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(Gadsden Times)   Alabama town has 130% voter turnout. It would have been 160%, but they caught several hundred people voting twice   (gadsdentimes.com) divider line 162
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2012-08-31 12:49:09 PM
Registration fraud is almost entirely the result of people being paid per registration. Outfits that collect registrations are required to submit all forms. If someone draws wieners and wipes their arse with the form by law the form must still be submitted to the state.

Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Jim Crow laws were effectively racist.
Voter ID laws are effectively racist.

/That about cover it?
 
2012-08-31 12:51:49 PM

bootman: Registration fraud is almost entirely the result of people being paid per registration. Outfits that collect registrations are required to submit all forms. If someone draws wieners and wipes their arse with the form by law the form must still be submitted to the state.

Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Jim Crow laws were effectively racist.
Voter ID laws are effectively racist.

/That about cover it?


Yup. There is a coalition in this country that wants to re-fight the sixties.
I'm not sure why they think they can win now, when they lost when the numbers favored them far more.
 
2012-08-31 12:52:36 PM
Black people voting frightens me. I commend the author for misrepresenting the data, insinuating voter fraud, the pointing out the population is mostly black and votes democratic. This is a national tragedy.
 
2012-08-31 12:53:33 PM
Uniontown. No need to say more, amirite?
 
2012-08-31 12:54:04 PM
Only thing good to come out of Gadsen
are the bass fish in Guntersville lake.
 
2012-08-31 01:03:25 PM

jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?


The voter fraud that appears to have occurred here? What do you mean prosecute what?
 
2012-08-31 01:35:45 PM

rumpelstiltskin: I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.


There are exactly 0 hillbillies in the city of Uniontown. Further, you can count the entire hillbillie population of Perry county on one hand.

Voter fraud in that part of Alabama is simply a way of life. There have been numerous prosections, but it never gets better because that's how it has been done for decades.

Here's you a little story for background. The Tinker woman mentioned in it was later convicted.

Every time I read libs say that voter fraud isn't real, I want to send them to west Alabama. They would probably come back a Republican.

Pants full of macaroni!!: There are Democrats in Alabama?


See above. Uniontown and Perry county is entirely democratic.

aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy


Absentee fraud is the usual way. There have been election results for other cities in that area where greater than 75% of the ballots cast were absentee.

bootman: Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.


Not when everyone's doing it. All it takes is a few people voting a few dozen times each to sway smaller elections and yes, that has happened.

Again, I know the fark libs simply refuse to believe it happens but it does. Here's the real kicker. A great number of Republicans in Alabama do not give a shiat about the areas involved. The population numbers of the entire counties don't equal single polling place numbers in larger metro areas. Perry, for example, has a population of about 10,000. They aren't a threat to influence the outcome of any statewide election and they aren't going to elect any Republican locally.

The losers are the locals who really want honest government and sadly, when someone tries to do something about it they're labeled a racist.

Nice. Very, very nice.
 
2012-08-31 02:00:05 PM

JustGetItRight: bootman: Vote fraud is like counterfeiting pennies. It costs a campaign more to get votes via fraud (make the pennies) than to buy ads (not spending money on making pennies) and the penalties make it just stupid.

Not when everyone's doing it. All it takes is a few people voting a few dozen times each to sway smaller elections and yes, that has happened.

Again, I know the fark libs simply refuse to believe it happens but it does. Here's the real kicker. A great number of Republicans in Alabama do not give a shiat about the areas involved. The population numbers of the entire counties don't equal single polling place numbers in larger metro areas. Perry, for example, has a population of about 10,000. They aren't a threat to influence the outcome of any statewide election and they aren't going to elect any Republican locally.

The losers are the locals who really want honest government and sadly, when someone tries to do something about it they're labeled a racist.

Nice. Very, very nice.


Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

I mean, except people who lie about their home address, like Gov. Romney's lie that he was living in his son's unfurnished basement when he voted for Sen. Scott Brown?
 
2012-08-31 02:09:24 PM

JustGetItRight: Every time I read libs say that voter fraud isn't real, I want to send them to west Alabama. They would probably come back a Republican.


I'm pretty sure they don't actually make you get a lobotomy to move to Alabama.
 
2012-08-31 02:09:40 PM
"We feel that it is time now to bring a Selma-type or Birmingham-type movement to bear on the economic problems confronting the poor people of our nation. And when I say poor people I'm not only talking about black people, I'm aware of the fact that there are a poor people on a large scale in the Puerto Rican community, I'm talking about the Mexican-American community, I'm talking about the Indian community, I'm talking about the Appalachian white community, I'm talking about poor people's power. That is what is needed."

Notice how he didn't say "hillbilly".
 
2012-08-31 02:11:15 PM
Wait. I'm confused. I thought voter fraud never, ever, ever happened in the history of mankind and that's why the voter ID laws were stupid?

Also, what's this nonsense?
"Last year, former U.S. Rep. Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who subsequently left the Democratic Party, said he should have supported a voter ID law while he served in Congress.

Davis said as an African-American politician, he had without any evidence "lapsed into the rhetoric of various partisans and activists who contend that requiring photo identification to vote is a suppression tactic aimed at thwarting black voter participation.

"The truth is that the most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community, at least in Alabama, is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," he wrote in an op-ed piece.

Davis said he has heard vote peddlers brag about their activities and has been asked to pay for it. He said fraudulent voting "cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights - that's suppression by any light."


Now that's just crazy talk. No wonder he quit the Democratic Party. Everyone knows that voter fruad is a myth and never, ever, actually happens. And that the ONLY possible reason to want Photo IDs is to keep black folk from voting.

Someone needs to tell that mostly black, mostly democratic town that they are messing up the narrative.
 
2012-08-31 02:12:32 PM

CodeRedEd: EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

Exactly! Look how it has completely wiped out underage drinking. It would work just as effectively for voting fraud. Thank you Republicans! Thank you.


Imagine there were a law prohibiting you from asking for someone's ID before selling them alcohol.

Then imagine claiming that no underage folks were buying alcohol because none of them had been caught trying to buy it.
 
2012-08-31 02:12:51 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Wait. I'm confused. I thought voter fraud never, ever, ever happened in the history of mankind and that's why the voter ID laws were stupid?

Also, what's this nonsense?
"Last year, former U.S. Rep. Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who subsequently left the Democratic Party, said he should have supported a voter ID law while he served in Congress.

Davis said as an African-American politician, he had without any evidence "lapsed into the rhetoric of various partisans and activists who contend that requiring photo identification to vote is a suppression tactic aimed at thwarting black voter participation.

"The truth is that the most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community, at least in Alabama, is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," he wrote in an op-ed piece.

Davis said he has heard vote peddlers brag about their activities and has been asked to pay for it. He said fraudulent voting "cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights - that's suppression by any light."


Now that's just crazy talk. No wonder he quit the Democratic Party. Everyone knows that voter fruad is a myth and never, ever, actually happens. And that the ONLY possible reason to want Photo IDs is to keep black folk from voting.

Someone needs to tell that mostly black, mostly democratic town that they are messing up the narrative.


So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?
 
2012-08-31 02:14:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


How is your flags of the Caribbean research coming along?
 
2012-08-31 02:16:10 PM

bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.


Go to those counties and you'll change your mind.

Here's an example. In Ms. Tinker's case, the circuit judge assigned the case (Marvin Wiggins) was her BROTHER. He squashed subpoenas and search warrants and even refused to recuse himself from the case until removed by order of the state supreme court.

Link

Here's a story from back in 2008. You''ll note that the reports of fraud came from federal observers.

It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

A Republican prosecutor trying to do something about it has no chance. The cases are tried before judges that are in the club and he will be branded a racist for even trying.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:13 PM

aug3: USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.


Really? That's weird. At least in img1.fark.net, there are no such requirements.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:59 PM

zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?


Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group woul blatant voter fruad be an acceptable activity?

Also, did you happen to miss the page 3 and 4 quote from a Black Democrat who explicitely stated that he had been offered fraudulent votes to help him win an election? I only ask because it was right there in my post.
 
2012-08-31 02:19:24 PM
To be fair, its black voters, and some people consider them 2/3rds people anyway, so it was only around 80-something percent turn-out.
 
2012-08-31 02:20:27 PM

GranoblasticMan: aug3: USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.

Really? That's weird. At least in [img1.fark.net image 54x11], there are no such requirements.


A quick search of the Googles shows that Alabama has the same requirements you listed, though.
 
2012-08-31 02:20:43 PM

Cataholic: Imagine there were a law prohibiting you from asking for someone's ID before selling them alcohol.

Then imagine claiming that no underage folks were buying alcohol because none of them had been caught trying to buy it.


See my post above for a trivial way to find out how much impersonation is happening even when IDs are not checked. Short version:

Go find someone listed as having voted in that election, who didn't.
Or someone who got turned away or prosecuted because the pollworkers thought they'd already voted, who didn't.
 
2012-08-31 02:24:03 PM

bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

I mean, except people who lie about their home address, like Gov. Romney's lie that he was living in his son's unfurnished basement when he voted for Sen. Scott Brown?


That's another pet peeve I need to develop a copypasta for, address security.

Any ID requirement that requires that the address on the ID matches the registration address is there to suppress votes from college students and people who move a lot (i.e. the poor).

The address one gives DMV isn't any more secure or verified than the one one gives to the Board of Elections. Possibly less so (at least the BOE sends you mail, the DMV may not, depending).
 
2012-08-31 02:27:28 PM

zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?


See my previous posts. Because most of the time nobody cares. The counties are small and removed from population centers. There's little access to even a simple thing like high speed internet. When the state was predominately democratic (which was until 2010 in the legislature), the state leaders didn't care because the locals were going to vote for them no matter what. Now that the state leaders are all Republican and don't care because the locals (a) aren't going to vote for them and (b) aren't enough to matter.

Here's a 2002 story from the area. Note that a county with a population of 11,000 had four times the number of absentee ballots cast as Tuscaloosa county, which has a population of 77,000.

Put yeah, I know. Systemic voter fraud isn't real. It is all about the man keeping people down.
 
2012-08-31 02:33:59 PM

JustGetItRight: zarberg: So maybe you can explain why a single mostly-black, mostly-democratic town in Alabama would commit individual voter fraud on such a large scale as to have it be obvious beyond reason that something was amiss?

See my previous posts. Because most of the time nobody cares. The counties are small and removed from population centers. There's little access to even a simple thing like high speed internet. When the state was predominately democratic (which was until 2010 in the legislature), the state leaders didn't care because the locals were going to vote for them no matter what. Now that the state leaders are all Republican and don't care because the locals (a) aren't going to vote for them and (b) aren't enough to matter.

Here's a 2002 story from the area. Note that a county with a population of 11,000 had four times the number of absentee ballots cast as Tuscaloosa county, which has a population of 77,000.

Put yeah, I know. Systemic voter fraud isn't real. It is all about the man keeping people down.


To be fair, ID requirements don't help absentee ballot fraud at all.

Why haven't losing candidates sued over this stuff? Around here any hint of shenanigans (real or not) has candidates' lawyers going over ballots, registrations, etc.

Then again, if the State government is in on it (as per your earlier post) then there's nothing that CAN be done, short of tying it to civil rights in some way and calling in the Feds I suppose.
 
2012-08-31 02:43:17 PM

JustGetItRight: It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.


So then why when the Bush administration charged the US Attorneys to investigate voter fraud where they unable to find this out, yet some guy on the internet is an expert?
 
2012-08-31 02:43:35 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: To be fair, ID requirements don't help absentee ballot fraud at all.

Why haven't losing candidates sued over this stuff? Around here any hint of shenanigans (real or not) has candidates' lawyers going over ballots, registrations, etc.

Then again, if the State government is in on it (as per your earlier post) then there's nothing that CAN be done, short of tying it to civil rights in some way and calling in the Feds I suppose.


I wish like hell I knew how to fix it.

Your right. In the case of west Alabama, id laws won't do one single thing to change the situation because the folks at the polling places and the clerk handing out absentee ballots are in on the fraud.

There have been legal cases, but they'll be heard by the local circuit judge. As a link I posted earlier shows, you won't find any justice there. Wiggins only stepped aside in the Tinker case because he was about to get removed from the bench. He probably should have been anyhow, but that would have been another case of those mean racists at work.

Whenever the feds and/or state level law enforcement gets involved, it gets much better. Read the 2002 story and compare what happened in the 1990s and mid 2000s when folks were looking. The simple answer is you can't devote the resources to be there every single time the polls open so when the heat is up, they simply lay low and wait for the storm to pass.

It is simply a different world that someone from the outside can't grasp.
 
2012-08-31 02:46:55 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group woul blatant voter fruad be an acceptable activity?

Also, did you happen to miss the page 3 and 4 quote from a Black Democrat who explicitely stated that he had been offered fraudulent votes to help him win an election? I only ask because it was right there in my post.


A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.

Also, explain how the voter ID laws and such being proposed over the last half-year would stop this sort of crime. If the people are doing it without IDs, how is making them have something that's easy to acquire is going to stop this supposed voter fraud.
 
2012-08-31 02:50:08 PM

BSABSVR: JustGetItRight: It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

So then why when the Bush administration charged the US Attorneys to investigate voter fraud where they unable to find this out, yet some guy on the internet is an expert?


You know, there are some very informed people on the internet.

I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.

In the whole of Alabama, there probably isn't a big fraud problem but in the counties covered by this story (Total population roughly 60,000 in a state of almost 5 million) it is very, very real.

Sorry if that doesn't fit your particular political views.
 
2012-08-31 03:17:56 PM

JustGetItRight: I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.


What you are talking about is more properly called election fraud. Voter fraud is when a voter does something illegal. Election fraud is when a vote counter does something illegal. Election fraud is not addressed by the Voter ID laws being put into place all over the country but since it can actually have a major impact on election anyone worried about our elections should be worried about election fraud. The fact that most Republicans go on and on about voter fraud without a peep about election fraud shows where their real priorities lie.
 
2012-08-31 03:18:04 PM

zarberg: A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.


So... you didn't answer any of the questions.

Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group would blatant voter fraud be an acceptable activity?

And as for motive, I believe the answer can be found in my post which you quoted.

Here's a hint: A Black Democrat reported being offered votes for sale in a largely black and democratic district.Even before this obvious tampering.

Maybe you could address those questions?
 
2012-08-31 03:25:18 PM

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: A crime has to have a motive, right, what's the motive here? What do these people gain by committing voter fraud so egregiously as to attract national attention? It surely can't be individuals, because that's just off-the-charts statistically, to have a town where the majority of people commit voter fraud when the proven statistical rates elsewhere are orders of magnitude lower. If it's not individuals, it's not voter fraud, it's election fraud.

So... you didn't answer any of the questions.

Can you clarify your point? Are you concerned that black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do or are you concerned that someone OTHER than black democrats gamed the system so badly that it was obvious how easy it is to do?

For which group would blatant voter fraud be an acceptable activity?

And as for motive, I believe the answer can be found in my post which you quoted.

Here's a hint: A Black Democrat reported being offered votes for sale in a largely black and democratic district.Even before this obvious tampering.

Maybe you could address those questions?


No, I can't clarify my point. I'm sorry if you don't get that there is such a statistically low rate of voter fraud that you're more likely to know someone who got struck by lightning than someone who committed voter fraud. (and you're free to debunk the Brennan Center as some sort of anti-right agency, but please provide peer-reviewed statistical proof refuting what they've said)

I'm not concerned that black democrats gamed the system because there is no evidence of large groups of anyone committing voter fraud.

Voter fraud is an unacceptable activity anywhere.

There, I've answered your questions.

Now I'll ask you one ... do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?
 
2012-08-31 03:25:18 PM

odinsposse: JustGetItRight: I've posted links documenting everything I've said. I've even said that voter ID laws won't fix west Alabama's problem.

What you are talking about is more properly called election fraud. Voter fraud is when a voter does something illegal. Election fraud is when a vote counter does something illegal. Election fraud is not addressed by the Voter ID laws being put into place all over the country but since it can actually have a major impact on election anyone worried about our elections should be worried about election fraud. The fact that most Republicans go on and on about voter fraud without a peep about election fraud shows where their real priorities lie.


You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.
 
2012-08-31 03:27:15 PM

JustGetItRight: You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.


If it's such a problem that a Farker like you is so easily aware of it, I'm sure you can cite evidence to show this?
 
2012-08-31 03:38:47 PM

zarberg: do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?


Do you know that neither is acceptable? And have you thrice missed the fact that A Black Democrat complained about being offered fraudulent VOTES for sale? FYI, widespread voter fraud and election fraud produce the same results.
 
2012-08-31 03:45:28 PM

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: do you know TFA almost certainly describes election fraud and not voter fraud?

Do you know that neither is acceptable? And have you thrice missed the fact that A Black Democrat complained about being offered fraudulent VOTES for sale? FYI, widespread voter fraud and election fraud produce the same results.


I'm completely aware neither are acceptable. Do you know that it is impossible for you (or anyone) to offer statistical proof that VOTER fraud happens more than .005% of the time, despite what "A Black Democrat" did?

And no, widespread voter fraud and election fraud don't produce the same results, because widespread voter fraud doesn't exist. No matter how scared you are of it, it simply doesn't. No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I'm more than happy to see any improvements on laws, or new laws, that would target ELECTION fraud, because it's a horrible thing, but to my knowledge, none of the proposed laws in any state at any time in the past few years target ELECTION fraud because it's already very illegal with severe punishments.

I suppose we could make election fraud double secret illegal with an extra harsh slap on the wrist in addition to the other punishments, though. Would that make you happy?
 
2012-08-31 03:47:19 PM

zarberg: JustGetItRight: You're right of course that the west Alabama situation is more accurately election fraud. There are numerous cases of voter fraud in the same area (one idiot went on a local news broadcast and bragged on how he got $20 for his vote) but if those instance were the only problem there wouldn't really be a problem.

If it's such a problem that a Farker like you is so easily aware of it, I'm sure you can cite evidence to show this?


Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link
 
2012-08-31 03:51:13 PM

JustGetItRight: Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link


Out of the first five links I clicked, 3 were editorials or letters to the editor, and two were news stories talking about an "official" meeting on voting fraud where people shared anecdotal evidence and one that talked about people's anecdotal evidence.

That's some good sleuthin' there.
 
2012-08-31 04:03:37 PM

zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.


I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

And anytime it looks like there MIGHT be voter fraud, it's not ACTUALLY voter fraud, because witnesses and people explainingit, or people who have been offered fraudulent votes, or people who have testified to being compensated for voting and anything like that doesn't count. Especially when you make sure not to have any system by which it COULD be counted.

That's why stories like this are so bothersome. I really wish these people engaging in rampat voter and election fraud would get with the program. If they keep it up with all this voter fraud, people are going to start thinking that voter fruad might actually be happeneing!

And then where would we be?
 
2012-08-31 04:08:17 PM

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

And anytime it looks like there MIGHT be voter fraud, it's not ACTUALLY voter fraud, because witnesses and people explainingit, or people who have been offered fraudulent votes, or people who have testified to being compensated for voting and anything like that doesn't count. Especially when you make sure not to have any system by which it COULD be counted.

That's why stories like this are so bothersome. I really wish these people engaging in rampat voter and election fraud would get with the program. If they keep it up with all this voter fraud, people are going to start thinking that voter fruad might actually be happeneing!

And then where would we be?


The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, > 1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.
 
2012-08-31 04:15:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: No matter how much you hate places that provide statistical evidence from every accessible legal source, you can't provide any fact-based evidence to prove they're wrong.

I know right? See what I said at the begining. This makes no sense, because we all know that no voter fraud has ever occered ever in the history of mankind. That's why there is no valid reason to have common-sense photID laws, because it just doesn't happen.

Common sense? Don't be ridiculous. This thread has been about election fraud and none of it would be prevented with Voter ID laws. If you're so concerned why are you clinging tp a solution that just adds a useless layer of bureaucracy and doesn't address the problem?

 
2012-08-31 04:21:20 PM

zarberg: JustGetItRight: Guess you missed the stories I linked to above. Here are some google results. You can follow the stories yourself. Just stick with the mainstream media ones and you'll find the same theme over and over again.

Link

Out of the first five links I clicked, 3 were editorials or letters to the editor, and two were news stories talking about an "official" meeting on voting fraud where people shared anecdotal evidence and one that talked about people's anecdotal evidence.

That's some good sleuthin' there.


Nevermind. I've posted links to actual legal proceedings. I've posted links to court cases that resulted in convictions. I just posted a widely cast google net that contains a great deal of mainstream media stories if you're willing to go past the first page.

You clearly don't want to see the actual truth that there's rampant election fraud in western Alabama and has been for decades.
 
2012-08-31 04:21:57 PM

zarberg: The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, >1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.


The even funnier part is where you think that's the point.

Or is it where you think that is a counter argument. That must be why we have no laws against murder, since it so rarely occurs and all.

(Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.
 
2012-08-31 04:24:42 PM

BojanglesPaladin: zarberg: The funniest part of all this is how you still haven't provided any evidence of widespread (I'll be generous here, >1% population) voter fraud anywhere in the USA.

The even funnier part is where you think that's the point.

Or is it where you think that is a counter argument. That must be why we have no laws against murder, since it so rarely occurs and all.

(Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.


the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?
 
2012-08-31 04:38:54 PM

skullkrusher: (Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.

the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?


Well, also the fact that voter fraud is already illegal with rather severe punishments, but hey, let's make it even more illegal.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:27 PM

Arkanaut: jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?

The voter fraud that appears to have occurred here? What do you mean prosecute what?


What voter fraud? There has been no voter fraud here that anyone knows of.
 
2012-08-31 05:14:17 PM

JustGetItRight: bootman: Everyone is doing it? Bullshiat. There is nothing that GOP Atty. Gens. would love more than to prosecute people for vote fraud.

Go to those counties and you'll change your mind.

Here's an example. In Ms. Tinker's case, the circuit judge assigned the case (Marvin Wiggins) was her BROTHER. He squashed subpoenas and search warrants and even refused to recuse himself from the case until removed by order of the state supreme court.

Link

Here's a story from back in 2008. You''ll note that the reports of fraud came from federal observers.

It is every bit as rampant as I described because everyone from the local mayors to the county sheriffs and circuit judges are in on the game. An outsider has no chance.

A Republican prosecutor trying to do something about it has no chance. The cases are tried before judges that are in the club and he will be branded a racist for even trying.


Again, I call bullshiat. If the GOP was really concerned about in person voter fraud they would not be exclusively implementing effectively racist fixes that just happen to benefit themselves.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:04 PM
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What a vote counting instructor might look like.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:05 PM

zarberg: skullkrusher: (Hint) 4.8 per 100,000 people is less than 1% of the population.

the motivation to solve a problem which is not a problem is the question. I don't see an issue with the idea of voter ID itself (assuming getting and ID is free and simple enough). Question is, why now?

Well, also the fact that voter fraud is already illegal with rather severe punishments, but hey, let's make it even more illegal.


doubleplus illegal works. don't knock it
 
2012-08-31 05:50:08 PM
Er, I voted tuesday in Alabama. We had to show ID. So what does that mean about this story?
 
2012-08-31 06:27:46 PM

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


You have missed all the Diebold threads?
 
2012-08-31 06:56:02 PM
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