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(Yahoo)   The GOP is now calling for broader gun rights, including unlimited capacity for bullets within guns, because obviously when I look at the aftermath of this summer what I think is "we need guns with more bullets"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 458
    More: Asinine, GOP, David Keene, mass shooting, semiautomatic firearms, Sounds Good, assault weapons, NRA, Gabrielle Giffords  
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2012-09-01 02:00:04 AM

sprawl15: Empty Matchbook: sprawl15: Empty Matchbook: Eh, the point still stands as you could say they're the same thing.

Paper targets are people, my friend.

Not REALLY my point, but sure.

No, you're right. You COULD say that going to the range and shooting at paper targets is exactly the same thing as killing people.

You'd have to be a farking idiot to say that, but you went ahead and did it anyway.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Actually, I was referring to the tendency of people to say "these people were killed in a car accident, clearly wheels/cars need to be banned!" whenever there's a mass shooting involving guns.

Possibly because people would like to prioritize reactions based on the threat's danger to society.


There's still a difference between "Oops" and "DIE DIE DIE!".
 
2012-09-01 02:45:48 AM

sprawl15: Empty Matchbook: sprawl15: Empty Matchbook: Eh, the point still stands as you could say they're the same thing.

Paper targets are people, my friend.

Not REALLY my point, but sure.

No, you're right. You COULD say that going to the range and shooting at paper targets is exactly the same thing as killing people.

You'd have to be a farking idiot to say that, but you went ahead and did it anyway.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Actually, I was referring to the tendency of people to say "these people were killed in a car accident, clearly wheels/cars need to be banned!" whenever there's a mass shooting involving guns.

Possibly because people would like to prioritize reactions based on the threat's danger to society.


Oh YES! That's PRECISELY what I said. Or, wait! You're taking what a said to a hilarious extreme to avoid actually talking about the problem like a rational human being!

/it's definitely one OR the other!
 
2012-09-01 03:25:10 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: There's still a difference between "Oops" and "DIE DIE DIE!".


I don't think stomping your feet and resorting to absurd generalities is going to justify your assertion that it's better to have 14 dead by accident than 12 dead by murder.

Empty Matchbook: Oh YES! That's PRECISELY what I said.


It is:

Empty Matchbook: The SOLE purpose [of a gun] is to maim or kill OR to practice at being more effective at maiming or killing.


Empty Matchbook: Eh, the point still stands as you could say they're the same thing.

 
2012-09-01 10:12:56 AM
The sad part is that Obama could steal the gun rights issue away from republicans with relative ease. He just has to undo the Hugh's amendment and/or remove SBR and suppressor restrictions from the NFA.

Crime rates go unchanged and gun lovers will flee from Romney and the NRA in droves.

/Even a smaller token, like lifting the import ban, would drive a wedge between the right and gun owners.
/The support of the Brady bunch isn't worth nearly as much.
 
2012-09-01 10:21:50 AM

Fail in Human Form: I'd like to see a nation wide CCW permit and the 86 ban repealed.


That would be Hr-822

Introduced bi-partisan and passed Bi-partisan. Harry Reid refuses to take it up for vote.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Well regulated: Equipped and trained to national standards, disciplined, proficient, and under civilian-led military command.
The Founders had in mind a militia system much like that of the modern-day Swiss.


The founders also understood (per federalist 28) that in times of crisis, a well-equipped/regulated, etc citizenry would be able to handle themselves. We see it today in the even of natural disasters in some areas, firearms become the way by which people defend themselves and their families and gather food.

CSB: Was working with a cell tower restoration crew in the aftermath of the Alabama Tornados. The Alabama guard was walking around with cadaver dogs and came up on the foreman for our crew, asked him if he was carrying and said "Good, we cant be everywhere" when the foreman responded in the affirmative.
 
2012-09-01 11:09:53 AM

o5iiawah: Fail in Human Form: I'd like to see a nation wide CCW permit and the 86 ban repealed.

That would be Hr-822

Introduced bi-partisan and passed Bi-partisan. Harry Reid refuses to take it up for vote.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Well regulated: Equipped and trained to national standards, disciplined, proficient, and under civilian-led military command.
The Founders had in mind a militia system much like that of the modern-day Swiss.

The founders also understood (per federalist 28) that in times of crisis, a well-equipped/regulated, etc citizenry would be able to handle themselves. We see it today in the even of natural disasters in some areas, firearms become the way by which people defend themselves and their families and gather food.

CSB: Was working with a cell tower restoration crew in the aftermath of the Alabama Tornados. The Alabama guard was walking around with cadaver dogs and came up on the foreman for our crew, asked him if he was carrying and said "Good, we cant be everywhere" when the foreman responded in the affirmative.


Thanks, I didn't realize there was a bill trying to do just that. Off to look at the bill then write the congress critter.
 
2012-09-01 06:25:49 PM

sprawl15: Keizer_Ghidorah: There's still a difference between "Oops" and "DIE DIE DIE!".

I don't think stomping your feet and resorting to absurd generalities is going to justify your assertion that it's better to have 14 dead by accident than 12 dead by murder.

Empty Matchbook: Oh YES! That's PRECISELY what I said.

It is:Empty Matchbook: The SOLE purpose [of a gun] is to maim or kill OR to practice at being more effective at maiming or killing.

Empty Matchbook: Eh, the point still stands as you could say they're the same thing.


Dude, when did I ever say that having oen group dead is BETTER than the other? When the fark have I said ANYTHING besides "Comparing an accident to a deliberate act and proclaiming that we should ban the accident-related thing" is nonsensical? Seriously, stop making up things and saying I said it.
 
2012-09-01 10:52:28 PM

Fail in Human Form: Thanks, I didn't realize there was a bill trying to do just that. Off to look at the bill then write the congress critter.


It isn't a national right to carry but means that states have to honor each others CCW permits just as they do loans, marriages and drivers licenses. It has already passed with large bipartisan support in the house. It was introduced in part by Blue-dog democrat and former NFL QB Heath Schuler (D-NC I think)

Might be better to write your senator and demand that it be called up at least for a vote. Reid seems reluctant, pass or fail, to make it known where democratic senators stand on certain issues this one notwithstanding.
 
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