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(Gadsden Times)   Alabama town has 130% voter turnout. It would have been 160%, but they caught several hundred people voting twice   (gadsdentimes.com) divider line 162
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2012-08-31 08:43:45 AM  
because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals
 
2012-08-31 08:50:10 AM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.
 
2012-08-31 09:01:16 AM  
Maybe they had 2 IDs?
One for Willaim and one for Robert if your name is Billy-Bob.
 
2012-08-31 09:26:49 AM  
I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.
 
2012-08-31 09:33:05 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.


Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.
 
2012-08-31 09:38:56 AM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.
 
2012-08-31 09:48:12 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.


They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.
 
2012-08-31 09:58:31 AM  
Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?

And no, 130% did not vote, 81% did, the 130% is the number of registered voters in relation to the last census which has a habit of under counting minorities. The high voter turnout is suspicious which is why they're looking into it but let's all jump to conclusions!
 
2012-08-31 10:07:10 AM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU. All of the recent voting overhauls have been partisan attempts orchestrated by ALEC to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voting blocks. The GOP is so insane at this point in history that I don't trust their attempts to modernize the process. Maybe later when they're less demonstrably uncompromising. Voting is too important.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 10:11:37 AM  

Lumpmoose: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU. All of the recent voting overhauls have been partisan attempts orchestrated by ALEC to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voting blocks. The GOP is so insane at this point in history that I don't trust their attempts to modernize the process. Maybe later when they're less demonstrably uncompromising. Voting is too important.


Nonsense, they haven't all be orchestrated by ALEC, there are plenty of other right wing groups pushing disenfranchisement schemes.
 
2012-08-31 10:12:52 AM  
How convenient that when the federal courts kill two Republican voter id laws that suddenly a "massive" voter fraud surge (in Alabama of all places) suddenly occurs.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 10:14:06 AM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


Considering that wing nuts like O'keefe have tried to prove it is easy to get away with and gotten caught?
 
2012-08-31 10:16:25 AM  

vpb: Lumpmoose: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU. All of the recent voting overhauls have been partisan attempts orchestrated by ALEC to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voting blocks. The GOP is so insane at this point in history that I don't trust their attempts to modernize the process. Maybe later when they're less demonstrably uncompromising. Voting is too important.

Nonsense, they haven't all be orchestrated by ALEC, there are plenty of other right wing groups pushing disenfranchisement schemes.


Yeah, but is there an instance where the bill itself was not influenced or written by ALEC?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 10:17:57 AM  

CommieTaoist: Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?



No, it refers to the soil, and most of the voters in the town are black so they would have changed the name of the city if they had a problem with it.
 
2012-08-31 10:25:26 AM  
Would this even be a story if the town were predominately white and Republican? I ask merely for information.
 
2012-08-31 10:52:51 AM  

EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


They didn't catch sh*t. It's all explained in the post below yours. Go put on dry pants, ya big baby.
 
2012-08-31 11:03:38 AM  
wow, never saw envirodude post more than once in a thread! disenfranchising people must be very important to him
 
2012-08-31 11:11:42 AM  
In other news, the AG's name is Luthor Strange. That's all kinds of awesome right there.
 
2012-08-31 11:20:40 AM  
FTFA: Most of its population is black and votes Democratic.

Ah. I see the problem here.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 11:22:17 AM  

Headso: wow, never saw envirodude post more than once in a thread! disenfranchising people must be very important to him


November is looming.

i185.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-31 11:23:41 AM  

vpb: CommieTaoist: Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?



No, it refers to the soil, and most of the voters in the town are black so they would have changed the name of the city if they had a problem with it.


I thought it was because everyone was Kung Fu fighting.
 
2012-08-31 11:25:08 AM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


You didn't read the entire article. Allow me to summarize it for you: OMG! Black people are registering to vote! Run for your lives! Abandon the women and children! Every man for himself! Repeat: black people are registering to vote!

I've saved you some time and increased the efficiency of your day. You're welcome.
 
2012-08-31 11:25:40 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: vpb: CommieTaoist: Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?



No, it refers to the soil, and most of the voters in the town are black so they would have changed the name of the city if they had a problem with it.

I thought it was because everyone was Kung Fu fighting.


Those cats were fast as lightning...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-31 11:26:03 AM  
That was a four page article that didn't have one comment from a Democratic politician.
 
2012-08-31 11:27:07 AM  

EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.
 
2012-08-31 11:28:03 AM  

cmunic8r99: I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.

Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.


Wow someone read the article. Let's see how much Derp about how IDs would have prevented this continues.
 
2012-08-31 11:28:13 AM  

Ennuipoet: Would this even be a story if the town were predominately white and Republican? I ask merely for information.


No. There are few if any districts in the country where the number of voters on the rolls don't exceed the actual number of voters - for reasons explained in TFA.
This was selected because it is mostly black and Democratic, to get the maximum "Booga-Booga!" factor. At any rate, no illegal votes were cast, as is inevitably the case, and the righties need to quit whining for these unconstitutional laws. It makes them look like pussies who can't win without tilting the playing field.
 
2012-08-31 11:29:04 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.


Excellent. +1
 
2012-08-31 11:31:34 AM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


There is this little black-market business called, Fake IDs that you might want to read up on.
 
2012-08-31 11:31:40 AM  

mainstreet62: rumpelstiltskin: I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.

Excellent. +1


Make that 2
 
2012-08-31 11:33:12 AM  

zarberg: EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.


GRBs are a legitimate fear, though.
 
2012-08-31 11:33:39 AM  
Awwwwwww shiat! Voter fraud!

I said, VOTER FRAUD!!!!

You know what that means:

House Speaker Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn, said the numbers dramatize why the Department of Justice should approve Alabama's photo voter identification law in time for the 2014 elections.


Yeah. I know, champ. I know.
 
2012-08-31 11:35:04 AM  

VitruvianMonkey: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

There is this little black-market business called, Fake IDs that you might want to read up on.


I think the GOP knows that and is hoping to use that as an excuse later:

Racist polling judge, "Sorry Mr. Scary Looking Black Man, this ID looks fake to me. You will not be allowed to vote."
 
2012-08-31 11:35:42 AM  
"The dead are coming back to life, and they're voting Republican!" - Lisa Simpson
 
2012-08-31 11:36:31 AM  

Lumpmoose: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU. All of the recent voting overhauls have been partisan attempts orchestrated by ALEC to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voting blocks. The GOP is so insane at this point in history that I don't trust their attempts to modernize the process. Maybe later when they're less demonstrably uncompromising. Voting is too important.


How dare you imply the the RNC is trying to disenfranchise voters. You Libs are the real disenfranchisers for always pointing it out.
 
2012-08-31 11:36:36 AM  
That article read like propaganda. They only quote republicans and democratic turncoat that spews GOP talking points.

It was just an add for vote suppression.
 
2012-08-31 11:37:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: That article read like propaganda. They only quote republicans and democratic turncoat that spews GOP talking points.

It was just an add for vote suppression.

 
2012-08-31 11:37:27 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: FTFA: Most of its population is black and votes Democratic.

Ah. I see the problem here.


The same problem Alabama has been fighting since 1865.
 
2012-08-31 11:37:33 AM  
Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.
 
2012-08-31 11:38:37 AM  
Is this about the way voter turnout is counted?

If I remember right, voter turnout percentage is based on the number of people registered the day of/before an election: So if EVERYONE registered votes, and then more people register *And* vote on election day, you go over 100%,since you have more people registered and voting than you did the day before the election.

/Which is a REALLY farking stupid way to do it, but whatever.
 
2012-08-31 11:39:22 AM  
So what I got from this article is no proof of voter fraud = voter fraud.
 
2012-08-31 11:39:52 AM  
Attorney General Luther Strange

There is something going on here. Luther Strange? If that's not a super villain name nothing is.
 
2012-08-31 11:40:13 AM  
Alabama GOP Chairman Bill Armistead said "something is fishy" in Perry County.

You got that right.

He said only a strictly enforced photo voter ID requirement can return faith "to what is obviously a flawed, broken and likely corrupt elections system."

And there's your culprit.
 
2012-08-31 11:40:38 AM  

max_pooper: Tyrone Slothrop: vpb: CommieTaoist: Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?



No, it refers to the soil, and most of the voters in the town are black so they would have changed the name of the city if they had a problem with it.

I thought it was because everyone was Kung Fu fighting.

Those cats were fast as lightning...


ninjas from japan and kung fu from china are not the same thing!1

still cute pic tho. saved.
 
2012-08-31 11:41:02 AM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


If you can provide examples of cases of voter fraud, it would be a start.
And lets have them be of the type that ID would stop.

There is no evidence of any actual fraud in Uniontown, let aloe of a type that photo ID would prevent, and the linked article gives reasonable explanations as to why the issue exists without involving any sort of fraud.
 
2012-08-31 11:41:10 AM  
Call me crazy, but the Republicans in Alabama want to restrict voting rights by requiring photo id, and low and behold, a town in a heavily Democratic voting area shows up some inconsistencies.

I'll be damned, but that's suspicious.
 
2012-08-31 11:41:26 AM  

odinsposse: Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.


Nor is there evidence of fraud of any kind.
 
2012-08-31 11:42:17 AM  
There are Democrats in Alabama?

/because you see, voter fraud is perpetrated ONLY by Democrats
 
2012-08-31 11:43:13 AM  

meat0918: Call me crazy, but the Republicans in Alabama want to restrict voting rights by requiring photo id, and low and behold, a town in a heavily Democratic voting area shows up some inconsistencies.

I'll be damned, but that's suspicious.


Again - in all voting districts, there are more voters "on the rolls" than actual voters - for reasons that would be obvious to a clever 10 year old.
 
2012-08-31 11:43:38 AM  

meat0918: Call me crazy, but the Republicans in Alabama want to restrict voting rights by requiring photo id, and low and behold, a town in a heavily Democratic voting area shows up some inconsistencies.

I'll be damned, but that's suspicious.


It couldn't possibly be more transparent.
 
2012-08-31 11:46:24 AM  

EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


It's easy to spot without checking IDs, if you feel like reading this long post.

I can only speak to the procedure in NC, where there is not a Voter ID law (yet, we'll have one when we get a Republican governor this election). I do suspect most places have ways to detect when people vote twice, which is all you need...

Here, all the "Authorization To Vote" forms issued are scanned after the election, so the county board knows who (strictly speaking, which registrations) voted in the election. (Early and absentee voting is added to this database). This information is part of the voter registration, which is public record.

Likewise, absentee voters are marked as such in the Big Book O'Names, and said names are removed when the ATV is issued on Election Day. So we can immediately spot if someone (the same registration) tries to vote twice or vote early and on Election Day. (We had a dumbass Morrisville Town Council candidate try this in 2011).

Anyone can go to the State BOE website and see which elections a particular voter is recorded as having voted in.

Therefore, if there was some epidemic of undetected voter impersonation, there would be an equal and opposite epidemic of people getting busted trying to vote twice. (Or people listed as having voted who did not).

Want to find evidence of voter impersonation? Go find people listed as having voted, who didn't vote or don't exist.

/I should copypasta this instead of writing something like it every thread
 
2012-08-31 11:47:09 AM  
* There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!
 
2012-08-31 11:48:45 AM  
EnviroDude should go suck a tail pipe. Go the fark away you dolt.
 
2012-08-31 11:49:08 AM  

eraser8: * There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!


Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.
 
2012-08-31 11:50:41 AM  
I had a feeling this was an intentionally deceptive headline designed to make dumbfarks like EnviroDeuche say something stupid before reading the article.
 
2012-08-31 11:51:32 AM  
2010 census data for Untiontown census district was 3,508. I don't know how big a census district is, but if two thirds of the population is voting age, 2,147 people in Uniontown proper would give a 100% voter turnout.

3,508 people at 66% would be 2,334 people of voting age, meaning 61% voter turnout.

I think they just don't have their census numbers right...
 
2012-08-31 11:52:19 AM  

jso2897: eraser8: * There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!

Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.


Pretty much. If there was a concerted effort to get the political left and minorities trained with guns and armed (something I have thought about and continue to try to drum up support for) the Republicans would start stumping on gun control laws so fast your head would spin. Of course, they wouldn't be "gun control laws", merely "attempting to keep guns out of the hands of criminals", who by an astonishing coincidence are all black, latino or live in Democratic districts.
 
2012-08-31 11:53:36 AM  

error 303: I think they just don't have their census numbers right...


TFA quietly suggests that could be the case, too, before it barrels on ahead full-steam with the right-wing propaganda.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:49 AM  
Census fraud! I knew it!
 
2012-08-31 11:54:54 AM  

jso2897: Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.


I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

Something tells me they wouldn't be nearly as sanguine as they've been when redneck teabaggers act that way.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:59 AM  

Headso: wow, never saw envirodude post more than once in a thread! disenfranchising people must be very important to him


Depends on if he remembers his alts.
i1062.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-31 11:57:01 AM  

eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.


I now dearly want both of these things to happen.
 
2012-08-31 11:57:55 AM  
Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy
 
2012-08-31 11:58:09 AM  

EnviroDude: Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


Absentee ballots. Ooops.
 
2012-08-31 12:00:08 PM  

zarberg: EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.


That's funny... I sometimes lie awake and hope that a gamma ray burst will destroy all of humanity.

What one man fears in the night, is another girls paradise.

/It's our best hope, send us all to the stars and hope a good man's dna starts us over somewhere else...
 
2012-08-31 12:00:22 PM  

odinsposse: eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

I now dearly want both of these things to happen.


I think that would be awesome. The GOP would shiat their pants so fast and so much, present day John McCain would look continent.
 
2012-08-31 12:00:28 PM  
Davis was excoriated for leaving the Democratic Party and was called a bitter loser after falling in the 2010 Alabama Democratic gubernatorial primary to a white.

That's an old timey kinda sentence...
 
2012-08-31 12:01:25 PM  

Fart_Machine: cmunic8r99: I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.

Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.

Wow someone read the article. Let's see how much Derp about how IDs would have prevented this continues.


Continue onto the next page.
There were 1140 Over 18 years of age, and 1431 Votes.

There could be a problem. But as stated there could be many explanations such as an under-count of minorities, or simply an issue of city lines and district lines being different (people living outside the city lines may still be districted to vote inside the city lines)
 
2012-08-31 12:01:48 PM  
rumpelstiltskin I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.

www.uniontownal.org
Uniontown City election manager Alfreda Washington

Aye, she looks like a real grit redneck alright.
But you aren't wrong about her not doing her job properly. From another article with more information: Perry County Board of Registrars chairwoman Lucy Kynard said that 279 of the town's registered voters were "removable" due to being dead or having been convicted of felonies.

That would be the "hillbilly county clerk" catching this woman attempting to let dead people vote, just in case you aren't smart enough to follow that.
 
2012-08-31 12:02:44 PM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


This was either a case of massive fraud on the side of the ballot takers, massive incompetence on the side of the ballot takers, or a GOP that's so butthurt that they'll invent a scandal (the most likely scenario). ID's won't prevent any of that.
 
2012-08-31 12:04:43 PM  
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-08-31 12:06:02 PM  
Republican's only engage in fraud that ID's can't prevent.

Link
 
2012-08-31 12:06:23 PM  

Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]


Was your post intended to show how stupid the anti-Obama brigade is?

Or, was it intended to show you stupid you are?
 
2012-08-31 12:06:29 PM  

truthseeker2083: That's funny... I sometimes lie awake and hope that a gamma ray burst will destroy all of humanity.

What one man fears in the night, is another girls paradise.

/It's our best hope, send us all to the stars and hope a good man's dna starts us over somewhere else...


"This could be our last night on Earth ... "

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-31 12:08:00 PM  

aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy


Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.
 
2012-08-31 12:08:40 PM  

zarberg: EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.


I plan on cutting off my own testicles just to make sure I don't ever get ball cancer, so I completely understand where EnviroDude is coming from.
 
2012-08-31 12:09:26 PM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


Exactly! Look how it has completely wiped out underage drinking. It would work just as effectively for voting fraud. Thank you Republicans! Thank you.
 
2012-08-31 12:10:12 PM  

eraser8: Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]

Was your post intended to show how stupid the anti-Obama brigade is?

Or, was it intended to show you stupid you are?


I think it's just spam for politifake.org
 
2012-08-31 12:12:00 PM  
ALL FRAUD IN VOTING IS BY PEOPLE IN THE PARTIES AND GOVERNMENT.

Sure, somebody somewhere is voting on someone else's tab because they know the other person never votes so yea, that's easy enough. But that pales in comparison to the corruption of the caretakers of the vote.

Think about how passionate people here get about who wins or not. You don't think that affects everyone in the chain of the voting system? Sure it does. Even more-so because they care enough to be involved in it while you only jabber about it. And they "do things" about it because it's all about the survival of our country and systems of beliefs. People die for that. You don't think losing a box of ballots or fudging some counts is likely?
 
2012-08-31 12:16:35 PM  

cmunic8r99: I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.

Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.


Maybe Gadsden is a magical town where 17 year olds get to stay 17 forever and there's never any new residents moving into town after the census is taken.
 
2012-08-31 12:17:03 PM  

odinsposse: eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

I now dearly want both of these things to happen.


I don't. The body-count would be rather high, and the shiat-storm that followed would be terrible to behold
 
2012-08-31 12:17:23 PM  
The only thing worse that realizing you've stumbled into a troll thread is realizing it's full of nothing but B-listers.
 
2012-08-31 12:18:53 PM  
And it begins

i135.photobucket.com 

Republicans are so scared of illegal Mexicans voting ?
So a person trying to stay off the grid, the first thing they do is go register to vote?

Bunch of scared little people
 
2012-08-31 12:19:05 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.


The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.
 
2012-08-31 12:20:40 PM  

varmitydog: rumpelstiltskin I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.

[www.uniontownal.org image 180x225]
Uniontown City election manager Alfreda Washington

Aye, she looks like a real grit redneck alright.
But you aren't wrong about her not doing her job properly. From another article with more information: Perry County Board of Registrars chairwoman Lucy Kynard said that 279 of the town's registered voters were "removable" due to being dead or having been convicted of felonies.

That would be the "hillbilly county clerk" catching this woman attempting to let dead people vote, just in case you aren't smart enough to follow that.


It was a joke, you humorless git.
 
2012-08-31 12:23:31 PM  

Lumpmoose: I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU.


This.
 
2012-08-31 12:23:59 PM  

Ennuipoet: Would this even be a story if the town were predominately white and Republican? I ask merely for information.


If it were a white town the 81% turnout would be proof of the high degree of patriotic among that demographic.
 
2012-08-31 12:25:29 PM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!
 
2012-08-31 12:26:30 PM  

Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]


We get it. Obama's black.
 
2012-08-31 12:33:42 PM  

eraser8: jso2897: Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.

I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

Something tells me they wouldn't be nearly as sanguine as they've been when redneck teabaggers act that way.


Based on their reaction to the latest iteration of the Panthers, who are basically upper-middle class black college kids engaged in cosplay, they would freak the F**k out.
 
2012-08-31 12:36:35 PM  
So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.
 
2012-08-31 12:37:43 PM  

Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.


...and I just realized how stupid that sounds.
 
2012-08-31 12:37:53 PM  

Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.


Prosecute what?
 
2012-08-31 12:38:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


How is talking to yourself these days?
 
2012-08-31 12:39:23 PM  

jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?


Never mind.
 
2012-08-31 12:39:37 PM  

born_yesterday: The only thing worse that realizing you've stumbled into a troll thread is realizing it's full of nothing but B-listers.


Hey we take offense to that.
 
2012-08-31 12:40:41 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


But you are completely wrong and the article and thread prove that. How is that fun for you?
 
2012-08-31 12:45:58 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!

But you are completely wrong and the article and thread prove that. How is that fun for you?


Look at it from his perspective. If, in fact, this is evidence of "voter fraud", and this voter fraud is rife in every town in America (voters on the rolls almost invariably exceed the number of actual voters), then "voter fraud" is a real problem, and we need to waste lots of time passing voter suppression laws the courts will toss. He seems to think that is something we should be doing.
 
2012-08-31 12:47:02 PM  

odinsposse: Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.


I don't think we can even assume registration fraud, just poor database maintenance. Between understaffing, incompetence, and the (actually laudable) goal of not purging voters that might still be out there, voter rolls are inevitably full of voters that have either died or moved. Can't speak for AL, but in SE PA suburbs, I can attest that the rolls have at least 10% deceased/moved voters based on canvassing results. In low income areas like inner cities the numbers were MUCH higher because people move so often.
 
2012-08-31 12:49:05 PM  

It all made sense at the time: odinsposse: Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.

I don't think we can even assume registration fraud, just poor database maintenance. Between understaffing, incompetence, and the (actually laudable) goal of not purging voters that might still be out there, voter rolls are inevitably full of voters that have either died or moved. Can't speak for AL, but in SE PA suburbs, I can attest that the rolls have at least 10% deceased/moved voters based on canvassing results. In low income areas like inner cities the numbers were MUCH higher because people move so often.


They also contain some duplicates caused by people changing affiliation, and the rolls not being updated in a timely fashion.
 
2012-08-31 12:49:09 PM  
Registration fraud is almost entirely the result of people being paid per registration. Outfits that collect registrations are required to submit all forms. If someone draws wieners and wipes their arse with the form by law the form must still be submitted to the state.

Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Jim Crow laws were effectively racist.
Voter ID laws are effectively racist.

/That about cover it?
 
2012-08-31 12:51:49 PM  

bootman: Registration fraud is almost entirely the result of people being paid per registration. Outfits that collect registrations are required to submit all forms. If someone draws wieners and wipes their arse with the form by law the form must still be submitted to the state.

Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Jim Crow laws were effectively racist.
Voter ID laws are effectively racist.

/That about cover it?


Yup. There is a coalition in this country that wants to re-fight the sixties.
I'm not sure why they think they can win now, when they lost when the numbers favored them far more.
 
2012-08-31 12:52:36 PM  
Black people voting frightens me. I commend the author for misrepresenting the data, insinuating voter fraud, the pointing out the population is mostly black and votes democratic. This is a national tragedy.
 
2012-08-31 12:53:33 PM  
Uniontown. No need to say more, amirite?
 
2012-08-31 12:54:04 PM  
Only thing good to come out of Gadsen
are the bass fish in Guntersville lake.
 
2012-08-31 01:03:25 PM  

jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?


The voter fraud that appears to have occurred here? What do you mean prosecute what?
 
2012-08-31 01:35:45 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.


There are exactly 0 hillbillies in the city of Uniontown. Further, you can count the entire hillbillie population of Perry county on one hand.

Voter fraud in that part of Alabama is simply a way of life. There have been numerous prosections, but it never gets better because that's how it has been done for decades.

Here's you a little story for background. The Tinker woman mentioned in it was later convicted.

Every time I read libs say that voter fraud isn't real, I want to send them to west Alabama. They would probably come back a Republican.

Pants full of macaroni!!: There are Democrats in Alabama?


See above. Uniontown and Perry county is entirely democratic.

aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy


Absentee fraud is the usual way. There have been election results for other cities in that area where greater than 75% of the ballots cast were absentee.

bootman: Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.


Not when everyone's doing it. All it takes is a few people voting a few dozen times each to sway smaller elections and yes, that has happened.

Again, I know the fark libs simply refuse to believe it happens but it does. Here's the real kicker. A great number of Republicans in Alabama do not give a shiat about the areas involved. The population numbers of the entire counties don't equal single polling place numbers in larger metro areas. Perry, for example, has a population of about 10,000. They aren't a threat to influence the outcome of any statewide election and they aren't going to elect any Republican locally.

The losers are the locals who really want honest government and sadly, when someone tries to do something about it they're labeled a racist.

Nice. Very, very nice.
 
2012-08-31 02:00:05 PM  

JustGetItRight: bootman: Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Not when everyone's doing it. All it takes is a few people voting a few dozen times each to sway smaller elections and yes, that has happened.

Again, I know the fark libs simply refuse to believe it happens but it does. Here's the real kicker. A great number of Republicans in Alabama do not give a shiat about the areas involved. The population numbers of the entire counties don't equal single polling place numbers in larger metro areas. Perry, for example, has a population of about 10,000. They aren't a threat to influence the outcome of any statewide election and they aren't going to elect any Republican locally.

The losers are the locals who really want honest government and sadly, when someone tries to do something about it they're labeled a racist.

Nice. Very, very nice.


Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

I mean, except people who lie about their home address, like Gov. Romney's lie that he was living in his son's unfurnished basement when he voted for Sen. Scott Brown?
 
2012-08-31 02:09:24 PM  

JustGetItRight: Every time I read libs say that voter fraud isn't real, I want to send them to west Alabama. They would probably come back a Republican.


I'm pretty sure they don't actually make you get a lobotomy to move to Alabama.
 
2012-08-31 02:09:40 PM  
"We feel that it is time now to bring a Selma-type or Birmingham-type movement to bear on the economic problems confronting the poor people of our nation. And when I say poor people I'm not only talking about black people, I'm aware of the fact that there are a poor people on a large scale in the Puerto Rican community, I'm talking about the Mexican-American community, I'm talking about the Indian community, I'm talking about the Appalachian white community, I'm talking about poor people's power. That is what is needed."

Notice how he didn't say "hillbilly".
 
2012-08-31 02:11:15 PM  
Wait. I'm confused. I thought voter fraud never, ever, ever happened in the history of mankind and that's why the voter ID laws were stupid?

Also, what's this nonsense?
"Last year, former U.S. Rep. Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who subsequently left the Democratic Party, said he should have supported a voter ID law while he served in Congress.

Davis said as an African-American politician, he had without any evidence "lapsed into the rhetoric of various partisans and activists who contend that requiring photo identification to vote is a suppression tactic aimed at thwarting black voter participation.

"The truth is that the most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community, at least in Alabama, is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," he wrote in an op-ed piece.

Davis said he has heard vote peddlers brag about their activities and has been asked to pay for it. He said fraudulent voting "cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights - that's suppression by any light."


Now that's just crazy talk. No wonder he quit the Democratic Party. Everyone knows that voter fruad is a myth and never, ever, actually happens. And that the ONLY possible reason to want Photo IDs is to keep black folk from voting.

Someone needs to tell that mostly black, mostly democratic town that they are messing up the narrative.
 
2012-08-31 02:12:32 PM  

CodeRedEd: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

Exactly! Look how it has completely wiped out underage drinking. It would work just as effectively for voting fraud. Thank you Republicans! Thank you.


Imagine there were a law prohibiting you from asking for someone's ID before selling them alcohol.

Then imagine claiming that no underage folks were buying alcohol because none of them had been caught trying to buy it.
 
2012-08-31 02:12:51 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Wait. I'm confused. I thought voter fraud never, ever, ever happened in the history of mankind and that's why the voter ID laws were stupid?

Also, what's this nonsense?
"Last year, former U.S. Rep. Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who subsequently left the Democratic Party, said he should have supported a voter ID law while he served in Congress.

Davis said as an African-American politician, he had without any evidence "lapsed into the rhetoric of various partisans and activists who contend that requiring photo identification to vote is a suppression tactic aimed at thwarting black voter participation.

"The truth is that the most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community, at least in Alabama, is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," he wrote in an op-ed piece.

Davis said he has heard vote peddlers brag about their activities and has been asked to pay for it. He said fraudulent voting "cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights - that's suppression by any light."


Now that's just crazy talk. No wonder he quit the Democratic Party. Everyone knows that voter fruad is a myth and never, ever, actually happens. And that the ONLY possible reason to want Photo IDs is to keep black folk from voting.

Someone needs to tell that mostly black, mostly democratic town that they are messing up the narrative.


So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?
 
2012-08-31 02:14:12 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


How is your flags of the Caribbean research coming along?
 
2012-08-31 02:16:10 PM  

bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.


Go to those counties and you'll change your mind.

Here's an example. In Ms. Tinker's case, the circuit judge assigned the case (Marvin Wiggins) was her BROTHER. He squashed subpoenas and search warrants and even refused to recuse himself from the case until removed by order of the state supreme court.

Link

Here's a story from back in 2008. You''ll note that the reports of fraud came from federal observers.

It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

A Republican prosecutor trying to do something about it has no chance. The cases are tried before judges that are in the club and he will be branded a racist for even trying.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:13 PM  

aug3: USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.


Really? That's weird. At least in img1.fark.net, there are no such requirements.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:59 PM  

zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?


Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group woul blatant voter fruad be an acceptable activity?

Also, did you happen to miss the page 3 and 4 quote from a Black Democrat who explicitely stated that he had been offered fraudulent votes to help him win an election? I only ask because it was right there in my post.
 
2012-08-31 02:19:24 PM  
To be fair, its black voters, and some people consider them 2/3rds people anyway, so it was only around 80-something percent turn-out.
 
2012-08-31 02:20:27 PM  

GranoblasticMan: aug3: USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.

Really? That's weird. At least in [img1.fark.net image 54x11], there are no such requirements.


A quick search of the Googles shows that Alabama has the same requirements you listed, though.
 
2012-08-31 02:20:43 PM  

Cataholic: Imagine there were a law prohibiting you from asking for someone's ID before selling them alcohol.

Then imagine claiming that no underage folks were buying alcohol because none of them had been caught trying to buy it.


See my post above for a trivial way to find out how much impersonation is happening even when IDs are not checked. Short version:

Go find someone listed as having voted in that election, who didn't.
Or someone who got turned away or prosecuted because the pollworkers thought they'd already voted, who didn't.
 
2012-08-31 02:24:03 PM  

bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

I mean, except people who lie about their home address, like Gov. Romney's lie that he was living in his son's unfurnished basement when he voted for Sen. Scott Brown?


That's another pet peeve I need to develop a copypasta for, address security.

Any ID requirement that requires that the address on the ID matches the registration address is there to suppress votes from college students and people who move a lot (i.e. the poor).

The address one gives DMV isn't any more secure or verified than the one one gives to the Board of Elections. Possibly less so (at least the BOE sends you mail, the DMV may not, depending).
 
2012-08-31 02:27:28 PM  

zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?


See my previous posts. Because most of the time nobody cares. The counties are small and removed from population centers. There's little access to even a simple thing like high speed internet. When the state was predominately democratic (which was until 2010 in the legislature), the state leaders didn't care because the locals were going to vote for them no matter what. Now that the state leaders are all Republican and don't care because the locals (a) aren't going to vote for them and (b) aren't enough to matter.

Here's a 2002 story from the area. Note that a county with a population of 11,000 had four times the number of absentee ballots cast as Tuscaloosa county, which has a population of 77,000.

Put yeah, I know. Systemic voter fraud isn't real. It is all about the man keeping people down.
 
2012-08-31 02:33:59 PM  

JustGetItRight: zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?

See my previous posts. Because most of the time nobody cares. The counties are small and removed from population centers. There's little access to even a simple thing like high speed internet. When the state was predominately democratic (which was until 2010 in the legislature), the state leaders didn't care because the locals were going to vote for them no matter what. Now that the state leaders are all Republican and don't care because the locals (a) aren't going to vote for them and (b) aren't enough to matter.

Here's a 2002 story from the area. Note that a county with a population of 11,000 had four times the number of absentee ballots cast as Tuscaloosa county, which has a population of 77,000.

Put yeah, I know. Systemic voter fraud isn't real. It is all about the man keeping people down.


To be fair, ID requirements don't help absentee ballot fraud at all.

Why haven't losing candidates sued over this stuff? Around here any hint of shenanigans (real or not) has candidates' lawyers going over ballots, registrations, etc.

Then again, if the State government is in on it (as per your earlier post) then there's nothing that CAN be done, short of tying it to civil rights in some way and calling in the Feds I suppose.
 
2012-08-31 02:43:17 PM  

JustGetItRight: It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.


So then why when the Bush administration charged the US Attorneys to investigate voter fraud where they unable to find this out, yet some guy on the internet is an expert?
 
2012-08-31 02:43:35 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: To be fair, ID requirements don't help absentee ballot fraud at all.

Why haven't losing candidates sued over this stuff? Around here any hint of shenanigans (real or not) has candidates' lawyers going over ballots, registrations, etc.

Then again, if the State government is in on it (as per your earlier post) then there's nothing that CAN be done, short of tying it to civil rights in some way and calling in the Feds I suppose.


I wish like hell I knew how to fix it.

Your right. In the case of west Alabama, id laws won't do one single thing to change the situation because the folks at the polling places and the clerk handing out absentee ballots are in on the fraud.

There have been legal cases, but they'll be heard by the local circuit judge. As a link I posted earlier shows, you won't find any justice there. Wiggins only stepped aside in the Tinker case because he was about to get removed from the bench. He probably should have been anyhow, but that would have been another case of those mean racists at work.

Whenever the feds and/or state level law enforcement gets involved, it gets much better. Read the 2002 story and compare what happened in the 1990s and mid 2000s when folks were looking. The simple answer is you can't devote the resources to be there every single time the polls open so when the heat is up, they simply lay low and wait for the storm to pass.

It is simply a different world that someone from the outside can't grasp.
 
2012-08-31 02:46:55 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group woul blatant voter fruad be an acceptable activity?

Also, did you happen to miss the page 3 and 4 quote from a Black Democrat who explicitely stated that he had been offered fraudulent votes to help him win an election? I only ask because it was right there in my post.


A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.

Also, explain how the voter ID laws and such being proposed over the last half-year would stop this sort of crime. If the people are doing it without IDs, how is making them have something that's easy to acquire is going to stop this supposed voter fraud.
 
2012-08-31 02:50:08 PM  

BSABSVR: JustGetItRight: It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

So then why when the Bush administration charged the US Attorneys to investigate voter fraud where they unable to find this out, yet some guy on the internet is an expert?


You know, there are some very informed people on the internet.

I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.

In the whole of Alabama, there probably isn't a big fraud problem but in the counties covered by this story (Total population roughly 60,000 in a state of almost 5 million) it is very, very real.

Sorry if that doesn't fit your particular political views.
 
2012-08-31 03:17:56 PM  

JustGetItRight: I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.


What you are talking about is more properly called election fraud. Voter fraud is when a voter does something illegal. Election fraud is when a vote counter does something illegal. Election fraud is not addressed by the Voter ID laws being put into place all over the country but since it can actually have a major impact on election anyone worried about our elections should be worried about election fraud. The fact that most Republicans go on and on about voter fraud without a peep about election fraud shows where their real priorities lie.
 
2012-08-31 03:18:04 PM  

zarberg: A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.


So... you didn't answer any of the questions.

Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group would blatant voter fraud be an acceptable activity?

And as for motive, I believe the answer can be found in my post which you quoted.

Here's a hint: A Black Democrat reported being offered votes for sale in a largely black and democratic district.Even before this obvious tampering.

Maybe you could address those questions?
 
2012-08-31 03:25:18 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.

So... you didn't answer any of the questions.

Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group would blatant voter fraud be an acceptable activity?

And as for motive, I believe the answer can be found in my post which you quoted.

Here's a hint: A Black Democrat reported being offered votes for sale in a largely black and democratic district.Even before this obvious tampering.

Maybe you could address those questions?


No, I can't clarify my point. I'm sorry if you don't get that there is such a statistically low rate of voter fraud that you're more likely to know someone who got struck by lightning than someone who committed voter fraud. (and you're free to debunk the Brennan Center as some sort of anti-right agency, but please provide peer-reviewed statistical proof refuting what they've said)

I'm not concerned that black democrats gamed the system because there is no evidence of large groups of anyone committing voter fraud.

Voter fraud is an unacceptable activity anywhere.

There, I've answered your questions.

Now I'll ask you one ... do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?
 
2012-08-31 03:25:18 PM  

odinsposse: JustGetItRight: I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.

What you are talking about is more properly called election fraud. Voter fraud is when a voter does something illegal. Election fraud is when a vote counter does something illegal. Election fraud is not addressed by the Voter ID laws being put into place all over the country but since it can actually have a major impact on election anyone worried about our elections should be worried about election fraud. The fact that most Republicans go on and on about voter fraud without a peep about election fraud shows where their real priorities lie.


You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.
 
2012-08-31 03:27:15 PM  

JustGetItRight: You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.


If it's such a problem that a Farker like you is so easily aware of it, I'm sure you can cite evidence to show this?
 
2012-08-31 03:38:47 PM  

zarberg: do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?


Do you know that neither is acceptable? And have you thrice missed the fact that A Black Democrat complained about being offered fraudulent VOTES for sale? FYI, widespread voter fraud and election fraud produce the same results.
 
2012-08-31 03:45:28 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?

Do you know that neither is acceptable? And have you thrice missed the fact that A Black Democrat complained about being offered fraudulent VOTES for sale? FYI, widespread voter fraud and election fraud produce the same results.


I'm completely aware neither are acceptable. Do you know that it is impossible for you (or anyone) to offer statistical proof that VOTER fraud happens more than .005% of the time, despite what "A Black Democrat" did?

And no, widespread voter fraud and election fraud don't produce the same results, because widespread voter fraud doesn't exist. No matter how scared you are of it, it simply doesn't. No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I'm more than happy to see any improvements on laws, or new laws, that would target ELECTION fraud, because it's a horrible thing, but to my knowledge, none of the proposed laws in any state at any time in the past few years target ELECTION fraud because it's already very illegal with severe punishments.

I suppose we could make election fraud double secret illegal with an extra harsh slap on the wrist in addition to the other punishments, though. Would that make you happy?
 
2012-08-31 03:47:19 PM  

zarberg: JustGetItRight: You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.

If it's such a problem that a Farker like you is so easily aware of it, I'm sure you can cite evidence to show this?


Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link
 
2012-08-31 03:51:13 PM  

JustGetItRight: Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link


Out of the first five links I clicked, 3 were editorials or letters to the editor, and two were news stories talking about an "official" meeting on voting fraud where people shared anecdotal evidence and one that talked about people's anecdotal evidence.

That's some good sleuthin' there.
 
2012-08-31 04:03:37 PM  

zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.


I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

And anytime it looks like there MIGHT be voter fraud, it's not ACTUALLY voter fraud, because witnesses and people explainingit, or people who have been offered fraudulent votes, or people who have testified to being compensated for voting and anything like that doesn't count. Especially when you make sure not to have any system by which it COULD be counted.

That's why stories like this are so bothersome. I really wish these people engaging in rampat voter and election fraud would get with the program. If they keep it up with all this voter fraud, people are going to start thinking that voter fruad might actually be happeneing!

And then where would we be?
 
2012-08-31 04:08:17 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

And anytime it looks like there MIGHT be voter fraud, it's not ACTUALLY voter fraud, because witnesses and people explainingit, or people who have been offered fraudulent votes, or people who have testified to being compensated for voting and anything like that doesn't count. Especially when you make sure not to have any system by which it COULD be counted.

That's why stories like this are so bothersome. I really wish these people engaging in rampat voter and election fraud would get with the program. If they keep it up with all this voter fraud, people are going to start thinking that voter fruad might actually be happeneing!

And then where would we be?


The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, > 1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.
 
2012-08-31 04:15:39 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

Common sense? Don't be ridiculous. This thread has been about election fraud and none of it would be prevented with Voter ID laws. If you're so concerned why are you clinging tp a solution that just adds a useless layer of bureaucracy and doesn't address the problem?

 
2012-08-31 04:21:20 PM  

zarberg: JustGetItRight: Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link

Out of the first five links I clicked, 3 were editorials or letters to the editor, and two were news stories talking about an "official" meeting on voting fraud where people shared anecdotal evidence and one that talked about people's anecdotal evidence.

That's some good sleuthin' there.


Nevermind. I've posted links to actual legal proceedings. I've posted links to court cases that resulted in convictions. I just posted a widely cast google net that contains a great deal of mainstream media stories if you're willing to go past the first page.

You clearly don't want to see the actual truth that there's rampant election fraud in western Alabama and has been for decades.
 
2012-08-31 04:21:57 PM  

zarberg: The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, >1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.


The even funnier part is where you think that's the point.

Or is it where you think that is a counter argument. That must be why we have no laws against murder, since it so rarely occurs and all.

(Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.
 
2012-08-31 04:24:42 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, >1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.

The even funnier part is where you think that's the point.

Or is it where you think that is a counter argument. That must be why we have no laws against murder, since it so rarely occurs and all.

(Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.


the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?
 
2012-08-31 04:38:54 PM  

skullkrusher: (Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.

the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?


Well, also the fact that voter fraud is already illegal with rather severe punishments, but hey, let's make it even more illegal.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:27 PM  

Arkanaut: jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?

The voter fraud that appears to have occurred here? What do you mean prosecute what?


What voter fraud? There has been no voter fraud here that anyone knows of.
 
2012-08-31 05:14:17 PM  

JustGetItRight: bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

Go to those counties and you'll change your mind.

Here's an example. In Ms. Tinker's case, the circuit judge assigned the case (Marvin Wiggins) was her BROTHER. He squashed subpoenas and search warrants and even refused to recuse himself from the case until removed by order of the state supreme court.

Link

Here's a story from back in 2008. You''ll note that the reports of fraud came from federal observers.

It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

A Republican prosecutor trying to do something about it has no chance. The cases are tried before judges that are in the club and he will be branded a racist for even trying.


Again, I call bullshiat. If the GOP was really concerned about in person voter fraud they would not be exclusively implementing effectively racist fixes that just happen to benefit themselves.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:04 PM  
cdn2-b.examiner.com 
What a vote counting instructor might look like.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:05 PM  

zarberg: skullkrusher: (Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.

the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?

Well, also the fact that voter fraud is already illegal with rather severe punishments, but hey, let's make it even more illegal.


doubleplus illegal works. don't knock it
 
2012-08-31 05:50:08 PM  
Er, I voted tuesday in Alabama. We had to show ID. So what does that mean about this story?
 
2012-08-31 06:27:46 PM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


You have missed all the Diebold threads?
 
2012-08-31 06:56:02 PM  
I like cakes.

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2012-08-31 07:51:56 PM  
Elections sound good in theory, but, in the real world, there has NEVER been an honest election.
 
2012-08-31 08:11:51 PM  

vpb: CommieTaoist: Does anyone else find the term "Black Belt" as used in this context extremely racist?



No, it refers to the soil, and most of the voters in the town are black so they would have changed the name of the city if they had a problem with it.


Well, on one hand, the term "Black Belt" refers to the soil--the soil in an area that stretches through a large part of the South.

from wiki:
"The region and its boundaries have varying definitions, but it is generally considered a band through the center of the Deep South, although stretching from as far north as Delaware to as far west as eastern Texas....

Black Belt is still used in the physiographic sense, to describe a crescent-shaped region about 300 miles (480 km) long and up to 25 miles (40 km) wide, extending from southwest Tennessee to east-central Mississippi and then east through Alabama to the border with Georgia."

So even though, as you say, "most of the voters in the town are black," it's not like they could vote to change the name of the entire region.

On the other hand, I think the term itself is very much on the low end of things that black people in the South should be concerned with. But I could be wrong; next time I speak with one my cousins down there, I'll ask them about it.
 
2012-08-31 08:20:29 PM  

JustGetItRight: zarberg: JustGetItRight: You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.

If it's such a problem that a Farker like you is so easily aware of it, I'm sure you can cite evidence to show this?

Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link


From one of the stories found in the link you posted:

Did someone brag to Artur Davis about committing voter fraud?
Truth Rating: 2 out of 5

Read more: Bama Fact Check - Did someone brag to Artur Davis about committing voter fraud Truth Rating 2 out of 5

Link
 
2012-08-31 08:34:11 PM  

JustGetItRight: Absentee fraud is the usual way. There have been election results for other cities in that area where greater than 75% of the ballots cast were absentee.


If this is true, how will photo-ID laws stop this?
 
2012-08-31 10:12:42 PM  
And let this be a lesson to you all: Vote early and vote often.
 
2012-08-31 10:22:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: JustGetItRight: Absentee fraud is the usual way. There have been election results for other cities in that area where greater than 75% of the ballots cast were absentee.

If this is true, how will photo-ID laws stop this?


As I said earlier, they won't.
 
2012-09-01 12:08:28 AM  
You're goddamn right there has been voter fraud going on in AL, subby, as well as judicial fraud:

Link

The Alabama Republicans, with a little help from their pal Karl Rove have ruined the lives and careers of two men, one a former governor and are sending Don Siegleman back to prison for over 6 years, a story which got buried under the Olympics and election coverage. Anyone who cares about the integrity of our juridical and electoral systems should take a look at the articles linked to in here. It really is sickening and scary, considering we have an election coming up. Link

Is there corruption in Alabama politics? Absolutely Everyone involved in the JeffCo sewer debacle deserves to rot in jail, but the prosecution of Gov. Siegleman, is extremely troubling to say the least. And the people crying "vote fraud!" ahead of the investigation deserve a swift kick in the nads. Especially Artur Davis.
 
2012-09-01 12:15:17 AM  
D'oh! and by "voter fraud" I meant "election fraud".
 
2012-09-01 04:04:09 AM  
The number that makes them angry isn't 130%. It's 81%. "Black people voting? Nobody believes they'd put their crack pipes down long enough to do that."

When you accept the premise that black voters are fraudulent by definition, 81% makes you hysterical.
 
2012-09-01 04:08:15 AM  
And this is how Obama got elected.
 
2012-09-01 04:19:06 AM  

JustGetItRight: zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?

See my previous posts. Because most of the time nobody cares. The counties are small and removed from population centers. There's little access to even a simple thing like high speed internet. When the state was predominately democratic (which was until 2010 in the legislature), the state leaders didn't care because the locals were going to vote for them no matter what. Now that the state leaders are all Republican and don't care because the locals (a) aren't going to vote for them and (b) aren't enough to matter.

Here's a 2002 story from the area. Note that a county with a population of 11,000 had four times the number of absentee ballots cast as Tuscaloosa county, which has a population of 77,000.

Put yeah, I know. Systemic voter fraud isn't real. It is all about the man keeping people down.


"Small county in Alabama."

"Systemic voter fraud" (with clear implication that it happens everywhere--well except for good honest GOP districts of course)

Uh huh.

So. Some people commit crimes with guns. Therefore...

*outrage supernova*
 
2012-09-01 04:36:16 PM  

thrgd456: And this is how Obama got elected.


In 2008, John McCain won in Alabama by a fairly wide margin (1,264,879--60.4% to 811,764--38.8%), earning its 9 electoral college votes. How exactly did that help Obama get elected?

Link
 
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