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WhippingBoy: ParallelUniverseParking: Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.You may not have intended it, but your comment is one of the most disgustingly sexist things I've heard in a while.
WhippingBoy: PlatinumDragon: WhippingBoy: ParallelUniverseParking: Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.You may not have intended it, but your comment is one of the most disgustingly sexist things I've heard in a while.Well, you can tell people in general not to rape, and that's an equitable enough statement. The fact that the overwhelming majority of assaults on people - male, female, transmale/female - are committed by men is something worth studying. All else being equal, the rate of assault should be close to equal between men and women. It's not, not even close, and there are people who've been trying to figure out why.You're arguing that most rapists are men; I agree that this is true.I'm arguing that most men are not rapists; therefore the general, unqualified statement "teach men not to rape" is insulting and sexist. I don't know any men who need to be taught not to rape.
Representative of the unwashed masses: Loomy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Keizer_Ghidorah:Somehow I doubt that a person lurking in a dark alley for someone to rob/rape would care what they were wearing as long as they could rape/rob them.[fc09.deviantart.net image 750x600]Then I take it no one should ever take precautions because it's destined to happen? Hell you'd think I came in here and called all women sluts or something. One last time. Be careful. Consider taking precautions. It's what smart people do.And the point being made is that wearing more concealing clothing doesn't really constitute a precaution (at least according to many studies linked ITT). Not walking home alone, drunk, in the dark, through a secluded/dangerous place? That's a precaution. Walking tall, as Ms. Ford suggested, as to not make oneself look weak and rape-able, while also carrying a weapon? That's a precaution, too. But if you're gonna be the victim of a 'wrong place, wrong time' rape, how sexily you're dressed doesn't really play into it.sigh... ok pretend I am a dad talking to a daughter then. I don't care. I have no issue with people wearing whatever the fark they want. Of course there are people out there who mean to harm others. Nothing you do can prevent that. As a friendly statement I would say think about what you are doing, where you are going etc and try to be ready for it.Look we're basically saying the same thing. I'm merely suggesting that in some cases it may not be wise to wear something that draws attention to you. How that's defined is different for everyone. I had my opinion on what I would want my daughter/girlfriend etc to wear in those kinds of cases. And just like assholes, everyone has an opinion.
manimal2878: PlatinumDragon: Wanting to look sexy does not mean wanting to have sex, and we should strictly expect people to avoid conflating the two ideas.How can you have any concept of looking sexy with out it being implicitly tied to wanting sex. I mean that's why looking sexy is one form of dress that anybody could identify and looking cute is totally different. Looking sexy and wanting sex, or at least wanting to advertise sexual availability cannot be separated as the concept of sexy cannot exist without the former.
Representative of the unwashed masses: Oh good grief, I try to say consider the places you are going and give a second thought to your choice of wardrobe so as to mitigate (even though it's only a fractional thing) potential risks and I'm a bad guy for saying it? Get farked! There are bad people in the world, sure it is a very small percentage but you have to be prepared and know that they are out there.Would I wear a my favorite red bandana in a Crips run neighborhood late at night? NO! BECAUSE I'M NOT A MORON AND I LEFT IT AT HOME JUST IN CASE!I wear my seatbelt in a car because there is a chance I'll get in a collision. More than likely I won't. But it's a PRECAUTION. I wear a hardhat on an industrial site just in case something falls on my head.If you're walking in a secluded area with poor lighting late at night wouldn't you feel safer wearing something that is instantly forgettable or a tight little dress that draws the attention of NASA. These are decisions that everyone has to make for themselves. Most people are good and won't think of attacking a lone woman. Just I'm not saying that anyone should be required to wear anything that they don't want to. And I will feel just as bad for someone wearing a skimpy dress as old sweatpants who is assaulted. But don't just on me just because I'm suggesting that people take a variety of precautions when they go out. For example, keep your wallet tucked away, or your purse close to you so a mugger can't take your money easily.Expect the best of people but be wary for the worst of them.
WhoGAS: Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and badSo, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?Correct, I would definitely say this is across the board.You know what, are you ever in San Diego? If you are or I'm where you are, we should really get together and have a beer. I think you're the kind of person I could have a conversation with and understand what you'd I'm saying. Then we can objectify the women who walks in the bar...Seriously, though, if you're ever here holler at me.
WhoGAS: When you target me like this, I understand you think I'm an intellectual equal in Troll baiting and biting, but please don't assume that as I have no desire to argue opinions. You have yours; I have mine and nothing will change that.I can still like you in other areas but when you do this, it really makes you look petty.
Mr. Right: Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing.
WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.Real World != Ideal World
ChubbyTiger: It does not place blame on the victims. It is common sense. Certain modes of dress dress do suggest, rightly or wrongly, certain things about the wearer. That could be gang membership, being a slut, employment by a Wall St firm, whatever. It's just the way humans think./the victim shares no blame, regardless of her clothing
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