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(Daily Mail)   After 5-year old son with a penchant for wearing dresses and skirts is picked on at school, father dons women's clothing in solidarity. "Long skirts with elasticated waistbands suit me quite well anyway"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 444
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2012-08-30 09:09:38 PM
Seems weird to me, and I live in California.

At 5, my kid knows he likes Star Wars, probably because I watched some Star Wars shows with him. They are little sponges.

/If Dad wants to dress up in dresses, fine. He shouldn't blame his kid for that.
 
2012-08-30 09:11:20 PM

Biv: He identifies with being a girl?

I identified with Transformers, that doesn't mean my parents should have let me go to school dressed like a robot.

He's five. He's not going to school to express himself, he's going to school to learn. A boy dressed as a girl is a distraction, not only to other students but to himself. The teasing and bullying will never stop. Ever. It's a natural part of growing up, especially as a male, to establish a pecking order. Don't make it worse by making yourself a target.

I told my dad I was getting teased at school. He told me to stop acting like a geek while at school. Do your dorky RPG stuff when you are at home. Stop dressing like a nerd.

I did. The teasing stopped. I made a whole lot more friends. Funny how that works.

I even had some of the jocks playing RPG's...just never at school.


So, in your mind, a boy wearing "girl" clothes is unquestionably playing dress-up just as much as a kid in a robot costume. But if he's wearing "boy" clothes he's ... What, exactly?
 
2012-08-30 09:12:11 PM

Owangotang: Strobeguy: How did this get a Hero tag and why does my head hurt reading the freaking article?

You played football and now suffer from chronic traumatic encephalopathy, causing you to drool on your shirt as you try to sound out words like "dress"?


yep, thats it..thanks
 
2012-08-30 09:13:49 PM
One day men wearing dresses, lace, and high-heels in regular everyday things will be commonplace and the same effect on humanity and civilization will happed (i.e. nothing at all).

Such as France in the 16 and 1700s? Don't you know that caused the world to blow up?

Apparently we did read different articles. The one I read said the dad openly enjoyed people reactions in the street and was "proud" that he and his son were the topic of conversation of the entire town.

Actually he was proud that he and his son got people identifying and talking about their assumptions. Quite an accomplishment as assumptions are generally invisible. When people react on the street it means they are 1) paying attention - something rare by itself, and 2) forced to think about what 'normal' means.
 
2012-08-30 09:17:24 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: 'd be laughing at people who react with such horror and vitriol, too.

As long as you agree that laughing at people we think are funny is okay, then we seem to be on the same side of this issue.


I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people. Those people are ones who get hung up over their precious gender role ideals and screech about people who don't conform to them. So we might still be on opposite sides, depending on who you consider "right" or "wrong" about this.

/few people think women wearing men's clothes is a horrible thing these days
//will be a good day when we stop being idiots about men wearing women's clothes
 
2012-08-30 09:18:26 PM
Almost every older person who identifies themselves as "transgendered" or "transvestite", or somewhere else along the gender expression spectrum, will tell you that they realized they were trans around age 5 or 6. I certainly did when I was that age, and we have several family friends with kids that age who are also expressing cross-gender preferences. My advice to those parents? Sure the kids wants to wear a dress to school, but allowing him to do that and get teased and ridiculed would probably be worse than asking him to supress those feelings. Sure, I wish I could have worn dresses to school, but now I realize how bad that would have ended up. I wish though that my parents wouldn't have beaten me and yelled and screamed when they found out my trans issues. I applaud the dad in TFA for supporting his son, but he should probably give his kid a more realistic view of the world, saying there's a time and place for everything, and sometimes you have to wear clothes you'd rather not. Wear a dress at home or to the store, but not somewhere like school where you'll distract the other kids and make a big spectacle out of something private.
 
2012-08-30 09:21:44 PM

Silly Jesus: Subby here. The line of reasoning in the above post (which is backed by an excellent article) was my thought process when choosing the Hero tag that so many people seem to have a problem with. Of course the kid is going to be bullied by kids whose parents have taught them that anyone outside of a strict gender construct is "strange." That's not the primary factor to consider though. The mental health of the boy who identifies as a girl will be much more negatively impacted if his parents start telling him that what he is doing is wrong. Boys can only like blue. Girls can only like pink.


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2012-08-30 09:23:15 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: 'd be laughing at people who react with such horror and vitriol, too.

As long as you agree that laughing at people we think are funny is okay, then we seem to be on the same side of this issue.

I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people. Those people are ones who get hung up over their precious gender role ideals and screech about people who don't conform to them. So we might still be on opposite sides, depending on who you consider "right" or "wrong" about this.

/few people think women wearing men's clothes is a horrible thing these days
//will be a good day when we stop being idiots about men wearing women's clothes


Ooh, I like that, it's okay for me to laugh at you for your views, but laugh at mine and you're either stupid retarded or an asshole.

I have learned a valuable lesson on Fark today.
 
2012-08-30 09:23:57 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people.


Okay, I think we have established what type of person you are then.

I only laugh at people who willingly make funny choices.
 
2012-08-30 09:24:49 PM

chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.


You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.
 
2012-08-30 09:26:36 PM

fusillade762: Elasticated? Must be a Brit thing.


A casual glance at the waistlines at your local branch of WalMart would show otherwise.
 
2012-08-30 09:26:45 PM

Marshall Willenholly: Almost every older person who identifies themselves as "transgendered" or "transvestite", or somewhere else along the gender expression spectrum, will tell you that they realized they were trans around age 5 or 6. I certainly did when I was that age, and we have several family friends with kids that age who are also expressing cross-gender preferences. My advice to those parents? Sure the kids wants to wear a dress to school, but allowing him to do that and get teased and ridiculed would probably be worse than asking him to supress those feelings.


Eh, wouldn't it be better to acknowledge that the kid is transgendered and get some professional help before his or her natural hormones lurch them even further in the opposite direction?
 
2012-08-30 09:26:47 PM
Follow the adventures of Big Daddy Attention Whore taking Little Attention Whore in Training for a stroll.

Way to teach the kid the universe revolves around him, and that anybody who doesn't recognize it is not just wrong, but a hater.

Everyone must celebrate his clothing choices.

He'll have his favorite water tower picked out by his 21st birthday.
 
2012-08-30 09:26:52 PM

someonelse: Still, people are infusing this possibly bullsh:t story with a lot of their own weird gender hangups.


I agree. Some people are.

But to me, and probably several other posters, this has nothing to do with any gender issue, gender hangup, gender anything at all. It's a matter of making choices about your behavior in public, whatever that behavior that feels good to you may be. The boy in a dress is irrelevant to being a good parent. (Though there are some people who seem curiously over enthusiastic about 5 year old boys in dresses. Which is okay too, I suppose.)

I just think about it in terms of unusual choice "x". The first time I did thing "x" (some unusual behavior that people don't normally see in public) as a very young child and got laughed at, I learned something. "Okay, people laugh at weird thing "x" that I like to do. I do it because it feels so good and right. But I can make a choice about doing thing x in public. It's my choice, and I don't expect a million people to conform around my choices."
 
2012-08-30 09:26:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: UncleStumpy: Awesome! When my sin starts murdering people, I too will murder!

SOLIDARITY

Awesome! I'll compare something illegal to a child not waering the clothes I and society thinks he should and pretend that they're exactly the same in order to generate faux outrage and make a retarded declaration!

STUPIDITY


Wow that was a fast bite ;-)

"stupidity!!!!"

Pot calling kettle black, homey
 
2012-08-30 09:30:29 PM

chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: 'd be laughing at people who react with such horror and vitriol, too.

As long as you agree that laughing at people we think are funny is okay, then we seem to be on the same side of this issue.

I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people. Those people are ones who get hung up over their precious gender role ideals and screech about people who don't conform to them. So we might still be on opposite sides, depending on who you consider "right" or "wrong" about this.

/few people think women wearing men's clothes is a horrible thing these days
//will be a good day when we stop being idiots about men wearing women's clothes

Ooh, I like that, it's okay for me to laugh at you for your views, but laugh at mine and you're either stupid retarded or an asshole.

I have learned a valuable lesson on Fark today.


Hey, if you feel you need to be a dick towards people becaus eof what they choose to wear, knock yourself out. I'll just shake my head and continue to not give a damn about what others wear. It hurts me 0% what others choose to garb themselves in, I don't feel the need to demand they conform to what others say should be, and in the end life goes on.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people.

Okay, I think we have established what type of person you are then.

I only laugh at people who willingly make funny choices.


Glad to see you're so easily amused. Maybe one day you'll finish growing up and stop being so concerned about what others choose to wear.
 
2012-08-30 09:32:49 PM

octopied: Silly Jesus: octopied: Some kids like to wear superhero costumes all the time too, doesn't mean they do it at school.

At that age,why not say "You can wear this at home, but not at school" If he still wants to wear a dress in several years when he's old enough to understand social backlash, then go with it.

You can be gay at home, but not at school....

Like that?

A 5 year old doesn't really understand gay and all it entails. Doesn't even say he's one of those kids who is gender confused at an early age.


They certainly understand feeling different....and that dressing like the opposite sex feels right.
 
2012-08-30 09:35:53 PM

Biv:
He's not going to school to express himself, he's going to school to learn.
.


very good point 

of course I suppose the counterpoint to that would be ' oh yea, what about people who dress their kids in ethnic or religious attire? should we force them to take those off too??? get that yamuka out of here! It's distracting, you're not here to express yourself !!!! '

and the response to that would be: 'First of all, no one's forcing anyone to do anything, and secondly, there are indeed limits to attire from other countries. (The face veil from islamic countries for example).

which would lead to: Oh, so now you're comparing a dress to an article of clothing which women are forced to wear to repress them? ok great, thanks for that that bit of info!! LOLZ

and then inevitably: Actually many islamic women actually voluntarily choose to wear veils

and then naturally: You're totally gay, aren't you dude? OVERCOMPENSATION AmIrite???

and then: listen jackass, why don't you just kill yourself

and finally Bevets will show up for some reason and say: " And then the lord sayeth, pop ye boners not for man ass, Yea, but instead lead thy junk towards the loins of sexy biatches, verily"

so in conclusion, can someone please tell me if Biv had a good point or not?
 
2012-08-30 09:36:18 PM

UncleStumpy: Keizer_Ghidorah: UncleStumpy: Awesome! When my sin starts murdering people, I too will murder!

SOLIDARITY

Awesome! I'll compare something illegal to a child not waering the clothes I and society thinks he should and pretend that they're exactly the same in order to generate faux outrage and make a retarded declaration!

STUPIDITY

Wow that was a fast bite ;-)

"stupidity!!!!"

Pot calling kettle black, homey


Best you could do was a 4chan retort? You certainly added to the discussion. Now go to sleep, /b/tard, let the adults talk.
 
2012-08-30 09:36:28 PM
Marshall Willenholly~

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Wish things had been a little bit better for you, but you sound like a well rounded human. Take care and stay brave.
 
2012-08-30 09:37:46 PM
Based on only the picture the kid looks happy, I am ok with this
 
2012-08-30 09:39:45 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.


Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.
 
2012-08-30 09:45:44 PM

chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.

Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.


I'm fairly certain that his fathe rwill teach him that mudering people and cutting open animals is one societal norm that shouldn't be gone against, being something that's evil and illegal and all. But the fact you even thought of comparing wearing women's clothes to serial killing and suggested a link between them shows that you on some level believe that they're both equal and should be treated equally.

/overblown hyperbole is not the best way to discuss things
 
2012-08-30 09:50:41 PM
I'm a parent and I read the article. My understanding is that sex is determined at conception and is expressed genetically and gender developes later in the brain and is expressed behaviorally.

What I see here is a kid whose gender got set to female, while his sex is male. These things happen, we don't know why, but this isn't anything new. And it seems his gender switch got set all the over to Disney Princess. I'm guessing he has a big sister who he wants to emulate and he got caught up in wearing her old dresses and skirts.

It sounds like he feels at ease in dresses, but he knew that if he wore a dress to school the other kids would laugh, here it sounded like he was apprehensive that his behavior might be wrong via social cues. He goes to his father and asks him if it is ok for him to wear a dress, and he also asks his father to MAKE it ok by wearing a dress himself. Which is something a child would do, and I think is very sweet. In any case, it seems the child was having self esteem issues stemming from starting to identify the miss-match between his sex and his gender. What he was really asking his father was, "What is wrong with me?". The answers the father here had to choose between were, "everything", or "nothing".

I would wear a dress if that were my son, because I love him.
 
2012-08-30 09:51:24 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: 'd be laughing at people who react with such horror and vitriol, too.

As long as you agree that laughing at people we think are funny is okay, then we seem to be on the same side of this issue.

I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people. Those people are ones who get hung up over their precious gender role ideals and screech about people who don't conform to them. So we might still be on opposite sides, depending on who you consider "right" or "wrong" about this.

/few people think women wearing men's clothes is a horrible thing these days
//will be a good day when we stop being idiots about men wearing women's clothes

Ooh, I like that, it's okay for me to laugh at you for your views, but laugh at mine and you're either stupid retarded or an asshole.

I have learned a valuable lesson on Fark today.

Hey, if you feel you need to be a dick towards people becaus eof what they choose to wear, knock yourself out. I'll just shake my head and continue to not give a damn about what others wear. It hurts me 0% what others choose to garb themselves in, I don't feel the need to demand they conform to what others say should be, and in the end life goes on.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: I laugh at stupid people, assholish people, and retarded people.

Okay, I think we have established what type of person you are then.

I only laugh at people who willingly make funny choices.

Glad to see you're so easily amused. Maybe one day you'll finish growing up and stop being so concerned about what others choose to wear.


Funny how you think that my pointing out your little bout of hypocrisy = being a dick and caring what other people wear. Hell, closest I've gotten to caring about whether a man shouldn't wear a dress is reminding him that he looked terrible in horizontal stripes.

I agree that there should not be social consequences for things like this, but children need to understand that they exist before they can understand why, and they need to understand why before they can do something to fix it.
 
2012-08-30 09:53:49 PM

Canned Tamales: I have to admit...people who feel that they have to push boundaries and challenge perceptions can seem annoying and attention whorish, especially to silly, dozy, easily frightened sheeple...

But those of you (non-trolls) who feel the need to criticize and complain and talk shiat about what a "real dad' does, or who push your various "norms" and "standards" as somehow important...

Just who the hell are you, except cowardly, fearful little turds? Why are pants such a part of your identity?
Why should what anybody wears be such an issue for you, who aren't even involved? Why the fearful reactions?


I'm 6'4, bald, bearded, and beer-bellied....pathetic reactions like I've seen here make me want to find your neighborhoods and roam the streets in full flaming drag while blowing kisses to everyone, just to scare the shiat out of y'all.


This. My grandson is 5 and hasn't had a haircut since age 1. He's pretty much got the Eddie Vedder circa 1992 thing happening. And he gets mistaken for a girl, which he's polite about but happily corrects the error when it's made. Kids can choose their styles without being too worried about what it all means if it makes them happy. And it gets it out of their system. My 16-year-old stepson had a mohawk for 3 weeks at age 6. And now he's neat and tidily conservative. I was forced to wear a hyper-conservative school uniform and hairstyle (wore shorts through winter until age 12!) as a kid, and no one should be surprised that I'm a slob today because I wasn't allowed to get this out of my system at an appropriate age.
 
2012-08-30 09:54:06 PM

chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.

Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.


I'm curious, what are the consequences of denying oneself a life of happiness for fear or ridicule?
 
2012-08-30 09:54:24 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.

Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.

I'm fairly certain that his fathe rwill teach him that mudering people and cutting open animals is one societal norm that shouldn't be gone against, being something that's evil and illegal and all. But the fact you even thought of comparing wearing women's clothes to serial killing and suggested a link between them shows that you on some level believe that they're both equal and should be treated equally.

/overblown hyperbole is not the best way to discuss things


Neither is made wild assumptions based solely on said hyperbole.
 
2012-08-30 09:54:31 PM

BrassArt: Follow the adventures of Big Daddy Attention Whore taking Little Attention Whore in Training for a stroll.


Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
 
2012-08-30 09:56:31 PM

chaosweaver: In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm.


In Germany people react differently to that than in the US. They are actually more laid back about it.
 
2012-08-30 09:57:37 PM

chaosweaver: Neither is made wild assumptions based solely on said hyperbole.


Also you do a lovely job of blaming the victim. To you everything that happens to the boy is his fault, not the fault of others.
 
2012-08-30 09:58:59 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: UncleStumpy: Keizer_Ghidorah: UncleStumpy: Awesome! When my sin starts murdering people, I too will murder!

SOLIDARITY

Awesome! I'll compare something illegal to a child not waering the clothes I and society thinks he should and pretend that they're exactly the same in order to generate faux outrage and make a retarded declaration!

STUPIDITY

Wow that was a fast bite ;-)

"stupidity!!!!"

Pot calling kettle black, homey

Best you could do was a 4chan retort? You certainly added to the discussion. Now go to sleep, /b/tard, let the adults talk.


I've never been to 4 chan but you obviously have, Pedo wanker.

Now get over your butthurt, and provide something worth getting serious about, because you haven't yet.

/stupid article is stupid
 
2012-08-30 10:03:38 PM

WhyteRaven74: chaosweaver: In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm.

In Germany people react differently to that than in the US. They are actually more laid back about it.


To be fair, Germans are freaks.
 
2012-08-30 10:05:24 PM

codergirl42: chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.

Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.

I'm curious, what are the consequences of denying oneself a life of happiness for fear or ridicule?


Wouldn't know. My parents made sure I understood the consequences of my actions and decisions. If I decided that the pros outweighed the cons, such as the amount of happiness outweighed the pains of ridicule, and continued to do it. I joined the military during a time when soldiers were getting protested nearly constantly. I had full cups of soda thrown at me at one point. But I was happy with my decision, so it didn't matter. Now, I wear a kilt at least 3 times a month, regardless of how many people call it a skirt. Over time, the ridicule has become a smaller and smaller con, and in some cases, even a pro, because I can makes jokes about it.

So yea, the last time I lived in fear was when I was a non-catholic going to a catholic school. Kids are evil bastards.
 
2012-08-30 10:10:49 PM
Just want to say that I love my kilts...swing low swing free...

/looks Damn good in a Kilt
 
2012-08-30 10:12:23 PM

WhyteRaven74: chaosweaver: Neither is made wild assumptions based solely on said hyperbole.

Also you do a lovely job of blaming the victim. To you everything that happens to the boy is his fault, not the fault of others.


Whyte, I like you, I really do. You often bring a very intriguing point of view to a discussion. However, that is possibly the most off-base thing I have ever seen you write. I would love it if you could point out where I'm blaming the boy for not understanding why the kids are making fun of him, because there's a good chance I worded it wrong, or, like seems to be happening here a lot today, my statement may have been misinterpreted.

Please? For the sake of rational discussion?
 
2012-08-30 10:13:01 PM

chaosweaver: codergirl42: chaosweaver: Keizer_Ghidorah: chaosweaver: And it seems Keizer missed the point entirely.

You spoke of "derp from both sides of the issue" while saying oth will create mass murderers and other unsavory people. The only depr on this matter is from people who are still so hung up on gender roles and the power pieces of fabric have that they react with fear, hate, and disgust towards those who don't conform to what they think is "right", and in your mind not being concerned with all of that baloney and letting kids wear what they want is what creates serial killers.

Oh, for the love of frilly knickers! I said nothing about what someone wearing having anything to do with disemboleling small woodland creatures. If you would drop the bloody outrage for a second, you'd realize that my whole statement was about teaching children that there are consequences to their actions. In fact, I'm sure I said it at least three times. In current society there are consequences for actions that are outside the norm. The child needs to learn that, so that when he is old enough he can find a way to go about changing it.

Yes, the little Jeffy D. Part was a bit of extreme hyperbole, but the first time he had to deal with the consequences of his actions was AFTER he had killed a half-dozen Filipinos.

I'm curious, what are the consequences of denying oneself a life of happiness for fear or ridicule?

Wouldn't know. My parents made sure I understood the consequences of my actions and decisions. If I decided that the pros outweighed the cons, such as the amount of happiness outweighed the pains of ridicule, and continued to do it. I joined the military during a time when soldiers were getting protested nearly constantly. I had full cups of soda thrown at me at one point. But I was happy with my decision, so it didn't matter. Now, I wear a kilt at least 3 times a month, regardless of how many people call it a skirt. Over time, the ridicule has become a smaller and small ...


So... you got yours, so fark this kid?

Seriously, I dont get why you're so bent out of shape about this. You're not being clear. You're being ranty.
 
2012-08-30 10:14:19 PM

chaosweaver: WhyteRaven74: chaosweaver: Neither is made wild assumptions based solely on said hyperbole.

Also you do a lovely job of blaming the victim. To you everything that happens to the boy is his fault, not the fault of others.

Whyte, I like you, I really do. You often bring a very intriguing point of view to a discussion. However, that is possibly the most off-base thing I have ever seen you write. I would love it if you could point out where I'm blaming the boy for not understanding why the kids are making fun of him, because there's a good chance I worded it wrong, or, like seems to be happening here a lot today, my statement may have been misinterpreted.

Please? For the sake of rational discussion?


I want for you to point out where exactly in TFA it says that this kid doesn't understand why people would make fun of him. Seems to me he understands all too well.

So would you like to point out where you're seeing this stuff? For the sake of rational discussion?
 
2012-08-30 10:33:46 PM
If only more parents would pretend they're mentally challenged so their kids could live in the delusion that they're healthy...
 
2012-08-30 10:36:13 PM

spamdog: Remember that article a good few years back about the kid that dressed up as Daphne from Scooby Doo for halloween?
And the mother wrote a blog post acknowledging that he was gay, and to not judge him?

I wonder where that kid is now, and if he actually is gay or not.


The title of the blog post was something like "My son is gay...".

The first sentence in the blog post was something like "...or he's not. I don't know yet and don't care."
 
2012-08-30 10:41:35 PM
okay, first off, my initial rant had far less to do with the thread, and more to do with the ridiculous polarity in this thread. No one was listening to anyone else's point of view, they were simply piccking and choosing from an opposing post and accusing the other of being a bad parent for not agreeing with them. So, I posted that rant about societal consequences. I did not say whether they were right or wrong, merely that they existed, and it is a parent's job to make sure that a child understands that. I suppose it was fooolish of me to think that my statement would be seen in the context in which I wrote it.

I had no intention of making it seem like I was belittling the child or the father, and I apologize if that is how I was interpreted, in fact, outside of the contacting the media thing, I think he's handling it fairly well. Again, my issue was with the extreme views in the thread. Could have sworn that I had stumbled into the politics tab.

People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.

I hope that clears my statements up a little. Any further questions?
 
2012-08-30 10:44:25 PM

chaosweaver: okay, first off, my initial rant had far less to do with the thread, and more to do with the ridiculous polarity in this thread. No one was listening to anyone else's point of view, they were simply piccking and choosing from an opposing post and accusing the other of being a bad parent for not agreeing with them. So, I posted that rant about societal consequences. I did not say whether they were right or wrong, merely that they existed, and it is a parent's job to make sure that a child understands that. I suppose it was fooolish of me to think that my statement would be seen in the context in which I wrote it.

I had no intention of making it seem like I was belittling the child or the father, and I apologize if that is how I was interpreted, in fact, outside of the contacting the media thing, I think he's handling it fairly well. Again, my issue was with the extreme views in the thread. Could have sworn that I had stumbled into the politics tab.

People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.

I hope that clears my statements up a little. Any further questions?


If you had no intention of belittling the kid or his father, why did you go ahead and do it anyway?
 
2012-08-30 10:50:33 PM
Everyone should be free to be themselves so long as they hurt nobody. If Edwina the lady librarian fools not a one while being built like a 7' tall linebacker with 4' shoulders I will always refer to her as a lady until she takes off the makeup, puts on non sexy suspenders, and calls himself Hank. Father of the half millenium to the German dude.
 
2012-08-30 10:51:30 PM

chaosweaver: People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.


Yeah, you should support your children and not give them any insight into why they shouldn't be blind supporters of nazis, republicans or nambla either. Maybe you should let them fark the family dog or cat, or set them on fire if that's what they feel drawn too, right? Let them be free!!!!

Reality check.. kids go through farked up stages of ignorance and brutality. It's the parents' job to educate them, and get them in sync with reality.
 
2012-08-30 10:53:13 PM
And again with the manufactured outrage. Always seems different when you're watching it happen to someone else. I'll give you credit, Pony Killer. You're still good.
 
2012-08-30 10:54:31 PM

ciberido: HeartlessLibertarian: Yes you are an idiot, if you think we would believe that lie. If your 5 year old picked out his own clothes, he'd be going to school dressed as batman. And if you let your 5 year old pick his own clothes from the store (which you don't because you're lying) you'd be a terrible parent. Since you are a blatent liar you probally are a horrible influence on your child, and your child probably be as dumb as you and a plague on society as well. 5 Year olds are not old enough to pick out a wardrobe, they can't even dress themselves. So don't lie to us you pathetic liberal piece of garbage.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.

/ I am only saying this because I care.


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Love that movie!
 
2012-08-30 11:01:37 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: chaosweaver: People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.

Yeah, you should support your children and not give them any insight into why they shouldn't be blind supporters of nazis, republicans or nambla either. Maybe you should let them fark the family dog or cat, or set them on fire if that's what they feel drawn too, right? Let them be free!!!!

Reality check.. kids go through farked up stages of ignorance and brutality. It's the parents' job to educate them, and get them in sync with reality.


Funny, I just, in the same post you quoted from, talked about people taking things out of context to try and make some rediculous point.

Maybe that was the idea, and you're just trolling, if so, kudos to you, sir. Otherwise, I think you need to start relearning your reading comprehension.
 
2012-08-30 11:18:04 PM

chaosweaver: BraveNewCheneyWorld: chaosweaver: People SHOULD be able to express themselves in manners such as this, unfortunately, the reality is still that there are people who will make a big deal about it.

Yeah, you should support your children and not give them any insight into why they shouldn't be blind supporters of nazis, republicans or nambla either. Maybe you should let them fark the family dog or cat, or set them on fire if that's what they feel drawn too, right? Let them be free!!!!

Reality check.. kids go through farked up stages of ignorance and brutality. It's the parents' job to educate them, and get them in sync with reality.

Funny, I just, in the same post you quoted from, talked about people taking things out of context to try and make some rediculous point.

Maybe that was the idea, and you're just trolling, if so, kudos to you, sir. Otherwise, I think you need to start relearning your reading comprehension.


Would it be reasonable to assume I have to read the 45 previous instances of your handle to get the context of that post? Newsflash, you're not that important. 

To reiterate, the kid is farked up and his parents aren't doing their job.
 
2012-08-30 11:21:58 PM

Red Shirt Blues: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x474]
Now a days, these kids, they take everything. Radar, sonar, electric toothbrushes, red dresses, Jesus-H Christ.


Ok, I get the Dress and in plus 38c it works well but put on some DAME shoe...
 
2012-08-30 11:27:45 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: douchebag/hater: Where is the 'Enabling Azzhole' tag when you really need it?

Or the 'Parenting Mistakes NOT To Make' one?

Or 'Ensure Your Gay Son Grows Up to Not Commit Suicide'.

Would really depend on how the kid ends up.


1) How do you know the kid is a homo? Transvestites are ALWAYS going on about how they aren't 'gay'.
2) The vast majority of gays don't kill themselves; I think you're projecting.
 
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