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2012-08-30 01:30:56 PM
3 votes:
Three things from Toronto this very morning:

One of the recent sexual assault victims responds to Ford's wrongheaded message, and notes what she was wearing when she was attacked.

I guess this woman was just asking for it living in a "bad" part of town. I used to live one block over, so I know very well how low-rent it is.

I wonder what this woman was wearing when the impostor decided to pull over the car she and her partner were in, and whether it mattered.

Then there's this statistic, from RAINN: "Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim."

So, please, keep propagating the victim-shaming falsehood that a woman's manner of dress (it's always aimed at women, even though about 10% of sexual assault victims outside of prison are men; I guess they shouldn't have worn those jeans or that t-shirt) has anything to do with her chances of being sexually assaulted. Continue diverting responsibility away from the people who actually commit assault and ignoring the reality of when and where it happens.
2012-08-30 12:41:56 PM
3 votes:
Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World
2012-08-30 01:50:18 PM
2 votes:
I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution. I do not and have never dressed to attract attention--I don't care how much I have the right to but I sure as hell never wanted to gain unwanted and dangerous attention through exercising my rights. It is just not worth it. I was always careful where I went and with who.
Look after yourself. Frankly, no one else is. Yes, we all have rights, absolutely, but who the hell wants to explain them to the prosecuting attorney for your case against the rapist or even worse, the coroner?
What the hell is wrong with people? And this is no new thing, this idiocy in the name of personal freedom and rights has been going on for years.
Take care of yourself, women. Give NO ONE an opportunity to hurt you. Accept that there are aggressive, crazy people out there who will prey on you if given a chance.
2012-08-30 01:47:30 PM
2 votes:
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2012-08-30 01:03:24 PM
2 votes:

BruinsHockey: And people wonder why Toronto is hated outside of Ontario


We're not all like that, you know. The Fords are, God be praised, an aberration, a lapse, a freak accident. The number of people who voted for that fat feck is only around 30% of the city's population, and most of that comes from the GTA as opposed to Toronto proper. We got stuck with this guy by our cousins from such exotic places as Etobicoke and Oakville. If it helps he's this close to being thrown out of office for a conflict of interest. We are just as chagrined as you, and we have to live with him, catching up on his reading tearing down the Gardiner at 100kph.

Also, crime is always the fault of the perpetrator. It wouldn't be crime otherwise, and the fact that this has to be explained in the 21st century makes me wonder what would really be so bad about an apocalypse. Doesn't matter if you see a woman walking down the street wearing nothing but a bonnet, you keep your hands to yourself and your pants zipped. She is not inviting you to have a go, and if you think so then please kill yourself quickly, life is hard enough without that level of malevolent stupidity powering the citizens.
2012-08-30 12:50:11 PM
2 votes:
It must be "Arrogant, Self-Absorbed biatches Handing Out Unsolicited Advice to People They Consider Their Inferiors Day" today.

Usually, it's the Republican party handing out more arrogant, unsolicited advice before 9 AM than most people do all day. They must be saving it up for the big finale tonight.

Newt Gingrich will give advice about the sanctity of marriage. Then that Akin guy will discuss female reproduction. Then Ryan, a government employee for most of his working life, will tell us all about how government doesn't work and we need to vote for him so he can prove it. Then Mitt will wind up by telling all the poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work really hard to find someplace to live better than a cardboard box in a vacant lot. Because something just isn't as satisfying unless you work for it, as opposed to having it handed to you by your rich dad who used to be a governor and CEO.
2012-08-30 12:41:30 PM
2 votes:
If lingerie football leaguers aren't dressed as whores, there's no point.
They're models. None of that is Real Athleticism, even though the models may be athletic.
Women's basketball league is real.

Lingerie football is not, so let them whore it up. It's what they're paid to do.
2012-08-30 07:45:19 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: ParallelUniverseParking: Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.

You may not have intended it, but your comment is one of the most disgustingly sexist things I've heard in a while.


You may not have intended it, but your comment to my comment is one of the most dumbest things I've read in a while.
2012-08-30 07:25:04 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: PlatinumDragon: WhippingBoy: ParallelUniverseParking: Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.

You may not have intended it, but your comment is one of the most disgustingly sexist things I've heard in a while.

Well, you can tell people in general not to rape, and that's an equitable enough statement. The fact that the overwhelming majority of assaults on people - male, female, transmale/female - are committed by men is something worth studying. All else being equal, the rate of assault should be close to equal between men and women. It's not, not even close, and there are people who've been trying to figure out why.

You're arguing that most rapists are men; I agree that this is true.
I'm arguing that most men are not rapists; therefore the general, unqualified statement "teach men not to rape" is insulting and sexist. I don't know any men who need to be taught not to rape.


The problem, as demonstrated by the ongoing Julian Assange debacle, is that a lot of people who wouldn't consider themselves rapists are willing to tolerate acts that are, in fact, rape, or excuse otherwise obvious acts of assault because they like the alleged rapist. You're correct in that most men don't commit sexual assault, but I strongly suspect a lot of people don't quite understand what "consent" means, or don't really care. Some of them have demonstrated as much in this thread, and other comment threads. This results in people trying to excuse spousal or acquaintance assaults, or claiming "date rape" is somehow nebulous and less serious than "forcible rape". You have legislators trying to make such garbage the law again. Sexual assault laws didn't apply to married couples on this continent until unnervingly recently, and it is practically ignored in many other places, even though spouses commit at least a tenth of all sexual assaults.
2012-08-30 07:23:27 PM
1 votes:

Representative of the unwashed masses: Loomy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Somehow I doubt that a person lurking in a dark alley for someone to rob/rape would care what they were wearing as long as they could rape/rob them.


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Then I take it no one should ever take precautions because it's destined to happen? Hell you'd think I came in here and called all women sluts or something. One last time. Be careful. Consider taking precautions. It's what smart people do.


And the point being made is that wearing more concealing clothing doesn't really constitute a precaution (at least according to many studies linked ITT). Not walking home alone, drunk, in the dark, through a secluded/dangerous place? That's a precaution. Walking tall, as Ms. Ford suggested, as to not make oneself look weak and rape-able, while also carrying a weapon? That's a precaution, too. But if you're gonna be the victim of a 'wrong place, wrong time' rape, how sexily you're dressed doesn't really play into it.

sigh... ok pretend I am a dad talking to a daughter then. I don't care. I have no issue with people wearing whatever the fark they want. Of course there are people out there who mean to harm others. Nothing you do can prevent that. As a friendly statement I would say think about what you are doing, where you are going etc and try to be ready for it.

Look we're basically saying the same thing. I'm merely suggesting that in some cases it may not be wise to wear something that draws attention to you. How that's defined is different for everyone. I had my opinion on what I would want my daughter/girlfriend etc to wear in those kinds of cases. And just like assholes, everyone has an opinion.


Anything you wear can draw attention to you for any reason. The point is that rapists don't give a flying fig about what someone wears, if they're going to rape someone they're going to rape someone regardless of dress. Women get raped in the middle of winter while wearing snow pants and wool jackets, should they not have worn those provocative clothes? How about all those women on beaches and at pools, if clothes is why rapes occurred those places should be filthy with rapes.

You can keep trying to make attire the main cause of rape all you want, the rest of us will be sensible and stop trying to blame the victim and stop spreading the notion of slut-shaming.
2012-08-30 07:07:40 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: ParallelUniverseParking: Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.

You may not have intended it, but your comment is one of the most disgustingly sexist things I've heard in a while.


Well, you can tell people in general not to rape, and that's an equitable enough statement. The fact that the overwhelming majority of assaults on people - male, female, transmale/female - are committed by men is something worth studying. All else being equal, the rate of assault should be close to equal between men and women. It's not, not even close, and there are people who've been trying to figure out why.
2012-08-30 06:49:35 PM
1 votes:
Don't teach women what to wear - teach men not to rape.
2012-08-30 06:48:26 PM
1 votes:
Does expressing intense outrage and flying into histrionics every time someone gives potentially naive advice (e.g. "don't dress like a whore") really address the root of the problem? Does telling people to kill themselves or insinuating that they, themselves, are "probable rapists" because they advocate what they believe to be valid safety precautions make people want to listen to what you have to say?

Perhaps if we could drop the dramatics and act like adults, we might actually make some progress...
2012-08-30 06:41:26 PM
1 votes:

manimal2878: PlatinumDragon: Wanting to look sexy does not mean wanting to have sex, and we should strictly expect people to avoid conflating the two ideas.

How can you have any concept of looking sexy with out it being implicitly tied to wanting sex. I mean that's why looking sexy is one form of dress that anybody could identify and looking cute is totally different. Looking sexy and wanting sex, or at least wanting to advertise sexual availability cannot be separated as the concept of sexy cannot exist without the former.


If you can't perceive a difference between wanting to look attractive and specifically wanting to have sex, then congratulations on demonstrating your lack of knowledge about consent.
2012-08-30 06:04:03 PM
1 votes:

Representative of the unwashed masses: Oh good grief, I try to say consider the places you are going and give a second thought to your choice of wardrobe so as to mitigate (even though it's only a fractional thing) potential risks and I'm a bad guy for saying it? Get farked! There are bad people in the world, sure it is a very small percentage but you have to be prepared and know that they are out there.

Would I wear a my favorite red bandana in a Crips run neighborhood late at night? NO! BECAUSE I'M NOT A MORON AND I LEFT IT AT HOME JUST IN CASE!

I wear my seatbelt in a car because there is a chance I'll get in a collision. More than likely I won't. But it's a PRECAUTION. I wear a hardhat on an industrial site just in case something falls on my head.

If you're walking in a secluded area with poor lighting late at night wouldn't you feel safer wearing something that is instantly forgettable or a tight little dress that draws the attention of NASA. These are decisions that everyone has to make for themselves. Most people are good and won't think of attacking a lone woman. Just I'm not saying that anyone should be required to wear anything that they don't want to. And I will feel just as bad for someone wearing a skimpy dress as old sweatpants who is assaulted. But don't just on me just because I'm suggesting that people take a variety of precautions when they go out. For example, keep your wallet tucked away, or your purse close to you so a mugger can't take your money easily.

Expect the best of people but be wary for the worst of them.


Maybe you could tell us where all of the "Rapist Neighbourhoods" are so we can make sure that we can take the proper precaution to not get caught there at night in our bar outfits.

If I'm walking alone in a dark, secluded area, I would feel safer simply not being there. The clothes I'm wearing wouldn't make me feel more or less safe, because the risk factor is that I'm walking alone in a dark, secluded area. A rapist is not looking to steal my dress and my high heels, they are looking to violate my body. I would have to wear a literal suit of armor if I wanted my clothing to reduce my risk factor of being raped, and even that would be no guarantee of safety.

I don't take issue with promoting safety precautions and awareness, I would just prefer if we could focus on safety precautions that might actually help to mitigate risk, rather than just making women feel ashamed for wanting to wear clothes that make them feel confident and attractive.
If you make the decision to walk home alone, inebriated, through a dark, secluded area where there happens to be a rapist hanging around, do you really think that you would be safer wearing a jacket?

/That's like thinking that home intruders won't find you if you just hide in bed under the blankets.
2012-08-30 01:45:44 PM
1 votes:

WhoGAS: Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad

So, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?

Correct, I would definitely say this is across the board.

You know what, are you ever in San Diego? If you are or I'm where you are, we should really get together and have a beer. I think you're the kind of person I could have a conversation with and understand what you'd I'm saying. Then we can objectify the women who walks in the bar...

Seriously, though, if you're ever here holler at me.


Uh, no. I don't think so. I don't break bread with people who want to punish victims of crimes based on what they're wearing.
2012-08-30 01:38:51 PM
1 votes:
I think we need to test this hypothesis by raping WhoGAS over and over again in different types of clothes.

what a sub-human.
2012-08-30 01:30:51 PM
1 votes:

WhoGAS:
When you target me like this, I understand you think I'm an intellectual equal in Troll baiting and biting, but please don't assume that as I have no desire to argue opinions. You have yours; I have mine and nothing will change that.

I can still like you in other areas but when you do this, it really makes you look petty.


Oh, you. I'm neither trolling nor targeting you. I merely copied your words, to be forever immortalized as representative of you. As you note, we disagree in opinion, and you are welcome to yours... Just as I'm welcome to judge you based on yours, and espouse a fervent wish that you express your opinion to everyone you meet, particularly women. After all, you feel it's nothing to be ashamed of, no?
2012-08-30 01:25:41 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing.


Not that I don't disagree with the rest of your post - and in fact, agree wholeheartedly with the second paragraph - I do want a citation for this, because I believe I've seen the opposite: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.
2012-08-30 01:22:58 PM
1 votes:
Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing. Violent, coercive rape is not about sex - it's about terrorizing, dominating, controlling, and generally showing disregard and contempt for the victim. What a woman is wearing has no affect on violent, psychotic rapists.

Lingerie football players dress to titillate. Any guy who makes a pass at one and is rebuffed but continues to harass the player needs to be locked up. Not only because of harassing the woman but because he is ruining it for the rest of us who are responsible adults and can enjoy such displays of feminine pulchritude without losing control. Attractive women who dress scantily need to be praised and encouraged, not harassed.
2012-08-30 01:20:43 PM
1 votes:
Rape victims aren't all dressed like whores or something. I could see it as being perhaps a bad idea, to go for a whorish look if you aren't as "available" as you appear.. consider your audience, perhaps? However, that has nothing to do with rape, merely a comment on your apparent sluttiness, versus your actual sluttiness.

It'll never change the fact that committing rape is illegal and immoral who act is solely the fault of the person committing it. The reality is that folks break laws all the time.

It just seems to make sense to be clear and be sure there's no mixed signal being sent regarding your willingness to have sex. Again, on a normal person it makes no difference what you wear, rape is wrong and your clothing will not create rapists. However, to someone who IS a rapist, you could be profiled as a person who is an "easy target", or less likely to be believed if they were caught, etc.

In that regard, it set's you up as a more appealing target. Rape isn't about sex, it's about control, and if you appear controllable, you are a preferred target. A slut who isn't going to be beleived in court, is easier to control. Dressing/acting whorishly set's up a situation where someone can act as a character witness and say "Hey, look how she's dressed, she had it coming." or "She's obviously tried to lure men in to accuse them of rape." etc. It doesn't make them right, but in a courtroom it could create a shadow of doubt regarding your character, and raise the possibility that you may have actually acted to entrap someone. Considering your sole "sin" was to wear slutty clothes, it seems like a hell of a price to pay, losing your respectability, and apparent reliability as a witness in a case where you were the victim.

I wear a Buc's shirt sometimes (laundry day), and suddenly find myself being included in various sports discussions. I don't care about sports at all. I'm actually mystified by the appeal, but I'm a minority in that regard, apparently. As a result, I avoid wearing that shirt, because I'm pretty sure I come across as an idiot when I tell 'em I don't know the first thing about sports, while wearing a team shirt. It's not me, so I stay away from it, unless I know I'm hanging out with other folks that also don't care about sports.
2012-08-30 01:17:38 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World


Do the right thing and kill yourself.
2012-08-30 01:06:12 PM
1 votes:
I am going to weigh in with a yes-but... Yes, it is wrong to imply that a victim is in any way at fault, but dressing in a way that stands out may make an attack more likely. People notice that.

Oh well people make with more pictures of LFL players!
2012-08-30 12:55:40 PM
1 votes:

ChubbyTiger: It does not place blame on the victims. It is common sense. Certain modes of dress dress do suggest, rightly or wrongly, certain things about the wearer. That could be gang membership, being a slut, employment by a Wall St firm, whatever. It's just the way humans think.

/the victim shares no blame, regardless of her clothing


The type of man who would rape a woman is going to do it regardless of the clothes she wears.
2012-08-30 12:51:32 PM
1 votes:
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... i'm... ok with this.
2012-08-30 12:51:09 PM
1 votes:
It does not place blame on the victims. It is common sense. Certain modes of dress dress do suggest, rightly or wrongly, certain things about the wearer. That could be gang membership, being a slut, employment by a Wall St firm, whatever. It's just the way humans think.

/the victim shares no blame, regardless of her clothing
2012-08-30 12:47:24 PM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World


Yes, because sensibly dressed women never get raped.
2012-08-30 12:47:12 PM
1 votes:
Man, the Ford gene runs strong in her.
2012-08-30 12:42:25 PM
1 votes:
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So according to her logic, she is just asking for it on the field.

Way to blame the victim.
Stupid victims not preventing the urges of men. 

Also:
FTA:Her advice to "carry mace" is also controversial, since mace is a prohibited and restricted weapon.
2012-08-30 12:41:35 PM
1 votes:
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2012-08-30 11:30:30 AM
1 votes:
When it comes to rape how the woman dress does matter. That's why women should only wear dresses and skirts! A woman can run faster with her skirt pulled up than a man can with his pants around his ankles!
 
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