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(PokerFuse)   The party of personal responsibility,unrestricted free market and libertarian freedoms want to ban online poker because casino owners like Sheldon Adelson pay them lots of money   (pokerfuse.com) divider line 50
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2012-08-30 02:35:58 PM
Government small enough to fit in a uterus and a laptop.
 
2012-08-30 02:43:48 PM
This is one of the things that both democrats and republicans need to back off of. 
 
2012-08-30 02:45:45 PM
Oh, yay! Thank you Citizens United!!
 
2012-08-30 03:02:10 PM
Cronyism? In my GOP?
 
2012-08-30 03:03:13 PM
SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2012-08-30 03:38:00 PM
They can legislate all the morality they want as long as they LOWER MY TAXES!!!!
 
2012-08-30 03:38:15 PM
Has anyone played on FanDuel yet? I'm just doing free games to see if it's winnable.
 
2012-08-30 03:38:24 PM
I would wager that this Adelson sharp is a real snake-eyes for doubling down while using house money... aw fark it.
 
2012-08-30 03:41:49 PM
I'm actually kind of surprised this one doesn't fall under "Things Jesus (and therefore Republicans) Hates".
 
2012-08-30 03:42:24 PM
Just google search for Sheldon Adelson and:

- Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
- money laundering

Guy needs to DIAF.
 
2012-08-30 03:42:58 PM
Sheldon Adelson is made out of marshmallow fluff
static3.businessinsider.com
Your argument is invalid
 
2012-08-30 03:43:50 PM

James!: This is one of the things that both democrats and republicans need to back off of.


Indeed.

The problem is you've got the moral righties against the sin of gambling and the moral lefties trying to protect people from the addiction of gambling.

Then you have rich asshole republicans who profit more when things like this are shut down.

The real force to be reckoned with is online transfers of money. Our system is woefully corrupt and monopolistic. Huge banks and interchange firms control the system. If you could crack that nut, nothing would stand in online gambling's way, nor other innovative enterprises.
 
2012-08-30 03:43:53 PM
It's a "free market" until it hurts THEIR income.
 
hej
2012-08-30 03:48:19 PM
"The Internet must be made safe for children."

No, no it mustn't. How about not giving your "child" a farking credit card.
 
2012-08-30 03:48:21 PM
This one -really- bugs me. Just a blatant example of both the group with more money getting what they want and a small minority group (poker players) getting turned into criminals... even if it does wind up legalized, it'll be because big casinos spent enough, and the "legalization" will probably be limited to sites run by those casinos.

And I really hope, if laws are eventually relaxed, it doesn't wind up in a "states can do what they want" indeterminate place, where some states allow their residents to gamble on sites run from within the state, some leave it illegal, or whatever like wine shipping. Just legalize it nationally, for US-run sites that are properly audited and comply with IRS reporting, dammit!

What I don't get is this: Shouldn't pretty much everyone find a reason to support legalizing it, bringing it on shore, regulating and *taxing* it? Safer games, more government revenue, people getting to do what they want, safely and legally. Heck, even the morality cries against gambling don't hold, since it's a game of skill and, over the long haul, luck has little to do with success.
 
2012-08-30 03:50:39 PM
To be fair, I doubt it's just Sheldon Adelson giving money to stop online poker

/the Indian tribes are probably dumping lots into it, too
 
2012-08-30 03:52:11 PM
The Current GOP are not:

#1 Fiscally Conservative
#2 For Free Markets
#3 Against National Debt
#4 For Personal Freedom

Instead they are: Bible Pounders and Profiteers
 
2012-08-30 03:52:37 PM

MurphyMurphy: Sheldon Adelson is made out of marshmallow fluff
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Your argument is invalid


In that picture, his head looks more like an unpopped zit. Stand behind him and clap your hands together on his temples, and you can spray chunky pus all over whoever he's facing. Lots of laughs, always be the life of the party, until you squeeze a little too hard and *whoosh* out pops his brain.
 
2012-08-30 03:53:35 PM
Republicans are for smaller government and less regulation right up to the point where campaign dollars flow into the coffers. Imagine if republicans the so called party of free markets didn't every single time rubber stamp approval of the mergers of cable, cellular, and phone companies. Instead of having duopolies that mutually agree to raise prices and not improve service we could have actual competition like they have in Europe and Japan where phone and internet service is both cheaper and better than it is in the US because of competition.

To bad there any republicans in favor of that.
 
2012-08-30 03:53:38 PM

SFSailor: This one -really- bugs me. Just a blatant example of both the group with more money getting what they want and a small minority group (poker players) getting turned into criminals.


that's just it. poker players outnumber the casino owners. they just don't have the money to purchase the lawmakers like the casino owners do.
 
2012-08-30 03:57:19 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: To be fair, I doubt it's just Sheldon Adelson giving money to stop online poker

/the Indian tribes are probably dumping lots into it, too


And probably the entire state of Nevada, including Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...
 
2012-08-30 04:00:52 PM

Citrate1007: The Current GOP are not:

#1 Fiscally Conservative
#2 For Free Markets
#3 Against National Debt
#4 For Personal Freedom



#5 For small government
 
2012-08-30 04:01:12 PM
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I thought I recognized him.
 
2012-08-30 04:02:01 PM

bdub77: Just google search for Sheldon Adelson and:

- Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
- money laundering

Guy needs to DIAF.


That's why he's pumping so much money into the Rmoney campaign's coffers. He needs a friendly Justice Department that's willing to look the other way on the money-laundering and other shady dealings he's working through his casinos in Macau. If Obama wins, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he flees the country within days to somewhere without an extradition treaty.
 
2012-08-30 04:07:48 PM
So last night at the convention when the Republicans announced they were pro-internet, this is what they really meant?
 
2012-08-30 04:07:51 PM

James!: This is one of the things that both democrats and republicans need to back off of.


This is one of the reasons I wish Barney Frank weren't retiring. He regularly submitted bills trying to stop this crap.
 
2012-08-30 04:10:27 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: To be fair, I doubt it's just Sheldon Adelson giving money to stop online poker

/the Indian tribes are probably dumping lots into it, too


"Are the tribes concerned about online gambling?"

"No, but they definitely have reservations."
 
2012-08-30 04:10:39 PM

Katolu: It's a "free market" until it hurts THEIR income.


Pretty much.

Republicans have never wanted a true free market.
 
2012-08-30 04:19:17 PM

dualplains: MaudlinMutantMollusk: To be fair, I doubt it's just Sheldon Adelson giving money to stop online poker

/the Indian tribes are probably dumping lots into it, too

"Are the tribes concerned about online gambling?"

"No, but they definitely have reservations."


Ugh
 
2012-08-30 04:21:23 PM
I don't know much about online poker sites. Do they pay taxes of any sort?
 
2012-08-30 04:23:08 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Citrate1007: The Current GOP are not:

#1 Fiscally Conservative
#2 For Free Markets
#3 Against National Debt
#4 For Personal Freedom
#5 For small government


#6 Represent Family Values
#7 Protect the Middle Class
 
2012-08-30 04:23:47 PM

MurphyMurphy: Sheldon Adelson is made out of marshmallow fluff
static3.businessinsider.com
Your argument is invalid


It's nice to see cave dwellers involved in politics.

/He may never have seen the sun, but I'm sure he has heard about it.
 
2012-08-30 04:39:52 PM
The party of personal responsibility,unrestricted free market and libertarian freedoms wants to ban online poker because casino owners like Sheldon Adelson pay them it lots of money 

/You're welcome
 
2012-08-30 04:46:19 PM
Paying off politicians to increase your profits isn't bootstrappy?
 
2012-08-30 04:52:03 PM

Cletus C.: I don't know much about online poker sites. Do they pay taxes of any sort?


They are all in tax free countries.
 
2012-08-30 04:52:18 PM

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I thought I recognized him.



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2012-08-30 05:08:47 PM

mcreadyblue: Cletus C.: I don't know much about online poker sites. Do they pay taxes of any sort?

They are all in tax free countries.


So they have something in common with Romney's bank accounts and shell corporations?
 
2012-08-30 05:11:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: I'm actually kind of surprised this one doesn't fall under "Things Jesus (and therefore Republicans) Hates".


Err, don't Republicans generally love everything Jesus hates (like moneychangers, rich people, false prophets) and hate everything he loves (helping the poor, being excellent to everyone)?
 
2012-08-30 05:15:54 PM

MurphyMurphy: Sheldon Adelson is made out of marshmallow fluff
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Your argument is invalid


Funny, I was just about to point out that he's made entirely of suet:

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2012-08-30 05:26:42 PM

Hobodeluxe: SFSailor: This one -really- bugs me. Just a blatant example of both the group with more money getting what they want and a small minority group (poker players) getting turned into criminals.

that's just it. poker players outnumber the casino owners. they just don't have the money to purchase the lawmakers like the casino owners do.


True, and a valid point, but not the perspective I meant: Poker players are just a tiny minority of *voters*, even if you stretch all the way to "people who play poker for chips with their family," or "sorta know the hand rankings." So, ain't no way we're ever going to get any consideration, *especially* in the face of all the money stacked against us. 

Toss in that poker players aren't ever going to be willing to kill or die for their cause (unlike other minorities, which historically leads to change and progress) and, well, I just hope at some point Big Money Casinos take on the Other Big Money Casinos and push for legalization. Not holding my breath.

Really, though, it *should* be one of those things where everybody can agree to part of the plan, get a little piece of something that benefits them, and moves through, but, alas....
 
2012-08-30 05:54:32 PM

SFSailor: Hobodeluxe: SFSailor: This one -really- bugs me. Just a blatant example of both the group with more money getting what they want and a small minority group (poker players) getting turned into criminals.

that's just it. poker players outnumber the casino owners. they just don't have the money to purchase the lawmakers like the casino owners do.

True, and a valid point, but not the perspective I meant: Poker players are just a tiny minority of *voters*, even if you stretch all the way to "people who play poker for chips with their family," or "sorta know the hand rankings." So, ain't no way we're ever going to get any consideration, *especially* in the face of all the money stacked against us. 

Toss in that poker players aren't ever going to be willing to kill or die for their cause (unlike other minorities, which historically leads to change and progress) and, well, I just hope at some point Big Money Casinos take on the Other Big Money Casinos and push for legalization. Not holding my breath.

Really, though, it *should* be one of those things where everybody can agree to part of the plan, get a little piece of something that benefits them, and moves through, but, alas....


Presumably the expected solution is for online casinos to outbribe the bricks and mortar casinos and get enough politicians behind their cause - free market politics at work.
 
2012-08-30 06:26:31 PM

Esc7: James!: This is one of the things that both democrats and republicans need to back off of.

Indeed.

The problem is you've got the moral righties against the sin of gambling and the moral lefties trying to protect people from the addiction of gambling.

Then you have rich asshole republicans who profit more when things like this are shut down.

The real force to be reckoned with is online transfers of money. Our system is woefully corrupt and monopolistic. Huge banks and interchange firms control the system. If you could crack that nut, nothing would stand in online gambling's way, nor other innovative enterprises.


Bitcoins have cracked that nut. check out weusecoins.com or bitinstant.com for info.

And sealswithclubs.eu is online poker dealing exclusively in bitcoins.
 
2012-08-30 06:51:10 PM
As much as I would love to dump shiat on Sheldon "Israel Uber Alles' Adelson, the casinos have been flooding both parties with cash over this one.
 
2012-08-30 09:00:16 PM
The Repubs have never been the party of personal responsibility,unrestricted free market and libertarian freedoms. Never. Well, maybe in the early 1800s.
 
2012-08-31 12:19:05 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: They can legislate all the morality they want as long as they LOWER MY TAXES!!!!


Do you make over $200K?
 
2012-08-31 03:51:13 AM
It doesn't matter.

Both sides are equally bad, and I'm sure there's an identical anecdote that addresses the exact same actions by the Democrats. Because both sides are equally bad. I don't know, I learned it on Fark somewhere down the line. Give me 10 bucks.
 
2012-08-31 05:05:26 AM
I don't know much about online poker sites. Do they pay taxes of any sort?

Yes. Of course where permitted, they will base themselves in locations where the tax is very low; but increasingly countries have point-of-consumption taxes (i.e. if you deal a poker hand to someone in France, then you need to pay a tax on the rake collected from that player to the French tax man).

To give an example, market leader PokerStars is based in the Isle of Man, where they pay a very low (i believe sub 2%) tax on gross gaming *revenue* (GGR - nb this is not profit). However, they also hold licenses and pay tax in Spain (~25% GGR), France (~40%!), Italy (30%), Denmark (20%), Estonia (~15%) and Belgium (11%). Soon there will be point of consumption taxes in UK by 2014, and possibly in Germany, Netherlands and Russia.

The point is, wherever possible all of the mainstream poker sites will choose to operate in legal white-market countries with proper licenses, accreditation, and all the tax bills that go with it. There are 50+ licenses issued in Spain, Denmark, France, Italy etc.

A contemporary example: There will be online poker rooms in Nevada by the end of the year, legal and white-market, to residents of Nevada and tourists. iirc the gaming revenue tax is about 5% (very low for the industry, but still an excellent way to generate revenue, some of which can go towards correct regulation, player protection, protection of the young and vulnerable, etc).

Full disclosure: I'm co-editor of the site linked in the OP and came across this thread through analytics :) I used to be a fark member many moons ago. Good to be back!
 
2012-08-31 05:05:36 AM
Online poker DROVE the boom in las vegas card rooms. so many kids who would never have been able to afford to compete built up online bankrolls and use those to visit las vegas.
 
2012-08-31 09:55:45 AM

bdub77: Just google search for Sheldon Adelson and:

- Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
- money laundering

Guy needs to DIAF.


What, buying a President to call off the Justice Department to protect the billions you made by bribing influencing Chinese politicians with millions is wrong?

Dude, it's ultimately a moral crusade! It shouldn't be illegal to bribe foreigners so an American can make money. It's practically patriotic. It's about freedom and spreading capitalism to poor people who don't understand how it works yet. 

I'm still working on how the rest of that argument goes but, Sheldon, if you need someone to whitewash your pardon, I'm available for a fee.
 
2012-08-31 03:16:51 PM
Another stupid uncalled for hypocritical pledge to ban something that nobody really gives a sh*t about.

Awesome.
 
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