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(io9)   Since Warner Brothers has no way to lure Joss Whedon over to direct a Justice League movie, they're now considering handing the franchise over to Brett Ratner, McG or Zach Snyder. This is why we can't have nice things   (io9.com) divider line 103
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2012-08-30 01:08:27 PM
Brad Bird would be my choice.
 
2012-08-30 02:06:37 PM
Good. Brett Ratner can go ruin Justice League.
 
2012-08-30 02:28:39 PM
Snyder might not be bad.

No hope for the other two.
 
2012-08-30 02:37:27 PM
The OC was quality television...Especially compared to what the regular networks are putting out these days.

Not to say The OC translates real well to making a Justice League movie.
 
2012-08-30 02:38:07 PM
Everything about Warner Bros.' attempt to make a Justice League movie by 2015 feels like a slightly desperate attempt to copy Marvel's success with The Avengers.

Feels?
 
2012-08-30 02:38:28 PM
No,no and hell no.....
 
2012-08-30 02:38:38 PM
There's absolutely no way that a Justice League movie would be good, regardless of the director, so just forget about it.
 
2012-08-30 02:41:46 PM

Blues_X: Snyder might not be bad.

No hope for the other two.


I agree.

I really don't get the Zack Snyder hate. Of course, I'm in the minority that enjoyed Sucker Punch. The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.
 
2012-08-30 02:41:52 PM
They might as well just get Uwe Boll and go all in on this one.
 
2012-08-30 02:50:57 PM

Hyatus: The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.


Tentacle Monster from Planet X wasn't a good ending to begin with. It needed rewritten even before Alan Moore took his scraggly beard off of the original draft.

A Justice League movie from Warner Brothers will never work, because Warner Brothers doesn't even understand Batman, let alone Superman and any other hero with actual superpowers. The keep managing to make movies that are bad for both the comic book nerds and the general public, and Nolan trilogy was a lucrative plop in an otherwise dull, calm surface.
 
2012-08-30 02:51:13 PM

Hyatus: I really don't get the Zack Snyder hate. Of course, I'm in the minority that enjoyed Sucker Punch. The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.


I thought it stemmed from the stupid over-the-top slo mo and speed up and back to slo mo of every action sequence. I don't like him for those reasons, but funny enough I thought the rewrite made a lot more sense than psychic vagina monster.
 
2012-08-30 02:56:49 PM

thecpt: Hyatus: I really don't get the Zack Snyder hate. Of course, I'm in the minority that enjoyed Sucker Punch. The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.

I thought it stemmed from the stupid over-the-top slo mo and speed up and back to slo mo of every action sequence. I don't like him for those reasons, but funny enough I thought the rewrite made a lot more sense than psychic vagina monster.


The psychic vagina monster would have looked pretty damn silly up on a movie screen. Considering how dense "Watchmen" is, Snyder did about as well as any human could with the material. Yes, his directing style can be annoying, but I still really want to see his "Superman" film.
 
2012-08-30 02:57:09 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: A Justice League movie from Warner Brothers will never work, because Warner Brothers doesn't even understand Batman, let alone Superman and any other hero with actual superpowers. The keep managing to make movies that are bad for both the comic book nerds and the general public, and Nolan trilogy was a lucrative plop in an otherwise dull, calm surface.


It would take a setup like Marvel did to have a prayer of working. If they took some of the character writing from Kingdom Come I think it would work. What makes Justice League interesting to me is Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman have COMPLETELY different opinions on what constitutes justice and what means to take to those ends.
 
2012-08-30 02:57:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: Brad Bird would be my choice.


This.

ManateeGag: Good. Brett Ratner can go ruin Justice League.


That.

Lee's_Austin: Everything about Warner Bros.' attempt to make a Justice League movie by 2015 feels like a slightly desperate attempt to copy Marvel's success with The Avengers.

Feels?


Slightly?
 
2012-08-30 02:58:33 PM

CarnySaur: There's absolutely no way that a Justice League movie would be good, regardless of the director, so just forget about it.


This; because there's this entity called "WARNER BROTHERS" that in no way, shape or form will let a Justice League movie pass without FUBARing it.
 
2012-08-30 03:00:52 PM
I love that comic book geeks love the way a comic panel is laid out with beautiful moments of action being captured at their zenith but when it's emulated in a film it's suddenly a bad thing.
 
2012-08-30 03:00:57 PM
Everything about Warner Bros.' attempt to make a Justice League movie by 2015 feels like a slightly desperate attempt to copy Marvel's success with The Avengers

Slightly
desperate? If it was anymore desperate, we'd have to send in the National Guard.
 
2012-08-30 03:02:22 PM

Sarsin: It would take a setup like Marvel did to have a prayer of working. If they took some of the character writing from Kingdom Come I think it would work. What makes Justice League interesting to me is Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman have COMPLETELY different opinions on what constitutes justice and what means to take to those ends.


Yes and no.
Wonder Woman could use an origin movie, because not so many people know Wonder Woman as familiarly as they do Batman and Superman. I cringe every time they want to reboot Superman and start with the origin. It's unnecessary. Everyone already knows Superman, last son of Krypton, is Clark Kent, reporter for the Daily Planet. Everyone knows he's got a thing for Lois Lane. This isn't something that has to be covered in a movie to introduce the character. It would be like every WW2 movie requiring Churchill or Hitler's backstory. They want a good Superman movie, assume the audience knows who he is, quickly establish it's the same character, and go from there.
Nolan's universe kind of required a backstory, but only because it was a different universe, and one that was specifically not supposed to be wholly familiar.
 
2012-08-30 03:02:46 PM

Blues_X: Snyder might not be bad.


It would be bad for those of us who got bored halfway through 300 and everything else he's ever made.
 
2012-08-30 03:03:06 PM

Hyatus:
I really don't get the Zack Snyder hate. Of course, I'm in the minority that enjoyed Sucker Punch. The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.


I really enjoyed his Dawn of the Dead remake, but absolutely despised 300. Watchmen was, to me, very underwhelming as well. Never saw Sucker Punch.

It's so weird because Dawn of the Dead has nothing even remotely (stylistically speaking) in common with his other films.
 
2012-08-30 03:03:14 PM

Hyatus: Blues_X: Snyder might not be bad.

No hope for the other two.

I agree.

I really don't get the Zack Snyder hate. Of course, I'm in the minority that enjoyed Sucker Punch. The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.


I liked Sucker Punch. I also don't mind McG, but I don't think he'd be good for this project.
 
2012-08-30 03:06:45 PM

there4igraham: I love that comic book geeks love the way a comic panel is laid out with beautiful moments of action being captured at their zenith but when it's emulated in a film it's suddenly a bad thing.


sometimes mediums don't cross over well, or it gets repetitive. Imagine that every action sequence from a movie converted from a book was just someone on screen telling a story about it, without showing the action. My example is an exaggeration, but the same director does it this same way every time. It gets annoying.
 
2012-08-30 03:07:20 PM
McG is a producer of some damn fine genre television. Both Chuck and Supernatural had/have a vibe similar to Joss Whedon at his best. I don't think I've seen any of his films, but I feel like he could at least put together a good production team.
 
2012-08-30 03:08:28 PM
Have at it, WB. I just won't see it.
 
2012-08-30 03:08:51 PM
the only thing that needs to be handed to Brett Ratner is a grenade smeared with shrimp
 
2012-08-30 03:09:03 PM
I refuse to watch any movie directed by a Scottish gangsta rapper.
 
2012-08-30 03:09:51 PM

browneye: Everything about Warner Bros.' attempt to make a Justice League movie by 2015 feels like a slightly desperate attempt to copy Marvel's success with The Avengers

Slightly desperate? If it was anymore desperate, we'd have to send in the National Guard.


Here's my thing: Why hasn't anyone from on high at WB fired anyone and/or everyone connected with making DC movies as soon as "The Avengers" crossed that $1 Billion plateau? WB/DC have the most recognized superheroes in the world...and yet you haven't been able to capitalize on that for decades. Now, your main rival that's been building for their own franchise not only makes the movie, but makes truckloads of cash doing it (Note: "The Avengers" will be in the theaters over the Labor Day weekend).

Seriously, if that hasn't lead to heads being handed to people at WB/DC, what the hell's going to have to be done for that to happen?
 
2012-08-30 03:10:25 PM
Give me a justice league movie that includes the blackest night and i'm in, other than that no deal
 
2012-08-30 03:12:22 PM
You know why the Avengers worked? Becuase they planned the way they presented the characters around having them eventually come together in the same universe. These characters were either in their first time films or their former films were forgotten by the public at large.

The Justice leage will not work. What people know about Super Man and Batman alone would collide and explode horribly all over the place on screen. The only way to do this is to reboot everything or reboot everything but one property and base everything else on the logic of the property you don't reboot. They don't want to spend the time, they want to rush straight to Justice League. This movie is going to be a trainwreck.
 
2012-08-30 03:14:02 PM
JLA does not need a backstory. Just do a the first Crisis storyline and go from there.
 
2012-08-30 03:17:53 PM

thecpt:
sometimes mediums don't cross over well, or it gets repetitive. Imagine that every action sequence from a movie converted from a book was just someone on screen telling a story about it, without showing the action. My example is an exaggeration, but the same director does it this same way every time. It gets annoying.


You make a good point but you have to look at it subjectively. When the Wachowski's introduced us to bullet time it was pretty darned cool until we about the thirtieth time we saw Trinity do her hover kick.

The fact of the matter is that "artists" tend to be repetitive. Authors tend to stick to one type of genre just as painters and musicians do likewise. Actors and directors also do the same. Is it repetitive when we get a zoom/action/cut in a Sam Raimi movie? No, because that's his thing and for the most part it looks cool.

Maybe I've seen Cutthroat Island too many times that less liberal use of slow motion doesn't bother me as much. Or maybe it's because I appreciate what a well blocked and scene can do with the proper use of slow motion. Watching action sequences with very quick cuts and multiple camera angles like the Borne films go crazy with it becomes almost comical. When you jump kick a guy in the chest he'll generally go down and stay down. Why not do it in slow motion so you can see the facial expressions and contact.

Or maybe I should just marry Zach Snyder because I love him so much.
 
2012-08-30 03:19:23 PM

CPennypacker: They don't want to spend the time, they want to rush straight to Justice League. This movie is going to be a trainwreck.


I don't know too much about the DC pipeline. Did they try with the Green Lantern, and realize it wasn't a commercial success and stopped other movies?
 
2012-08-30 03:25:07 PM
What, was Michael Bay too busy?

/Probably off ruining some other franchise.
 
2012-08-30 03:28:51 PM

thecpt: Green Lantern


why did that bomb so badly? i saw it, didn't think it was good, but it wasn't daredevil.

i should probably note that i've never read or seen anything green lantern related until the recent movie.
 
2012-08-30 03:29:41 PM
Zombie Irvin Kershner would do better, but I doubt the studio could afford him.
 
2012-08-30 03:31:00 PM
Justice League blows. Why bother?
 
2012-08-30 03:32:27 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Hyatus: The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.

Tentacle Monster from Planet X wasn't a good ending to begin with. It needed rewritten even before Alan Moore took his scraggly beard off of the original draft.

A Justice League movie from Warner Brothers will never work, because Warner Brothers doesn't even understand Batman, let alone Superman and any other hero with actual superpowers. The keep managing to make movies that are bad for both the comic book nerds and the general public, and Nolan trilogy was a lucrative plop in an otherwise dull, calm surface.


Warner Bros got it right with the Nolan Batman films. Also, I'm sure they've taken lots of notes watching Marvel.
 
2012-08-30 03:32:52 PM

CPennypacker: You know why the Avengers worked? Becuase they planned the way they presented the characters around having them eventually come together in the same universe. These characters were either in their first time films or their former films were forgotten by the public at large.


I'm reckoning that if "Superman Returns" had been a huge hit then you would've seen the other movies leading up to "Justice League." Then again, WB overdid it with the budget for "SR," possibly going for the biggest buck possible. The backlash, however, was because it didn't do so well it set everything back.

The Justice leage will not work. What people know about Super Man and Batman alone would collide and explode horribly all over the place on screen. The only way to do this is to reboot everything or reboot everything but one property and base everything else on the logic of the property you don't reboot. They don't want to spend the time, they want to rush straight to Justice League. This movie is going to be a trainwreck.

I'm not too sure about that. See, DC does have an advantage that Marvel didn't have: the likes of Batman and Superman are so recognizable that you don't really need to make a movie to help people understand who they are and what they represent. That's been done and dusted countless times. The trick will be Wonder Woman, The Flash and maybe a couple of other characters, depending on who WB/DC wants in the movie.

Green Lantern may fall into this category because, you know, that movie was underwhelming to say the least. The other thing would be the financial aspect: We're talking committing perhaps as much as $2-3 Billion to the other characters' movies so that the JL movie can be put into place. Now, will the shareholders and powerbrokers at WB be that committed to giving up that chunk of money in the hope that the payoff of a "Justice League" movie will be even more successful than "The Avengers?" Not to mention the pressure in hoping that say, a Wonder Woman movie, will lead to sequels of those characters' movie as well?
 
2012-08-30 03:36:09 PM

bifford: Sergeant Grumbles: Hyatus: The only real black mark imo is the ending of The Watchmen which, while not terrible, didn't need rewritten.

Tentacle Monster from Planet X wasn't a good ending to begin with. It needed rewritten even before Alan Moore took his scraggly beard off of the original draft.

A Justice League movie from Warner Brothers will never work, because Warner Brothers doesn't even understand Batman, let alone Superman and any other hero with actual superpowers. The keep managing to make movies that are bad for both the comic book nerds and the general public, and Nolan trilogy was a lucrative plop in an otherwise dull, calm surface.

Warner Bros got it right with the Nolan Batman films. Also, I'm sure they've taken lots of notes watching Marvel.


Problem is: Even with Disney now owning Marvel, Disney has pretty much been "hands-off" on the live action Marvel movies. Can the WB execs exercise that level of restraint with a live action DC movie? With the exception of the Nolan Batman movies, I say no.
 
2012-08-30 03:37:06 PM

Honest Bender: What, was Michael Bay too busy?

/Probably off ruining some other franchise.


He's currently in the process of ruining TMNT.
 
2012-08-30 03:37:24 PM

there4igraham: The fact of the matter is that "artists" tend to be repetitive. Authors tend to stick to one type of genre just as painters and musicians do likewise. Actors and directors also do the same. Is it repetitive when we get a zoom/action/cut in a Sam Raimi movie? No, because that's his thing and for the most part it looks cool.


Completely agree with that, and directors who stick to their styles that are starkly different from what everyone else is doing usually become love 'em or hate 'ems. I love Chris Nolan's style. He has had this same style for what 6 or 7 movies now, has hardly changed it but continues to impress me. I hope it doesn't wear thin.

Snyder's style (which different from your example of The Matrix of which only two of them should be considered good) has crossed over different franchises and for some reason I didn't like it the first time with 300. For me it just takes me completely out of the movie. I've actually enjoyed everything by him except 300, but once that slo mo thing happens I am taken out of the movie and slapped in the head by someone shouting "this is a Zack Snyder Movie."

It does seem to come down to whether the viewer likes that style. You like it and thats good. You're initial point even made me think something I hadn't thought yet, that it is literally putting comic panels up on the screen. Maybe I'm thick for not noticing, but it basically comes down to preference and teh nerds fear this treatment to the justice league.
 
2012-08-30 03:38:19 PM

lousyskater: Honest Bender: What, was Michael Bay too busy?

/Probably off ruining some other franchise.

He's currently in the process of ruining TMNT.


I got really excited at first but then disappointed when you said "ruining TMNT" instead of "dying horribly".
 
2012-08-30 03:40:06 PM

Rwa2play: CPennypacker: You know why the Avengers worked? Becuase they planned the way they presented the characters around having them eventually come together in the same universe. These characters were either in their first time films or their former films were forgotten by the public at large.

I'm reckoning that if "Superman Returns" had been a huge hit then you would've seen the other movies leading up to "Justice League." Then again, WB overdid it with the budget for "SR," possibly going for the biggest buck possible. The backlash, however, was because it didn't do so well it set everything back.

The Justice leage will not work. What people know about Super Man and Batman alone would collide and explode horribly all over the place on screen. The only way to do this is to reboot everything or reboot everything but one property and base everything else on the logic of the property you don't reboot. They don't want to spend the time, they want to rush straight to Justice League. This movie is going to be a trainwreck.

I'm not too sure about that. See, DC does have an advantage that Marvel didn't have: the likes of Batman and Superman are so recognizable that you don't really need to make a movie to help people understand who they are and what they represent. That's been done and dusted countless times. The trick will be Wonder Woman, The Flash and maybe a couple of other characters, depending on who WB/DC wants in the movie.

Green Lantern may fall into this category because, you know, that movie was underwhelming to say the least. The other thing would be the financial aspect: We're talking committing perhaps as much as $2-3 Billion to the other characters' movies so that the JL movie can be put into place. Now, will the shareholders and powerbrokers at WB be that committed to giving up that chunk of money in the hope that the payoff of a "Justice League" movie will be even more successful than "The Avengers?" Not to mention the pressure in hoping that say, a W ...


Oh, no doubt Superman and Batman are recognizable cash cows. The problem is we just finished a 3-film extremely gritty take on Batman that will be in peoples' psyches for a long time. People know the rules of that franchise and they are not compatible in the least with Super-Man.

Not to mention how do you write a compelling story for the Justice League that isn't hokey as hell and have something for Batman to do when the rest of the team is basically all gods. Does he stay home and play with computers while they go fight aliens? Any credible threat to Superman would waste Batman. Any threat Batman could handle would be insta-gibbed by Super-Man.
 
2012-08-30 03:41:17 PM
They should just do an animated movie. It would probably be cheaper to make and they could pull in all the people who work on their TV shows which are really very good.
 
2012-08-30 03:43:55 PM

Honest Bender: What, was Michael Bay too busy?

/Probably off ruining some other franchise.


You're cute.
 
2012-08-30 03:48:12 PM

CPennypacker: Rwa2play: CPennypacker: You know why the Avengers worked? Becuase they planned the way they presented the characters around having them eventually come together in the same universe. These characters were either in their first time films or their former films were forgotten by the public at large.

I'm reckoning that if "Superman Returns" had been a huge hit then you would've seen the other movies leading up to "Justice League." Then again, WB overdid it with the budget for "SR," possibly going for the biggest buck possible. The backlash, however, was because it didn't do so well it set everything back.

The Justice leage will not work. What people know about Super Man and Batman alone would collide and explode horribly all over the place on screen. The only way to do this is to reboot everything or reboot everything but one property and base everything else on the logic of the property you don't reboot. They don't want to spend the time, they want to rush straight to Justice League. This movie is going to be a trainwreck.

I'm not too sure about that. See, DC does have an advantage that Marvel didn't have: the likes of Batman and Superman are so recognizable that you don't really need to make a movie to help people understand who they are and what they represent. That's been done and dusted countless times. The trick will be Wonder Woman, The Flash and maybe a couple of other characters, depending on who WB/DC wants in the movie.

Green Lantern may fall into this category because, you know, that movie was underwhelming to say the least. The other thing would be the financial aspect: We're talking committing perhaps as much as $2-3 Billion to the other characters' movies so that the JL movie can be put into place. Now, will the shareholders and powerbrokers at WB be that committed to giving up that chunk of money in the hope that the payoff of a "Justice League" movie will be even more successful than "The Avengers?" Not to mention the pressure in hoping that say, a ...


I was always partial to the Injustice for All episode of Justice League. It really shows Batman's contribution to the Justice League. Link However with the Batman trilogy just finished, I'm not sure if this would work since it's Batman-centric and the other members aren't depicted in the best light.
 
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2012-08-30 03:50:40 PM

thecpt: I thought the rewrite made a lot more sense than psychic vagina monster.


Without it there's nothing to balance the giant wang, and the fact that it makes no sense was what was so great about it, it was the ultimate supervillain move, the one that's not just insane, it's super crazy.
 
2012-08-30 03:51:21 PM

CPennypacker: Oh, no doubt Superman and Batman are recognizable cash cows. The problem is we just finished a 3-film extremely gritty take on Batman that will be in peoples' psyches for a long time. People know the rules of that franchise and they are not compatible in the least with Super-Man.


Thing is for a Justice League movie, there will be a different set of rules. So it's actually the other way around...I think.

You know what, here's an outside the box thought: Why not let Timm and Dini do a live action version of their Justice League? I mean, you've tried just about everything under the sun; why not let the two guys who put the BEST version of the Justice League ever have a hand in doing it live action?

Not to mention how do you write a compelling story for the Justice League that isn't hokey as hell and have something for Batman to do when the rest of the team is basically all gods.Does he stay home and play with computers while they go fight aliens? Any credible threat to Superman would waste Batman. Any threat Batman could handle would be insta-gibbed by Super-Man.

Well, didn't Marvel do a great job of that with Hawkeye and Black Widow on "The Avengers"? So it can be done; Batman can be made to look like a badass in the face of a foe that could crush him with a thought. Superman OTOH, could have trouble with a foe that he should seemingly take care of because, he is uber-powerful so s/he can't take Supes head-on.
 
2012-08-30 03:51:29 PM

thecpt:
It does seem to come down to whether the viewer likes that style. You like it and thats good. You're initial point even made me think something I hadn't thought yet, that it is literally putting comic panels up on the screen. Maybe I'm thick for not noticing, but it basically comes down to preference and teh nerds fear this treatment to the justice league.


I hated 300 the first time I saw it. I couldn't get out of my own head and just found myself getting angry after each scene. One of my uberdork friends gave me a copy of the graphic novel to read. I watched the movie again and had a whole new appreciation to what Snyder was trying to accomplish. I don't think I would have liked Watchmen if I hadn't gotten out of my head and into Snyder's.

He basically accomplished what Joel Schumacher failed to do with Batman and Robin which was to bring the color and story flow of a comic book to the big screen. Ang Lee almost got it right when he did HULK but he wasn't able to slow down the action without slowing down the action.
 
2012-08-30 03:51:42 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Sarsin: It would take a setup like Marvel did to have a prayer of working. If they took some of the character writing from Kingdom Come I think it would work. What makes Justice League interesting to me is Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman have COMPLETELY different opinions on what constitutes justice and what means to take to those ends.

Yes and no.
Wonder Woman could use an origin movie, because not so many people know Wonder Woman as familiarly as they do Batman and Superman. I cringe every time they want to reboot Superman and start with the origin. It's unnecessary. Everyone already knows Superman, last son of Krypton, is Clark Kent, reporter for the Daily Planet. Everyone knows he's got a thing for Lois Lane. This isn't something that has to be covered in a movie to introduce the character. It would be like every WW2 movie requiring Churchill or Hitler's backstory. They want a good Superman movie, assume the audience knows who he is, quickly establish it's the same character, and go from there.
Nolan's universe kind of required a backstory, but only because it was a different universe, and one that was specifically not supposed to be wholly familiar.


I agree that Superman does not need a backstory. Everyone knows it already. What the Superman movie needs is a SUPERVILLIAN. I know Lex Luthor is supposed to be his arch-nemesis, but it just doesn't work in the movies. They need someone who is just as powerful as Superman. I know the new movie is supposed to have Zod, but that's already been done too. Give me a Darkseid or Lobo.
 
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