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2012-08-30 06:17:12 PM  

residentgeek: In this thread:

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Just because we choose a path we perceive to be ethically better doesn't mean we seek to gainsay another's choices.

/I still love the smell of bacon
//don't want the diarrhea that comes with it


Perhaps, but I still argue that there is no actual ethical implication in human diet. To me, it is purely a matter of intellectual honesty in recognizing basic biology.

My body requires certain things, so I eat whatever provides those requirements, be it flora or fauna. Life eats life. I am alive therefore I eat life.

Subjectively, so long as I like the taste.
 
2012-08-30 06:17:29 PM  

farkityfarker: I think the more important thing isn't whether you eat meat, but how much. The amount of meat some people eat is staggering.


I would be that guy. I eat a plate of dead animal flesh, and just dead animal flesh, quite frequently and have meat with pretty much every single meal I eat. I generally only eat once a day though but when I do, it is meat and more meat and meat as a side. Sometimes I throw a vegetable and a starch onto my plate to make the missus happy. She's a vegetarian but she cooks meat for me all the time. Which, frankly, is both awesome and amazing because if she doesn't taste it how does she know how to cook it? It was a new/unique experience for her to prepare meat actually. She does quite well at it the vast majority of the time and I'm a picky eater.
 
2012-08-30 06:17:43 PM  
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2012-08-30 06:18:13 PM  

HoratioGates: I feel great sorrow for the animals who suffer and for the humans who inflict that suffering. 

Yep, typical self-righteous vegan. This is why I'll eat them first if I'm ever on Gilligan's Island.


A little pronoun confusion here- are you eating the vegans first or the animals?
 
2012-08-30 06:18:51 PM  

shivashakti: I live in an intentional community where the food we buy is mostly vegetarian. I'm an omnivore, though.

I don't have an issue with vegetarians or vegans as long as they don't lecture me about how I'm an awful person for eating meat. I'm losing weight and am healthier than I've been in years thanks to the new diet and
the exercise I've been getting.

Live your life the way you want to, but I do think it's healthier to be mostly vegetarian. Eating meat only on occasion. Though I will say this, since I moved here, I appreciate the meat I eat even more.

I was never big on bacon before. But now, I love when we have BLTs for dinner (or TLTs...tempeh/lettuce/tomato for the Kosher-eaters/vegetarians/vegans). Just the smell that permeates the house on a bacon day is amazing!


Oh hell yes. BLT day is best day.
 
2012-08-30 06:21:00 PM  

HoratioGates: I feel great sorrow for the animals who suffer and for the humans who inflict that suffering. 

Yep, typical self-righteous vegan. This is why I'll eat them first if I'm ever on Gilligan's Island.


Yea, and I'll eat Ginger!
 
2012-08-30 06:21:17 PM  

residentgeek: In this thread:

[i.imgur.com image 333x500]

Just because we choose a path we perceive to be ethically better doesn't mean we seek to gainsay another's choices.

/I still love the smell of bacon
//don't want the diarrhea that comes with it


If you fed that straw man to a meat cow, delicious burgers would result.
 
2012-08-30 06:22:50 PM  

shivashakti: intentional community


That term sounds about as informative as "PC Load Letter -- WTF does it mean? Do you not like accidental communities?
 
2012-08-30 06:24:01 PM  
I did eat a strict vegan diet for 3 months to see how it affected my cholesterol. It went down by 1 farking point. Now we eat mostly vegetarian, however, probably have meat 2-3 times per month. We call it a flexetarian diet.

The vegetarians I have met since starting this are actually really nice. However, I did meet two raw food vegans who were total biatches. Both were hot...if you don't mind the whole "I know I have a nice body, and you would too if you ate like me' attitude.

I say eat what you are comfortable with and do it because it satisfies you...not because it makes you part of a group. If you want a cause to get behind, there are much bigger problems than human carnivores.
 
2012-08-30 06:25:05 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Tatterdemalian: Because the vegans are malnourishing themselves for the sake of their belief,

Citation needed.

Actually, there was a brief movement in the 70's and early 80's (it was common on my college campus, just not for very long) to do things like only eat fruit, unprocessed raw vegetables, and completely eschew processed foods (even so much as "processed by cooking"), meat, dairy, and all those "bad" foods.

The human body just can't survive on raw fruits and vegetables for very long, and people were getting ill from such a diet if they managed to stay on it for more than a week or two. Most vegans are not so extreme anymore and try to do better--that whole "fruitarian movement" was entirely spiritual.


---Did you read Steve Jobs biography? He was into this only eating fruit and raw vegetables for several years. Other times nothing but one or two types of fruits. Later chapters talk about how all his crazy diets might have hurt his long term health and how a more traditional vegetarian diet might have been good for him.

/ Not all Vegetarians are douches, unfortunately the ones that are seem to get all the press.
 
2012-08-30 06:25:13 PM  

HoratioGates: I feel great sorrow for the animals who suffer and for the humans who inflict that suffering. 

Yep, typical self-righteous vegan. This is why I'll eat them first if I'm ever on Gilligan's Island.


What about animals who suffer at the hands of non-human animals? Any sorrow for them?
 
2012-08-30 06:26:25 PM  

jshine: shivashakti: intentional community

That term sounds about as informative as "PC Load Letter -- WTF does it mean? Do you not like accidental communities?


I think it's some sort of internet-era euphemism for hippie commune.
 
2012-08-30 06:26:41 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: residentgeek: In this thread:

[i.imgur.com image 333x500]

Just because we choose a path we perceive to be ethically better doesn't mean we seek to gainsay another's choices.

/I still love the smell of bacon
//don't want the diarrhea that comes with it

Perhaps, but I still argue that there is no actual ethical implication in human diet. To me, it is purely a matter of intellectual honesty in recognizing basic biology.

My body requires certain things, so I eat whatever provides those requirements, be it flora or fauna. Life eats life. I am alive therefore I eat life.

Subjectively, so long as I like the taste.


If you're willing to forego the sentience branch of the argument tree, ok. But the factory farming and degree of suffering that the animals we process for the dinner table go through is still a fact, and it's not a difficult thing to understand that some of us don't want a part in that.

But, as you say, life eats life. I'm a student of MIchael Pollan for the most part--we should be eating food more than anything else. That I am a little choosier about which bits of life I eat because of the sentience angle doesn't negate that, which is why I only make noise if someone tries to give me the runs by sneaking flesh into my salad. Or knocks down those scary strawmen upthread to look like a badass.
 
2012-08-30 06:28:42 PM  

swingerofbirches: Mishno: swingerofbirches: I'm a self-loathing vegetarian mainly because I feel I would be much healthier if I could bring myself to eat meat.

Try some bacon. I've heard of it being called the "gateway meat" for vegitarians.

Usch (that's a Swedish exclamation you say when you wince at something-I haven't found a better English equivalent). I hate just the smell of bacon.


GTFO! :-)

swingerofbirches: When I was younger and tried eating meat, I could manage a McDonald's cheeseburger because the meat was sort of thin and the bread and meat were kind of one. My ideal situation would be being able to swallow meat in pill form. I do take fish oil, so I realize I am not a true vegetarian, but I also realize that the main issue for me now is grossness over ethics in that I am able to take fish oil. If I could get good protein and fat from meat in pill form, I'd probably do it. That makes me quite a coward to want to be that separated from the harm I would inflict-but that's where I am at.


I knew someone like you when I was growing up. She just didn't like the texture of meat. But eggs, dairy products, etc., she'd gobble 'em down like, well, like I would eat bacon.

I've also seen Food, Inc., Fast Food Nation, King Corn, etc. and am not super happy being a part of all that. But meat is tasty, tasty murder, so I'm still working out how to reconcile my love of animals with my love of eating animals.
 
2012-08-30 06:29:59 PM  
You know how some "vegetarians" eat fish?

Well, I'm a vegan that eats meat.
 
2012-08-30 06:29:59 PM  
FTA:

It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters.

It's clear to me that the Pope and Pat Robertson believe not that they are better people than atheists, but instead that their spiritual practices are better for the human soul, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of atheists.

See how silly it sounds?
 
2012-08-30 06:31:12 PM  

MayoSlather: Meat eaters that tout they don't care how the animals are treated are far worse. Somehow sustainability and a sense of decency to other species has become elitest. Yes, some vegans/vegetarians are smarmy people with an unbearable sense of superiority, but you don't see many articles about the mouth breathers that openly support the way the meat industry does business. There is no acknowledgement that these animals live in wretched conditions, and are made to suffer more than need be. Eating meat doesn't have to equate to supporting/endorsing cruelty.

/meat eater with discretion


I don't run into a lot of fellow omnivores who don't care how the animals were raised once they're aware of it. However, there are a lot of people who are ignorant of how that slab of flesh in the styrofoam package makes its way to wal-mart.


/ bovine university FTW
 
2012-08-30 06:35:31 PM  

FTGodWin: / most vegs pollute their bodies with loads of sugars/carbs/soy products.


Bullsh*t.
 
2012-08-30 06:36:34 PM  
Not all vegetarians act like douche bag political activist proselytizers. There are some at a company my company does business with. They order food for us when we are working at their facility and they have absolutely no problem with picking up and paying for burgers, italian beefs, fried rice with meat, etc. when we order.
 
2012-08-30 06:36:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: Tatterdemalian: Because the vegans are malnourishing themselves for the sake of their belief,

Citation needed.

Actually, there was a brief movement in the 70's and early 80's (it was common on my college campus, just not for very long) to do things like only eat fruit, unprocessed raw vegetables, and completely eschew processed foods (even so much as "processed by cooking"), meat, dairy, and all those "bad" foods.

The human body just can't survive on raw fruits and vegetables for very long, and people were getting ill from such a diet if they managed to stay on it for more than a week or two. Most vegans are not so extreme anymore and try to do better--that whole "fruitarian movement" was entirely spiritual.


Yeah well unfortunately, that's still what a lot of people think vegetarians and vegans are.
 
2012-08-30 06:36:43 PM  
If being an elitist snob drives you to a healthier diet, then so be it.
 
2012-08-30 06:38:31 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I've also seen Food, Inc., Fast Food Nation, King Corn, etc. and am not super happy being a part of all that. But meat is tasty, tasty murder, so I'm still working out how to reconcile my love of animals with my love of eating animals.


Got a farmer's market? Head down there this Saturday, and buy some fresh, local, meat. It'll be a little more expensive and maybe not technically organic, but it will be much, much better than the factory farmed stuff, both ethically and flavorfully.
 
2012-08-30 06:38:37 PM  
A meat diet contributes a lot to global warming. And from my experience on fark the global warming folks definitely seem to feel superior to those who think it's not an issue. So...there you go.
 
2012-08-30 06:41:02 PM  

Rurouni: The LEAST douchy vegetarians I've met was in California. Threw a BBQ at their house, served grilled tofu and vegetarian hotdogs and chicken for everyone else. Encouraged everyone to eat whatever they liked.

The MOST douchy vegetarians? Hands down in Austin, Texas.


In California, we seem to be 50/50 between Conservative and Liberal. So we have gotten used to living with opposing sides. I would think the guy in Texas had a very big chip on his shoulder. Since Texas is such a bastion of meat eating.
 
2012-08-30 06:41:15 PM  

whidbey: Bullsh*t.


I gotta tell you, Whidbey makes a compelling well researched case there.

lulz
 
2012-08-30 06:42:02 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: And from my experience on fark the global warming folks definitely seem to feel superior to those who think it's not an issue


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2012-08-30 06:44:41 PM  
I was in my current job for nearly 2 years before my colleagues realised I was vegetarian - lunching together most days, socialising outside of work, no-one noticed. Mainly because I don't see why my dietary choices would be of any interest to anyone else so I just don't discuss it. I don't care what anyone else is eating, and even if I did, nagging isn't going to change anyone's mind. I just wish the particularly obnoxious type of person who whines about what I'm eating would shut the fark up. It's none of their damn business.
 
2012-08-30 06:45:03 PM  
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2012-08-30 06:48:01 PM  

Spiralmonkey: . I just wish the particularly obnoxious type of person who whines about what I'm eating would shut the fark up. It's none of their damn business.


It actually is, when the entirety of a nation doesn't eat healthily, and as a result the costs of treating a malnourished population continue to increase.

Eventually this society is going to have to address the issue, and yes, it's going to be in the form of taxing unhealthy foods. I know that makes a lot of people mad, but I could care fark all if it does.
 
2012-08-30 06:51:31 PM  

whidbey: Eventually this society is going to have to address the issue, and yes, it's going to be in the form of taxing unhealthy foods. I know that makes a lot of people mad, but I could care fark all if it does.


I care that you don't care, but perhaps I love too much.
 
2012-08-30 06:53:37 PM  

residentgeek: Agent Smiths Laugh: residentgeek: In this thread:

[i.imgur.com image 333x500]

Just because we choose a path we perceive to be ethically better doesn't mean we seek to gainsay another's choices.

/I still love the smell of bacon
//don't want the diarrhea that comes with it

Perhaps, but I still argue that there is no actual ethical implication in human diet. To me, it is purely a matter of intellectual honesty in recognizing basic biology.

My body requires certain things, so I eat whatever provides those requirements, be it flora or fauna. Life eats life. I am alive therefore I eat life.

Subjectively, so long as I like the taste.

If you're willing to forego the sentience branch of the argument tree, ok. But the factory farming and degree of suffering that the animals we process for the dinner table go through is still a fact, and it's not a difficult thing to understand that some of us don't want a part in that.

But, as you say, life eats life. I'm a student of MIchael Pollan for the most part--we should be eating food more than anything else. That I am a little choosier about which bits of life I eat because of the sentience angle doesn't negate that, which is why I only make noise if someone tries to give me the runs by sneaking flesh into my salad. Or knocks down those scary strawmen upthread to look like a badass.


That depends on how you define sentience, a grey area in its own right. Are animals capable if feeling pain, seeking self-preservation, even emotive responses similar to our own? Yes. Are they sentient in terms of cognition and self-awareness as humans recognize it? Unknown.

I will say that I do believe in humane slaughtering methods. I feel it is moral to minimize suffering in humans and other animals. Thus if I am to eat something, I prefer that it is terminated in an efficient, fast, minimally painful manner. But I do not flinch from killing to eat.

Thus things like foie gras, and shark fin offend me for the unnecessarily cruel and wasteful manner of their production. This does give me some ethical qualms about how big industry handles food animals, and I like it when I see improvements in that regard.

At the end of the day, however, something must die so that I may live. I accept that.
 
2012-08-30 06:56:36 PM  

orbister: There's a simply distinction here. Nice vegetarians and vegans call it "meat". Self righteous ones call it "flesh". If someone says "I don't eat ... (little pause, slight sneer) ... flesh" you know they're up themselves.


And Germans.
 
2012-08-30 06:59:29 PM  
And just because:

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2012-08-30 07:02:55 PM  

RexTalionis:

"It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters. Why do many people so readily confuse these two things?"

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that both Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau referred to vegetarianism as the ethically superior thing to do. If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?


Yeah, that's pretty much how I I read it. The writer tries to obfuscate things by using quotes from a couple of vegans who say that they don't feel superior (of course they'd say that), but they both clearly believe that vegetarianism or veganism is a morally superior position, and said as much outright.
 
2012-08-30 07:03:37 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: orbister: There's a simply distinction here. Nice vegetarians and vegans call it "meat". Self righteous ones call it "flesh". If someone says "I don't eat ... (little pause, slight sneer) ... flesh" you know they're up themselves.

And Germans.


Ich bin ein stolzer Fleischfresser!
 
2012-08-30 07:04:50 PM  
I don't.

I find it interesting that I can usually agree with carnivores on the best tasting beers or whisky though.
 
2012-08-30 07:05:23 PM  
Ultimately the question of ethics in food consumption ignores the root of the matter: it's natural for us to eat meat when possible, as our omnivorous diet is the result of hundreds of thousands of years of selection in the natural order of things. At the same time, nature itself is non-ethical: the morality of an action is not a component of how well that action is persevered through natural selection. To impose fluid human morality into an amoral universe is the height of anthropomorphic arrogance.

I choose to eat meat not out of ethics or morality, but because it's natural. I choose to roll around in raw hamburger and slather myself with bacon grease not because it's natural, but because it's fun. When I assemble my meat parka from the remains of crudely butchered woodland creatures and household pets, when I cavort in the woodland hollows wearing only a shamanistic mask made of smoked weasels, then and only then am I truly part of the natural world.
 
2012-08-30 07:08:45 PM  
Agent Smiths Laugh:
That depends on how you define sentience, a grey area in its own right. Are animals capable if feeling pain, seeking self-preservation, even emotive responses similar to our own? Yes. Are they sentient in terms of cognition and self-awareness as humans recognize it? Unknown.


Fortunately, the first part satisfies the necessary and sufficient conditions of the sentience argument re: suffering. Must an animal think and reason to be capable of suffering? No, and whether or not we can know the subjective state of an animal's psyche should not limit our compassion given that.


I will say that I do believe in humane slaughtering methods. I feel it is moral to minimize suffering in humans and other animals. Thus if I am to eat something, I prefer that it is terminated in an efficient, fast, minimally painful manner. But I do not flinch from killing to eat.


And that's why I don't make ruckus unless it gets brought to my doorstep--because, as you have demonstrated, there are ethically advanced approaches to omnivory. My fights usually end up with people like my cousin who, last Thanksgiving, start needling me about how mushrooms feel, or my father in law, who microwaved a hotdog and then thoughtlessly laid it down on my plate while I was getting something from the pantry.
 
2012-08-30 07:10:41 PM  

cptjeff: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I've also seen Food, Inc., Fast Food Nation, King Corn, etc. and am not super happy being a part of all that. But meat is tasty, tasty murder, so I'm still working out how to reconcile my love of animals with my love of eating animals.

Got a farmer's market? Head down there this Saturday, and buy some fresh, local, meat. It'll be a little more expensive and maybe not technically organic, but it will be much, much better than the factory farmed stuff, both ethically and flavorfully.


I'd be down for some locally raised beef, chicken or piggy! I don't eat much meat at home as it is, so I don't mind paying more for it.

But I have never been to a farmer's market that had meat for sale. We just get the homogenized kind around here. Lotsa great fruits and veggies for sale, some locally harvested honey, some nuts (walnuts, almonds, pistachios, etc., not the mentally ill kind), some boutique-y packaged stuff like pita breads and desserts, and flea market stuff like candles, pottery, etc. But no meat, dairy or eggs. Which is odd because there are some rural areas very close to Silicon Valley that produce such things.
 
2012-08-30 07:15:32 PM  
So wait, let me get this straight, the columnist interviewed two vegetarian/vegans and asked whether they thought they were better than carnivores, and we're supposed to be surprised that they didn't overwhelmingly shout "YOUR GODDAMN RIGHT WE'RE BETTER!"?
 
2012-08-30 07:19:38 PM  

farkityfarker: I think the more important thing isn't whether you eat meat, but how much. The amount of meat some people eat is staggering.


I eat more meat now than I used to, and am quite a bit healthier than before , according to my last visit to the doc.
It's not quantity, but quality. A hunk of fatty grass-fed beef or liver isn't the same as a slim jim or a fast-food burger.
 
2012-08-30 07:21:32 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: cptjeff: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I've also seen Food, Inc., Fast Food Nation, King Corn, etc. and am not super happy being a part of all that. But meat is tasty, tasty murder, so I'm still working out how to reconcile my love of animals with my love of eating animals.

Got a farmer's market? Head down there this Saturday, and buy some fresh, local, meat. It'll be a little more expensive and maybe not technically organic, but it will be much, much better than the factory farmed stuff, both ethically and flavorfully.

I'd be down for some locally raised beef, chicken or piggy! I don't eat much meat at home as it is, so I don't mind paying more for it.

But I have never been to a farmer's market that had meat for sale. We just get the homogenized kind around here. Lotsa great fruits and veggies for sale, some locally harvested honey, some nuts (walnuts, almonds, pistachios, etc., not the mentally ill kind), some boutique-y packaged stuff like pita breads and desserts, and flea market stuff like candles, pottery, etc. But no meat, dairy or eggs. Which is odd because there are some rural areas very close to Silicon Valley that produce such things.


Damn, that sucks. The larger ones I've been to usually have at least one vendor.
 
2012-08-30 07:22:48 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Because the vegans are malnourishing themselves for the sake of their belief, and can't admit that the sacrifices they suffer through might actually be for nothing due to humanity's natural instinct to believe the sunken-cost fallacy. The act of sacrificing itself becomes proof of virtue to them, regardless of whether it actually benefits or harms anyone else.

/same reason Scientologists keep sacrificing money
//and Aztecs kept sacrificing their children


You wouldn't believe the number of masochists out there. It seems that so many of these people are doing some sort of penance by depriving themselves of pleasure. Then there are the envious -- they're incapable of pleasure, so they try to force others to do without through scorn, law, or other doctrine.
 
2012-08-30 07:23:16 PM  
LOL lifestylers.
 
2012-08-30 07:23:30 PM  

WhippingBoy: You know how some "vegetarians" eat fish?

Well, I'm a vegan that eats meat.


I'm trying to be a Pesco-lacto-ovo-carne-LCA-vegetarian

for the uninitiated:
pesco refers to fish
lacto refers to milk
ovo refers to eggs
carne refers to good-old animal meat
LCA refers to Large Charismatic Animals (such as Pandas, Tigers and Whales)
vegetarian refers to plants (yeah, I eat some of that stuff too)
 
2012-08-30 07:28:35 PM  

lewismarktwo: LOL lifestylers.


INORITE? Amazing how some people realize that their choice-making can be consistent with ideals they hold. Tools.
 
2012-08-30 07:32:31 PM  

whidbey: Spiralmonkey: . I just wish the particularly obnoxious type of person who whines about what I'm eating would shut the fark up. It's none of their damn business.

It actually is, when the entirety of a nation doesn't eat healthily, and as a result the costs of treating a malnourished population continue to increase.

Eventually this society is going to have to address the issue, and yes, it's going to be in the form of taxing unhealthy foods. I know that makes a lot of people mad, but I could care fark all if it does.


No, it's actually no- one else's concern what I put on my plate. I fail to see how my choice of broccoli over beef is in any way a contributor to a malnourished society.
 
2012-08-30 07:32:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Eggs and dairy products can, of course, be produced without harm to the animals, so I'm not sure what the vegan objection is to that.


For the same reason they are against wool. It's animal enslavement.
 
2012-08-30 07:32:56 PM  

whidbey: ZeroCorpse: You eat a billion animals in your meal. We eat a billion and one.

Now, aren't you just soooo morally superior?

Pretty sure those billion microscopic animals aren't a major contributor to heart disease, atherosclerosis and other degenerative functions.


Neither is red meat or animal fat.
 
2012-08-30 07:33:23 PM  

Spiralmonkey: whidbey: Spiralmonkey: . I just wish the particularly obnoxious type of person who whines about what I'm eating would shut the fark up. It's none of their damn business.

It actually is, when the entirety of a nation doesn't eat healthily, and as a result the costs of treating a malnourished population continue to increase.

Eventually this society is going to have to address the issue, and yes, it's going to be in the form of taxing unhealthy foods. I know that makes a lot of people mad, but I could care fark all if it does.

No, it's actually no- one else's concern what I put on my plate. I fail to see how my choice of broccoli over beef is in any way a contributor to a malnourished society.


Spiralmonkey: whidbey: Spiralmonkey: . I just wish the particularly obnoxious type of person who whines about what I'm eating would shut the fark up. It's none of their damn business.

It actually is, when the entirety of a nation doesn't eat healthily, and as a result the costs of treating a malnourished population continue to increase.

Eventually this society is going to have to address the issue, and yes, it's going to be in the form of taxing unhealthy foods. I know that makes a lot of people mad, but I could care fark all if it does.

No, it's actually no- one else's concern what I put on my plate. I fail to see how my choice of broccoli over beef is in any way a contributor to a malnourished society.


Obviously.
 
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