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2012-08-30 08:48:24 AM
The more things change... MPAA / RIAA have been fighting the same losing battle for 40 years now instead of embracing new technology.
 
2012-08-30 08:55:42 AM
No - microwaves were also much bigger back then
 
2012-08-30 09:18:31 AM
My first VCR was so big that it wouldn't fit in the trunk of my Pontiac - and trunks back then were the size of a studio apartment!
 
2012-08-30 09:27:07 AM
www.simpalife.com

Inflation calculator says that's about $1,800 in 2012 dollars.
 
2012-08-30 10:36:01 AM

Sybarite: [www.simpalife.com image 380x208]

Inflation calculator says that's about $1,800 in 2012 dollars.


$778? Does the timer flash 12:00 forever with no discernible way to make it stop?
 
2012-08-30 11:33:25 AM
Made them harder to steal

oldfarthenry: My first VCR was so big that it wouldn't fit in the trunk of my Pontiac - and trunks back then were the size of a studio apartment!


Made it harder to steal I suppose.
 
2012-08-30 11:37:58 AM

Sybarite: [www.simpalife.com image 380x208]

Inflation calculator says that's about $1,800 in 2012 dollars.


You know, I'm pretty sure my parents had that exact same model when I was a kid. Thing was enormous. I think my dad still has it stuck up in a closet somewhere as a 'collectors item.'
 
2012-08-30 11:38:23 AM
Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.
 
2012-08-30 11:40:14 AM
1965.

www.labguysworld.com
 
2012-08-30 11:43:06 AM
i.imgur.com

It's like a portable television studio.
 
2012-08-30 11:48:08 AM
Funny how news editing has changed in 30 years. That was a five-minute long segment with people actually speaking in complete sentences with very little OMG EVERYBODY PANIC and no chyron.
 
2012-08-30 11:50:24 AM
and as usual, the porn industry was at the forefront of emerging entertainment technology.
 
2012-08-30 11:55:49 AM
And the movie industry keeps trucking right along, but they are losing more money than ever, right? Right??
 
2012-08-30 11:57:21 AM
We still have our "size of a small microwave" tape player sitting next to the DVR. Still runs fine.
 
2012-08-30 11:59:16 AM

theorellior: Funny how news editing has changed in 30 years. That was a five-minute long segment with people actually speaking in complete sentences with very little OMG EVERYBODY PANIC and no chyron.


Ever watch old Entertainment Tonight episodes? That was a shocker too. Actual interviews. Lots of Quantel and Scanimate. 

And that's not just "editing" that's changed... We're creating a society of short attention-spanned consumers, so it's easier to sell them crap. Like politicians, real estate, etc... 

Look at old car advertisements in magazines from the 60s and 70s. The ads all contained mechanical information about the car.

Now the ads sell a lifestyle, an image. Real estate ads are the same, especially the condo sheisse.
 
2012-08-30 12:03:30 PM
So rental of pornography home videos (which are just on the top shelf in the main area of the store) increases during dry spells? That's gotta chafe the studios...

Also considering the lead-in, I was certain that Ben Saia would be speaking on behalf of pornographers

/ssdd
 
2012-08-30 12:06:13 PM

MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.


There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.
 
2012-08-30 12:08:18 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Ever watch old Entertainment Tonight episodes? That was a shocker too. Actual interviews. Lots of Quantel and Scanimate.


I'd never think to do such a thing, because I thought ET sucked rocks back then. But then again, me and my friends laughed our asses off at Bill O'Reilly's bullshiat on Hard Copy, yet look where we are now.

Look at old car advertisements in magazines from the 60s and 70s. The ads all contained mechanical information about the car.

Oh, I worked in print production for an ad agency for 18 months. There was very little content in any thing that we did. What content we did include was mandated by the government. At this point in time, you're not selling the steak or the sizzle, you're selling the funky interior decor around the steak and the hipster that serves it to you.
 
2012-08-30 12:10:25 PM
bought the 2nd Sony Betamax (2hr mode) that came out back in 1976.
$1300
Timer was only good for one show and wouldn't change channels so I would drag it to work (restaurant) and plug it into the antenna coax I had run down to a shelf in the kitchen. Then I would change channel, hit record and continue to cook everyone's dinners. Stopped it at the end of the program, changed channel to different show, hit record.
Then I would lug the thing home and watch the shows I missed. 

/used to record all the movies on the "new" Cablevision back then- no commercials
//bragged to all the waitresses about my collection of movies
///no one cared.
 
2012-08-30 12:11:29 PM

theorellior: What content we did include was mandated by the government.


..and probably using the font size "gluon".
 
2012-08-30 12:14:35 PM

Raug the Dwarf: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.


Discontinued, but links to MKII. For only 50 bones, I have a few hundred tapes I'd like to copy. This merits further investigation. Thanks for the link!
 
2012-08-30 12:24:17 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: ..and probably using the font size "gluon".


Funny thing, the govt also mandated the font size: 10 pt. I guess people were getting tired of reading the fine print in 3 pt Flyspeck Modern.
 
2012-08-30 12:27:25 PM
Everyone looked like a porn star in 1982.
 
2012-08-30 12:35:13 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-30 12:38:20 PM

MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.


I think CVS/Walgreen drug stores offer conversion. It was more expensive than replacing anything that could be replaced, and was more than I felt the rest was worth. Buying a converter might be less expensive. We used to have a VCR-DVD burner here at work but I never got around to copying them myself either.
 
2012-08-30 12:39:06 PM

MoronLessOff: Raug the Dwarf: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.

Discontinued, but links to MKII. For only 50 bones, I have a few hundred tapes I'd like to copy. This merits further investigation. Thanks for the link!


Damn. I wanted the full set up to have an extra VCR around too. I'll have to push harder for one of those boxes this Xmas though.
 
2012-08-30 12:47:10 PM

TheGogmagog: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

I think CVS/Walgreen drug stores offer conversion. It was more expensive than replacing anything that could be replaced, and was more than I felt the rest was worth. Buying a converter might be less expensive. We used to have a VCR-DVD burner here at work but I never got around to copying them myself either.


I have a few hundred anime tapes from my otaku days that I'd like to be able to keep around. But tapes take up so much space. I want to convert all my vhs and dvds and set up a media device to the tv.
This is the first step.
 
2012-08-30 01:10:44 PM
MoronLessOff:

Raug the Dwarf: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.

Discontinued, but links to


I can vouch for the el-cheapo StarTech SVID2USB2, it does just what it says it will... The software is kinda minimal though, you'll want to find some freebie video editing software to go with it.

The thing to know about USB video converters is that they make the computer do all the work, so you'll want a fairly zippy computer such as a modern Core 2 or at least a high-end P4 with a gig of memory or so.

Now if I can just find a cheap way to convert the thousands of slides my dad shot....

/ still has 3 working VHS machines, including a top-loader nearly as big as the one in the video.
 
2012-08-30 01:18:39 PM

maxheck: MoronLessOff:

Raug the Dwarf: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.

Discontinued, but links to

I can vouch for the el-cheapo StarTech SVID2USB2, it does just what it says it will... The software is kinda minimal though, you'll want to find some freebie video editing software to go with it.

The thing to know about USB video converters is that they make the computer do all the work, so you'll want a fairly zippy computer such as a modern Core 2 or at least a high-end P4 with a gig of memory or so.

Now if I can just find a cheap way to convert the thousands of slides my dad shot....

/ still has 3 working VHS machines, including a top-loader nearly as big as the one in the video.


I just got a new PC with more than enough power. 6GB ram, i5 processor. But I think I'll spring for a separate external drive just for my movies.
 
2012-08-30 01:34:43 PM

theorellior: Quantum Apostrophe: Ever watch old Entertainment Tonight episodes? That was a shocker too. Actual interviews. Lots of Quantel and Scanimate.

I'd never think to do such a thing, because I thought ET sucked rocks back then. But then again, me and my friends laughed our asses off at Bill O'Reilly's bullshiat on Hard Copy, yet look where we are now.

Look at old car advertisements in magazines from the 60s and 70s. The ads all contained mechanical information about the car.

Oh, I worked in print production for an ad agency for 18 months. There was very little content in any thing that we did. What content we did include was mandated by the government. At this point in time, you're not selling the steak or the sizzle, you're selling the funky interior decor around the steak and the hipster that serves it to you.


It's like these damn Chevy commercials I keep seeing. I literally have no idea what models Chevy even has these days because all their commercials consist of is this imagined fantasy nostalgia bullshiat. "Your grandpappy loved America. And he also loved his Chevy pickup. You must love Chevy pickups too. Or do you hate your grandpappy? Or do you hate America?" That's the vibe I get from their commercials. And those damn 'Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet' commercials too. Is that even a real song? I have no clue what the fark that song is. Don't make up some shiatty, shallow "Patriotic" song that hamfistedly shoves your shiatty cars into the American experience and expect me to be like "Oh Chevy's are just as American as apple pie." I'm not retarded GM. Your shiat is farking wack. "Oh this kid is playing with a Chevy truck toy. Buy Chevy!" fark off. Every other car company has updated their styles and added tons of new tech, but every Chevy looks exactly the same as they did 10 years ago. And even back then Chevys looked like shiat by comparison. The new F-150 gets like 22 MPG on the highway. That seems pretty legit. You know why I know that? Because they told me. In their commercials. I don't even know what trucks you produce anymore Chevy. Do you still make that Avalanche thing? You're pushing your new compact out of planes and shiat while Kia is offering me theirs for $99/month. What game are you playing right now Chevy? Because everyone else is playing a way better one and yours is totally off-point.

Anyway, what's this thread about? VHS players?
 
2012-08-30 01:40:04 PM

theorellior: Funny how news editing has changed in 30 years. That was a five-minute long segment with people actually speaking in complete sentences with very little OMG EVERYBODY PANIC and no chyron.


+1 Internets.

That was one of the first things I noticed as well. Good writing and decent unbiased reporting. Blame the 24 hour news cycle for screwing up decent news reporting.
 
2012-08-30 01:41:26 PM

Johnson: bought the 2nd Sony Betamax (2hr mode) that came out back in 1976.
$1300
Timer was only good for one show and wouldn't change channels so I would drag it to work (restaurant) and plug it into the antenna coax I had run down to a shelf in the kitchen. Then I would change channel, hit record and continue to cook everyone's dinners. Stopped it at the end of the program, changed channel to different show, hit record.
Then I would lug the thing home and watch the shows I missed. 

/used to record all the movies on the "new" Cablevision back then- no commercials
//bragged to all the waitresses about my collection of movies
///no one cared.


aaaaand you sound very old......very, very old.
 
2012-08-30 01:43:51 PM
I worked a reel to reel vcr in high school. If a teacher wanted a tv show taped they would give me the keys to the school and I'd come in in the evening and tape it. No programming on that bad boy. In exchange, I'd get to use the camera to do crazy make-em-ups with my pals..
 
2012-08-30 01:54:32 PM
MoronLessOff:

I just got a new PC with more than enough power. 6GB ram, i5 processor. But I think I'll spring for a separate external drive just for my movies.

Yeah, that certainly won't even break a sweat. The only reason I threw that out was because once a friend with a similar converter called me wondering why they weren't getting good results with their busted-arse PIII.

"Ummm... I think I see your problem..."

You're right though, raw video takes up *immense* amounts of hard drive space.

I've never been faced with 200+ videos, but.... I can tell you what I've done with somewhat smaller video projects.

There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.

So if you have another machine (like your old one) set that one up with the DVD conversion software and ideally two hard drives on two separate channels. Capture the video on your zippy machine, send it off to the old machine on drive C:, and have it write DVD images to drive D:. That way you're not holding up your main computer all day.

Mind you I'm kinda a weird case, I have currently have 7 machines running with 11 processors between them, so it's no big deal for me to have one machine doing one thing and another do another, but the first time you have your main workstation go sluggish as heck you'll understand why you'd want to have the conversion done on another computer.
 
2012-08-30 01:58:58 PM

maxheck: I have currently have 7 machines running with 11 processors between them, so it's no big deal for me to have one machine doing one thing and another do another


Have you ever kissed a girl? on the lips?

/hopefully not obscure
 
2012-08-30 02:07:55 PM
Yes I do, but then then the Microwave (or has my dad inexplicably called it "the radar range" was the size of 24" in tv back then, and the TV? well back in those days they counted as actual Furniture
 
2012-08-30 02:12:14 PM

maxheck: MoronLessOff:

I just got a new PC with more than enough power. 6GB ram, i5 processor. But I think I'll spring for a separate external drive just for my movies.

Yeah, that certainly won't even break a sweat. The only reason I threw that out was because once a friend with a similar converter called me wondering why they weren't getting good results with their busted-arse PIII.

"Ummm... I think I see your problem..."

You're right though, raw video takes up *immense* amounts of hard drive space.

I've never been faced with 200+ videos, but.... I can tell you what I've done with somewhat smaller video projects.

There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.

So if you have another machine (like your old one) set that one up with the DVD conversion software and ideally two hard drives on two separate channels. Capture the video on your zippy machine, send it off to the old machine on drive C:, and have it write DVD images to drive D:. That way you're not holding up your main computer all day.

Mind you I'm kinda a weird case, I have currently have 7 machines running with 11 processors between them, so it's no big deal for me to have one machine doing one thing and another do another, but the first time you have your main workstation go sluggish as heck you'll understand why you'd want to have the conversion done on another computer.


Yea, I have my old machine still. It's nearly 10 years old, but should be able to do the conversion. My new rig has a 2TB hard drive, but I'd hate to use up all that space for my movies. When I said hundreds, I meant nearly 1000. This is going to be a long project, but I'd love to have everything in one place easily available to watch instead of having to go out to the garage to pick out my movies.
 
2012-08-30 02:14:58 PM
>KidneyStone:

maxheck: I have currently have 7 machines running with 11 processors between them, so it's no big deal for me to have one machine doing one thing and another do another

Have you ever kissed a girl? on the lips?

/hopefully not obscure


You know, one of the many bad things about being maxheck?

I could quite truthfully say "I just spent a month at my G/F's having wild and kinky sex every morning and night....

But she's from Dallas. And you wouldn't know her."

Damn near as far away as Canada.
 
2012-08-30 02:15:15 PM
www.angryflower.com

This is why we can't have nice things, subby.
 
2012-08-30 02:32:54 PM
I remember our first VCR. It was a Zenith top loader, and yes, it was the size of a small microwave and it weighed a ton. My dad won it in a bet and, as far as I remember, only used it to record Super Bowls XIII and XIV. Fortunately, I got a fair amount of use out of it myself, though as someone else mentioned, the timer was only good for one show. Ours even had a "remote" (It had a roughly 12' cable running from the remote to the VCR) with a single button: Play/Pause. I can only assume it was intended to be used to cut out commercials.

My parents still have the tapes, somewhere. Difficulty: they're Beta.
 
2012-08-30 02:33:14 PM
MoronLessOff:

maxheck: MoronLessOff:

I just got a new PC with more than enough power. 6GB ram, i5 processor. But I think I'll spring for a separate external drive just for my movies.

Yeah, that certainly won't even break a sweat. The only reason I threw that out was because once a friend with a similar converter called me wondering why they weren't getting good results with their busted-arse PIII.

"Ummm... I think I see your problem..."

You're right though, raw video takes up *immense* amounts of hard drive space.

I've never been faced with 200+ videos, but.... I can tell you what I've done with somewhat smaller video projects.

There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.

So if you have another machine (like your old one) set that one up with the DVD conversion software and ideally two hard drives on two separate channels. Capture the video on your zippy machine, send it off to the old machine on drive C:, and have it write DVD images to drive D:. That way you're not holding up your main computer all day.

Mind you I'm kinda a weird case, I have currently have 7 machines running with 11 processors between them, so it's no big deal for me to have one machine doing one thing and another do another, but the first time you have your main workstation go sluggish as heck you'll understand why you'd want to have the conversion done on another computer.

Yea, I have my old machine still. It's nearly 10 years old, but should be able to do the conversion. My new rig has a 2TB hard drive, but I'd hate to use up all that space for my movies. When I said hundreds, I meant nearly 1000. This is going to be a long project, but I'd love to have everything in one place easily available to watch instead of having to go out to the garage to pick out my movies.


Yeah, you're not going to want to tie up your main workstation for that. The nice thing about fobbing the bulk processing off on another machine is *you don't care* how long it takes to do it. Just feed it over and let it do it's thing.

Hmmm... Ya know, I could rent you a few processors and licensed conversion software if you like... :)
 
2012-08-30 02:53:11 PM

maxheck: There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.


Well, the second part yeah. With capture, aren't you pretty much stuck with it taking exactly as long as the run time of the VHS? I mean, unless you have some fancy setup that can capture tape at higher speeds with no quality loss.

maxheck: You're right though, raw video takes up *immense* amounts of hard drive space.


By raw, I hope you just mean not-in-final-format, because you should at least be using lossless compression on the captured file. I mean, it's still big but not bitmap-per-frame big.
 
2012-08-30 02:55:30 PM

MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.


For $150 I bought a VCR/DVD recorder that records the VCR tape in one slot directly to a DVD. One would think it's just one more step. That's a cheap way. I'm sure there's better ways.
 
2012-08-30 03:01:13 PM

maxheck: MoronLessOff:

Raug the Dwarf: MoronLessOff: Does anyone have a good suggestion for converting VHS to a digital file? I've heard there are applications that can copy from a VCR straight to PC. I have a lot of old tapes that I'd like to catalog.

There are VHS to PC converters. I've been asking for one for Xmas for the last three years. I've still got about 200 tapes I'd like to digitally convert.


VCR 2 PC

From what I've researched, this seems like one of the better models.

Discontinued, but links to

I can vouch for the el-cheapo StarTech SVID2USB2, it does just what it says it will... The software is kinda minimal though, you'll want to find some freebie video editing software to go with it.

The thing to know about USB video converters is that they make the computer do all the work, so you'll want a fairly zippy computer such as a modern Core 2 or at least a high-end P4 with a gig of memory or so.

Now if I can just find a cheap way to convert the thousands of slides my dad shot....

/ still has 3 working VHS machines, including a top-loader nearly as big as the one in the video.


We have the slide issue too. There are slide scanners out there but it looks laborious. The bigger issue we have is the old 8mm video he shot. We used to watch them on a reel to reel machine. I'd like them turned to digital. I found a machine for $5000 but there has to be a better way. Any suggestions anyone?
 
2012-08-30 03:04:25 PM

Frothy Panties: Johnson: bought the 2nd Sony Betamax (2hr mode) that came out back in 1976.
$1300
Timer was only good for one show and wouldn't change channels so I would drag it to work (restaurant) and plug it into the antenna coax I had run down to a shelf in the kitchen. Then I would change channel, hit record and continue to cook everyone's dinners. Stopped it at the end of the program, changed channel to different show, hit record.
Then I would lug the thing home and watch the shows I missed. 

/used to record all the movies on the "new" Cablevision back then- no commercials
//bragged to all the waitresses about my collection of movies
///no one cared.

aaaaand you sound very old......very, very old.


also I was making $4.50 an hr and lived by myself in a studio apt and I had a car!
no credit card.
try that today.
(I ate at work, so that helped, took "work" home too, so I could eat at home while I watched my shows...)
 
2012-08-30 03:13:29 PM
ProfessorOhki:

maxheck: There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.

Well, the second part yeah. With capture, aren't you pretty much stuck with it taking exactly as long as the run time of the VHS? I mean, unless you have some fancy setup that can capture tape at higher speeds with no quality loss.

maxheck: You're right though, raw video takes up *immense* amounts of hard drive space.

By raw, I hope you just mean not-in-final-format, because you should at least be using lossless compression on the captured file. I mean, it's still big but not bitmap-per-frame big.


Raw in the sense of a very quick-and-dirty RLE lossless such as MPEG level 1, perhaps 1+ G per hour. The whole point of the dumber video capture devices is to... well... capture video. And they do that well. You're not going to get more than that with a cheapo device. Converting it to a usable format is done elsewhere.
 
2012-08-30 03:23:15 PM
www.moviemarket.com

"Home Video, Hunh? I might have a use for that."
 
2012-08-30 04:10:01 PM

maxheck: There's two steps to it. One is capturing the video, the other is converting it to DVD format. Both are immensely time consuming and processor intensive, and the best way to handle that is to have another machine to do the number crunching.


Fark that. DVD format sucks donkey balls. I'd compress the raw video files with H.264 and stick them on a machine with an A/V out to connect to your TV. H.264 is a fine compression scheme and doesn't take near the horsepower of DVD encoding.
 
2012-08-30 04:18:48 PM

Johnson: Frothy Panties: Johnson: bought the 2nd Sony Betamax (2hr mode) that came out back in 1976.
$1300
Timer was only good for one show and wouldn't change channels so I would drag it to work (restaurant) and plug it into the antenna coax I had run down to a shelf in the kitchen. Then I would change channel, hit record and continue to cook everyone's dinners. Stopped it at the end of the program, changed channel to different show, hit record.
Then I would lug the thing home and watch the shows I missed. 

/used to record all the movies on the "new" Cablevision back then- no commercials
//bragged to all the waitresses about my collection of movies
///no one cared.

aaaaand you sound very old......very, very old.

also I was making $4.50 an hr and lived by myself in a studio apt and I had a car!
no credit card.
try that today.
(I ate at work, so that helped, took "work" home too, so I could eat at home while I watched my shows...)


I know, and I am sad, when you were able to pay for college tuition with a part time job, and I do envy you. Life is very, very difficult for young'uns these day.

/...as i slurp more cabernet sauuvignon...
 
2012-08-30 04:32:17 PM

Frothy Panties:
That was one of the first things I noticed as well. Good writing and decent unbiased reporting. Blame the 24 hour news cycle for screwing up decent news reporting.


That's the thing that bugs me about the whole 24hr news thing. It was sold (at least BBC News 24 was) as a place for reasonable, informed discussion as well as extended features looking at poignant issues which they couldn't do in the 30min evening news; so you'd also expect things like Panorama to move to that station.

Sounds pretty good on paper doesn't it? Instead it's farking soundbites and ZOMGPANIC! Just like all the other ones.

I'd actually like the channel if it was as originally intended.
 
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