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(Daily Mail)   Despite excellent grades and references, and acceptance and scholarships to several other schools, one of the graduate schools that Aurora theater shooter applied to responded with "not only no, but HELL no"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 105
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2012-08-31 08:32:05 AM  
Sometimes you just get a vibe.
 
2012-08-31 09:07:38 AM  
So I take it for neuroscience you visit the program first to interview before acceptance? Guess he freaked someone out.

Also, just wondering, does anyone know if the "significant scholarships" are really research stipends or what? I always thought neuroscience was like the other sciences where you get paid to go rather than the other way around.

/just curious
 
2012-08-31 10:12:55 AM  
Dysphoric mania. Good lord.
 
2012-08-31 10:18:09 AM  
And now, with breaking news from the Hindsight Academy, we take you live to the scene of yet another person who "knew all along" but somehow managed to say nothing.
 
2012-08-31 10:18:10 AM  
...not uncommon in patients with bipolar disorder

Link
 
2012-08-31 10:19:21 AM  
Well, he doesn't look like he would have fit in well in Iowa.
 
2012-08-31 10:25:34 AM  
Too much space between targets?
 
2012-08-31 10:25:58 AM  

Flakeloaf: And now, with breaking news from the Hindsight Academy, we take you live to the scene of yet another person who "knew all along" but somehow managed to say nothing.


Are you saying U of Iowa should have somehow alerted authorities that Holmes was going to go on a murderous rampage based on their feeling that he was absolutely not a good fit for their doctoral program?
 
2012-08-31 10:28:34 AM  
i466.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-31 10:31:05 AM  

Andromeda: So I take it for neuroscience you visit the program first to interview before acceptance? Guess he freaked someone out.

Also, just wondering, does anyone know if the "significant scholarships" are really research stipends or what? I always thought neuroscience was like the other sciences where you get paid to go rather than the other way around.

/just curious



Got my doctorate at Iowa (different department, though). Yes to the interview before acceptance. Scholarships = free money (more or less). This is different than a graduate or research assitantship where you work (either teaching or doing work for a prof). Usually you get both unless you're rich.
 
2012-08-31 10:33:00 AM  
I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.
 
2012-08-31 10:36:24 AM  

lantawa: [i466.photobucket.com image 403x403]


"So how do you plea?"

"Mee mee mee mee..."

"Guilty? I thought so!"
 
2012-08-31 10:38:09 AM  

Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.


The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry.
 
2012-08-31 10:41:41 AM  
So...ummm....question....he killed 12, but is charged with 24 counts of murder...someone got the legal math on that? I was under the assumption it was a equal exchange of bodies for counts. Im serious, Id be interested to know the legal logic behind that.

Not saying the guy doesnt deserve anything they can nail him with...I just found it odd they seem to be charging him twice for each kill.
 
2012-08-31 10:42:50 AM  
Police were first alerted to Holmes' behavior six weeks before the shootings when he made unspecified threats to a professor six weeks before the shootings - around the time he failed his year-end final exam.

Wouldn't this be a good time to check if said individual has a stash of deadly weapons?
 
2012-08-31 10:44:54 AM  

Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.


Send him to Arkham. I hear they do very well with that sort of thing.
 
2012-08-31 10:45:39 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: So...ummm....question....he killed 12, but is charged with 24 counts of murder...someone got the legal math on that? I was under the assumption it was a equal exchange of bodies for counts. Im serious, Id be interested to know the legal logic behind that.

Not saying the guy doesnt deserve anything they can nail him with...I just found it odd they seem to be charging him twice for each kill.


Double tap.
 
Ehh
2012-08-31 10:47:45 AM  
He got the "hell no" rejection from a campus he visited. Somebody got the crazy vibe.
 
2012-08-31 10:47:46 AM  
Emotion: Ashley Deuell, 18, kneels Tebows next to a cross and family photo of Cowden, a friend of her family, who was killed in the movie theater massacre

FTFThem.

/punches his ticket
 
2012-08-31 10:49:24 AM  
I wonder if the guy I saw in WalMart last week with the bright orange hair and Batman tshirt is going to have any trouble getting into college. 

/A true WTF? moment.
 
2012-08-31 10:50:00 AM  

aseras: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.

The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry.


Oh man, you're so cool and hardcore! You should come to my birthday party.
 
2012-08-31 10:54:28 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: So...ummm....question....he killed 12, but is charged with 24 counts of murder...someone got the legal math on that? I was under the assumption it was a equal exchange of bodies for counts. Im serious, Id be interested to know the legal logic behind that.

Not saying the guy doesnt deserve anything they can nail him with...I just found it odd they seem to be charging him twice for each kill.


Wapo: 'One of each pair of murder counts is for acting with deliberation and intent, the other for displaying "an extreme indifference to the value of human life." '
 
2012-08-31 10:54:40 AM  
This is a very bright and disturbed individual. His crime is unique though the path of his illness is quite common. We should work with this guy to try to understand how this happened, it might give us better insight into these types of psychological disturbances.


"The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry."

These ITG revenge fantasies however reflect the type of thinking that Holmes put into action and should be very disturbing to intelligent members of our society.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:24 AM  
It probably had something to do with the purple hair and the "I kill kittens bat shiat crazy" eyes. That combination doesn't recommend one to neuroscientists.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:38 AM  

aseras: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.

The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry.


I've thought for a long time that the state shouldn't be involved in putting criminals to death. I think letting the family or families of the victims fits better with the revenge aspect of capital punishment. If the family wants him dead, let the family execute the sentence. Personally.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:51 AM  

aseras: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.

The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry.


Even in a maximum security facility there is a risk, especially given his intelligence level combined with his instability, that he will escape and hurt someone else. So, I can understand this sentiment.
 
2012-08-31 10:57:35 AM  

Fano: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.

Send him to Arkham. I hear they do very well with that sort of thing.


What is Arkham? Is it like the Binion building?
 
2012-08-31 10:58:09 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: So...ummm....question....he killed 12, but is charged with 24 counts of murder...someone got the legal math on that? I was under the assumption it was a equal exchange of bodies for counts. Im serious, Id be interested to know the legal logic behind that.

Not saying the guy doesnt deserve anything they can nail him with...I just found it odd they seem to be charging him twice for each kill.


Something about how murder and murder with a deadly weapon can be seperate charges. It makes sense to the lawyers in our legal system.
 
2012-08-31 10:58:46 AM  

browntimmy: Police were first alerted to Holmes' behavior six weeks before the shootings when he made unspecified threats to a professor six weeks before the shootings - around the time he failed his year-end final exam.

Wouldn't this be a good time to check if said individual has a stash of deadly weapons?


4th Amendment. How does it work?
 
2012-08-31 10:59:19 AM  

zarberg: Flakeloaf: And now, with breaking news from the Hindsight Academy, we take you live to the scene of yet another person who "knew all along" but somehow managed to say nothing.

Are you saying U of Iowa should have somehow alerted authorities that Holmes was going to go on a murderous rampage based on their feeling that he was absolutely not a good fit for their doctoral program?


No, I'm saying it's really easy to get on TV with a story about how you knew that boy just wasn't right after he'd gone and shot a bunch of people.

But while we're here, sure, let's go ahead and suggest that someone who knew he had dysphoric mania and didn't think his treatment was working probably should've told somebody.
 
2012-08-31 10:59:31 AM  
At least we're back to "Aurora Shooter" now, rather than "Sideshow Bob".

/stop raping my childhood
//next you'll be calling MItt Romney "Optimus Prime"
 
2012-08-31 11:01:04 AM  
The University of Iowa has had experience with crazy spree killers

Link
 
2012-08-31 11:02:54 AM  
I am pretty sure a member of my family has suffered from dysphoric mania from time to time, and holy fark, it can be scary. That was the time of the 8 suicide attempts in 8 weeks. Horrible, scary stuff. Luckily, we haven't had an episode of that for 3 years now and I am almost ready to trust that it may not happen again.
 
2012-08-31 11:03:54 AM  

obamadidcoke: These ITG revenge fantasies however reflect the type of thinking that Holmes put into action and should be very disturbing to intelligent members of our society.


Well said. 

/might be better with a comma or two.
 
2012-08-31 11:05:26 AM  
I love the clown hair
 
2012-08-31 11:06:16 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: that.

Not saying the guy doesnt deserve anything they can nail him with...I just found it odd they seem to be charging him twice for each kill.

Wapo: 'One of each pair of murder counts is for acting with deliberation and intent, the other for displaying "an extreme indifference to the value of human life." '



So none of the charges are for actually shooting people?
 
2012-08-31 11:06:41 AM  

Elegy: At least we're back to "Aurora Shooter" now, rather than "Sideshow Bob".

/stop raping my childhood
//next you'll be calling MItt Romney "Optimus Prime"


Nope, that's Obama.
postercabaret.com 

/Not a political comment at all, just thought of the poster when you said that
 
2012-08-31 11:09:24 AM  

Ned Stark: aseras: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him literature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.

The easiest way he could contribute is for them to chain him to a chair and let the victims families in with all the blunt objects they can carry.

Oh man, you're so cool and hardcore! You should come to my birthday party.


Well it is a new and interesting take on the concept of the pinata.
 
2012-08-31 11:10:10 AM  

Silly Jesus: browntimmy: Police were first alerted to Holmes' behavior six weeks before the shootings when he made unspecified threats to a professor six weeks before the shootings - around the time he failed his year-end final exam.

Wouldn't this be a good time to check if said individual has a stash of deadly weapons?

4th Amendment. How does it work?


Seems like threatening someone bad enough that they went to the police is a pretty good reason to do a little searchin' and seizin'.
 
2012-08-31 11:12:56 AM  

Flakeloaf: And now, with breaking news from the Hindsight Academy, we take you live to the scene of yet another person who "knew all along" but somehow managed to say nothing.


Psychology is, in many ways, an art, as is anything that deal with the human mind on anything but a mechanical level. It's entirely possible for the faculty to be certain that the dhooter was a psychopth or sociopath or some other -path, but not be able to prove it, or even convincingly articulate it to someone outside the field.
 
2012-08-31 11:14:26 AM  
26.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-31 11:14:51 AM  

Flakeloaf: zarberg: Flakeloaf: And now, with breaking news from the Hindsight Academy, we take you live to the scene of yet another person who "knew all along" but somehow managed to say nothing.

Are you saying U of Iowa should have somehow alerted authorities that Holmes was going to go on a murderous rampage based on their feeling that he was absolutely not a good fit for their doctoral program?

No, I'm saying it's really easy to get on TV with a story about how you knew that boy just wasn't right after he'd gone and shot a bunch of people.


Ok, I can see that, you're basically calling U of Iowa somewhat attention whoreish.

But while we're here, sure, let's go ahead and suggest that someone who knew he had dysphoric mania and didn't think his treatment was working probably should've told somebody.

Didn't his psychiatrist tell the police, or am I once again missing something?

/I'm not too bright.
 
2012-08-31 11:17:56 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: 24


He gets one count for shooting the person and one count for when they actually die.

Either that or the prosecutors just want to pad their record by adding 24 murder convictions to it.
 
2012-08-31 11:26:02 AM  
Until we get a whole hell of a lot better at treating the mentally ill in our society, this sort of thing will continue to happen.

Oh look, another one.

It is in society's best interest to give the mentally ill, all of them, the very best treatment we are able to give. Because their mental illness does not affect just them.
 
2012-08-31 11:27:09 AM  
HELL to the NO!!!
 
2012-08-31 11:28:52 AM  

Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him lentiterature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.



Not so much, he has to kill enough people to the nazi levels of genocide and apply to be readmitted in society under operation paperclip.

/ Things the US did in the past - dayum.
 
2012-08-31 11:29:11 AM  

browntimmy: Silly Jesus: browntimmy: Police were first alerted to Holmes' behavior six weeks before the shootings when he made unspecified threats to a professor six weeks before the shootings - around the time he failed his year-end final exam.

Wouldn't this be a good time to check if said individual has a stash of deadly weapons?

4th Amendment. How does it work?

Seems like threatening someone bad enough that they went to the police is a pretty good reason to do a little searchin' and seizin'.


Fortunately you weren't in charge of establishing our laws.
 
2012-08-31 11:31:03 AM  

CrispFlows: Lunaville: I know it won't happen, but it would be nice if the unit for the criminally insane, where he is likely to be interred, would provide him lentiterature and materials so that he could pursue research of some sort from within the confines of a safe, strictly supervised space. With medication and the blessing of enough stable days, he might yet contribute something useful to society.

I know, it's an impossible fantasy on so many levels.


Not so much, he has to kill enough people to the nazi levels of genocide and apply to be readmitted in society under operation paperclip.

/ Things the US did in the past - dayum.


eek. Perhaps I should reconsider my well-meaning, but possibly misguided, proposal.
 
2012-08-31 11:33:00 AM  

zarberg:
No, I'm saying it's really easy to get on TV with a story about how you knew that boy just wasn't right after he'd gone and shot a bunch of people.

Ok, I can see that, you're basically calling U of Iowa somewhat attention whoreish.


Ding.


Didn't his psychiatrist tell the police, or am I once again missing something?

/I'm not too bright.

Yeah I claim no great intimacy with this case either, being a whole country away from it. My impression was that the school he'd applied to talked to him, found him gravely unbalanced and cut him loose without perhaps buzzing something in the ear of someone a bit closer to him. But who knows, maybe they did. It's not like I was in the room with them.

 
2012-08-31 11:34:35 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Kind of tasteless to 'Tebow' at the memorial.
 
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