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2012-08-30 02:48:23 PM
My 335i doesn't have a spare tire. Maybe they just forgot how to deal with those pesky things.
 
2012-08-30 02:54:50 PM

FenixStorm1: I had a rear wheel drive manual 2009 Mercedes C230 - I used all season tires through a Canadian winter, never had one problem through snow or ice.


My first Minnesota Winter (also the snowiest), I had to use my sister's 1995 Camaro with wiiide tires to drive the 20 miles to work. Because I'm from California, everyone at work was betting on when I'd get stuck. Little did they know, that where I'm from, we get more snow, AND have mountains to deal with. Never got stuck, but my sister did a few times.

/once you're rolling- DON'T STOP!
 
2012-08-30 02:59:04 PM
My '95 Civic is still running great at 140k but some of the other stuff is starting to fall apart. I have to hook my finger in and reach for the wire to open the door, and I have a piece of string tied to my windshield wiper switch to keep them from being on the whole time. I recharged the AC earlier this summer and it's already lost most of it. My trunk leaks and the rear quarterpanels are rusting. It starts up every time though.
 
2012-08-30 03:24:42 PM

FlashHarry: bangmaid: I don't have it any more but I used to have a bmw and the only problem I ever had was when the brake pads went, the roters had to be replaced too. It was about a grand to replace each time, and they had to be replaced 3 or 4 times in 100,000 miles.

/other than that, great car
//5 speed 325 ci, 2004
///traded it in for a 2011 ford fusion
////dont know what I was thinking

i had a 2001 5-speed 325i (same type - the E46). amazing car. traded it in on a 2011 6-speed 328i. also amazing. driving a 3-series pretty much ruined every other car for me. and as for reliability, apart from replacing my water pump at 140,000 and a few other small odds and ends, my old 325 was bulletproof. i'm 25,000 miles into my new one, and it hasn't had a single issue yet.

/you must've been driving like a maniac to have to replace your brakes 3 or 4 times in 100k miles!


I was living in LA for most of its life.... so, gas brake honk, gas brake honk...

FlashHarry: bangmaid: ///traded it in for a 2011 ford fusion
////dont know what I was thinking

trade the fusion in on another late-model manual bimmer!


Id love to, but live in NYC. Sold the fusion and dont need a car right now...
 
2012-08-30 03:39:16 PM
I have a 2006 325i with the radar cruise control and all the fancy gizmos. It has 276,000 miles on it. I can count on one hand the things I've needed to repair on it outside regular wear and tear.
 
2012-08-30 04:18:41 PM
So do I get the 6 series, the SL or the XK? Dont want the A5.
 
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2012-08-30 04:29:17 PM

impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Their mechanical engineers are damn talented though.

My guess is the mechanical engineers let their kids design the electronics for their science fair projects.


I'm convinced fragile electronics is part of the business model. When the stereo amplifier in mine went bad, I was told a new one would cost $1,300 for the part + $600 for the labor. Similarly, when the headlight bulb burned out after 125k miles, I was told a replacement bulb would be $240 (yes, JUST the bulb).
 
2012-08-30 04:45:05 PM

bangmaid: I was living in LA for most of its life.... so, gas brake honk, gas brake honk...

Id love to, but live in NYC. Sold the fusion and dont need a car right now...


ah.

and

ah.

well, at least you got to enjoy one for a while!
 
2012-08-30 04:53:16 PM

wildcardjack: Why do BMW's get such good mileage?

They do half their miles on tow trucks to the repair shop.


Better than Mercedes. Why do so many late model used Mercedes have low mileage? Because, even if they're 4 years old, 2 years were in the service center.
 
2012-08-30 04:55:34 PM

stuhayes2010: Is water in the trunk of your vehicle that never goes off road (not even the SUVs) a common problem?


There's this thing called "rain" and sometimes it occurs when you need something out of your trunk.
 
2012-08-30 05:21:02 PM
Even if you can't own one, drive one some day. I prefer the 7 series, specifically the il. Mmm...
 
2012-08-30 05:40:41 PM

realmolo: There is a reason that Japanese cars are so dominant.


Yeah, dominant at rust and engine failure, you probably live somewhere arid.
It's especially fun when Japanese front suspension attachment points crack and fall off the frame.
At least I don't have to replace another Toyota head gasket or Mitsubishi engine again.
You would probably help Jim Jones plan vacations in Jonestown.
 
2012-08-30 06:45:25 PM

impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Their mechanical engineers are damn talented though.

My guess is the mechanical engineers let their kids design the electronics for their science fair projects.


If you want wiring done right NEVER have an electrical engineer do it. A mechanical engineer will give you the wiring you want, AND make sure it's tough enough for whatever it's going to go through.

Learned this the hard way as an undergrad, ask an EE to fix the cable, get no cable for a week. Ask a ME to fix the cable that the EE busted beyond repair, fixed in 20 minutes.
 
2012-08-30 08:41:40 PM

impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Their mechanical engineers are damn talented though.

My guess is the mechanical engineers let their kids design the electronics for their science fair projects.


That goes for German cars in general - electrical nightmares.
 
2012-08-30 08:54:52 PM

mainstreet62: impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Mercedes electrical engineers are no better. I can't say anything about Audi, I've never owned one.


Well VW/Audi did something similar by putting wiring/electronics under the drivers footwell on the B5 passat/A6 platform (early 2000's) such that if water infiltrated over time (ie, leaky floor mats/snowy boots in the winter), things could corrode causing all sorts of faults.
 
2012-08-30 09:04:25 PM

realmolo: The common wisdom among mechanics is that the Germans don't understand electronics/electrical systems AT ALL, but are mechanical geniuses.

Here are the rankings:

Japanese cars - good mechanics, great electronics/electrical
German cars - great mechanics, bad electronics/electrical
US cars - okay mechanics, okay electronics/electrical
British cars - bad mechanics, bad electronics/electrical...uh...

There is a reason that Japanese cars are so dominant.


So the perfect car is a BMW with the electrics done by Toshiba?
 
2012-08-30 09:07:18 PM

syberpud: VW used to (still does?) wire everything in serial - so when one component has a problem,


So I'm reading this correctly, they skip the electric circuits part of high school physics in germany.
 
2012-08-30 09:35:38 PM
I think the reason German cars have so many electrical issues is that there are just so many damn electrical circuits in the cars to start with, so there are more failure points. I also agree that Germans suck at EE, but the MEs seem to be outstanding.

I replaced the driver's outer door handle on my 1993 325is (a huge pain in the ass by the way) and it had no less than three microswitches on it, each with their own little pigtails and electrical plugs. Two were to tell the computer when the door was locked/unlocked and the other was to tell when you lifted up on the handle so the window would pop down 1/4" to clear the seals. When you close the door another switch (which probably also turns the interior lights on/off) then tells it to send the window back up.

I redid the headliner because it was sagging and found that even the sun visors had electrical wires and contacts running to them. This was so that when you slid the cover of the mirror over to expose the mirror it would turn the small light on right above the mirror.
 
2012-08-30 10:19:24 PM

m0ther_farker: I think the reason German cars have so many electrical issues is that there are just so many damn electrical circuits in the cars to start with, so there are more failure points. I also agree that Germans suck at EE, but the MEs seem to be outstanding.

I replaced the driver's outer door handle on my 1993 325is (a huge pain in the ass by the way) and it had no less than three microswitches on it, each with their own little pigtails and electrical plugs. Two were to tell the computer when the door was locked/unlocked and the other was to tell when you lifted up on the handle so the window would pop down 1/4" to clear the seals. When you close the door another switch (which probably also turns the interior lights on/off) then tells it to send the window back up.

I redid the headliner because it was sagging and found that even the sun visors had electrical wires and contacts running to them. This was so that when you slid the cover of the mirror over to expose the mirror it would turn the small light on right above the mirror.


How did you redo the headliner? Mine needs fixed as well, and pinning it doesn't work.
 
2012-08-30 11:49:55 PM
Wait, so Dexter's upset Dee Dee spilled water in the trunk?
 
2012-08-31 12:25:24 AM

mainstreet62: impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Mercedes electrical engineers are no better. I can't say anything about Audi, I've never owned one.




Audi's are no better. Pretty much all German cars electrical systems are utter shiat.

But other than being unreliable and expensive to maintain, they are fantastic pieces of craftsmanship.
 
2012-08-31 03:37:36 AM
stuhayes2010: Is water in the trunk of your vehicle that never goes off road (not even the SUVs) a common problem?

Once when we had a flat tire, when we got the spare out, its compartment had a bunch of standing water in it, and there was a dime-sized hole rotted through the spare's sidewall. Of course, this was an '87 Plymouth Sundance, so... yeah. IIRC they designed it with a drain so you could let the water out and prevent our situation from happening, which is probably where the water came in in the first place.

Sachlpch: /Buying your own rotors should cost you no more than $100 each for top quality
//Buying your own pads shouldn't cost more than $75 for top quality (set for the front)
///Having a mechanic that won't rip you off...Priceless


What, are the calipers attached with 12-point star-head bolts or someshiat?

/ IME disc brakes are only slightly more difficult to change than the tires that surround them
// OTOH, I got to skip out of changing my S-i-L's Touraeg battery because of those goofy arse-bolts, so I can't complain too much
 
2012-08-31 07:23:00 AM
*sigh* My wife has a 1999 Z3 we drive on the weekends. If you leave it outside while it's raining, the battery dies. Every time. BMW has never been able to isolate the issue, even though I told them all you had to do was spray the car with a hose for an hour to replicate the problem.

BMW electronics = shiat.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:45 AM

Cinaed: My favorite experience with a BMW has, to date, been seeing dozens of them abandoned on roads during a snow storm while my little POS Echo puttered on by.


I think that's probably more of a commentary on their drivers than the cars themselves. I could be biased though, I have a 325ix which is freaking amazing i the winter but not fool proof.
 
2012-08-31 11:14:48 AM

bangmaid: I don't have it any more but I used to have a bmw and the only problem I ever had was when the brake pads went, the roters had to be replaced too. It was about a grand to replace each time, and they had to be replaced 3 or 4 times in 100,000 miles.

/other than that, great car
//5 speed 325 ci, 2004
///traded it in for a 2011 ford fusion
////dont know what I was thinking


My old Acura TL was the same. I got to about 130K miles on the car, and the rotors warped like cardboard in the rain. After a couple of replacements I stepped up to some really expensive racing rotors that were designed to dissipate heat well and they kept proper shape. Forget the brand (a friend into that kinda stuff recommended them), but I think I came out ahead in the end.
 
2012-09-02 05:45:31 AM

impaler: Yeah, BMW electrical engineers seem to be complete idiots.

Their mechanical engineers are damn talented though.

My guess is the mechanical engineers let their kids design the electronics for their science fair projects.


BMW owner douchebag here--- I constantly replace bulbs in my car. To their design credit, it is all tool-less and they are easily accessible.
 
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