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2012-08-30 08:30:34 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: Ya know what really grinds my gears with vegans/vegitarians, it becomes a real pain at say a BBQ when you are cooking and that one random person comes up asking if you have a vegitarian option. Same goes for the holidays and other events, just pisses me off.


I know a couple of vegetarians - I never invite them over for my cookups anymore. Cooking 3 dishes for 15 people would balloon out to cooking 5 dishes for 17 people if they came.
 
2012-08-30 08:33:30 PM
"A diet with meat in it" is not the same as "3500 calories per day of beef jerky."

Whil the average American vegan diet is probably healthier than the average American overall diet, that is not saying much. There are plenty of extremely healthy lifestyles that involve consuming some meat. Implying otherwise is dishonest.


Put another way, yeah, you eat well, but so do the Japanese.
 
2012-08-30 08:34:04 PM
So, I don't eat meat or have much in the way of dairy... well, as much as I would like to sit and chew the fat, I just can't!
1. Never been much of a meat eater anyway. Even as a kid. Chewed it and spat it out and fed it the dog. Just was never able to see meat as part of a meal...
2. Current health issues mean that meat & dairy fat are off the menu as they make me *ill*. (As does most fat anyway)

While my current diet hasn't been approved by either my doctor, consultant or specialist, it suits me where I've got it right now. However, one recent addition of Vitalite to a favourite dish of mine resulted in several minor accidents. And the fatigue isn't helping either. But that's not down to diet or the medication I've been on, it's all to do with the problems I've been experiencing.

Fat, in small quantites daily is good. Less is more. As for vegans/vegetarians not getting enough protein? no - nuts, pulses and tofu supply us with an adequate supply thank you! As for Omega3? Rapeseed oil contains it.
There's so much good out there that isn't meat nor has to be meat in order for it to be enjoyed!
I don't preach to others about my diet, but if there's an event on that's not to be missed, then sure, I ring ahead and get info before deciding. Even suggesting meals if necessary.
I also don't drink alcohol either, but there are great alternatives out there. Schloer being my favourite - the 'rosé' tastes divine! (can't drink because of medication and also because it's too expensive to prove to others that alcohol means social life. Plus, most of my friends don't drink either.)
I'm cutting back on smoking by use of an e-cig. Some days I prefer that to having a cig and there's none of the issues of trying to light up outside on a windy day.

Tofu, tvp, seitan = all just as good if not better than meat for nutrients. Bring on the pulses!
Attempting to create something tasty with chickpeas over the weekend.
 
2012-08-30 08:35:40 PM
I hate it when vegetarians lump their bullshiat into the umbrella of "caring about animals." I "care" about animals insomuch as I care about my pets and (occasionally) the pets of others, but aside from that it's farking dinner and I want it on my plate. I don't give two shiats about conveyor belt big #234,864,430 who's about to have his throat cut to make me a pork chop, and I don't care what "abuse" he has to endure before he gets there. If farking that pig up the ass his entire life with an applewood tree stump will make my bacon tastier, I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-30 08:39:20 PM

whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?


Pay no attention to WhippingBoy. Every time there's a vegan/vegetarian thread he'll be here with his 'I'm just trying to understand.' attitude and 'eat local' platitudes at the same time making no attempt to understand and always taking a position that's counter to vegetarianism.
 
2012-08-30 08:39:58 PM

whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?


You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?
 
2012-08-30 08:41:59 PM

Werepig: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

Pay no attention to WhippingBoy. Every time there's a vegan/vegetarian thread he'll be here with his 'I'm just trying to understand.' attitude and 'eat local' platitudes at the same time making no attempt to understand and always taking a position that's counter to vegetarianism.


Don't spoil my fun, jerk.
 
2012-08-30 08:42:04 PM

WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?


Do you know what "corrosive" means?
 
2012-08-30 08:43:29 PM

Girion47: WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?

Do you know what "corrosive" means?


No, please explain it to me.
 
2012-08-30 08:45:17 PM

zzrhardy: Science_Guy_3.14159: Ya know what really grinds my gears with vegans/vegitarians, it becomes a real pain at say a BBQ when you are cooking and that one random person comes up asking if you have a vegitarian option. Same goes for the holidays and other events, just pisses me off.

I know a couple of vegetarians - I never invite them over for my cookups anymore. Cooking 3 dishes for 15 people would balloon out to cooking 5 dishes for 17 people if they came.


Really? I invite people over who are my friends regardless of what they eat, beer they drink, or team they root for. And you could still cook 3 dishes and make one of those dishes a vegetarian option.
 
2012-08-30 08:45:33 PM

tlchwi02: pxlboy: I posed the same question to my vegan friend and he said he still wouldn't. His stated reason for going vegan is in protest to factory farming and the way animals are treated. I can't argue that they are mistreated, but it seems that if there is no cruelty involved -- if you had a couple of hens that you fed and cared-for, for instance.

which is in itself foolish- his protesting the factory farm by not buying anything wont change their behavior (if anything it would make them worse as the cut more corners.) If he was serious about helping the animals he'd buy cheese and eggs from a farm that ethically treats their animals, and thus putting market pressure on the other manufacturers to improve their conditions


This. Cooking at home and cutting the crap out of your diet is one of the best things I ever did for myself. We (the lady and I) baked/grilled chicken and fish, grilled veggies, brown rice, and so on. It's more time-consuming, but we're healthier and it has definitely helped me lose weight. So even when I am "bad" and have something like pizza or tacos, it's still not as bad because I only eat those things rarely. We're not starving ourselves nibbling at rabbit food and still eating well.

It's all about balance.
 
2012-08-30 08:48:06 PM

Werepig: zzrhardy: Science_Guy_3.14159: Ya know what really grinds my gears with vegans/vegitarians, it becomes a real pain at say a BBQ when you are cooking and that one random person comes up asking if you have a vegitarian option. Same goes for the holidays and other events, just pisses me off.

I know a couple of vegetarians - I never invite them over for my cookups anymore. Cooking 3 dishes for 15 people would balloon out to cooking 5 dishes for 17 people if they came.

Really? I invite people over who are my friends regardless of what they eat, beer they drink, or team they root for. And you could still cook 3 dishes and make one of those dishes a vegetarian option.


This. The aforementioned vegan friend will come over for our vegetarian curry nights and we go to his place for vegan pizza. Not every dish has to have meat in it.

I would never have thought that I would be enjoying the foods I do a few years ago.
 
2012-08-30 08:49:42 PM

WhippingBoy: Girion47: WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?

Do you know what "corrosive" means?

No, please explain it to me.


Here's a huge article on corrosion. Link

Now, explain to me how cholesterol is "corrosive"
 
2012-08-30 08:50:14 PM

Girion47: WhippingBoy: Girion47: WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?

Do you know what "corrosive" means?

No, please explain it to me.

Here's a huge article on corrosion. Link

Now, explain to me how cholesterol is "corrosive"


Is he eating xenomorphs?
 
2012-08-30 08:55:50 PM

Girion47: WhippingBoy: Girion47: WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?

Do you know what "corrosive" means?

No, please explain it to me.

Here's a huge article on corrosion. Link

Now, explain to me how cholesterol is "corrosive"


I never said it was... I was just quoting whidby.
 
2012-08-30 08:57:55 PM

WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?


Hardly.

You can however, eat vegetarian without said corrosives.

You're really not going to win this one.
 
2012-08-30 08:58:38 PM

Gawdzila: RexTalionis: "It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters. Why do many people so readily confuse these two things?"
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that both Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau referred to vegetarianism as the ethically superior thing to do. If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?

Yeah, that's pretty much how I I read it. The writer tries to obfuscate things by using quotes from a couple of vegans who say that they don't feel superior (of course they'd say that), but they both clearly believe that vegetarianism or veganism is a morally superior position, and said as much outright.


So if you believe that a neo-Keynesian approach to the economy is better for the country, and your friend believes that an Austrian school approach is better, you would consider yourself a better person from an ethical or moral perspective?

Those words "morally" and "ethically" - you guys put those into the discussion. The vegans never said that. They're saying their practices are better for the environment and for animals. Which is hard to argue with. Everything else you edited in.
 
2012-08-30 09:00:45 PM
Oh, and I figure I might as well throw in that I've gone vegan a couple times, just for kicks mostly. Wanted to see if I could pull it off and I was also trying to cut out a bunch of unhealthy habits at the same time (cigarettes, caffeine). I tried to do everything right, ate a bunch of nuts and beans and the whole nine yards. It took me a couple of months to notice, but I realized that I had completely lost every ounce of libido. In a way it was really liberating, but I knew something was wrong, very wrong.
 
2012-08-30 09:00:53 PM
As a hunter, I have every respect for the animals I kill and eat. I don't believe we have to abuse the animals to raise them for food, either.

At the end of the day, I'll take meat I killed and butchered myself over store-bought, considering all the shiat they put into the meat pre- and post-kill.

/elk istastier than the best beef.
//food you hunted and prepped yourself is far superior to any storebought.
///if you haven't had bacon made from wild boar, you've never really had bacon.
////ethically superior omnivore.
 
2012-08-30 09:02:11 PM

Lord Dimwit: orbister: Lord Dimwit: I'm a vegetarian. Every now and again someone will say "oh, do you think vegetarianism is 'better'?"

My answer is always "of course I do, otherwise I wouldn't do it. That's a silly question."

Doesn't follow at all. I know vegetarians who have nothing against meat, or cooking meat, but just don't like to eat it themselves. I don't eat beetroot, myself, but I would never claim that a beetroot-free diet is better. I just don't like the stuff.

True, not everything has an ethical or moral component to it. I was trying to point out that it's silly how people say things like "oh, you do X? You think it's better than my Y?" Generally, yes. People generally don't do things that they think are worse. It's like someone getting pissed off at someone else for being of a different religion or having different political opinions; they usually think their religion or politics are better, otherwise, why would they hold them? It doesn't mean that they think you're horribly wrong or that your opinion isn't valid, just that their opinion, for reasons that may be completely personal, are "better".


A word of advice to the easily offended meat eaters: If you ever find yourself wanting to say, "You think you're better than me!?", take a moment to contemplate how stupid that would sound in practically any other situation.

/meat eater, but that doesn't make me better
 
2012-08-30 09:02:44 PM
Also, damn you resident evil 1 for ruining the word tasty for me.

/itchy. Tasty.
 
2012-08-30 09:03:23 PM
As a sanguinarian, I consider myself way superior to all y'all.
 
2012-08-30 09:04:52 PM

whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: WhippingBoy: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products. And since bacon does taste so damn good, we tend to overdo it.

They really do eat healthier if you want to break it down. Bonus: they very likely eat a lot less.

Your logic is incredibly flawed...

So living a healthy lifestyle without artery-clogging corrosives constitutes a flaw in one's logic?

You do realize that you can eat meat without eating artery-clogging corrosives, don't you?

Hardly.

You can however, eat vegetarian without said corrosives.

You're really not going to win this one.


You missed the "lol I'm a troll" moment, eh? Or is this one of those "what the hell, let's play this thing out anyway" moments?

/well, it is Fark....
 
2012-08-30 09:05:23 PM

CoRrUpTeDbUdGiE: So, I don't eat meat or have much in the way of dairy... well, as much as I would like to sit and chew the fat, I just can't!
1. Never been much of a meat eater anyway. Even as a kid. Chewed it and spat it out and fed it the dog. Just was never able to see meat as part of a meal...
2. Current health issues mean that meat & dairy fat are off the menu as they make me *ill*. (As does most fat anyway)

While my current diet hasn't been approved by either my doctor, consultant or specialist, it suits me where I've got it right now. However, one recent addition of Vitalite to a favourite dish of mine resulted in several minor accidents. And the fatigue isn't helping either. But that's not down to diet or the medication I've been on, it's all to do with the problems I've been experiencing.

Fat, in small quantites daily is good. Less is more. As for vegans/vegetarians not getting enough protein? no - nuts, pulses and tofu supply us with an adequate supply thank you! As for Omega3? Rapeseed oil contains it.
There's so much good out there that isn't meat nor has to be meat in order for it to be enjoyed!
I don't preach to others about my diet, but if there's an event on that's not to be missed, then sure, I ring ahead and get info before deciding. Even suggesting meals if necessary.
I also don't drink alcohol either, but there are great alternatives out there. Schloer being my favourite - the 'rosé' tastes divine! (can't drink because of medication and also because it's too expensive to prove to others that alcohol means social life. Plus, most of my friends don't drink either.)
I'm cutting back on smoking by use of an e-cig. Some days I prefer that to having a cig and there's none of the issues of trying to light up outside on a windy day.

Tofu, tvp, seitan = all just as good if not better than meat for nutrients. Bring on the pulses!
Attempting to create something tasty with chickpeas over the weekend.


For someone who doesn't like to preach, you sure are a pompous windbag.
 
2012-08-30 09:06:16 PM
Is superior to you:
assets0.looktothestars.org
 
2012-08-30 09:07:07 PM

flyinghouse99: Oh, and I figure I might as well throw in that I've gone vegan a couple times, just for kicks mostly. Wanted to see if I could pull it off and I was also trying to cut out a bunch of unhealthy habits at the same time (cigarettes, caffeine). I tried to do everything right, ate a bunch of nuts and beans and the whole nine yards. It took me a couple of months to notice, but I realized that I had completely lost every ounce of libido. In a way it was really liberating, but I knew something was wrong, very wrong.


My aforementioned vegan friend found that his libido and stamina have gone up since going vegan. I politely reminded him that his daily exercise (running, elliptical machine, and dog walking) have more to do with that. Sure, cutting crap out of your diet helps, but the exercise is what bolsters it.

Also, eating healthier has certainly increased mine.
 
2012-08-30 09:08:26 PM
I liked that the article closed with smarmy insistence on ethical superiority. Anyway, my girlfriend is vegetarian for taste reasons. She doesn't seem to look down on people for eating meat. Why does the food you eat have to be a statement?
 
2012-08-30 09:13:36 PM
I find it funny that vegetarians claim that eating plants is more natural when in fact most plants are actively trying to keep you from eating them and are quite bad for you.
 
2012-08-30 09:14:15 PM
Mrs. Kritter has most obnoxious vegans beat to pieces. Coont that she is, for years she was a faux vegan. Yes, in front of her friends and co-workers she would play the vegan card. Quite often someone would have to go out of their way to accommodate her wishes. At home nights & weekends she would gladly eat the meat, you betcha. I'm a decent cook and she loves it. Crazy biatch.

What is crazy Mrs. Kritter's last hijinx, you ask? Pretending she quit smoking to her friends / co-workers. She doesn't smoke at work, in her car, or when with her friends / co-workers. When she's home at night puff puff puff.

I honestly had no clue she was batshiat looney when I married the biatch long ago. These days I am slowly but surely selling everything I own so I can hire a divorce lawyer.

/TY for the TF CatherineM.
 
2012-08-30 09:18:48 PM
cdn.blisstree.com

Spening some time in Bay Area CA, I have met and seen countless of the former.
 
2012-08-30 09:22:34 PM
This thread is awesome because it proves the inverse of the standard idea of "vegetarians are the biggest douches."

It amazes me still how many people are concerned about what others eat.
 
2012-08-30 09:23:08 PM

whidbey: Gawdzila: whidbey: But obviously, with vegetarianism, you eat a lot less cholesterol and other crap you take on from eating animal products.

Mmm, except that there is not really any evidence that eating meat is a cause of high cholesterol. People have hypothesized for a long time that eating saturated animal fats causes high cholesterol, but virtually all experimental evidence has shown that it actually causes people to have more healthy HDL vs. LDL levels. It seems that meat has been nutritionally vilified for so long that it doesn't matter what the actual truth is.

I'd like to see that evidence, but personally, it's hard for me to imagine a nice gristly fat piece of meat is better for you than healthier alternatives that don't cause heart disease and other maladies later in life.


Eat meat and vegetables, get plenty of good fat - including saturated fat- and move around a lot.
Also, avoid sugar and starch - especially grain.

Find an actual causal study that shows eating meat causes heart disease. I dare you.
Also look up a guy named Weston Price.
 
2012-08-30 09:23:08 PM
 
2012-08-30 09:23:48 PM

davidphogan: This thread is awesome because it proves the inverse of the standard idea of "vegetarians are the biggest douches."


This is an anonymous message board. IRL, vegetarians are the douches.
 
2012-08-30 09:24:47 PM

El Dudereno: Find an actual causal study that shows eating meat causes heart disease. I dare you.


Is this a a joke?
 
2012-08-30 09:25:17 PM

uber humper: IRL, vegetarians VEGANS are the douches.


FTFM
 
2012-08-30 09:25:53 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Life feeds on life. There is no morality involved. Biology does not care about your feelings.


Came here for this. There is no way to live without ending lives.
 
2012-08-30 09:27:00 PM

uber humper: I have met and seen countless of the former.


Your anecdotal "information" is not amusing.
 
2012-08-30 09:27:48 PM

whidbey: El Dudereno: Find an actual causal study that shows eating meat causes heart disease. I dare you.

Is this a a joke?


Lean meat isn't what most reasonable people would consider "risky"

Other, in moderation, shouldn't be either.
 
2012-08-30 09:28:53 PM
FTA: When I considered vegetarian diets from an evolutionary perspective

so the narcissistic belief that we are currently evolved out of our omnivorous past and/or the belief that a vegetarian diet will make a person more evolved.

you know how I know you're a lib?
 
2012-08-30 09:28:55 PM

s2s2s2: Came here for this. There is no way to live without ending lives.


catholicexchange.com

"Fat, drunk and not ending lives is no way to go through life, son. "
 
2012-08-30 09:29:10 PM

whidbey: uber humper: I have met and seen countless of the former.

Your anecdotal "information" is not amusing.


I find it amusing. 

I agree, genetics plays a big part in heath
 
2012-08-30 09:31:36 PM

USP .45: FTA: When I considered vegetarian diets from an evolutionary perspective

so the narcissistic belief that we are currently evolved out of our omnivorous past and/or the belief that a vegetarian diet will make a person more evolved.


It's actually healthier and better for your body, and we no longer have to hunt for food during the tough winter months, so yeah, you're overlooking factors which support the contention. It's hardly "narcissistic."

you know how I know you're a lib?

As if the person's political leanings somehow discredits what was said.
 
2012-08-30 09:32:03 PM

whidbey: I'd like to see that evidence


Okay, here's one. This study itself points to several more studies if you're interested.

"Based on consistent evidence from human studies, replacing SFA (Saturated Fatty Acids) with polyunsaturated fat modestly lowers coronary heart disease risk, with ~10% risk reduction for a 5% energy substitution; whereas replacing SFA with carbohydrate has no benefit"

Link

So, while polyunsaturated fat is slightly better for you, saturated fats are no more harmful in teams of heart health than bread is.


whidbey: it's hard for me to imagine a nice gristly fat piece of meat is better for you than healthier alternatives that don't cause heart disease and other maladies later in life.


The idea that meat causes heart disease is just not correct, and it came from an exceedingly poorly designed study around 1960 that subsequently became "common sense" for whatever reason. That you (and everyone else) have been duped into thinking that a chunk of meat is a terribly unhealthy heart-destroying meal compared to a nice pasta pomodoro by decades of dogma isn't surprising, but it doesn't make it right.
 
2012-08-30 09:32:21 PM

whidbey: El Dudereno: Find an actual causal study that shows eating meat causes heart disease. I dare you.

Is this a a joke?


No.
 
2012-08-30 09:34:46 PM

Gawdzila: That you (and everyone else) have been duped into thinking that a chunk of meat is a terribly unhealthy heart-destroying meal compared to a nice pasta pomodoro by decades of dogma isn't surprising, but it doesn't make it right.


I don't believe I've been "duped" by anything. Meat is a leading factor in heart disease and so is saturated fat in general.

What's more eating vegetarian does not carry the risk of said factors. This really isn't rocket science.
 
2012-08-30 09:35:12 PM

Gawdzila: The idea that meat causes heart disease is just not correct, and it came from an exceedingly poorly designed study around 1960 that subsequently became "common sense" for whatever reason. That you (and everyone else) have been duped into thinking that a chunk of meat is a terribly unhealthy heart-destroying meal compared to a nice pasta pomodoro by decades of dogma isn't surprising, but it doesn't make it right.


.... and to add, moderation is the word. In life,if you disregard the black and white people, the world is much nicer.
 
2012-08-30 09:35:50 PM

El Dudereno: whidbey: El Dudereno: Find an actual causal study that shows eating meat causes heart disease. I dare you.

Is this a a joke?

No.


Just curious, with all the available information that successfully counters the point you're making, why did you feel the need to state it?
 
2012-08-30 09:37:36 PM

USP .45: FTA: When I considered vegetarian diets from an evolutionary perspective

so the narcissistic belief that we are currently evolved out of our omnivorous past and/or the belief that a vegetarian diet will make a person more evolved.

you know how I know you're a lib?


I'm what most people who call other people libs would call a lib, and also a hunter and omnivore.

/getting a kick out of your dumb comment
 
2012-08-30 09:39:41 PM
SanjiSasuke Is superior to you:
[assets0.looktothestars.org image 450x593]


It's genetics and working out, not diet.
 
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