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(Daily Mail)   After 5-year old son with a penchant for wearing dresses and skirts is picked on at school, father dons women's clothing in solidarity. "Long skirts with elasticated waistbands suit me quite well anyway"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 444
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2012-08-30 11:36:29 PM
His aunties approve also...

www.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-08-30 11:50:39 PM
This affects me as much as gay marriage does.
 
2012-08-31 12:10:02 AM

Silentbob768768: Just want to say that I love my kilts...swing low swing free...

/looks Damn good in a Kilt


Every guy I've seen wearing a kilt or skirt-like apparel walked with a certain confidence that most pants-wearing guys don't seem to have. Confidence gives you "hawt" points. And honestly, who doesn't like seeing a nice pair of gams?
 
2012-08-31 12:10:03 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: chaosweaver: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chaosweaver: People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.

Yeah, you should support your children and not give them any insight into why they shouldn't be blind supporters of nazis, republicans or nambla either. Maybe you should let them fark the family dog or cat, or set them on fire if that's what they feel drawn too, right? Let them be free!!!!

Reality check.. kids go through farked up stages of ignorance and brutality. It's the parents' job to educate them, and get them in sync with reality.

Funny, I just, in the same post you quoted from, talked about people taking things out of context to try and make some rediculous point.

Maybe that was the idea, and you're just trolling, if so, kudos to you, sir. Otherwise, I think you need to start relearning your reading comprehension.

Would it be reasonable to assume I have to read the 45 previous instances of your handle to get the context of that post? Newsflash, you're not that important. 

To reiterate, the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.


Why is he farked up? Because he's not doing what YOU think he should? That he's not conforming to what YOU think he should? Why are you getting your dick in a knot about it? Why should pieces of cloth determine what role in life a person should lead? Do you also think that women should stop wearing three-piece suits because those belong to men?

Jesus, two people in here equating letting a child wear what clothes he wants to giving him permission to mass murder and wanton destruction, and both frightened and disgusted over what they think is a horrible ungodly breach of some set-in-stone commandment about what clothing someone should wear.
 
2012-08-31 12:19:51 AM

chaosweaver: And again with the manufactured outrage. Always seems different when you're watching it happen to someone else. I'll give you credit, Pony Killer. You're still good.


Oh, you're going to deflect some more? That's fine. I have plenty of room on my ignore list for pointless trolls such as yourself.
 
2012-08-31 12:30:05 AM

someonelse: Brick-House: And no one thought to give counciling a try?

We don't know if any of the kids doing the bullying got counciling. Let's hope they did.


Counselling goddammit! Council is a group of people with a common interest be it government, business or charitable.
 
2012-08-31 12:52:48 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.


He isn't and they are.
 
2012-08-31 12:57:06 AM

WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.

He isn't and they are.


Very true, and it seems so many people are concerned for the child, yeah right.
 
2012-08-31 01:17:24 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.

He isn't and they are.

Very true, and it seems so many people are concerned for the child, yeah right.


They are concerned for the child. They're concerned about him not being exactly like everyone else and not conforming to what they think he should be. They feel frightened and threatened by a boy that wears girls' clothes, because it might reflect on their own masculinity. It's as much about themselves as it is about their view that the boy is damaged or being harmed in some way.

Notice that they refuse to answer the question of "How do you feel about women wearing men's clothes?".
 
2012-08-31 01:19:44 AM
As a very hetero-active male who enjoys skirts [not dresses, skirts] beause of the comfort. fark what others think. everything is abnormal somewhere. im comfortable, my gf doesnt care, and its not gonna make your kid suddenly crave dick.
 
2012-08-31 01:30:56 AM

vd61: As a very hetero-active male who enjoys skirts [not dresses, skirts] beause of the comfort. fark what others think. everything is abnormal somewhere. im comfortable, my gf doesnt care, and its not gonna make your kid suddenly crave dick.


but... but... but...

what If I get drunk and hit on you? that would make me feel weird.
 
2012-08-31 01:35:33 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.

He isn't and they are.

Very true, and it seems so many people are concerned for the child, yeah right.

They are concerned for the child. They're concerned about him not being exactly like everyone else and not conforming to what they think he should be. They feel frightened and threatened by a boy that wears girls' clothes, because it might reflect on their own masculinity. It's as much about themselves as it is about their view that the boy is damaged or being harmed in some way.

Notice that they refuse to answer the question of "How do you feel about women wearing men's clothes?".


Oh, I agree completely, people seem to get frightened when others break gender boundaries as it reflects on them somehow or another. I say let the kid be if kids pick on him well the kids that are picking on him deserve to be punished. The very real possibility is the child may be transgender but right now it doesn't matter let the kid be who he/she is and all good. The thing that really ticks my off with this thread is all the people saying well the kids gonna get picked on (and more) so he shouldn't go like that, well kids no mater what find someone to pick on. Say if a kid had a harelip would you tell them just don't go to school like that? I know really different but we don't know why this child whats to where dresses.
/Sorry rambling
//and can't believe this pic wasn't posted sooner
www.bestfrenchfilms.com
 
2012-08-31 01:38:41 AM
If dressing up in girls clothes is wrong then I don't want to be right.
 
2012-08-31 01:40:49 AM

Ghastly: If dressing up in girls clothes is wrong then I don't want to be right.


You could never be wrong :)
 
2012-08-31 01:48:29 AM
As a person who works in children's retail apparel sales and is very humanistic/libertarian/freethinking/whatever, I'm getting a kick out of this.

I personally wouldn't care if I had a son who wanted to wear dresses and a girl who wanted to only wear pants, or even just out-right male-ish clothing. So what if a child is ostracized by the people too scared to be different from their peers and on the fringes of social groups? The kid being different isn't causing the problems, it's the other kids (and their parents) who are all the same in their sheepish thinking that a child having deviant behavior and a father reinforcing is wrong.

How does it affect YOU if a dad decides he wants to indulge his son in what he enjoys? It's not hurting YOU. YOU may think it'll hurt this kid's development, but FRTFA, I gather this dad is very easy going and supportive of his son and will be there for him to guide him through whatever social trials they may endure. And the boy will grow up to be a tolerant, accepting, and loving individual.

In my store, it often disturbs me when I see a parent's reaction to their children's interest in items that aren't in line with gender stereotypes. Often times the parent's eyes bulge and I can see the horror in their thoughts that their little boy would like a girls' shirt, or maybe a tutu. Granted, I see so very little of girls expressing interest in boys items, but the few reactions I see aren't as horrifying. Because it's okay for girls to more masculine, but not for boys to be more feminine. *rolls eyes*

What really stumps me is the scare folks give themselves when worrying that their purchases aren't "girly" or "boyish" enough or too "girly" or too "boyish". You have people who want the girls they are shopping for to look like little girls full of innocence, but then you have people who want the boys they are shopping for to look like little men in their tiny baby khakis and polo tops and bodysuits.

Frankly, the amount of time and fear folks put into this kind of thought I find ridiculous. What is so bad about being different? If folks can't accept the boy's differences but he can accept your sameness, why is he the problem?

Get over it. Learn from it. Grow. Evolve. Progress. PLEASE! It is too much to ask?!

/same argument can be made for gay marriage
//and atheism
///hell, even hedonism
 
2012-08-31 02:12:26 AM
I just picture this guy pushing his kid to continue to wear dresses long after the kid has decided he was bored with dresses and wanted to wear suspenders and a bow tie.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:54 AM

I sound fat: vd61: As a very hetero-active male who enjoys skirts [not dresses, skirts] beause of the comfort. fark what others think. everything is abnormal somewhere. im comfortable, my gf doesnt care, and its not gonna make your kid suddenly crave dick.

but... but... but...

what If I get drunk and hit on you? that would make me feel weird.


blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-08-31 02:26:17 AM

DittoToo: I just picture this guy pushing his kid to continue to wear dresses long after the kid has decided he was bored with dresses and wanted to wear suspenders and a bow tie.


Why? Explain you're reasons. Dad's just being supportive IMHO.
 
2012-08-31 02:42:55 AM
Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
 
2012-08-31 04:02:17 AM
First, this kid should be sat down and have it explained that wearing a dress is not appropriate in school, as it is a distraction to teachers and children alike. He should also be made to understand that if he wants to dress like that he's going to get picked on and beat up and rightfully so.

Why is it that farkers reserve the use of the hero tag for the most antithetical behavior to heroism?
 
2012-08-31 04:13:42 AM

ssssmashing: if he wants to dress like that he's going to get picked on and beat up and rightfully so.


You are a sad excuse for a human being. I guess you're also of the opinion that a woman dressing proactively is going to get raped and rightfully so, yes?
 
2012-08-31 04:26:14 AM

Expolaris: jaylectricity: freedom

[celticwarriorkilts.com image 300x481]

There is a land where a mans balls may hang free and clear.

Conventions - Dragon*Con, Comic Con , etc. I let my boys swing with the wind while i'm rocking out with my geek out.

But seriously, good on the Dad for showing unwavering love for his kid. Even if this causes more teasing , the kid knows that he's always got his Dad to back him up. That's way more support than some transgendered adults get from their parents.


Well hello there...how you doin?
 
2012-08-31 04:40:17 AM
Looks like the kid's dad is following this guy's advice:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-31 08:05:50 AM

ssssmashing: as it is a distraction to teachers and children alike


Any teacher who is distracted by it, shouldn't be a teacher.
 
2012-08-31 09:09:04 AM
JackieRabbit SmartestFunniest 2012-08-30 05:06:57 PM


DmGdDawg: Hero tag? Try Dumbass tag.

A good father wouldn't let his five year old son dress like a girl at school or anywhere else.

You sound like a Snowflake Hopes and Dreams Crusher. Don't you know they are supposed to be allowed to express themselves anyway they desire and that the rest of the kids must suppress their natural and normal tendency to mock and tease those who behave strangely? Get with the program! This is 2012 and we are running out of time to pussify every man on the planet.




Pretty much
 
2012-08-31 09:53:10 AM

craig328: craig328: Part of being a dad is to impart a sense of self-esteem and independence to kids. But that's not the ONLY responsibility of dad. Sometimes dad needs to be the one that says "yeah son, I know you like wearing these things but see, chances are the other kids won't understand and they'll treat you kind of poorly for that. No, it's not fair but then again, life in general isn't. It's fine to have goals and aspirations and want to change the world but you also need to understand that there are a great many others who won't see it your way and who will have the equal freedom to pillory you for your actions".



As the father of a 5 year old who will occassionally wears the "pretty blue" princess dress from his schools dress up pile, what I'm hearing here is a father telling his son not to be who he is but to be who everyone else wants him to be, that way noone will ever have a reason to not like him.

I say let your kids be themselves and if one of the life lessons they learns is people don't like what's different, to me that's no different then learning jumping off the back of the couch can hurt. Also the article does say when the kid started wearing dresses they lived in a different town where noone cared. So is the lesson you want this kid to learn "Be yourself until your told to stop." ?
 
2012-08-31 10:06:39 AM

HeartlessLibertarian: pounddawg:

Our 5 year old picks out his own clothes.
/not an idiot

Yes you are an idiot, if you think we would believe that lie. If your 5 year old picked out his own clothes, he'd be going to school dressed as batman. And if you let your 5 year old pick his own clothes from the store (which you don't because you're lying) you'd be a terrible parent. Since you are a blatent liar you probally are a horrible influence on your child, and your child probably be as dumb as you and a plague on society as well. 5 Year olds are not old enough to pick out a wardrobe, they can't even dress themselves. So don't lie to us you pathetic liberal piece of garbage.


My 5 year old does go to school dressed as Batman also as Spider-Man. The cape, utility belt and web shooters stay home though.
 
2012-08-31 10:18:44 AM
Skimmed the article, and haven't read the thread. I suspect someone has already pointed this out.

I suspect that dad didn't start wearing dresses after the kid got teased. I'm pretty sure the dad was already a role model, dad was already wearing dresses, and that's why the kid wants to wear dresses.

Either way, whichever went first, dad wearing dresses in public is not going to stop the teasing.
 
2012-08-31 10:41:30 AM

FrozenChaos: craig328: craig328: Part of being a dad is to impart a sense of self-esteem and independence to kids. But that's not the ONLY responsibility of dad. Sometimes dad needs to be the one that says "yeah son, I know you like wearing these things but see, chances are the other kids won't understand and they'll treat you kind of poorly for that. No, it's not fair but then again, life in general isn't. It's fine to have goals and aspirations and want to change the world but you also need to understand that there are a great many others who won't see it your way and who will have the equal freedom to pillory you for your actions".


As the father of a 5 year old who will occassionally wears the "pretty blue" princess dress from his schools dress up pile, what I'm hearing here is a father telling his son not to be who he is but to be who everyone else wants him to be, that way noone will ever have a reason to not like him.

I say let your kids be themselves and if one of the life lessons they learns is people don't like what's different, to me that's no different then learning jumping off the back of the couch can hurt. Also the article does say when the kid started wearing dresses they lived in a different town where noone cared. So is the lesson you want this kid to learn "Be yourself until your told to stop." ?


No...now my lesson (to you) is: go check into adult remedial reading classes. Seriously. "What you're hearing" isn't what I wrote. I'd repeat myself but that would be me thinking a perfect plain, comprehensible statement crafted in, supposedly, a language we both share and are competent in understanding would somehow, through the magic of repetition, become more understandable to you. But we both know you'd fail reading comprehension the second time around as spectacularly as the first. So, it's not what I wrote that's causing you to fail to absorb the intent and content...it's something on your side.

Try again, go back, read it again. You'll still see what you want to see, most likely, so you probably won't bother. But then again, that level of incapacity and sloth is endemic here. You'll fit right in. And won't that be a touch ironic?
 
2012-08-31 10:48:39 AM

Silly Jesus: To you as an adult, weird is okay...BUT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT DECISION. To a kid, it's a life changer...and it's his/her life, not yours.If they want to be the outlier later on when they can decide that's what they want to be: cool. To set them on that path when they don't know well enough...well, as a parent, you pretty much suck.

You strike me as the type of parent who would try to "pray away the gay."


Yep. Because what I said totally equates to being a bible thumping homophobe faith healer, right? Have you always been that goddamned f*cking stupid or is this a recent event? I'm glad though that you managed to work a dig at religion in there though. That must have required a lot of effort and thought on your part to craft that gem of a shivering conversational riposte.

Good for you. Here's a cookie.
 
2012-08-31 11:05:59 AM

craig328: FrozenChaos: craig328: craig328: Part of being a dad is to impart a sense of self-esteem and independence to kids. But that's not the ONLY responsibility of dad. Sometimes dad needs to be the one that says "yeah son, I know you like wearing these things but see, chances are the other kids won't understand and they'll treat you kind of poorly for that. No, it's not fair but then again, life in general isn't. It's fine to have goals and aspirations and want to change the world but you also need to understand that there are a great many others who won't see it your way and who will have the equal freedom to pillory you for your actions".


As the father of a 5 year old who will occassionally wears the "pretty blue" princess dress from his schools dress up pile, what I'm hearing here is a father telling his son not to be who he is but to be who everyone else wants him to be, that way noone will ever have a reason to not like him.

I say let your kids be themselves and if one of the life lessons they learns is people don't like what's different, to me that's no different then learning jumping off the back of the couch can hurt. Also the article does say when the kid started wearing dresses they lived in a different town where noone cared. So is the lesson you want this kid to learn "Be yourself until your told to stop." ?

No...now my lesson (to you) is: go check into adult remedial reading classes. Seriously. "What you're hearing" isn't what I wrote. I'd repeat myself but that would be me thinking a perfect plain, comprehensible statement crafted in, supposedly, a language we both share and are competent in understanding would somehow, through the magic of repetition, become more understandable to you. But we both know you'd fail reading comprehension the second time around as spectacularly as the first. So, it's not what I wrote that's causing you to fail to absorb the intent and content...it's something on your side.

Try again, go back, read it again. You'll still se ...



I'll try again, but to me teaching your kids independence and self-esteem and then telling them they can't do something because the other kids at school might treat them poorly seems counter productive. Also I'm apparently dealing with socially underdeveloped 5 year olds because not once has anyone in my son's class been "beaten up", so I guess I don't have the "I'm dad and I'm saying no so you don't end up getting beaten up at school" excuse to fall back on.

So I don't think you can be independant and living if fear of being treated poorly at the same time. Of course at 5 that independance should be severaly limited, but not if the only limitation is the fear of being treated poorly or beaten up.
 
2012-08-31 11:41:24 AM
When my daughter was five her grandmother bought her one of those Disney princess dresses with the lace, tulle and shiny fabric. I had to take it away from her to keep her from wearing it to school.

Now she is 12, she went to school this morning wearing a white skirt, a Clash t-shirt and rainbow leg warmers.

Kids wear stupid stuff, get over it.
 
2012-08-31 11:52:39 AM

notdorothy: Now she is 12, she went to school this morning wearing a white skirt, a Clash t-shirt and rainbow leg warmers.


That is awesome but I have to imagine your 12 year old does not have a firm grasp of the early 80's geopolitical climate. Maybe a history book would be a good Christmas present.

Your kid rules.
 
2012-08-31 11:57:13 AM
I have raised her on the Clash, Ramones and a bunch of other 80's punk and rock. It's my way of fighting back against her dad's love of Dave Matthews and Jameriqui (did I spell that right?).

She knows all the words to London Calling. She want to sing it for the school talent show, but knows no one will get it, since all the other girls are singing Carrie Underwood.
 
2012-08-31 11:59:23 AM

notdorothy: I have raised her on the Clash, Ramones and a bunch of other 80's punk and rock. It's my way of fighting back against her dad's love of Dave Matthews and Jameriqui (did I spell that right?).

She knows all the words to London Calling. She want to sing it for the school talent show, but knows no one will get it, since all the other girls are singing Carrie Underwood.


That is awesome. To further indoctrinate her put The Minutemen on while she is sleeping.
 
2012-08-31 12:19:26 PM

Gunny Highway: That is awesome. To further indoctrinate her put The Minutemen on while she is sleeping.


I don't have to try too hard with her. Last year for Christmas she wanted a baseball mitt, a telescope and a book on finger printing. No telling what she will ask for this year.

She's a only a little different (compared to other kids in our stereotypical mid -west neighborhood), but she's mine and I love her.
 
2012-08-31 01:31:19 PM

notdorothy: I have raised her on the Clash, Ramones and a bunch of other 80's punk and rock. It's my way of fighting back against her dad's love of Dave Matthews and Jameriqui (did I spell that right?).

She knows all the words to London Calling. She want to sing it for the school talent show, but knows no one will get it, since all the other girls are singing Carrie Underwood.


Good on you for raising her right, but you still got knocked up by a douchebag.
 
2012-08-31 01:47:58 PM

WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.

He isn't and they are.


You just want it to be true...

Frankly, I think it's sad that you'd support parents who encourage their kids to live in a delusion just so you can avoid addressing the fact that you yourself have problems.
 
2012-08-31 02:22:33 PM

Silly Jesus: have taught them that anyone outside of a strict gender construct is "strange."


Sorry OP but it's not "strange" it's freaky weird and if you think the average person will ever think it's normal to let a little boy wear dressed you are wrong.

/And this is coming from someone on the left.
 
2012-08-31 02:37:21 PM
I guess I don't see what's "wrong" with a boy wearing a dress

/and I haven't read all the posts so if I'm missing something you can shoot me later
 
2012-08-31 03:26:51 PM
It's nice to know that Farkers only support tolerance in cases other than dirty crossdressers.

Thankfully gays and brown people are still okay.
 
2012-08-31 05:57:35 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You just want it to be true...


No, from a psychological standpoint the kid is just fine.
 
2012-08-31 10:03:13 PM

craig328: Silly Jesus: To you as an adult, weird is okay...BUT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT DECISION. To a kid, it's a life changer...and it's his/her life, not yours.If they want to be the outlier later on when they can decide that's what they want to be: cool. To set them on that path when they don't know well enough...well, as a parent, you pretty much suck.

You strike me as the type of parent who would try to "pray away the gay."

Yep. Because what I said totally equates to being a bible thumping homophobe faith healer, right? Have you always been that goddamned f*cking stupid or is this a recent event? I'm glad though that you managed to work a dig at religion in there though. That must have required a lot of effort and thought on your part to craft that gem of a shivering conversational riposte.

Good for you. Here's a cookie.


Is your heart OK? It seems to be under a lot of stress. Calm the fark down. I wasn't religion bashing, I was simply drawing a parallel.

The kind of parent who would ask that their kid not wear "gender inappropriate" clothing, even if it feels right to them, all because it might get negative attention, is the exact same type of parent who would try to get their child to "disown" their homosexuality.

"Hey, I know that dress feels right to you, but you better not wear it out of the house because people will make fun of you. Only act like that inside."

VS

"Hey, I know being gay feels right to you, but you better not act that way out of the house because people will make fun of you. Only be gay at home."

See sunshine, that wasn't that hard to understand, now as it?

/keep some chewable aspirin handy
 
2012-08-31 10:26:27 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: WhyteRaven74: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.

He isn't and they are.

You just want it to be true...

Frankly, I think it's sad that you'd support parents who encourage their kids to live in a delusion just so you can avoid addressing the fact that you yourself have problems.


Your viewpoint is not fact, and you've still haven't answered my question. What do you think of girls and women wearing men's clothes?

Red_Fox: Silly Jesus: have taught them that anyone outside of a strict gender construct is "strange."

Sorry OP but it's not "strange" it's freaky weird and if you think the average person will ever think it's normal to let a little boy wear dressed you are wrong.

/And this is coming from someone on the left.


Once upon a time the "average person" didn't think it was "normal" for women to wear pants, shorts, and regular shirts, the "male clothes". Why are people like you so afraid and angry about boys and men wearing "female clothes"?
 
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