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(Belfast Telegraph)   Videocameras to be installed in Derry taxis to protect drivers from false rape allegations -- "A lot of drivers will not work at night because of fears of being attacked but the biggest fear is of being falsely accused of rape"   (belfasttelegraph.co.uk) divider line 142
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2012-08-31 12:37:54 AM
Duh.

Rape is one of those crimes you don't have to prove. An attack you can fight off. A murder scene will have evidence pointing to the killer. But rape? All you need is someone to point a finger and it's guilty until the allegations are publicly recanted. Even then...


Plus, in today's language the word still carries the stigma it did 30 years ago, but the definition is so fuzzy almost anything can be called rape in the papers. Most definitely a good idea to have cameras.
 
2012-08-31 03:47:56 AM
Protip:

If you're black, install one of these and go visit the South.

Profit.
 
2012-08-31 03:50:42 AM
Derry? Fark rape allegations, it's the goddamn clowns in drains ya gotta worry about.
 
2012-08-31 03:50:53 AM
I still say the punishment for a false accusation should be as harsh as actually committing it...
 
2012-08-31 03:51:24 AM
It wasn't rape, it was a misunderstanding. He asked me if I was enjoying the fine Derry air, and, well, you can kind of guess what happened.
 
2012-08-31 03:53:18 AM
This kind of thing is becoming more common all the time. A lot of guys in college are getting consent videos from girls before sex, because all she has to do is change her mind the next day, and his arse is in jail.

/Waiting for prosecutors to start going after false rape accusers.
 
2012-08-31 03:53:25 AM
We need a stupid button.
 
2012-08-31 03:55:50 AM

The Muthaship: We need a stupid button.


Why?

Is it because you plan to post again?
 
2012-08-31 03:56:12 AM
Overall I think the risk is overblown, as the taxi drivers bodies would resist legitimate false rape allegations.
 
2012-08-31 03:56:50 AM

Crazymuthafarker: Derry? Fark rape allegations, it's the goddamn clowns in drains ya gotta worry about.


You'll be fine, you big baby. Everything floats down there.
 
2012-08-31 03:57:29 AM
Why don't false rape accusers get prison time equal to those actually guilty of rape? Oh yeah, I forgot, women never, ever lie about that sort of thing.
 
2012-08-31 03:58:08 AM

doglover: Rape is one of those crimes you don't have to prove. An attack you can fight off. A murder scene will have evidence pointing to the killer. But rape? All you need is someone to point a finger and it's guilty until the allegations are publicly recanted. Even then...


If you've ever been through a false allegation, it can wreck your life completely - if not professionally, but psychologically. And it's very, VERY easy for people to believe what they want, rather than the actual facts of the event, when it's a he-said, she-said event. (In my case, 18 and fresh out of high school with no history of a criminal record or violence, the girl I lost my virginity to. The only thing that saved me was getting the girl recorded calling my parents, offering to drop the charge if they paid her two grand, AND her mother coming out and telling investigators she had done this before where she lived in Michigan.)

I fully support this, to be honest, now that the technology is mature and cheap. At the private service I part time for, all of our drive-cams have a clear shot at the back patient compartment, and can record events when the panic buttons are triggered. Even then, men need to know to remove themselves from certain situations if possible, and never be alone with someone who is unstable, manipulative, or someone who has actually been victimized.

The sad thing is that false rape allegations do occur as a way to get revenge on someone, and rarely are the accusers ever prosecuted for their crime, because of the fear of driving off people who really were raped from reporting their attack.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:03 AM

Crazymuthafarker: Derry? Fark rape allegations, it's the goddamn clowns in drains ya gotta worry about.


Dammit. I came to make the obvious joke.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:33 AM

robohobo: Why don't false rape accusers get prison time equal to those actually guilty of rape?


If a person comes forward and admits they made up the rape charge, they are not prosecuted. The reason is that they don't want to discourage people from coming forward and admitting their lie, which jail time would do. It's not necessarily gender-based, a man who lied about being raped would be protected from prosecution as well.

I'm not sure why this one crime is treated so differently, since if I lied about a robbery, or a murder, or tax evasion, I would certainly get jail time for it. But that is the reason given.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:57 AM
Hopefully they install them in the cabs in Londonderry as well...
 
2012-08-31 04:01:33 AM
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2012-08-31 04:03:04 AM
And now for something completely different.


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2012-08-31 04:03:24 AM

iollow: robohobo: Why don't false rape accusers get prison time equal to those actually guilty of rape?

If a person comes forward and admits they made up the rape charge, they are not prosecuted. The reason is that they don't want to discourage people from coming forward and admitting their lie, which jail time would do. It's not necessarily gender-based, a man who lied about being raped would be protected from prosecution as well.

I'm not sure why this one crime is treated so differently, since if I lied about a robbery, or a murder, or tax evasion, I would certainly get jail time for it. But that is the reason given.


Well, men are evil and women are angels above reproach, obviously. Even sadder, so many men white knight the shiat out of it.
 
2012-08-31 04:03:33 AM

robohobo: Why don't false rape accusers get prison time equal to those actually guilty of rape? Oh yeah, I forgot, women never, ever lie about that sort of thing.


Mainly because it's catch-22 situation. Most of the women who do that ensure that it's a he-said, she-said case where their credibility is more important than actual forensic evidence, and prosecutors and cops are hesitant to be portrayed as hostile to rape victims, because there is a huge problem with rapes not being reported in the first place.

No one wants to be the one to make rape victims afraid to come to the authorities because they think they're going to be labeled a false reporter.
 
2012-08-31 04:05:02 AM

doglover: And now for something completely different.


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Great Wilson Fisk story. I've read it several times.
 
2012-08-31 04:06:33 AM

Apos: doglover: And now for something completely different.


[i345.photobucket.com image 680x1023]

[i345.photobucket.com image 656x1024]

Great Wilson Fisk story. I've read it several times.


I was looking for something for this thread, then I saw the kingpin getting raped. Now I need a drink.
 
2012-08-31 04:11:16 AM

doglover: Apos: doglover: And now for something completely different.


[i345.photobucket.com image 680x1023]

[i345.photobucket.com image 656x1024]

Great Wilson Fisk story. I've read it several times.

I was looking for something for this thread, then I saw the kingpin getting raped. Now I need a drink.


Heh....Understood. It's brutal fare,for sure,but that's to be expected in Punisher MAX publications.
 
2012-08-31 04:14:53 AM

BronyMedic: If you've ever been through a false allegation, it can wreck your life completely


Not legally, but personally. That was a mindfark.

If someone actually forced you to do something against your will, would you continue hanging out with them for the rest of that day, including a meal?
 
2012-08-31 04:17:16 AM
Whatever happened to that poor victim that was raped by those duke lacross players?

/biatch ruined those poor guys lives
 
2012-08-31 04:21:22 AM
Obvious tag.

For young single guys who have the occasional encounter with someone they've only known for a short time, I suggest discretely putting the phone on audio record next to the bed/couch/pool table. You can delete it later if/when it turns out she's not a next-week regret accuser.
 
2012-08-31 04:21:28 AM

kareninsf: Whatever happened to that poor victim that was raped by those duke lacross players?

/biatch ruined those poor guys lives


Hopefully karma..had it's way with her.

/I mean raped
 
2012-08-31 04:22:05 AM

kareninsf: Whatever happened to that poor victim that was raped by those duke lacross players?

/biatch ruined those poor guys lives

25.media.tumblr.com

agrees with you.

 
2012-08-31 04:23:57 AM
doglover: Duh.

Rape is one of those crimes you don't have to prove. An attack you can fight off. A murder scene will have evidence pointing to the killer. But rape? All you need is someone to point a finger and it's guilty until the allegations are publicly recanted. Even then...

You mean male-on-female rape. The converse is still laughed off in today's society.
 
2012-08-31 04:32:42 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: You mean male-on-female rape. The converse is still laughed off in today's society.


How can a woman rape a man?

I need you to answer....

In detail....


Slowly....

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-08-31 04:34:18 AM

Diogenes The Cynic: The Muthaship: We need a stupid button.

Why?

Is it because you plan to post again?


That, and this:

Insatiable Jesus: Protip:

If you're black, install one of these and go visit the South.

Profit.

 
2012-08-31 04:35:24 AM
You know, if men stopped raping women, a lot of these problems could be avoided.
 
2012-08-31 04:41:56 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Obvious tag.

For young single guys who have the occasional encounter with someone they've only known for a short time, I suggest discretely putting the phone on audio record next to the bed/couch/pool table. You can delete it later if/when it turns out she's not a next-week regret accuser.


Could be not helpful.

A guy in NZ a couple of years ago was accused of rape. LUCKILY for himself he had recorded the consensual sexual encounter. So, he got off on the rape charges.

UNLUCKILY for him, recording the sex without permission of the other party was illegal. So he got convicted for that.

/They had him coming and going
//Ba-dum-tish 
///I think it was gay sex so no evil women were involved, fark misogynists
 
2012-08-31 04:42:03 AM

steerforth: You know, if men stopped rapping raping women, a lot of these problems could be avoided.

 

FTFY
 
2012-08-31 04:45:29 AM

steerforth: You know, if men stopped raping women, a lot of these problems could be avoided.


If women stopped lying about rape, a lot of these problems could be avoided.

Hell, if humans stopped lying in general, we wouldn't even need a legal system.
 
2012-08-31 04:46:41 AM

if_i_really_have_to: NLUCKILY for him, recording the sex without permission of the other party was illegal. So he got convicted for that.


Well, a) in the U.S. it is legal to audio record without consent IF you are present in the room and a part of the conversation. and b) The potential penalty for audio recording without consent is about one 1000th as serious as rape. (I have to believe that is true in NZ as well) So choose your poison.

So record away.
 
2012-08-31 04:49:54 AM

steerforth: You know, if men people stopped raping women people, a lot of these problems could be avoided.


Yeah, we really should have a sit down talk with those rapists, by golly. Then we'll have a nice heart to heart with serial killers and armed robbers over a cold beer. Maybe it will help if we sing kumbaya later. *faceplam*

Until then I'll keep locking my doors at night, thanks.
 
2012-08-31 04:52:38 AM

doglover: Bomb Head Mohammed: You mean male-on-female rape. The converse is still laughed off in today's society.

How can a woman rape a man?

I need you to answer....

In detail....


Slowly....

[static.guim.co.uk image 381x500]


Just because you are aroused, does not mean you consent. For instance, a married man who would never cheat could be tied down at gunpoint and rubbed upon by 3 hot college girls, and ... mmm....

...

...

sorry, I forgot what I was saying.
 
2012-08-31 04:53:43 AM
Ha ha.
 
2012-08-31 04:54:12 AM
www.goodecattle.com

What dairy rape may look like.


/Derry?
//Ah, I see.
///Never mind!
 
2012-08-31 04:55:15 AM
The woman-haters are so easy to troll.
 
2012-08-31 04:55:31 AM

doglover:
Rape is one of those crimes you don't have to prove. An attack you can fight off. A murder scene will have evidence pointing to the killer. But rape? All you need is someone to point a finger and it's guilty until the allegations are publicly recanted.


Yeah, just like fraud, theft, robbery, and similar crimes where consent is the sole difference between legality and illegality.

Mind you, it's only rape where there's a loud group arguing that people bringing accusations should be judged guilty of making a false report unless they prove their innocence.


Plus, in today's language the word still carries the stigma it did 30 years ago, but the definition is so fuzzy almost anything can be called rape in the papers. Most definitely a good idea to have cameras.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:09 AM

BronyMedic: doglover: Rape is one of those crimes you don't have to prove. An attack you can fight off. A murder scene will have evidence pointing to the killer. But rape? All you need is someone to point a finger and it's guilty until the allegations are publicly recanted. Even then...

If you've ever been through a false allegation, it can wreck your life completely - if not professionally, but psychologically. And it's very, VERY easy for people to believe what they want, rather than the actual facts of the event, when it's a he-said, she-said event. (In my case, 18 and fresh out of high school with no history of a criminal record or violence, the girl I lost my virginity to. The only thing that saved me was getting the girl recorded calling my parents, offering to drop the charge if they paid her two grand, AND her mother coming out and telling investigators she had done this before where she lived in Michigan.)

I fully support this, to be honest, now that the technology is mature and cheap. At the private service I part time for, all of our drive-cams have a clear shot at the back patient compartment, and can record events when the panic buttons are triggered. Even then, men need to know to remove themselves from certain situations if possible, and never be alone with someone who is unstable, manipulative, or someone who has actually been victimized.

The sad thing is that false rape allegations do occur as a way to get revenge on someone, and rarely are the accusers ever prosecuted for their crime, because of the fear of driving off people who really were raped from reporting their attack.


Well, I've noted this- the legal system has almost NO consequences for making false allegations. There's some that exist on paper, but on a practical level, not really. For one, the consequences of actually getting convicted of filing a false police report or perjury are much, much lighter than what happens to a person who gets falsely convicted.

But more to the point, it's impractical to convict them at all, unless the story is patently false AND you can prove malicious intent. Now there's a catch-22 here- a sly person doing this to be manipulative or profit would never be so obvious as to document their plan. It'd take a crazy person who, like, is in public and talks to people about how awesome they're gonna make up a false rape story, while being recorded on a cellphone video- yet this occurring would be so stupid as to promote leniency based on the person not being of sound mind.

Note that simply lacking evidence to prove a rape beyond a reasonable doubt does not, in any way, itself establish that the "victim" was lying. The legal standard to prove that is a different thing, it's VERY VERY high. The legal system really does have a bias in this area, because any threat of consequences for false accusations would likely frighten away legitimate victims who are believed to often be too scared to file charges in the first place.
 
2012-08-31 05:05:08 AM

steerforth: The woman-haters are so easy to troll.


How is it women hating to point out that false accusations of rape, and the associated weight of the legal system, have been used to hurt men in the past for various reasons, and have harmed immensely the cases of women who HAVE been raped?

I'm sorry. I forgot. This is FARK. Common sense and reason are not allowed. We must unquestioningly believe in the benevolence of women, and the predatory nature of men.

scranton.mylittlefacewhen.com

/by the way, remind me again why we have a culture which holds that only men can rape women or other men, and that men cannot be the victims of a female rapist?
 
2012-08-31 05:08:22 AM

Oznog: Note that simply lacking evidence to prove a rape beyond a reasonable doubt does not, in any way, itself establish that the "victim" was lying. The legal standard to prove that is a different thing, it's VERY VERY high. The legal system really does have a bias in this area, because any threat of consequences for false accusations would likely frighten away legitimate victims who are believed to often be too scared to file charges in the first place.


No, and I wouldn't make that claim at all, because it's offensive to state that because there is no physical evidence that a rape did occur, that it actually didn't. There are many rapes where the only evidence that is left is the victim herself.

But you're right. There is a bias there to let false accusations "disappear" rather than bring consequences against the accuser his or herself.
 
2012-08-31 05:08:28 AM

BronyMedic: If you've ever been through a false allegation, it can wreck your life completely - if not professionally, but psychologically. And it's very, VERY easy for people to believe what they want,


Been through it in a different way some 7 years ago. A formerly close female friend, and occasional partner of mine at the time, made a date rape accusation against another acquaintance in our circle of friends. Everyone, including myself believed her. The guy lost all his friends on the basis of lies. I didn't know him well, just by name and face really, but I believed her and was ready to extract justice myself. He was understandably freaking out and planning on leaving the country at age 22.

Long ugly story shortened, it turns out she invented the story as some sort of "test of her friends loyalty to her" or something like that. It apparently wasn't even supposed to be malicious (in her mind). It was never clear to me what exactly she meant by that. I was only tangentially involved, and still felt dirty and ashamed of the behavior of everyone involved, including my own.

Aside from the unimaginable hell that it put the guy through, the whole thing destroyed numerous years long friendships among people who weren't even directly involved. All this without ever even being an official charge brought to the to the police or courts.
 
2012-08-31 05:08:56 AM

Theaetetus: Mind you, it's only rape where there's a loud group arguing that people bringing accusations should be judged guilty of making a false report unless they prove their innocence.



Basically, it's my experience in life thus far that just about everyone bringing a claim to an authority who stands to gain anything has been lying. To me, about me, even on my behalf (without my consent, of course honestapplejack.jpg) The only time I've been arrested, it was over lies told by someone else about be and only a lot of money and luck made the problem go away.

So my experience is innocent people who DON'T commit misdemeanors deserve 100 days house arrest and daily breathalyzers. That's the sorry state of our horrible legal system. Letting just anyone waltz in and accuse people of RAPE without throwing the whole book and all the appendices at them? That doesn't sit well with me.

Basically, I've learned guilty until proven innocent is as empty a promise as "The check's in the mail."
 
2012-08-31 05:11:21 AM

Theaetetus:
Mind you, it's only rape where there's a loud group arguing that people bringing accusations should be judged guilty of making a false report unless they prove their innocence.


For example:

Oznog: Note that simply lacking evidence to prove a rape beyond a reasonable doubt does not, in any way, itself establish that the "victim" was lying. The legal standard to prove that is a different thing, it's VERY VERY high. The legal system really does have a bias in this area, because any threat of consequences for false accusations would likely frighten away legitimate victims who are believed to often be too scared to file charges in the first place.

 
2012-08-31 05:14:30 AM

Oznog: any threat of consequences for false accusations would likely frighten away legitimate victims


I don't believe this. I think it's one of those things someone thought was true and everyone just rolled with it rather than doing any fact checking.

Are there studies that support this trope?
 
2012-08-31 05:14:56 AM

Theaetetus: Mind you, it's only rape where there's a loud group arguing that people bringing accusations should be judged guilty of making a false report unless they prove their innocence.


Really, tell us more about something that no one in this thread has said.
 
2012-08-31 05:17:50 AM

BronyMedic: steerforth: The woman-haters are so easy to troll.

How is it women hating to point out that false accusations of rape, and the associated weight of the legal system, have been used to hurt men in the past for various reasons, and have harmed immensely the cases of women who HAVE been raped?

I'm sorry. I forgot. This is FARK. Common sense and reason are not allowed. We must unquestioningly believe in the benevolence of women, and the predatory nature of men.

[scranton.mylittlefacewhen.com image 320x320]

/by the way, remind me again why we have a culture which holds that only men can rape women or other men, and that men cannot be the victims of a female rapist?


I'm offended by your implication that Derpy Hooves/Ditzy Doo is a rapist.
 
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