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2012-08-31 08:28:06 AM
Ulgh, repulsive, disgusting, abhorrent, odious, and any other word I can think of to describe the utter revulsion towards this man and his actions.
 
2012-08-31 08:45:54 AM
Thats hott.
 
2012-08-31 08:46:33 AM
Quarter to 9am and I already want to puke.
 
2012-08-31 08:46:49 AM
May his genitals run afoul of a sharpened mousetrap. Covered in salt. And angry bullet ants..
 
2012-08-31 08:47:29 AM
Sounds like bad internet porn.
 
2012-08-31 08:48:46 AM
"These are serious and disturbing offenses," Judge Bourke told the father, who is married with three daughters
Good. That's justice, right there.

Still, I wonder if the judge considered recusing himself.... naaaah.
 
2012-08-31 08:50:07 AM
At least the daughters are educated.
 
2012-08-31 08:51:16 AM
What really makes the case against the father is that he not only did all those incestuous things, but apparently also committed the acts to photos and/or video.

/Daddy's not going to jail, Daddy's going to BUTT SCHOOL!
 
2012-08-31 08:51:42 AM
Moral enforcement by government has its consequences: now that family loses their income and probably their house. They'll quite likely end up on welfare while their dad is in prison.

Isn't there some other way this could have been dealt with?

/devil's advocate
 
2012-08-31 08:51:52 AM
Was she hot?

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-08-31 08:56:39 AM
Everything I know about Czechoslovakia I learned from porn and from that I surmise it's a strange place sexually.
 
2012-08-31 08:58:03 AM
If ever you needed a mugshot...
 
2012-08-31 08:58:43 AM
Dang... Fark is the stuff of nightmares today. Penile fractures and now this....
 
2012-08-31 08:59:00 AM

palad: Moral enforcement by government has its consequences: now that family loses their income and probably their house. They'll quite likely end up on welfare while their dad is in prison.

Isn't there some other way this could have been dealt with?


Yes; the father could have refrained from sexually abusing his daughter.
 
2012-08-31 08:59:43 AM
All of Europe is a strange place sexually.

mytdawg: Everything I know about Czechoslovakia I learned from porn and from that I surmise it's a strange place sexually.

 
2012-08-31 09:00:30 AM

Another Government Employee: Sounds like bad internet porn.


Yeah, in the good internet porn is the MOM that teaches the daughter how to f*ck.
 
2012-08-31 09:04:42 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: All of Europe is a strange place sexually.

mytdawg: Everything I know about Czechoslovakia I learned from porn and from that I surmise it's a strange place sexually.


Family Guy agrees! (youtube, audio nsfw)
 
2012-08-31 09:04:43 AM

ZurkisPhreek: What really makes the case against the father is that he not only did all those incestuous things, but apparently also committed the acts to photos and/or video.


How else are you going to record nostalgic incestuous memories for future generations?
 
2012-08-31 09:07:53 AM

NutWrench: Smoky Dragon Dish: All of Europe is a strange place sexually.

mytdawg: Everything I know about Czechoslovakia I learned from porn and from that I surmise it's a strange place sexually.

Family Guy agrees! (youtube, audio nsfw)


That's where the rest of Europe goes when they want to get really freaky. I don't know if it's Thai lady boy freaky but it looks pretty close.
 
2012-08-31 09:08:25 AM
These are not the daddy issues I am looking for.
 
2012-08-31 09:12:32 AM
So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.
 
2012-08-31 09:13:45 AM

mister aj: So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.


Are you seriously trying to defend what this man has done?
 
2012-08-31 09:15:33 AM

Cythraul: mister aj: So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.

Are you seriously trying to defend what this man has done?

What is wrong with a victimless crime? There is no victim, just a court trying to tell a girl that she is a victim and actually traumatising her.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:06 AM
doh ur supposed to fark them when they are SINGLE DIGIT years old
not bloody 14
 
2012-08-31 09:20:15 AM
Interesting. How do you force someone who apparently actually believes they have done no wrong, to admit that they have?

What is apparently also unique is that the family agrees with him. They don't appear to be horrified.

Many, many decades ago, I'd occasionally hear stories about incestuous families but put them down to rumors. Then, a quite famous Sci-fi writer wrote a story about an incestuous family and later followed it up with a chain of books dealing with a long lived, extended group of people who practiced incest. (Methuselah's Children. The Cat who walked through walls.)

His books, back then. Sold very well and he obtained several awards. Today, I suspect, if he wrote such stories, all hell would break loose.

BTW, I have, in my long career, come across both the 'Oedipus' and 'Electra' complex. (The ever popular MILF porn is kind of an example of both. However, I have been aware of situations where a daughter actively competes with the Mom for Dad's favors. That's the Electra complex.)

The latter is rare. It's even more rare for the Dad to feed into it.

It's usually the Mom who spots it first and has to point out to Dad where it's headed.
 
2012-08-31 09:21:25 AM
Did they talk to her boyfriend? Did it work?
 
2012-08-31 09:23:34 AM
Holy wow that is all kinds of f-d up.
 
2012-08-31 09:25:33 AM
Isn't incest what led to those famous "blue" people in WV or whatever that was all over the net a few months ago?
 
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2012-08-31 09:27:29 AM
I won't know how angry I am about this until I see a picture of said teenage daughter.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:14 AM
"The victim told police she initially believed the sexual "education" provided by her father was part of a normal father-daughter relationship"

This right here? At 14, you should know better. Please don't procreate.

Not saying the father isn't a completely vile human being, but the daughter A. Shouldn't have gone to her DAD for sex advice, and B. should have told someone sooner. The amount of mental warping in this story makes me really sad.
 
2012-08-31 09:30:46 AM
Hang on, I've read this story before. Next the mom comes in an...hang on, someone's at the door.
 
2012-08-31 09:33:55 AM
The Aristocrats!
 
2012-08-31 09:36:05 AM

special20: "These are serious and disturbing offenses," Judge Bourke told the father, who is married with three daughters
Good. That's justice, right there.

Still, I wonder if the judge considered recusing himself.... naaaah.


Why would the judge recuse himself merely because the defendant has three daughters?
 
2012-08-31 09:38:31 AM

mister aj: Cythraul: mister aj: So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.

Are you seriously trying to defend what this man has done?
What is wrong with a victimless crime? There is no victim, just a court trying to tell a girl that she is a victim and actually traumatising her.


As someone who's father did basically the same thing to my sister and myself as the article describes I can in seriousness say it has farked us up in the head. If we were in court we probably would have said the same thing. In that situation where physical and sexual abuse is rampant you shut down mentally and literally just try to survive. She probably made a weighted decision if I say something and he is innocent my life will be far worse.
 
2012-08-31 09:47:20 AM

palad: Moral enforcement by government has its consequences: now that family loses their income and probably their house. They'll quite likely end up on welfare while their dad is in prison.

Isn't there some other way this could have been dealt with?

/devil's advocate


Okay I could go the squicky outrage route, but instead I'll try going to try a different tactic and try to think of this based on the limited information we have from the article. The article states that that the sex was consensual. Also that all immediate family members and two of the three daughters also provided character defense of the father. They also throw in questionable information stating that he was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia (what is that suppose to make me believe that Czech's do not know that they aren't suppose to be having sex with their daughters?).

Again, based on the limited information provided we have to assume that he wasn't violent and that other people in the family knew what was happening. If the girl didn't think anything negative of it to the point that she didn't mind sharing the information with friends, I'd find it difficult to believe that she didn't let her sisters or Mother know.

Thinking along your line of devil's advocate, there really isn't much recourse you can have in that type of situation in a society governed by morals. No one in that family had been educated on the dangers of having sex with your children. Genetic defects and diseases that are more common when similar blood types are mixed are the scientific reasons behind preventing incest even without the religious based moral reasons.

You would have to separate the father from that family. If none of the family felt it was wrong, even if you acquitted him based on character testimony and you assume that the reasons aren't strictly financial that they want to keep him around, there is little chance that they would then just turn around and say "Okay, we'll stop having sex now". Also there's the small problem of where the family would be able to live. Don't think that the daughter would be able to continue going to her same school. Everyone there knows about what happened. She would certainly be an outcast from a social perspective. If he stayed around that would also invite retaliation from neighboring families and school members who may hold a more religious point of view.

There lives already were ruined the moment society found out about their situation and short of moving to a new location where no one knew them, there is no way they could have lived as they had before.

So I'll give some advice (again I'm not going the outrage route and trying to think of this in a rational manner)

1. If you are a girl, ask your mom for sex advice not your dad.
2. Take the practical exam with your boyfriend not your dad.
3. Honestly at the age of 14, you shouldn't even be encouraging you daughter to have sex with her boyfriend or anyone else. It's not the 1600s and she doesn't need to have 40plus kids to insure a few survive. Tell her to wait until she's 18. I know parts of the old Czechoslovakia were a bit down trodden so historical family values of having large families were (and may still be) the norm, but you live in Australia now. Have the large family with your wife and let your daughter have a large family with her boyfriend without your interference.
4. Again, keep all of your advice verbal. You don't need to show her how. This sounds like a family that would invite the boyfriend in then tell him he's doing it wrong as they are overseeing him having sex with their daughter.

The only reason why I could see him being this way would be if he grew up without a family. Normally just the growing up inside of a family is enough to instill inside of you the feeling that they are not the people to have sex with (not even going to start the wife jokes). Society generally re-enforces those beliefs. Unfortunately there is not enough information to draw that type of conclusion. Not that it would matter in the public eye.

Is imprisonment too harsh if every thing was consensual? Maybe, but there aren't stipulations in society to state that you can have sex with whomever you please as long as they agree. Especially if the person in question is in a position where they can be easily influenced by you. It's one of the safeguards of society to protect people who don't know any better or are incapable of terminating the relationship on their own. (mentally handicap, children, students, employees, subordinates, etc)

Feel free to flame on. I still get a squicky feeling even when trying to think logically about it, so I can't blame anyone else for lashing out in response to what I've typed.
 
2012-08-31 09:51:50 AM

mister aj: What is wrong with a victimless crime? There is no victim, just a court trying to tell a girl that she is a victim and actually traumatising her.


I know this is a troll, but it bears refuting anyway.

The funny thing about abuse is that no one wants to believe they're being abused. It's part of the conditioning. It's also part of our own pride. It is a HUGE leap for someone to admit they they were a victim and one that often takes years and some pretty dire situations to bring about. You have to be able to get outside your own head.
 
2012-08-31 10:05:51 AM
"...and had no insight into the evil of his offending."

Only 5.5 years? Do they have some kind of effective plan to keep him from re-offending? I find it hard to believe he blossomed into a full out incestuous pedophile overnight. There are probably other victims and an established pattern of behavior.

Also: prison rape, the only kind of rape that's still funny.
 
2012-08-31 10:08:29 AM
The father sounds like a wild and crazy guy....
 
2012-08-31 10:10:19 AM
I feel like the first two posts in this thread sum up the entire Fark experience.
 
2012-08-31 10:11:44 AM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Also: prison rape, the only kind of rape that's still funny.


As long as it's legitimate prison rape, the male body has a way of shutting that whole thing down.
 
2012-08-31 10:12:43 AM
No one in the family wanted him jailed. Not even the victim. Hell, if you read to the bottom the daughter begged for it. He is not evil, just stupid and weak.
 
2012-08-31 10:15:32 AM

Yakk: Quarter to 9am and I already want to puke.


If the Chocolate Eclair Hot Dog story had not already made me want to hurl this would would have sent me over the edge.
 
2012-08-31 10:21:15 AM

mister aj: So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.


I nearly dated a girl who I later found out (we still talked until recently) started going about without panties when she was 13 and flashing her father a lot. It took her over a decade but some time a couple years after I met her she got him to start banging her.

I don't trust women. They're sexually aggressive like hell.

Also her dad is really strange. For other reasons. Like one of those uncontrolled hypersexual type guys strange, the kind of guy that seems drunk or high whenever his dick gets hard. Does testosterone really affect men that much?

That said, these such things are always better as footnotes for the general case, rather than analogs to specific cases. Specific cases are really impossible to know. The "Victim" in this case could be another one, could have instigated it; or she could have been groomed growing up, or just very impressionable and took to it. I'm just sayin', stuff like that happens.

However, this guy's guilty of a crime, obviously. An amusing and interesting sociological and psychological study, but a crime still.
 
2012-08-31 10:22:44 AM
Boyfriend: "Wow, that was great! Where'd you learn to do that thing with your tongue?"

Girl: "My Dad taught me."

That's a boner-killer!
 
2012-08-31 10:29:15 AM

Rik01:
BTW, I have, in my long career, come across both the 'Oedipus' and 'Electra' complex. (The ever popular MILF porn is kind of an example of both. However, I have been aware of situations where a daughter actively competes with the Mom for Dad's favors. That's the Electra complex.)

The latter is rare. It's even more rare for the Dad to feed into it.


Every girl that's liked me has had a habit of calling me daddy when they get flirty. When pressed they start talking about how their daddy always made them feel safe, or something inane. While swooning. One actually said straight up she wanted to blow him, and wound up banging him eventually.

Every girl that's liked me has had a huge, huge Electra complex. This shiat isn't rare; this shiat is shiat we don't talk about because it gets you arrested or hanged, or because you have a hot girlfriend and you don't want people to think you're weird because SHE'S weird.

I have never actually dated. I've never had a girlfriend. I've been doted on and even straight up asked out, but always refused. It's not 'cause I can't take the weird ones; I hate my parents and try to not have contact with my family at all, but I think I can still claim more high strangeness than these girls. I just don't get the whole relationship thing, it's not a thing that appeals to me, it looks like a lot of work and a lot of hoops to jump through just to have sex, which seems mostly illusionary and dishonest so I don't do it.
 
2012-08-31 10:48:07 AM

mister aj: Cythraul: mister aj: So the victim didn't want him to be prosecuted, happily went along with it for three years, and "did not recognise the effect her father's offending had had on her"? Instead she's just having society tell her that she ought to be traumatised by consensual sex because it happened before a magical age, or else she's not a proper victim. Great.

Are you seriously trying to defend what this man has done?
What is wrong with a victimless crime? There is no victim, just a court trying to tell a girl that she is a victim and actually traumatising her.


up-ship.com
 
2012-08-31 10:48:51 AM

degenerate-afro: I still get a squicky feeling even when trying to think logically about it


See I don't.

Then again, I have trouble recognizing sex as anything beyond a mechanical action. I'm learning though... enough subtle suggestion maybe. Oral sex works, holy hell girls are better with their mouths than other parts. I haven't gotten enough vaj I guess, it's still mostly academic to me... it's a different feeling, actually not particularly great, there's a muscle in there that squeezes but nothing really amazing. It's actually a pretty static passage and the potential variance is minimal... just thrust thrust thrust... nothing really exciting going on.

I suspect anal would be the same way. Except maybe grosser.

Maybe that's my problem: it takes some heavy shiat to really get me going, but it has to be not weird and disturbing and gross. I just need enough mental pressure to break the logic functions of my brain.

Still, the whole teenager/incest/etc thing just looks to me like anything else. Two people male/female or male/male (I tend to ignore the female/female thing, it's strange and confusing--male/male isn't really great but how the hell are two women supposed to go at it in the first place? Where the hell's the penetration? Derp? Infinite foreplay and eternal sexual frustration?). Moving body parts. Odd ... fluids ... going everywhere.

Looks kind of the same as when the neighbors do it.

Small children are a different ballgame. Their bodies are vastly different. Something not quite right there. Though, I can still kind of shrug that off and make a huge analysis about how small children are too impressionable, not physically developed enough, etc., for any of that to make sense, and also of course the impressionable thing makes this bad for development. It's very easy to argue that sexual behavior shouldn't start before puberty--you know, sexual development, when they start becoming sexual anyway?

Arguments that sexual behavior should start later are similarly easy--not so air tight of course, but we can bank on social responsibility and workforce readiness and life experience and, of course, the impressionability of the still-volatile (but not quite as much) young mind (though at that stage there's a stronger argument that sexual behavior between peers is not harmful or less harmful, and sexual behavior between developing teenagers and adults is more harmful or very harmful). Arguments that sexual behavior can start earlier are ... really hard to make. I mean every sensible argument would account for mental development during puberty, which would quickly shoot down the idea that young children should be exposed to sex. Your argument would have to center around Xenu or something.

It's a bunch of machines to me. They work a certain way. There's variation of course, I can accept that; the general case is interesting though. Still, from my perspective, when you start babbling about things like "Incest causes broken babies" I don't see the "EUUUUGHHHH!!!!" reaction; I see "input leads to aberrant behavior, avoid this". Action X has bad consequences, try not to do X because Bad shiat(TM) happens. Be advised that Action X looks a lot like Action Y and Action Y is VERY awesome; please verify the sources of your input.
 
2012-08-31 10:59:59 AM

degenerate-afro: Is imprisonment too harsh if every thing was consensual? Maybe, but there aren't stipulations in society to state that you can have sex with whomever you please as long as they agree. Especially if the person in question is in a position where they can be easily influenced by you. It's one of the safeguards of society to protect people who don't know any better or are incapable of terminating the relationship on their own. (mentally handicap, children, students, employees, subordinates, etc)


For good reason. I read once that one of the Philips girls (from the music-industry family) had an adult consensual sexual relationship with her dad, who was also her coke supplier at the time. Even though she had no objection, it's awfully hard to call that situation freely-given consent.
 
2012-08-31 11:00:48 AM

bluefoxicy: degenerate-afro: I still get a squicky feeling even when trying to think logically about it

See I don't.

Then again, I have trouble recognizing sex as anything beyond a mechanical action. I'm learning though... enough subtle suggestion maybe. Oral sex works, holy hell girls are better with their mouths than other parts. I haven't gotten enough vaj I guess, it's still mostly academic to me... it's a different feeling, actually not particularly great, there's a muscle in there that squeezes but nothing really amazing. It's actually a pretty static passage and the potential variance is minimal... just thrust thrust thrust... nothing really exciting going on.

I suspect anal would be the same way. Except maybe grosser.

Maybe that's my problem: it takes some heavy shiat to really get me going, but it has to be not weird and disturbing and gross. I just need enough mental pressure to break the logic functions of my brain.

Still, the whole teenager/incest/etc thing just looks to me like anything else. Two people male/female or male/male (I tend to ignore the female/female thing, it's strange and confusing--male/male isn't really great but how the hell are two women supposed to go at it in the first place? Where the hell's the penetration? Derp? Infinite foreplay and eternal sexual frustration?). Moving body parts. Odd ... fluids ... going everywhere.

Looks kind of the same as when the neighbors do it.

Small children are a different ballgame. Their bodies are vastly different. Something not quite right there. Though, I can still kind of shrug that off and make a huge analysis about how small children are too impressionable, not physically developed enough, etc., for any of that to make sense, and also of course the impressionable thing makes this bad for development. It's very easy to argue that sexual behavior shouldn't start before puberty--you know, sexual development, when they start becoming sexual anyway?

Arguments that sexual behavior should s ...


Don't worry buddy, your Clarice Starling is out there somewhere.
 
2012-08-31 11:07:16 AM

bluefoxicy: degenerate-afro: I still get a squicky feeling even when trying to think logically about it

See I don't.

Then again, I have trouble recognizing sex as anything beyond a mechanical action. I'm learning though... enough subtle suggestion maybe. Oral sex works, holy hell girls are better with their mouths than other parts. I haven't gotten enough vaj I guess, it's still mostly academic to me... it's a different feeling, actually not particularly great, there's a muscle in there that squeezes but nothing really amazing. It's actually a pretty static passage and the potential variance is minimal... just thrust thrust thrust... nothing really exciting going on.

I suspect anal would be the same way. Except maybe grosser.

Maybe that's my problem: it takes some heavy shiat to really get me going, but it has to be not weird and disturbing and gross. I just need enough mental pressure to break the logic functions of my brain.

Still, the whole teenager/incest/etc thing just looks to me like anything else. Two people male/female or male/male (I tend to ignore the female/female thing, it's strange and confusing--male/male isn't really great but how the hell are two women supposed to go at it in the first place? Where the hell's the penetration? Derp? Infinite foreplay and eternal sexual frustration?). Moving body parts. Odd ... fluids ... going everywhere.

Looks kind of the same as when the neighbors do it.

Small children are a different ballgame. Their bodies are vastly different. Something not quite right there. Though, I can still kind of shrug that off and make a huge analysis about how small children are too impressionable, not physically developed enough, etc., for any of that to make sense, and also of course the impressionable thing makes this bad for development. It's very easy to argue that sexual behavior shouldn't start before puberty--you know, sexual development, when they start becoming sexual anyway?

Arguments that sexual behavior should s ...


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