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(Boston Herald)   125 students in Harvard "Introduction to Congress" class are under investigation for cheating and plagiarism; students face expulsion and lucrative patronage jobs if found guilty   (bostonherald.com) divider line 96
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2012-08-31 09:13:17 AM
Sounds like they are getting prepared and ready!
 
2012-08-31 09:14:54 AM
The plagiarists are just preparing for US Vice President jobs.
 
2012-08-31 09:15:24 AM
Take home final exams? I think I may have a solution.
 
2012-08-31 09:16:38 AM

The college's Administrative Board, a faculty panel that has been investigating the allegations of copying and sharing test answers for months, found a class with more than 250 take-home examinations given out at the end of the semester came under suspicion because answers were so similar.


Probably because they all copied-and-pasted from the same source.
 
2012-08-31 09:16:41 AM
Done in two.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:07 AM
So we raise an entire generation by pushing them to excel in school and measuring their progress constantly with No Child Left Behind testing and AP tests, take the upper crust and tell them they are at the best country in the world, and then are surprised that they are so concerned about quantitative measures of success that they cheat?

I'd be surprised if hey didn't cheat.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:23 AM
Why cheat at Harvard? Everybody gets an A anyway.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:34 AM
Silly Harvard. Rules don't apply to rich people.
 
2012-08-31 09:19:37 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Done in two.


This. They are almost ready to be captains of industry.
 
2012-08-31 09:19:59 AM
Cheating on a take-home exam? Color me shocked.

On a side note... most of the college students I have interacted with have little to zero comprehension of how to conduct research apart from wikipedia and google (not google scholar mind you, that'd be a step up) and do NOT understand why/how/when to cite a source.
 
2012-08-31 09:21:33 AM
img1.fark.net tag wishes it was relevant.
 
2012-08-31 09:26:46 AM
Clearly, objecting to lying and cheating shows that Harvard has a liberal bias.
 
2012-08-31 09:27:57 AM

The Muthaship: Why cheat at Harvard? Everybody gets an A anyway.


Sometimes you get an A-, because penmanship counts, dammit!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-31 09:28:55 AM

imontheinternet: Silly Harvard. Rules don't apply to rich people.

images.huffingtonpost.com
Agrees!
 
2012-08-31 09:31:10 AM
Nothing is more amerikan than cheating and lying.

We just got done killing half a million Iraqis over the WMDs lie.
 
2012-08-31 09:31:45 AM

ptr2void: imontheinternet: Silly Harvard. Rules don't apply to rich people.
[images.huffingtonpost.com image 260x190]
Agrees!


Cheating at Harvard. Another proud moment in Ted's storied legacy.
 
2012-08-31 09:33:45 AM
Done in two

( plagierized from HopScotchNSoda)
 
2012-08-31 09:35:40 AM
The name of the course was, "Introduction to Congress." How true.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:12 AM
These are Millenials. To them it isn't cheating, it's working in a group to reach consensus.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:23 AM
MEH.

Reminds me of a big cheating scandal at UMD, while I was there (not in Business Criminal School). Apparently, the business school had given BlackBerrys to its students, and then was surprised to learn that the students had used them to cheat on exams. Their friends (not in the class) would go online, find the answer keys the professors had posted (for some insane reason, they were posting them at the start of the test), and text them to the students in the class. That's why the university now has a "nothing on your desk/in view other than paper and pens/pencils (and maybe a calculator for math)" during exams - for everyone, not just the businesscheaters.

The course/exam these students were caught cheating on? Business Ethics.

// I assume many of them are now traders/traitors
 
2012-08-31 09:38:19 AM
Heh. Doesn't surprise me that it's Harvard, but it's everywhere.

CSB:

I have a pile of journal articles whose only common characteristic is a specific co-author, a Harvard professor: Each one has significant chunks of plagiarized material. I discovered the plagiarist after noticing an initial giant chunk of plagiarized material in a newly published article, on which that researcher was first author, as it had ripped off something to which I had contributed. For that one, I managed to get the journal to retract it and formally apologize. Annoyed, I dug up the researcher's history and googled away and found solid evidence of a long-standing consistent pattern of plagiarism. I can't decide if I want to send it somewhere and ruin the researcher's life (or, possibly worse, risk being appalled at an utter lack of response)... unfortunately, indecision and Life got in the way, so it's been a few years. Seems like the researcher's career hasn't gone anywhere, so it almost seems petty to piss on them, but anybody know anybody at Harvard who would actually give a shiat?

/ why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it
 
2012-08-31 09:41:47 AM
I work at another Ivy's graduate school. We had a huge blow-up here last semester with regards to cheating. There was a lot of huffing and puffing, but no one was ever punished, including the person that posted evidence of their cheating on the internets. Apparently $50K a year per student is more important than academic honesty.
 
2012-08-31 09:43:41 AM

HailRobonia: The Muthaship: Why cheat at Harvard? Everybody gets an A anyway.

Sometimes you get an A-, because penmanship counts, dammit!

[i.imgur.com image 159x220]


Doesn't everyone type now?
 
2012-08-31 09:43:52 AM

Dr Dreidel: MEH.

Reminds me of a big cheating scandal at UMD, while I was there (not in Business Criminal School). Apparently, the business school had given BlackBerrys to its students, and then was surprised to learn that the students had used them to cheat on exams. Their friends (not in the class) would go online, find the answer keys the professors had posted (for some insane reason, they were posting them at the start of the test), and text them to the students in the class. That's why the university now has a "nothing on your desk/in view other than paper and pens/pencils (and maybe a calculator for math)" during exams - for everyone, not just the businesscheaters.

The course/exam these students were caught cheating on? Business Ethics.

// I assume many of them are now traders/traitors


A business degree from the University of Maryland does not a Goldman-Sachs career make.
 
2012-08-31 09:51:55 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Dr Dreidel: MEH.

Reminds me of a big cheating scandal at UMD, while I was there (not in Business Criminal School). Apparently, the business school had given BlackBerrys to its students, and then was surprised to learn that the students had used them to cheat on exams. Their friends (not in the class) would go online, find the answer keys the professors had posted (for some insane reason, they were posting them at the start of the test), and text them to the students in the class. That's why the university now has a "nothing on your desk/in view other than paper and pens/pencils (and maybe a calculator for math)" during exams - for everyone, not just the businesscheaters.

The course/exam these students were caught cheating on? Business Ethics.

// I assume many of them are now traders/traitors

A business degree from the University of Maryland does not a Goldman-Sachs career make.


Yeah, thanks for clarifying. I didn't claim Lloyd Blankfein was in the class, I simply assume that many of the students in that class are now employed in the business world, and some in a particularly unscrupulous section of it.

I also don't have a particularly positive view of money-movers in general, so there was no small amount of piss-n-vinegar added to enhance the flavor.
 
2012-08-31 09:56:03 AM

SFSailor: Heh. Doesn't surprise me that it's Harvard, but it's everywhere.


CSB: As an undergrad, I had a Classics professor, who had taught Latin at a seminary school in Italy. On the first exam day, she handed out the tests, then left the room to get some coffee, figuring that she could trust a room full of almost-priests. When she came back, the entire class was cheating, and they weren't being even remotely subtle about it. They were getting out of their seats to walk around the room and compare answers. And, when she walked back in, they just kept right on cheating. They didn't give her a second glance or even acknowledge her presence. Cheating was just how things were done. Most, if not all, of those students are now priests. /CSB
 
2012-08-31 09:59:44 AM
These guys need to transfer to Arizona State. They'll be elected Engineering Student of the Year en masse.
 
2012-08-31 10:02:07 AM

SFSailor: / why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it


Me too. But maybe you should stand up for your principles and get this guy canned. As far as ruining his life, well he ruined his own life by stealing others' intellectual work.
 
2012-08-31 10:02:12 AM

Cinaed: Cheating on a take-home exam? Color me shocked.

On a side note... most of the college students I have interacted with have little to zero comprehension of how to conduct research apart from wikipedia and google (not google scholar mind you, that'd be a step up) and do NOT understand why/how/when to cite a source.


I went to a small college where take home exams were the normal beyond the big intro lectures, and, while cheating did sometimes happen, the classes were small enough, cheaters always got caught and expelled. I know because every semester an update was put in every student's mailbox with anonymized summaries of all the honor and disciplinary board cases. At a small school, anonymizing was a pointless endeavor, which was just a further disincentive.
 
2012-08-31 10:03:35 AM
Cheating happens all the tiime at all levels of education. From the parents doing the kid's homework in elementary school to cheating on exams at college.
I used to be an asssistant in high school, so I helped with grading tests. Some of the examples of cheating were so blatant, you would think that the cheaters needed a remedial course on how to cheat effectively. If you suddenly go from a D average to an A average on quizes in one week AND you have the exact same answer, word for word, as the best student in the class, then it's pretty obvious that you're cheating.
 
2012-08-31 10:04:34 AM
At least they don't have to eat their own spew to get preferment, like the kids at Dartmouth.
 
2012-08-31 10:05:02 AM

Mad Scientist: The plagiarists are just preparing for US Vice President jobs.


Biden went to the "other ivy", the University of Delaware.
Graduated 506th out of 688. He thought having a high number was good.
 
2012-08-31 10:06:41 AM
Done in two.

[Wantonly unattributed]
 
2012-08-31 10:06:49 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Harvard was replete with cheating. After all, you have to care about your grades first in order to put effort into cheating to improve them. In my high school, the Honors-track kids were by far the biggest cheaters. I would go as far as to say it was accepted that it would happen, even by some teachers. When I first went to college, I hit a bad patch, and never even considered cheating because I didn't give a crap about my grades, but honestly if I did care I probably would have cheated without hesitation.

When I was older I went back to college, but this time I didn't cheat because I found it unethical and pointless; I wanted to learn the material and produce good work. Our public school system in the USA teaches you nothing if not how to bullshiat your way through. In fact, the system more or less demands it of you. Ethics, desire, and an expectation of actual, non-BS work product are all things I had to learn after graduating.
 
2012-08-31 10:07:38 AM

bdub77: SFSailor: / why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it

Me too. But maybe you should stand up for your principles and get this guy canned. As far as ruining his life, well he ruined his own life by stealing others' intellectual work.


Or not vote for a ticket that has a plagiarist on it - it just makes it acceptable behavior.
 
2012-08-31 10:11:15 AM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Guess someone reached theese keeds 

/I plagiarized this image
 
2012-08-31 10:13:09 AM
TheDumbBlonde: A business degree from the University of Maryland does not a Goldman-Sachs career make.

Aye, but one of them owns the Washington Redskins. And regularly does things like selling stale peanuts at exorbitant prices to a captive crowd.
 
2012-08-31 10:15:47 AM

varmitydog: TheDumbBlonde: A business degree from the University of Maryland does not a Goldman-Sachs career make.

Aye, but one of them owns the Washington Redskins. And regularly does things like selling stale peanuts at exorbitant prices to a captive crowd.


OMG. How is he forcing those people to buy the peanuts?
How did he capture those people who apparently are helpless to not go to a game because the peanuts cost too much?

OMG. The monster.
 
2012-08-31 10:21:11 AM
CSB: Caught a couple cheats in CS1 when I was TAing in grad school. Gave them the lecture: please don't cheat again because 1) you're not very good at it and 2) I will have to fill out a lot of paperwork and kick this up to my boss who will then have to kick it up to the dean.

Yeah, they did it again, everybody had to fill out a lot of paperwork. They were kicked out.

/ Big 10 school
 
2012-08-31 10:27:09 AM

zetar: CSB: Caught a couple cheats in CS1 when I was TAing in grad school. Gave them the lecture: please don't cheat again because 1) you're not very good at it and 2) I will have to fill out a lot of paperwork and kick this up to my boss who will then have to kick it up to the dean.

Yeah, they did it again, everybody had to fill out a lot of paperwork. They were kicked out.

/ Big 10 school


My engineering instructor had a great way of weeding out cheats in the big primary engineering course. In the circuit design section, he would take a device and blow it's image way up. Then he'd insert the semester date, then shrink the image back down.

Everyone was required to turn in a file with that circuit imagery in it. So he would go through each data file, find the device, zoom in on it and bingo. Another cheat. Next. Got another one. Next.

He loved telling the little farks not only was he kicking them out of the college he was going to try to get them kicked out of the university. And he really enjoyed telling them that out in the main hallway so everyone could enjoy the show.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:08 AM

zetar: CSB: Caught a couple cheats in CS1 when I was TAing in grad school. Gave them the lecture: please don't cheat again because 1) you're not very good at it and 2) I will have to fill out a lot of paperwork and kick this up to my boss who will then have to kick it up to the dean.

Yeah, they did it again, everybody had to fill out a lot of paperwork. They were kicked out.

/ Big 10 school


Been there, done that, watched the student honor court assign 40 hours of community service (!)
 
2012-08-31 10:29:56 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: bdub77: SFSailor: / why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it

Me too. But maybe you should stand up for your principles and get this guy canned. As far as ruining his life, well he ruined his own life by stealing others' intellectual work.

Or not vote for a ticket that has a plagiarist on it - it just makes it acceptable behavior.


You're so cute, you know that? I'd happily take a plagiarist with no power over two liars with no vision.
 
2012-08-31 10:31:37 AM
I did my undergrad at a small school with a well-enforced and well-respected honor code. When I went off to grad school at a larger university, I was amazed to see whole conference rooms full of my classmates working on take-home exams as a group project.
 
2012-08-31 10:34:37 AM

SFSailor: Heh. Doesn't surprise me that it's Harvard, but it's everywhere.

CSB:

I have a pile of journal articles whose only common characteristic is a specific co-author, a Harvard professor: Each one has significant chunks of plagiarized material. I discovered the plagiarist after noticing an initial giant chunk of plagiarized material in a newly published article, on which that researcher was first author, as it had ripped off something to which I had contributed. For that one, I managed to get the journal to retract it and formally apologize. Annoyed, I dug up the researcher's history and googled away and found solid evidence of a long-standing consistent pattern of plagiarism. I can't decide if I want to send it somewhere and ruin the researcher's life (or, possibly worse, risk being appalled at an utter lack of response)... unfortunately, indecision and Life got in the way, so it's been a few years. Seems like the researcher's career hasn't gone anywhere, so it almost seems petty to piss on them, but anybody know anybody at Harvard who would actually give a shiat?

/ why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it


The growing trend of not caring about it? Are you kidding me?

I'm a co-author on a paper that's currently in review at a journal. Their first vetting of the manuscript, before it's even been sent out to reviewers, was a pass through this plagiarism-detection software, which flagged a section describing the model we used. We were sent a note right away that we had to cite properly or re-write in our own words. We then had to explain that a) we *had* cited properly, to older versions of the same model, and b) the phrases highlighted for similarity were like that because we were pointing out where model parameterizations had not been changed, kind of an important thing for our readers to know. And sorry, but it's idiotic to try to find new and creative ways of saying "quadratic upstream scheme." It's like being told that because "peanut butter and jelly" was once mentioned in another paper, using the same phrase again is plagiarism.

There is also the flap about self-plagiarism, which I think started out as trying to prevent authors from shingling papers, i.e., submitting substantially similar papers to different journals to boost their pub count - and that's fine. But the hysteria has extended to having so much as a "substantially similar" paragraph. C'mon, be real.
 
2012-08-31 10:38:49 AM

ph0rk: zetar: CSB: Caught a couple cheats in CS1 when I was TAing in grad school. Gave them the lecture: please don't cheat again because 1) you're not very good at it and 2) I will have to fill out a lot of paperwork and kick this up to my boss who will then have to kick it up to the dean.

Yeah, they did it again, everybody had to fill out a lot of paperwork. They were kicked out.

/ Big 10 school

Been there, done that, watched the student honor court assign 40 hours of community service (!)


No, these guys were expelled from the University. I also just remembered another case (also CS1) that involved a scholarship athlete. Loss of scholarship and kicked out into the cold, cruel world.
 
2012-08-31 10:42:51 AM
As for cheating in the classroom, yes, I could a couple of blatant examples (at another Ivy). One dropped out; the other said he was under treatment with a psychiatrist and then I wasn't allowed to participate in further discussions, though I note he wasn't kicked out of school.

From the students that didn't cheat, the near-hysteria over tenths of a point on assignments was ridiculous, given how little they seemed to care about what they handed in before the grade was given. And yes, I had formal complaints filed against me for alleged "discriminatory practices" that involved A vs. A- grades I gave out. If only they put the energy they used in complaining into the assignment in the first place...
 
2012-08-31 10:43:19 AM
Looking for Ted Kennedy. Leaving happy.
 
2012-08-31 10:43:47 AM

bdub77: tenpoundsofcheese: bdub77: SFSailor: / why, yes, plagiarism bugs the hell out of me, as does the growing trend of not caring about it

Me too. But maybe you should stand up for your principles and get this guy canned. As far as ruining his life, well he ruined his own life by stealing others' intellectual work.

Or not vote for a ticket that has a plagiarist on it - it just makes it acceptable behavior.

You're so cute, you know that? I'd happily take a plagiarist with no power over two liars with no vision.


Then you'll get the world you deserve.
 
2012-08-31 10:44:11 AM

MrBallou: Clearly, objecting to lying and cheating shows that Harvard has a liberal bias.


Right, because there aren't liars ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE!!1!!!
 
2012-08-31 10:49:44 AM
 
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