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(Gadsden Times)   Alabama town has 130% voter turnout. It would have been 160%, but they caught several hundred people voting twice   (gadsdentimes.com) divider line 162
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2012-08-31 11:46:24 AM  

EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


It's easy to spot without checking IDs, if you feel like reading this long post.

I can only speak to the procedure in NC, where there is not a Voter ID law (yet, we'll have one when we get a Republican governor this election). I do suspect most places have ways to detect when people vote twice, which is all you need...

Here, all the "Authorization To Vote" forms issued are scanned after the election, so the county board knows who (strictly speaking, which registrations) voted in the election. (Early and absentee voting is added to this database). This information is part of the voter registration, which is public record.

Likewise, absentee voters are marked as such in the Big Book O'Names, and said names are removed when the ATV is issued on Election Day. So we can immediately spot if someone (the same registration) tries to vote twice or vote early and on Election Day. (We had a dumbass Morrisville Town Council candidate try this in 2011).

Anyone can go to the State BOE website and see which elections a particular voter is recorded as having voted in.

Therefore, if there was some epidemic of undetected voter impersonation, there would be an equal and opposite epidemic of people getting busted trying to vote twice. (Or people listed as having voted who did not).

Want to find evidence of voter impersonation? Go find people listed as having voted, who didn't vote or don't exist.

/I should copypasta this instead of writing something like it every thread
 
2012-08-31 11:47:09 AM  
* There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!
 
2012-08-31 11:48:45 AM  
EnviroDude should go suck a tail pipe. Go the fark away you dolt.
 
2012-08-31 11:49:08 AM  

eraser8: * There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!


Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.
 
2012-08-31 11:50:41 AM  
I had a feeling this was an intentionally deceptive headline designed to make dumbfarks like EnviroDeuche say something stupid before reading the article.
 
2012-08-31 11:51:32 AM  
2010 census data for Untiontown census district was 3,508. I don't know how big a census district is, but if two thirds of the population is voting age, 2,147 people in Uniontown proper would give a 100% voter turnout.

3,508 people at 66% would be 2,334 people of voting age, meaning 61% voter turnout.

I think they just don't have their census numbers right...
 
2012-08-31 11:52:19 AM  

jso2897: eraser8: * There's a mass shooting.

Republican response: No more gun control laws! Just enforce the laws already on the books. In fact, let's make it easier to get guns!

* There's a suspiciously convenient case in which the vote totals seems unusual.

Republican response: More vote control laws! The ones already on the books aren't working. Even though they caught the "problem." In fact, let's make it harder to vote!

Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.


Pretty much. If there was a concerted effort to get the political left and minorities trained with guns and armed (something I have thought about and continue to try to drum up support for) the Republicans would start stumping on gun control laws so fast your head would spin. Of course, they wouldn't be "gun control laws", merely "attempting to keep guns out of the hands of criminals", who by an astonishing coincidence are all black, latino or live in Democratic districts.
 
2012-08-31 11:53:36 AM  

error 303: I think they just don't have their census numbers right...


TFA quietly suggests that could be the case, too, before it barrels on ahead full-steam with the right-wing propaganda.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:49 AM  
Census fraud! I knew it!
 
2012-08-31 11:54:54 AM  

jso2897: Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.


I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

Something tells me they wouldn't be nearly as sanguine as they've been when redneck teabaggers act that way.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:59 AM  

Headso: wow, never saw envirodude post more than once in a thread! disenfranchising people must be very important to him


Depends on if he remembers his alts.
i1062.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-31 11:57:01 AM  

eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.


I now dearly want both of these things to happen.
 
2012-08-31 11:57:55 AM  
Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy
 
2012-08-31 11:58:09 AM  

EnviroDude: Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


Absentee ballots. Ooops.
 
2012-08-31 12:00:08 PM  

zarberg: EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.


That's funny... I sometimes lie awake and hope that a gamma ray burst will destroy all of humanity.

What one man fears in the night, is another girls paradise.

/It's our best hope, send us all to the stars and hope a good man's dna starts us over somewhere else...
 
2012-08-31 12:00:22 PM  

odinsposse: eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

I now dearly want both of these things to happen.


I think that would be awesome. The GOP would shiat their pants so fast and so much, present day John McCain would look continent.
 
2012-08-31 12:00:28 PM  
Davis was excoriated for leaving the Democratic Party and was called a bitter loser after falling in the 2010 Alabama Democratic gubernatorial primary to a white.

That's an old timey kinda sentence...
 
2012-08-31 12:01:25 PM  

Fart_Machine: cmunic8r99: I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.

Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.

Wow someone read the article. Let's see how much Derp about how IDs would have prevented this continues.


Continue onto the next page.
There were 1140 Over 18 years of age, and 1431 Votes.

There could be a problem. But as stated there could be many explanations such as an under-count of minorities, or simply an issue of city lines and district lines being different (people living outside the city lines may still be districted to vote inside the city lines)
 
2012-08-31 12:01:48 PM  
rumpelstiltskin I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.

www.uniontownal.org
Uniontown City election manager Alfreda Washington

Aye, she looks like a real grit redneck alright.
But you aren't wrong about her not doing her job properly. From another article with more information: Perry County Board of Registrars chairwoman Lucy Kynard said that 279 of the town's registered voters were "removable" due to being dead or having been convicted of felonies.

That would be the "hillbilly county clerk" catching this woman attempting to let dead people vote, just in case you aren't smart enough to follow that.
 
2012-08-31 12:02:44 PM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


This was either a case of massive fraud on the side of the ballot takers, massive incompetence on the side of the ballot takers, or a GOP that's so butthurt that they'll invent a scandal (the most likely scenario). ID's won't prevent any of that.
 
2012-08-31 12:04:43 PM  
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-08-31 12:06:02 PM  
Republican's only engage in fraud that ID's can't prevent.

Link
 
2012-08-31 12:06:23 PM  

Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]


Was your post intended to show how stupid the anti-Obama brigade is?

Or, was it intended to show you stupid you are?
 
2012-08-31 12:06:29 PM  

truthseeker2083: That's funny... I sometimes lie awake and hope that a gamma ray burst will destroy all of humanity.

What one man fears in the night, is another girls paradise.

/It's our best hope, send us all to the stars and hope a good man's dna starts us over somewhere else...


"This could be our last night on Earth ... "

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-31 12:08:00 PM  

aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy


Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.
 
2012-08-31 12:08:40 PM  

zarberg: EnviroDude: They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.

As long as we're talking about fearing the unknown, are you scared of the Boogeyman, too?

I lie awake at night scared that a gamma ray burst will wipe out all of humanity.


I plan on cutting off my own testicles just to make sure I don't ever get ball cancer, so I completely understand where EnviroDude is coming from.
 
2012-08-31 12:09:26 PM  

EnviroDude: PC LOAD LETTER: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

They caught it. The laws work. You can chase the voter fraud that you say isn't caught like you chase invisible people in the sky for their approval.

They caught it this time. How many times isn't it caught. Presenting ID is an easy way to thwart fraud.


Exactly! Look how it has completely wiped out underage drinking. It would work just as effectively for voting fraud. Thank you Republicans! Thank you.
 
2012-08-31 12:10:12 PM  

eraser8: Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]

Was your post intended to show how stupid the anti-Obama brigade is?

Or, was it intended to show you stupid you are?


I think it's just spam for politifake.org
 
2012-08-31 12:12:00 PM  
ALL FRAUD IN VOTING IS BY PEOPLE IN THE PARTIES AND GOVERNMENT.

Sure, somebody somewhere is voting on someone else's tab because they know the other person never votes so yea, that's easy enough. But that pales in comparison to the corruption of the caretakers of the vote.

Think about how passionate people here get about who wins or not. You don't think that affects everyone in the chain of the voting system? Sure it does. Even more-so because they care enough to be involved in it while you only jabber about it. And they "do things" about it because it's all about the survival of our country and systems of beliefs. People die for that. You don't think losing a box of ballots or fudging some counts is likely?
 
2012-08-31 12:16:35 PM  

cmunic8r99: I_Am_Weasel: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

Yes. I'm sure that's the case here. I'm sure it couldn't possibly some election fraud shenanigans to offer of proof of widespread voter fraud. I mean, there is no possible way that 130% voter turnout could be the result of some sort of orchestrated effort. It was all done by individuals, acting of their own accord.

Or the headline is fiction:

Republicans reacted with statements calling for better election security after The Gadsden Times reported the number of voters registered in Uniontown equaled 130 percent of the town's 2010 population of 1,775. Nearly 81 percent of the town voted.


Maybe Gadsden is a magical town where 17 year olds get to stay 17 forever and there's never any new residents moving into town after the census is taken.
 
2012-08-31 12:17:03 PM  

odinsposse: eraser8: I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

I now dearly want both of these things to happen.


I don't. The body-count would be rather high, and the shiat-storm that followed would be terrible to behold
 
2012-08-31 12:17:23 PM  
The only thing worse that realizing you've stumbled into a troll thread is realizing it's full of nothing but B-listers.
 
2012-08-31 12:18:53 PM  
And it begins

i135.photobucket.com 

Republicans are so scared of illegal Mexicans voting ?
So a person trying to stay off the grid, the first thing they do is go register to vote?

Bunch of scared little people
 
2012-08-31 12:19:05 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: aug3: Uniontown had 1,140 people over the minimum voting age of 18. Tuesday, 1,431 votes were cast for mayor and almost the same number for city council positions, according to complete but unofficial results.

650 absentee ballots for the election
that smells fishy

Why? I have voted by absentee my entire life, and I don't know why anyone wouldn't.


The percentage of absentee voters seems really high.
here are my absentee voting requirements. I can't just stroll in and vote whenever,
1.Out of the county or the state or the municipality on Election Day.
2.Physically incapacitated and not able to vote in person on election day.
3.Work a required workplace shift which has at least ten (10) hours that coincide with the polling hours at regular polling place.
4.A student at an educational institution located outside the county of permanent residence and therefore unable to vote at usual polling place on election day.
5.Member of, or a spouse of a member of, the armed forces of the United States or otherwise entitled to vote by absentee pursuant to the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act, 42 U.S.C. 1973ff.
 
2012-08-31 12:20:40 PM  

varmitydog: rumpelstiltskin I'll bet some hillbilly county clerk divided by 3/5ths instead of multiplied.

[www.uniontownal.org image 180x225]
Uniontown City election manager Alfreda Washington

Aye, she looks like a real grit redneck alright.
But you aren't wrong about her not doing her job properly. From another article with more information: Perry County Board of Registrars chairwoman Lucy Kynard said that 279 of the town's registered voters were "removable" due to being dead or having been convicted of felonies.

That would be the "hillbilly county clerk" catching this woman attempting to let dead people vote, just in case you aren't smart enough to follow that.


It was a joke, you humorless git.
 
2012-08-31 12:23:31 PM  

Lumpmoose: I have no problem with Voter ID in principle but the problem is I don't trust YOU.


This.
 
2012-08-31 12:23:59 PM  

Ennuipoet: Would this even be a story if the town were predominately white and Republican? I ask merely for information.


If it were a white town the 81% turnout would be proof of the high degree of patriotic among that demographic.
 
2012-08-31 12:25:29 PM  

EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals


done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!
 
2012-08-31 12:26:30 PM  

Brick-House: [cdn.motinetwork.net image 589x523]


We get it. Obama's black.
 
2012-08-31 12:33:42 PM  

eraser8: jso2897: Well Republicans aren't afraid of guns (in white hands) - they are afraid of the voters.

I've often wondered how Republicans would have reacted to thousands of blacks marching on Washington during the Bush years, angrily noting that "they'd left their guns home...this time."

Or, how would they react to dozens -- or, even hundreds -- of militias of blacks training with legal assault weapons and honing their combat skills as a warning to the conservative establishment.

Something tells me they wouldn't be nearly as sanguine as they've been when redneck teabaggers act that way.


Based on their reaction to the latest iteration of the Panthers, who are basically upper-middle class black college kids engaged in cosplay, they would freak the F**k out.
 
2012-08-31 12:36:35 PM  
So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.
 
2012-08-31 12:37:43 PM  

Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.


...and I just realized how stupid that sounds.
 
2012-08-31 12:37:53 PM  

Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.


Prosecute what?
 
2012-08-31 12:38:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


How is talking to yourself these days?
 
2012-08-31 12:39:23 PM  

jso2897: Arkanaut: So, they must have the rolls of who voted, right? Probably addresses too? Should be simple to prosecute.

Prosecute what?


Never mind.
 
2012-08-31 12:39:37 PM  

born_yesterday: The only thing worse that realizing you've stumbled into a troll thread is realizing it's full of nothing but B-listers.


Hey we take offense to that.
 
2012-08-31 12:40:41 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!


But you are completely wrong and the article and thread prove that. How is that fun for you?
 
2012-08-31 12:45:58 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: tenpoundsofcheese: EnviroDude: because voter fraud NEVER happens if you listen to the FARK liberals

done in one.
came here to hear the rationalizations.
fun to watch.
keep spinning!

But you are completely wrong and the article and thread prove that. How is that fun for you?


Look at it from his perspective. If, in fact, this is evidence of "voter fraud", and this voter fraud is rife in every town in America (voters on the rolls almost invariably exceed the number of actual voters), then "voter fraud" is a real problem, and we need to waste lots of time passing voter suppression laws the courts will toss. He seems to think that is something we should be doing.
 
2012-08-31 12:47:02 PM  

odinsposse: Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.


I don't think we can even assume registration fraud, just poor database maintenance. Between understaffing, incompetence, and the (actually laudable) goal of not purging voters that might still be out there, voter rolls are inevitably full of voters that have either died or moved. Can't speak for AL, but in SE PA suburbs, I can attest that the rolls have at least 10% deceased/moved voters based on canvassing results. In low income areas like inner cities the numbers were MUCH higher because people move so often.
 
2012-08-31 12:49:05 PM  

It all made sense at the time: odinsposse: Oh, voter registration fraud. Not the same, subtard.

I don't think we can even assume registration fraud, just poor database maintenance. Between understaffing, incompetence, and the (actually laudable) goal of not purging voters that might still be out there, voter rolls are inevitably full of voters that have either died or moved. Can't speak for AL, but in SE PA suburbs, I can attest that the rolls have at least 10% deceased/moved voters based on canvassing results. In low income areas like inner cities the numbers were MUCH higher because people move so often.


They also contain some duplicates caused by people changing affiliation, and the rolls not being updated in a timely fashion.
 
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