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2012-08-30 01:22:57 PM  

WhoGAS: I just won't shed a tear when someone who dresses less than conservatively gets raped.


Farky'd.

You should put that on a t-shirt and wear it when you go out, because, uh, like-minded people will strike up conversations with you! That's the ticket!
 
2012-08-30 01:22:58 PM  
Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing. Violent, coercive rape is not about sex - it's about terrorizing, dominating, controlling, and generally showing disregard and contempt for the victim. What a woman is wearing has no affect on violent, psychotic rapists.

Lingerie football players dress to titillate. Any guy who makes a pass at one and is rebuffed but continues to harass the player needs to be locked up. Not only because of harassing the woman but because he is ruining it for the rest of us who are responsible adults and can enjoy such displays of feminine pulchritude without losing control. Attractive women who dress scantily need to be praised and encouraged, not harassed.
 
2012-08-30 01:23:28 PM  

Nezorf: Also:
FTA:Her advice to "carry mace" is also controversial, since mace is a prohibited and restricted weapon.


She's related to the mayor. If there's anything Torontonians have learned is that laws don't apply to the Ford family in this city.

Drunk and disorderly at a leafs game? No problem!
Domestic disturbance? Silly misunderstanding!
Making demonstrably false reports to 911? No biggie!
Reading while driving on an expressway? No problem!

Laws are for little people, and I'm sure Mr. Ford is big enough that those un-laws trickle down to his relations.
 
2012-08-30 01:25:41 PM  

Mr. Right: Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing.


Not that I don't disagree with the rest of your post - and in fact, agree wholeheartedly with the second paragraph - I do want a citation for this, because I believe I've seen the opposite: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.
 
2012-08-30 01:26:33 PM  

Theaetetus: WhoGAS: I just won't shed a tear when someone who dresses less than conservatively gets raped.

Farky'd.

You should put that on a t-shirt and wear it when you go out, because, uh, like-minded people will strike up conversations with you! That's the ticket!


I respect you. I really do. But only in threads which have to do with Copyright law and patent law.

When you target me like this, I understand you think I'm an intellectual equal in Troll baiting and biting, but please don't assume that as I have no desire to argue opinions. You have yours; I have mine and nothing will change that.

I can still like you in other areas but when you do this, it really makes you look petty.
 
2012-08-30 01:28:39 PM  

Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.


Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad
 
2012-08-30 01:30:22 PM  
I don't deserve cancer so I smoked. Then I smartened the fark up because the virus doesn't give a damn what I think.
 
2012-08-30 01:30:51 PM  

WhoGAS:
When you target me like this, I understand you think I'm an intellectual equal in Troll baiting and biting, but please don't assume that as I have no desire to argue opinions. You have yours; I have mine and nothing will change that.

I can still like you in other areas but when you do this, it really makes you look petty.


Oh, you. I'm neither trolling nor targeting you. I merely copied your words, to be forever immortalized as representative of you. As you note, we disagree in opinion, and you are welcome to yours... Just as I'm welcome to judge you based on yours, and espouse a fervent wish that you express your opinion to everyone you meet, particularly women. After all, you feel it's nothing to be ashamed of, no?
 
2012-08-30 01:30:56 PM  
Three things from Toronto this very morning:

One of the recent sexual assault victims responds to Ford's wrongheaded message, and notes what she was wearing when she was attacked.

I guess this woman was just asking for it living in a "bad" part of town. I used to live one block over, so I know very well how low-rent it is.

I wonder what this woman was wearing when the impostor decided to pull over the car she and her partner were in, and whether it mattered.

Then there's this statistic, from RAINN: "Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim."

So, please, keep propagating the victim-shaming falsehood that a woman's manner of dress (it's always aimed at women, even though about 10% of sexual assault victims outside of prison are men; I guess they shouldn't have worn those jeans or that t-shirt) has anything to do with her chances of being sexually assaulted. Continue diverting responsibility away from the people who actually commit assault and ignoring the reality of when and where it happens.
 
2012-08-30 01:31:03 PM  

lunkhed: If I leave my car keys in the ignition, there's no blame on me.
If I leave my house wide open, there's no blame on me.
If I write my credit card number and PIN at a supermarket cashpoint, there's no blame on me.
If I walk around dressed as a hooker, there's no blame on me.

Amirite?


Well, it seems like the first three could lead to crimes of opportunity. I guess rape can be a crime of opportunity too, but in that case I don't think how someone is dressed contributes to the opportunity for the rapist. More like if they walk down a dark alleyway with that "you gonna get raped" photo prominently displayed at the entrance to the dark alleyway. The victim could be wearing a Burka and it probably wouldn't stop the rape.
 
2012-08-30 01:31:27 PM  
This week, on a very special episode of the Etobicoke Hillbillies...

/Like the Sarah Palin show, but for Canadians.
//The Ford family clearly has no idea what irony is -- listening to too much Alanis Morissette no doubt.
 
2012-08-30 01:33:17 PM  

WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad


So, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?
 
2012-08-30 01:36:10 PM  

PlatinumDragon: One of the recent sexual assault victims responds to Ford's wrongheaded message, and notes what she was wearing when she was attacked.


oh, snap!
 
2012-08-30 01:36:40 PM  
"Problematic" LOL

Can you imagine if a man had said this? Or even an old lady?
 
2012-08-30 01:36:42 PM  

Theaetetus: WhoGAS:
When you target me like this, I understand you think I'm an intellectual equal in Troll baiting and biting, but please don't assume that as I have no desire to argue opinions. You have yours; I have mine and nothing will change that.

I can still like you in other areas but when you do this, it really makes you look petty.

Oh, you. I'm neither trolling nor targeting you. I merely copied your words, to be forever immortalized as representative of you. As you note, we disagree in opinion, and you are welcome to yours... Just as I'm welcome to judge you based on yours, and espouse a fervent wish that you express your opinion to everyone you meet, particularly women. After all, you feel it's nothing to be ashamed of, no?


Lol. Such a silly request you've made of me. Tell you what, if you make the T-Shirt and send it to me, I'll gladly wear it just for you. I will also record any comments made so you can tell me that just because I wore the shirt that I shouldn't have had people attack me for it. It's not about what we wear, right? (okay, you know I'm just poking you here - I won't insult your intelligence by having you think otherwise)
 
2012-08-30 01:36:42 PM  

Theaetetus: Mr. Right: Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing.

Not that I don't disagree with the rest of your post - and in fact, agree wholeheartedly with the second paragraph - I do want a citation for this, because I believe I've seen the opposite: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.


Perhaps the word "are" was too strong. Date rape can be affected what the woman wears. Those are the kinds of "rapists" where the perp says "She was asking for it." Makes the rape no less wrong but that's a frequent excuse. I don't have a citation, just anecdotal from cops and lawyers I've known and the fact that, over the years, I've had the great misfortune to be on the jury for several cases, 3 of them forms of date rape. And in every case the perp allowed as how the victim was dressed indicated to him that she was asking for it. And jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by non-victims as well as victims.
 
2012-08-30 01:38:51 PM  
I think we need to test this hypothesis by raping WhoGAS over and over again in different types of clothes.

what a sub-human.
 
2012-08-30 01:39:44 PM  

Theaetetus: lunkhed: If I leave my car keys in the ignition, there's no blame on me.
If I leave my house wide open, there's no blame on me.
If I write my credit card number and PIN at a supermarket cashpoint, there's no blame on me.
If I walk around dressed as a hooker, there's no blame on me.

Amirite?

Yep. Of course:
If you leave your car keys in the ignition, your car may be more likely to be stolen.
If you leave your house wide open, you may be more likely to be burgled.
If you leave your credit card at the supermarket, you may be more likely to be defrauded.
If you walk around dressed like a hooker... You're less likely to be raped.


If you leave your keys in the ignition and your car is stolen, the person stealing it is still a thief and should be prosecuted.
If you leave your house wide open, the person going in is still a thief and should be prosecuted..
If you leave your credit card at the supermarket, the person using it is still a thief and should be prosecuted..
If you walk around dressed like a hooker... and you get raped, the person doing the raping is still a rapist, and should be put to death.

In not a single one of those instances is it the persons "fault". Blaming a victim is still wrong, regardless of if they didn't take enough action to "prevent" it. And women still get raped, regardless of what they're wearing. Simply attempting to think on a level which allows for a woman to be at blame for being raped causes my brain to hurt. It requires a staggering degree of idiocy which can only be explained by parents being too closely related or consumption of large amounts of mercury, or perhaps lead paint chips.
 
2012-08-30 01:40:45 PM  

Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad

So, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?


Correct, I would definitely say this is across the board.

You know what, are you ever in San Diego? If you are or I'm where you are, we should really get together and have a beer. I think you're the kind of person I could have a conversation with and understand what you'd I'm saying. Then we can objectify the women who walks in the bar...

Seriously, though, if you're ever here holler at me.
 
2012-08-30 01:40:52 PM  

Mr. Right: And in every case the perp allowed as how the victim was dressed indicated to him that she was asking for it.


Then the perp was farking stupid, and needs to learn what "consent" means. Not an excuse, ever. Please teach any young men you know what consent means so they don't land themselves in jail for trying to force themselves upon a person who didn't consent.
 
2012-08-30 01:41:03 PM  
"Date rape"

Never got this term. Ostensibly created to warn women that they could be raped by an acquaintance and dudes that they should not rape their acquaintances.

Erm, did people really need to be reminded of that?
 
2012-08-30 01:43:34 PM  

Tigger: I think we need to test this hypothesis by raping WhoGAS over and over again in different types of clothes.

what a sub-human.


I never claimed to be human.

/And I could use the sex...
 
2012-08-30 01:45:44 PM  

WhoGAS: Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad

So, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?

Correct, I would definitely say this is across the board.

You know what, are you ever in San Diego? If you are or I'm where you are, we should really get together and have a beer. I think you're the kind of person I could have a conversation with and understand what you'd I'm saying. Then we can objectify the women who walks in the bar...

Seriously, though, if you're ever here holler at me.


Uh, no. I don't think so. I don't break bread with people who want to punish victims of crimes based on what they're wearing.
 
2012-08-30 01:46:40 PM  
I should add: it's equally (more?) likely those perps were simply trying to excuse their behaviour by trying to blame their victims for "asking for it" using any available excuse, regardless of relation to reality. Someone who doesn't care about consent in the first place will happily rationalize their choices afterward if they think anyone will accept those arguments.
 
2012-08-30 01:47:30 PM  
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2012-08-30 01:49:12 PM  

Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: WhoGAS: Theaetetus: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Oh. That's your problem. You think we're arguing that it makes it more likely.

No, that's not it at all. I'm telling you the level of sympathy for the victim I would show for those who do get raped. More clothing = More sympathy.

Rape naked or rape in a bhurka = Illegal and bad

So, you agree that it doesn't change the likelihood of occurrence, but still vary your sympathy to the victim based on their clothing... May I ask if this holds for other crimes? If a woman dressed "non-conservatively" is robbed, do you have less sympathy?

Correct, I would definitely say this is across the board.

You know what, are you ever in San Diego? If you are or I'm where you are, we should really get together and have a beer. I think you're the kind of person I could have a conversation with and understand what you'd I'm saying. Then we can objectify the women who walks in the bar...

Seriously, though, if you're ever here holler at me.

Uh, no. I don't think so. I don't break bread with people who want to punish victims of crimes based on what they're wearing.


Oh, wait a minute, now. When did we switch to the punishment phase of this?

Am I punishing a stranger by laughing behind their back, no.

If you asked me what I would do sitting on a jury, then my response would be "I would evaluate my recommendations based on law and not my personal feelings."

You know how this works and I already knew you were baiting me.

Now, you are saying that because you don't agree with one aspect of my beliefs that you would discount the entire person? Really?

Who's being closed and narrow minded here? Respect -2 on that one.
 
2012-08-30 01:49:52 PM  

Mr. Right: Theaetetus: Mr. Right: Date rape and what the FBI sometimes calls "drunk rape," when the victim has been drinking and is incapable of rational decisions, are affected by what the woman is wearing.

Not that I don't disagree with the rest of your post - and in fact, agree wholeheartedly with the second paragraph - I do want a citation for this, because I believe I've seen the opposite: jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by victims.

Perhaps the word "are" was too strong. Date rape can be affected what the woman wears. Those are the kinds of "rapists" where the perp says "She was asking for it." Makes the rape no less wrong but that's a frequent excuse. I don't have a citation, just anecdotal from cops and lawyers I've known and the fact that, over the years, I've had the great misfortune to be on the jury for several cases, 3 of them forms of date rape. And in every case the perp allowed as how the victim was dressed indicated to him that she was asking for it. And jeans or sweats are the most common clothing worn by non-victims as well as victims.


It's also considered an "easy target" by predators, in that they know that police, prosecutors, the media, and juries are more likely to minimize the crime and let them off. Your anecdotal evidence may have a confirmation bias with regard to cases that went to trial, mind you.
 
2012-08-30 01:50:18 PM  
I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution. I do not and have never dressed to attract attention--I don't care how much I have the right to but I sure as hell never wanted to gain unwanted and dangerous attention through exercising my rights. It is just not worth it. I was always careful where I went and with who.
Look after yourself. Frankly, no one else is. Yes, we all have rights, absolutely, but who the hell wants to explain them to the prosecuting attorney for your case against the rapist or even worse, the coroner?
What the hell is wrong with people? And this is no new thing, this idiocy in the name of personal freedom and rights has been going on for years.
Take care of yourself, women. Give NO ONE an opportunity to hurt you. Accept that there are aggressive, crazy people out there who will prey on you if given a chance.
 
2012-08-30 01:51:49 PM  

Bronzemom: I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution. I do not and have never dressed to attract attention--I don't care how much I have the right to but I sure as hell never wanted to gain unwanted and dangerous attention through exercising my rights. It is just not worth it. I was always careful where I went and with who.
Look after yourself. Frankly, no one else is. Yes, we all have rights, absolutely, but who the hell wants to explain them to the prosecuting attorney for your case against the rapist or even worse, the coroner?
What the hell is wrong with people? And this is no new thing, this idiocy in the name of personal freedom and rights has been going on for years.
Take care of yourself, women. Give NO ONE an opportunity to hurt you. Accept that there are aggressive, crazy people out there who will prey on you if given a chance.


Watch out, they'll brand you as a rapist lover for using common sense.
 
2012-08-30 01:53:52 PM  

Theaetetus: This is good advice, from a family planning perspective. I mean, if you don't dress like a whore, then you can't get pregnant according to Todd Akin.


Theaetetus, you outed yourself as a witch-hunting, bigoted feminist in the recent "Oklahoma Hate Crimes" threads. Your opinion has no relevance anymore.

Have a nice day.
 
2012-08-30 01:55:25 PM  

PlatinumDragon: Mr. Right: And in every case the perp allowed as how the victim was dressed indicated to him that she was asking for it.

Then the perp was farking stupid, and needs to learn what "consent" means. Not an excuse, ever. Please teach any young men you know what consent means so they don't land themselves in jail for trying to force themselves upon a person who didn't consent.


You do realize that when you're talking about someone who forces himself on a non-consenting woman, intelligence has nothing to do with it - the fellow is a sociopath? I do try to teach all young men I know about proper respect for women. I also counsel them against drunk driving, against driving on a suspended license, and against trafficking in illicit drugs. The intelligent ones realize that following the law is always the best course. Those with personality disorders or other mental deficiencies do not believe that rules apply to them. So they do believe if a woman is dressed in a manner that they find provocative, they are entitled to "have their way" with her because "She was asking for it." No matter how wrong it is, those whose mental defects are severe enough to permit them to believe they are entitled to have sex with a woman on the basis of how she's dressed are not susceptible to suggestions to the contrary. It's why they should be locked up until the nature and extent of their defect can be identified and corrected.
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2012-08-30 01:56:10 PM  
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2012-08-30 01:56:25 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: This is good advice, from a family planning perspective. I mean, if you don't dress like a whore, then you can't get pregnant according to Todd Akin.

Theaetetus, you outed yourself as a witch-hunting, bigoted feminist in the recent "Oklahoma Hate Crimes" threads. Your opinion has no relevance anymore.

Have a nice day.


He's bored and just playing. He may or may not believe it but the inconsistencies he's using and the bait tactics to try to get people to respond seem to imply that he is just having fun.

Don't take it personal. He's a genius when it comes to copyright and patent law, though.
 
2012-08-30 01:57:15 PM  
She's now offered the classic non-apology:

I didn't mean to cause such an alarm and I apologize if I did. I just want women to be safe 

She's sorry that she caused alarm, not for saying something so condescending and stupid. fark her.
 
2012-08-30 01:57:35 PM  

WhoGAS:
Oh, wait a minute, now. When did we switch to the punishment phase of this?

Am I punishing a stranger by laughing behind their back, no.


I disagree. Where they're a victim of a crime, laughing at them is minimizing the crime, particularly where you laugh at them based on an action or trait that is associated with the crime, even if it's done so erroneously. It sends a public message that you believe they're less worthy of sympathy and status as a member of society, and I find that despicable.

I did not ask what you'd do on a jury. What you do in public is enough.
 
2012-08-30 01:59:18 PM  

WhippingBoy:
Theaetetus, you outed yourself as a feminist


Oh, noes...
 
2012-08-30 01:59:32 PM  

Theaetetus: WhoGAS:
Oh, wait a minute, now. When did we switch to the punishment phase of this?

Am I punishing a stranger by laughing behind their back, no.

I disagree. Where they're a victim of a crime, laughing at them is minimizing the crime, particularly where you laugh at them based on an action or trait that is associated with the crime, even if it's done so erroneously. It sends a public message that you believe they're less worthy of sympathy and status as a member of society, and I find that despicable.

I did not ask what you'd do on a jury. What you do in public is enough.


Oh. Okay. That's cool, then. I can agree that you have an opinion on that. I disagree with the assumption but okay.

Have a beer now? Or did I misjudge your intellect?
 
2012-08-30 02:00:23 PM  
Whenever the light turns green I immediately step on the gas pedal without looking, because it's my right to go!!!
It doesn't matter if I die, because it's not my fault if I get hit by some idiot running the red light. The important thing is that I stood up for my rights!
 
2012-08-30 02:02:59 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy:
Theaetetus, you outed yourself as a feminist witch-hunting, bigoted feminist in the recent "Oklahoma Hate Crimes" threads. Your opinion has no relevance anymore.

Oh, noes...



/now with context!
 
2012-08-30 02:03:31 PM  

Bronzemom: I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution.


Please look over the information from RAINN at the link I posted above. You're more likely to be assaulted by someone you know than a stranger. Frankly, good fortune is probably the entire reason you haven't been assaulted, because you're more likely to be assaulted by a friend, relative, co-worker, or other acquaintance than a random person, so unless "caution" involves "never being alone around any male", your assertion is likely incorrect (and people who point that logical extension of "common sense" out, using the term "Schroedinger's Rapist", are called misandrists - quite telling about the mindset of the people who most promote myths about rape. Not saying you are, just betting someone will in this thread now that I've brought it up.)

My partner has worked with abuse and assault victims for years. Believe me when I say all the supposed common-sense advice means less than nothing; it actually makes things worse by encouraging survivors to question whether they could have done anything to prevent the assaults that happened to them and promoting incorrect assumptions about who is assaulted.
 
2012-08-30 02:05:07 PM  

Theaetetus: Your anecdotal evidence may have a confirmation bias with regard to cases that went to trial, mind you.


You're right, however, we found all 3 of the bastards guilty. Once, only because I was selected jury foreman and refused to let the jury go home until we reached a verdict. The two Teamsters on the jury were holding out for "not guilty" because they didn't want to "ruin the poor guy's reputation and life on the word of a girl who was dressed the way she was." Whether it was ethical or not, I told them that the only way the jury was leaving (so they could go home to dinner) was to reach a verdict and my mind was firmly made up; my vote wouldn't change. Fortunately, concern for their stomachs was greater than concern for the perp's future. 

BTW, not all Teamsters are like those two. But they bragged about being Teamsters and had about the most backwards opinions I've run across in a jury room, that's why it stuck these 20 years.
 
2012-08-30 02:07:23 PM  

WhoGAS:
He's bored and just playing. He may or may not believe it but the inconsistencies he's using and the bait tactics to try to get people to respond seem to imply that he is just having fun.

Don't take it personal. He's a genius when it comes to copyright and patent law, though.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-30 02:08:53 PM  

Mr. Right: Theaetetus: I told them that the only way the jury was leaving (so they could go home to dinner) was to reach a verdict and my mind was firmly made up; my vote wouldn't change.


Henry Fonda?
 
2012-08-30 02:11:45 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: WhippingBoy:
Theaetetus, you outed yourself as a feminist witch-hunting, bigoted feminist in the recent "Oklahoma Hate Crimes" threads. Your opinion has no relevance anymore.

Oh, noes...

/now with context!


It was the only part that I agreed with, plus the only part relevant to your opinion, so I figured I'd save time of the reader.
 
2012-08-30 02:12:28 PM  

Mr. Right: The intelligent ones realize that following the law is always the best course. Those with personality disorders or other mental deficiencies do not believe that rules apply to them. So they do believe if a woman is dressed in a manner that they find provocative, they are entitled to "have their way" with her because "She was asking for it." No matter how wrong it is, those whose mental defects are severe enough to permit them to believe they are entitled to have sex with a woman on the basis of how she's dressed are not susceptible to suggestions to the contrary.


The very existence of victim-blaming "advice", and entire communities who treat assault victims poorly based on assumptions that they were "asking for it" based upon how they dressed, should demonstrate that the problem is at least partly societal, not just limited to sociopaths and people with low intelligence or mental disorders. Rape culture exists, it is communicated socially. Where do you think men (and, distressingly, a lot of women) get the idea that an attractively-dressed woman is "asking for it" and is at least partly responsible for an assault? Because that's exactly what Krista Ford's "don't dress like a whore" statement communicates.
 
2012-08-30 02:12:44 PM  

Old Smokie: "Problematic" LOL

Can you imagine if a man had said this? Or even an old lady?


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2012-08-30 02:13:08 PM  

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2012-08-30 02:16:55 PM  

PlatinumDragon: Bronzemom: I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution.

Please look over the information from RAINN at the link I posted above. You're more likely to be assaulted by someone you know than a stranger. Frankly, good fortune is probably the entire reason you haven't been assaulted, because you're more likely to be assaulted by a friend, relative, co-worker, or other acquaintance than a random person, so unless "caution" involves "never being alone around any male", your assertion is likely incorrect (and people who point that logical extension of "common sense" out, using the term "Schroedinger's Rapist", are called misandrists - quite telling about the mindset of the people who most promote myths about rape. Not saying you are, just betting someone will in this thread now that I've brought it up.)

My partner has worked with abuse and assault victims for years. Believe me when I say all the supposed common-sense advice means less than nothing; it actually makes things worse by encouraging survivors to question whether they could have done anything to prevent the assaults that happened to them and promoting incorrect assumptions about who is assaulted.


Your last statement reads to me like you are saying that there is nothing a woman can do to prevent or reduce risk of sexual assault.
 
2012-08-30 02:25:25 PM  

darkmayo: PlatinumDragon: Bronzemom: I am an older woman and never have had an assault happen to me? Am I lucky? Yeah, there is an element of good fortune. But there is a larger element of caution.

Please look over the information from RAINN at the link I posted above. You're more likely to be assaulted by someone you know than a stranger. Frankly, good fortune is probably the entire reason you haven't been assaulted, because you're more likely to be assaulted by a friend, relative, co-worker, or other acquaintance than a random person, so unless "caution" involves "never being alone around any male", your assertion is likely incorrect (and people who point that logical extension of "common sense" out, using the term "Schroedinger's Rapist", are called misandrists - quite telling about the mindset of the people who most promote myths about rape. Not saying you are, just betting someone will in this thread now that I've brought it up.)

My partner has worked with abuse and assault victims for years. Believe me when I say all the supposed common-sense advice means less than nothing; it actually makes things worse by encouraging survivors to question whether they could have done anything to prevent the assaults that happened to them and promoting incorrect assumptions about who is assaulted.

Your last statement reads to me like you are saying that there is nothing a woman can do to prevent or reduce risk of sexual assault.


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2012-08-30 02:25:28 PM  

darkmayo: Your last statement reads to me like you are saying that there is nothing a woman can do to prevent or reduce risk of sexual assault.


You mean aside from packing heat and drawing on any guy who even jokes about doing something she doesn't want to do? Go look at the statistics and tell me what those women could have done to reduce their chances of being attacked by a friend, relative, co-worker, or acquaintance. You eventually end up at a Schroedinger's Rapist-type situation, which the Fark Independents repeatedly assure me is misandrist and man-hating stuff. Maybe the problem isn't that women don't do enough to prevent people from assaulting them -- maybe the problem is that people (overwhelmingly men) force sexual contact upon others, regardless of circumstances. Barring telepathic control of potential perpretrators, you tell me, based on actual research and evidence, what someone can do to "reduce the risk" of encouraging someone to attack them.

You know would reduce a woman's risk of being sexually assaulted? Teaching men that being around an intoxicated woman, her mode of dress, or being alone in the same friggin' room does not mean "yes, let's have sex". Dropkicking frat boys who chant things like "No means yes! Yes means anal!" out of school and making them explain to their families why might also have an effect.
 
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