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2012-08-30 02:40:38 PM  
www.joeydevilla.com
 
2012-08-30 02:43:51 PM  
It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters. Why do many people so readily confuse these two things?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that both Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau referred to vegetarianism as the ethically superior thing to do. If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?

Incidentally, first world problems, man.
 
2012-08-30 02:53:34 PM  

RexTalionis: If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?


No, no, no. It's not about superiority. Don't you understand? They're just different. Different from one another, separate, if you will. But equal.
 
2012-08-30 03:12:09 PM  
I don't think I'm better than people who eat meat.

I do think I'm better than people who freak out, apropos of nothing, about whether or not I might think I'm better than them, though. In this or any other situation.

Settle down, boys. I'll buy you a bacon cocktail just to show we're all friends here.
 
2012-08-30 03:25:16 PM  
I'm superior to those who smugly look down on others.
 
2012-08-30 03:33:38 PM  
Meat eaters that tout they don't care how the animals are treated are far worse. Somehow sustainability and a sense of decency to other species has become elitest. Yes, some vegans/vegetarians are smarmy people with an unbearable sense of superiority, but you don't see many articles about the mouth breathers that openly support the way the meat industry does business. There is no acknowledgement that these animals live in wretched conditions, and are made to suffer more than need be. Eating meat doesn't have to equate to supporting/endorsing cruelty.

/meat eater with discretion
 
2012-08-30 03:37:43 PM  
I had a vegan girlfriend. In no way did she consider herself superior (and she kept cooking meat for me and others).

But every other vegan I've met are pompous farks. Although a vegan that's not a pompous fark isn't nearly as likely to be identified as someone who won't shut up about it.
 
2012-08-30 03:43:59 PM  

MayoSlather: Meat eaters that tout they don't care how the animals are treated are far worse. Somehow sustainability and a sense of decency to other species has become elitest. Yes, some vegans/vegetarians are smarmy people with an unbearable sense of superiority, but you don't see many articles about the mouth breathers that openly support the way the meat industry does business. There is no acknowledgement that these animals live in wretched conditions, and are made to suffer more than need be. Eating meat doesn't have to equate to supporting/endorsing cruelty.

/meat eater with discretion


I should have qualified that. There certainly is awareness in PETA and a myriad of documentaries. However it's status quo to mock vegetarians and vegans in our society, and any attempt of greater awareness is met with an angry rebuke by most of America that goes something like "But Bacon is tasty, I don't like guilt...and you're a pansy for caring"
 
2012-08-30 04:18:38 PM  

MayoSlather: I should have qualified that. There certainly is awareness in PETA and a myriad of documentaries


And therein lies the problem. PETA's style is so holier-than-thou, condescending and off putting that it causes people who otherwise might be open to looking at the way animals are treated and whether there is a better, more sustainable model (there is) to go "Oh, I'm an asshole for eating meat? You'd rather a chicken be treated well than me be able to affordably feed my family? Well fu*k you and fu*k the cows too."
 
2012-08-30 04:25:38 PM  
I don't think I'm better than others because I'm a vegetarian. I think I'm better than others because I'm a TotalFarker.
 
2012-08-30 04:30:11 PM  
Well that's just plainly true, Rodney.

Made it, Ma! Top of the basement!
 
2012-08-30 04:42:17 PM  

scottydoesntknow: [www.joeydevilla.com image 600x448]


And we're done here.
 
2012-08-30 04:42:24 PM  
Lots of people think they're better than everyone else.

(First non TF post!)
 
2012-08-30 04:43:02 PM  

farkityfarker: Lots of people think they're better than everyone else.

(First non TF post!)


Well I farking blew that, didn't I?
 
2012-08-30 04:44:07 PM  
Everyone who is pious thinks they're superior to you because of their sacrifice. Christians, vegetarians, teetotalers, people who don't watch TV, people who ride bikes everywhere, etc.

I'm actually fine with most of this except for teetotalers. I don't trust people that don't drink.
 
2012-08-30 04:44:50 PM  
Why did I just read that?
 
2012-08-30 04:45:40 PM  
but she sure likes the bone
 
2012-08-30 04:45:45 PM  
I'm, like., 95% Vegan now. I don't think I'm better than you. I think you're great just the way you are!
 
2012-08-30 04:45:54 PM  
I try to stay out of these fights. It's the people with fake allergies or Munchausen's By Proxy who drive me crazy.
 
2012-08-30 04:46:20 PM  
I chalk it up to people being proud of being disciplined. In western society, it usually takes conscious effort to avoid meat products, and people who discipline themselves to do so tend to want a pat on the back for displaying such discipline. It's the same reason why marathon runners can't resist mentioning to you that they ran/are training to run a marathon.

/vegetarian
//marathon runner
///insufferable
 
2012-08-30 04:46:26 PM  
Well...more meat for me!
 
2012-08-30 04:46:49 PM  
first world problems, man.

THIS!
 
2012-08-30 04:47:22 PM  
Those individuals who publicly tout eating no meat, especially when their stated reason has to do with caring about animals, are thought to be telegraphing a message of superiority: My dietary choices make me a better person than you.

I rarely eat meat because it's not that healthy (I have no problem with killing animals for food). That is, it's easier to maintain a healthy, low calorie diet when you're not eating meat. For example, to get enough protein I eat lots of beans, which are also high in fiber. I also eat a lot of greek yogurt which is high in calcium. So my quest for non-meat protein helps push me to improve my whole diet.

I only feel superior when I hear people whine about wanting to lose weight and then I watch them stuff their face with crap.
 
2012-08-30 04:47:24 PM  

RexTalionis: Incidentally, first world problems, man.



No, not at all. Most of the world barely eats meat. Including huge populations in the 2 biggest countries, China and India, who don't eat as part of their religious beliefs.
 
2012-08-30 04:47:35 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: I try to stay out of these fights. It's the people with fake allergies or Munchausen's By Proxy who drive me crazy.


Gluten is bad! It's bad! Everyone should avoid gluten, it's bad!!!
 
2012-08-30 04:47:38 PM  
To answer the questions:

Probably. Because they're stupid.
 
2012-08-30 04:48:34 PM  
First vegan I met was almost 20 years ago and really made an awful introduction to the lifestyle.

Luckily, normal vegans helped with damage control over the years.

Also, the douche was sooo proud of wearing his oh-so-hip man-made alternatives to leather, completely oblivious to the unwholesome methods/byproducts used in manufacturing them. 

fark that guy.
 
2012-08-30 04:48:42 PM  

MayoSlather: However it's status quo to mock vegetarians and vegans in our society



And then they are the ones who complain about how it's the vegans and vegetarians who claim to be superior, the irony is too much sometimes.
 
2012-08-30 04:49:08 PM  
Breaking news: Most people think that they are better than other people!

And this article is SSDD...
 
2012-08-30 04:49:34 PM  
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2012-08-30 04:51:15 PM  
A pneumatic bolt through the head vs not even being born ?
Seems more than fair.
 
2012-08-30 04:51:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I had a vegan girlfriend. In no way did she consider herself superior (and she kept cooking meat for me and others).

But every other vegan I've met are pompous farks. Although a vegan that's not a pompous fark isn't nearly as likely to be identified as someone who won't shut up about it.


There's a good chance you know more vegetarians than you realize. Most people don't know I'm a vegetarian unless they've offered me food with meat in it. Or until I post something like this on Fark.
 
2012-08-30 04:52:20 PM  
Thinking about it plants are living things too so even vegetarians and vegans are in the same boat as omnivores

How about be thankful for your food and then it is not real important.

/Take a moment to appreciate, then devour
 
2012-08-30 04:52:28 PM  
I'm a vegetarian. Every now and again someone will say "oh, do you think vegetarianism is 'better'?"

My answer is always "of course I do, otherwise I wouldn't do it. That's a silly question."

Now, that's a different question from whether or not I think I'm better than someone else as a person. That's a much more subjective question. If there were, say, an exact clone of me except that the clone wasn't vegetarian, then I'd say I was better. But my dietary choices are such a small thing that just about anything anyone else does drowns them out. Did you give a buck to charity - any charity - last year? Were you a good parent/uncle/aunt/sibling/employee/employer last year? Then you've erased any difference the vegetarianism would have made.
 
2012-08-30 04:53:26 PM  
I'm a self-loathing vegetarian mainly because I feel I would be much healthier if I could bring myself to eat meat.
 
2012-08-30 04:53:52 PM  
Fine. More dry garlic ribs for the rest of us.
 
2012-08-30 04:54:50 PM  

MayoSlather: Meat eaters that tout they don't care how the animals are treated are far worse.


How true. I always insist that the meat I eat come from an animal that was treated as poorly as possible. You can taste the fear and misery, and it's far more satisfying. But some people just don't have that level of discerning taste.

Of course, what's really at the heart of this debate is a conceit that animals are somehow superior to plants.
And, of course, no one ever speaks about the habitat destruction that's inherent to all kinds of farming, plant or animal.
Foragers ftw!
 
2012-08-30 04:55:01 PM  
Humans have been eating meat for 100,000 years. Our bodies are designed to eat animal products. Deal with it, vegans.
 
2012-08-30 04:55:23 PM  
Bicycle thread? 

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2012-08-30 04:56:19 PM  

Calmamity: And therein lies the problem. PETA's style is so holier-than-thou, condescending and off putting ...


It starts in the name. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - as if their way was the only ethical way to treat animals.
 
2012-08-30 04:56:28 PM  
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2012-08-30 04:56:58 PM  
Do vegetarians and vegans think they're better than you because they don't eat meat? Well, of course they do. But why?

Because they don't get enough protein in their diet for healthy brain function.
 
2012-08-30 04:57:16 PM  

swingerofbirches: I'm a self-loathing vegetarian mainly because I feel I would be much healthier if I could bring myself to eat meat.


Try some bacon. I've heard of it being called the "gateway meat" for vegitarians.
 
2012-08-30 04:57:22 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Humans have been eating meat for 100,000 years. Our bodies are designed to eat animal products. Deal with it, vegans.


I always thought that was kind of a silly argument. Women have been having as many kids as possible for hundreds of thousands of years, so we should stop producing birth control. Death by infection has been useful in thinning the herd and creating hardier offspring, so we should stop using antibiotics.
 
2012-08-30 04:57:29 PM  

RexTalionis: It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters. Why do many people so readily confuse these two things?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that both Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau referred to vegetarianism as the ethically superior thing to do. If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?

Incidentally, first world problems, man.


Yes, the two people the author interviewed clearly said they had a superior ethic than that of the "meaties," but the author drew the opposite conclusion.

Like an idiot.
 
2012-08-30 04:57:59 PM  
They can think they're better than me. I don't care. Because the only really healthy vegetarian I've ever met is Indian. All the American ones I know have stringy, dull hair, dry, pasty skin, menstrual problems (women), and a host of health problems. This is because they read some bullshiat self-help book for vegetarians and don't learn how to practice the lifestyle correctly.
 
2012-08-30 04:58:48 PM  

GORDON: RexTalionis: It's clear to me that Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau believe not that they are better people than meat-eaters, but instead that their dietary practices are better for animals, and for our world as a whole, than the habits of meat-eaters. Why do many people so readily confuse these two things?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me that both Friedrich and Patrick-Goudreau referred to vegetarianism as the ethically superior thing to do. If vegetarianism is ethically superior, doesn't that mean, conversely, that eating meat is ethically inferior? Doesn't that mean that they thing being vegan or vegetarian is superior than meat eaters?

Incidentally, first world problems, man.

Yes, the two people the author interviewed clearly said they had a superior ethic than that of the "meaties," but the author drew the opposite conclusion.

Like an idiot.


What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that it's not a binary thing. If I make a superior ethical choice in one area of my life, but you make one in another area of your life, then it doesn't mean that either one of us are better.
 
2012-08-30 04:59:03 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I'm a vegetarian. Every now and again someone will say "oh, do you think vegetarianism is 'better'?"

My answer is always "of course I do, otherwise I wouldn't do it. That's a silly question."


Doesn't follow at all. I know vegetarians who have nothing against meat, or cooking meat, but just don't like to eat it themselves. I don't eat beetroot, myself, but I would never claim that a beetroot-free diet is better. I just don't like the stuff.
 
2012-08-30 04:59:20 PM  
I'm a dedicated meat eater, but every vegetarian I know are cool people who don't rub my nose in their lifestyle.
They just want to feel healthier.
However, every vegan I've met has been a whiny, neurotic, hippie-wannabee who's great joy in life is telling others how to live.
Here's a newsflash: I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU EAT.
Please extend me the same courtesy.

/soapbox
 
2012-08-30 04:59:43 PM  

JackieRabbit: They can think they're better than me. I don't care. Because the only really healthy vegetarian I've ever met is Indian. All the American ones I know have stringy, dull hair, dry, pasty skin, menstrual problems (women), and a host of health problems. This is because they read some bullshiat self-help book for vegetarians and don't learn how to practice the lifestyle correctly.


...having known perhaps a hundred non-Indian vegetarians in my life, I have never met a single one who was even mildly malnourished. I think you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.
 
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