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Citrate1007		2012-08-30 10:18:03 AM

Vindibudd: Citrate1007: Shaggy_C: How Republicans see the 2000s:

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You mean when George Bush increased federal spending on a massive scale the economy did better and it wasn't socialism it was freedom?

B-B-But BUSH!

I wasn't criticizing Bush, you completely missed the point on this. I was merely pointing out that in a stagnant economy increased government spending jump starts the economy. It is effective regardless what political clap traps are in office. The GOP response however is quite different.

Weaver95		2012-08-30 10:18:55 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: "I have never seen opponents so silent about their record and so desperate to keep their power," Ryan said. "They've run out of ideas. Their moment came and went. Fear and division are all they've got left."

An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

what are you talking about?

FooDog		2012-08-30 10:19:20 AM

Shaggy_C: How Republicans see the 2000s:

[i47.tinypic.com image 799x610]

But lookie what happens if you expand that view to current day:

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GhostFish		2012-08-30 10:19:20 AM

Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

And specifically which policies did that later?

Headso		2012-08-30 10:19:48 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

Well, when compared to the last republican... from a 2008 poll... Only 16 percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say things are going well in the country today. That's an all-time low. Eighty-three percent say things are going badly, which is an all-time high.

And you want to return to those glory days

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:20:07 AM

Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

Actually it did. Presidential policies during those years contributed/did not prevent the eruption of the housing crisis and the credit default swap meltdown. These things caused the Great Recession. The Great Recession resulted in massive unemployment.

Ergo: those policies caused massive unemployment. Obama's policies could not possibly have been enacted prior to these events happening because he was not inaugurated until 2009. They are thus not responsible for the high unemployment. They are however responsible for the recovery, which WOULD have been much more than it was if the policies weren't neutered by Republican intransigence.

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-08-30 10:20:34 AM

JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

MurphyMurphy		2012-08-30 10:20:48 AM

Why does Paul Ryan look like he has his dentures out?

fark.upi.com

Starting to think that lack of body fat is less p90x and more "diet pills" he makes in a trailer in the woods.

Petey4335		2012-08-30 10:21:38 AM

how about....

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indylaw		2012-08-30 10:21:53 AM

In case you haven't read that novel, spoiler alert, Wall Street drives us into a horrible depression, McMansions are worth nothing, everyone loses their jobs and Americans are so angry that they elect a black guy as President just to say "fark you" to the people who destroyed this country.

max_pooper		2012-08-30 10:22:07 AM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: "I have never seen opponents so silent about their record and so desperate to keep their power," Ryan said. "They've run out of ideas. Their moment came and went. Fear and division are all they've got left."

An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

what are you talking about?

I would assume he's talking about the alternative reality he lives in where Republicans are not actively destroying American while using every bold face lie they can muster to try to blame their pitfalls on the Democrats.

Either that or he's just completely and utterly ignorant of contemporary American political history.

give me doughnuts		2012-08-30 10:23:08 AM

JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

ANd the crash that resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

Boudica's War Tampon		2012-08-30 10:23:12 AM

Jackson Herring: Boudica's War Tampon: Romney wants to go back to 1972. He said yesterday he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade.

Jesus christ did he actually say that?

You know, to be fair, let me quote what I misstated since I misunderstood all the big words:

Few issues have bedeviled Romney as much as abortion has. When he first ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994, he said he supported abortion rights, a position he reversed in 2006 as he prepared to make his first run for president.

Today, Romney says he favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

New York Times and Salt Lake City Tribune

The important thing is Romney's sister is assuring women that Romney won't think about changing abortion laws--it's not on his agenda. That's reassuring.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:24:15 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

Interest is a biatch isn't it?

Also, the war costs were deliberately kept off budget in supplemental spending bills to hide their totals from the deficit. Until they were put on budget by Obama those costs were not visible. Obama may have moved the carpet hiding the pile of IOU's created by Bush, but that doesn't change who was ultimately responsible for putting them there in the first place.

Economic recovery is also expensive (but not as expensive as those tax cuts which also rang up the debt too, thanks again Bush!)

MurphyMurphy		2012-08-30 10:24:17 AM

Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

fark.upi.com

"Check out this guy"

cubic_spleen		2012-08-30 10:25:16 AM

2000-2008? With the death-cultist, sociopathic, Christian Republicans in power, it would be more like 1300-1308.

wingnut396		2012-08-30 10:25:34 AM

Hey this is great. My kid like to travel and during that term he will turn 18. I'm sure the Republicans would be happy to arrange an adventure tour of Iran for him!

Count me in!

Weaver95		2012-08-30 10:25:34 AM

I don't get it. I really don't. the Republicans have to know that we can fact check them instantly, even before their done with their speech. But they keep lying to us. blatantly. like it doesn't even matter to them. How can you tell a lie to people and KNOW that you are lying, know that the people you are talking to know that your are lying...and expect that everything will still go your way?

that's insanity.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:25:53 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Jackson Herring: Boudica's War Tampon: Romney wants to go back to 1972. He said yesterday he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade.

Jesus christ did he actually say that?

You know, to be fair, let me quote what I misstated since I misunderstood all the big words:

Few issues have bedeviled Romney as much as abortion has. When he first ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994, he said he supported abortion rights, a position he reversed in 2006 as he prepared to make his first run for president.

Today, Romney says he favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

New York Times and Salt Lake City Tribune

The important thing is Romney's sister is assuring women that Romney won't think about changing abortion laws--it's not on his agenda. That's reassuring.

Maybe we should elect his sister. Then her opinion might actually be relevant.

Epoch_Zero		2012-08-30 10:26:23 AM

MurphyMurphy: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

[fark.upi.com image 301x301]
"Check out this guy"

"Invisible soft pretzel....Mmmmmm"

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-08-30 10:26:41 AM

Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

Well, when compared to the last republican... from a 2008 poll... Only 16 percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say things are going well in the country today. That's an all-time low. Eighty-three percent say things are going badly, which is an all-time high.

And you want to return to those glory days

No. Things went really bad after the Dems got the house in 2007. Things finally starting to get a bit better after the 2010 shellacking. (that and 0bama extending the Bush tax cuts)

Do you have the survey from 2006?

Weaver95		2012-08-30 10:27:10 AM

FirstNationalBastard		2012-08-30 10:27:38 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Boudica's War Tampon: Jackson Herring: Boudica's War Tampon: Romney wants to go back to 1972. He said yesterday he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade.

Jesus christ did he actually say that?

You know, to be fair, let me quote what I misstated since I misunderstood all the big words:

Few issues have bedeviled Romney as much as abortion has. When he first ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994, he said he supported abortion rights, a position he reversed in 2006 as he prepared to make his first run for president.

Today, Romney says he favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

New York Times and Salt Lake City Tribune

The important thing is Romney's sister is assuring women that Romney won't think about changing abortion laws--it's not on his agenda. That's reassuring.

Maybe we should elect his sister. Then her opinion might actually be relevant.

Ah, but in Republicanland, she can only be elected to Sandwich checker. And not even chief sandwich checker, because a man has to hold that important position.

digistil		2012-08-30 10:28:30 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me		2012-08-30 10:28:39 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Things went really bad after the Dems got the house in 2007.

Between the end of the 2001 recession (2001Q4) and the peak of that expansion (2007Q4), the U.S. economy experienced the worst economic expansion of the post-war era. 21 Link, .pdf

Boudica's War Tampon		2012-08-30 10:28:39 AM

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:28:54 AM

Weaver95: I don't get it. I really don't. the Republicans have to know that we can fact check them instantly, even before their done with their speech. But they keep lying to us. blatantly. like it doesn't even matter to them. How can you tell a lie to people and KNOW that you are lying, know that the people you are talking to know that your are lying...and expect that everything will still go your way?

that's insanity.

No, they actively planned for that eventuality.

They straight up said last week "The campaign will not be slaves to fact checkers," and told people "the fact checkers are going to have a lot of things to say about us this week, you should ignore them."

They knew in advance they were going to get called out so they attempted to preemptively discredit the refs

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-08-30 10:29:20 AM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan though, that came from Bush. Or did you decide to just ignore 8 years of the Bush administration?

Really? Bush did that all by himself?
I thought the house and senate had a vote on the matter? Are you saying they didn't?
How did Hillary vote?

Epoch_Zero		2012-08-30 10:29:25 AM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan though, that came from Bush. Or did you decide to just ignore 8 years of the Bush administration?

The only real conclusion one can make for the GOP still being any kind of threat.

digistil		2012-08-30 10:30:36 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: tenpoundsofcheese: Things went really bad after the Dems got the house in 2007.

Between the end of the 2001 recession (2001Q4) and the peak of that expansion (2007Q4), the U.S. economy experienced the worst economic expansion of the post-war era. 21 Link, .pdf

Not to mention Obama is statistically the best POTUS since Eisenhower, when it comes to improving economic conditions.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face		2012-08-30 10:30:44 AM

shastacola		2012-08-30 10:31:16 AM

max_pooper: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: "I have never seen opponents so silent about their record and so desperate to keep their power," Ryan said. "They've run out of ideas. Their moment came and went. Fear and division are all they've got left."

An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

what are you talking about?

I would assume he's talking about the alternative reality he lives in where Republicans are not actively destroying American while using every bold face lie they can muster to try to blame their pitfalls on the Democrats.

Either that or he's just completely and utterly ignorant of contemporary American political history.

I watched a republican on Chuck Todd this morning who offered this, Chuck Todd reminds him that Ryans Health Plan cuts the same 700 billion out of Medicare that Obama does. GOPer replies with "but Obama throws that money to Obamacare". Chuck Todd reminds him that the 700 b comes from cuts to the payments to insurance companies which Ryan wants to restore and asks him how that helps real people,GOPer responds that cutting the profit margin for nursing homes will hurt senior citizens. This is how the GOP thinks, profit margins before people.

digistil		2012-08-30 10:31:20 AM

digistil: Dusk-You-n-Me: tenpoundsofcheese: Things went really bad after the Dems got the house in 2007.

Between the end of the 2001 recession (2001Q4) and the peak of that expansion (2007Q4), the U.S. economy experienced the worst economic expansion of the post-war era. 21 Link, .pdf

Not to mention Obama is statistically the best POTUS since Eisenhower, when it comes to improving economic conditions.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-good-for-the-stock-market-2012- 8

clevershark		2012-08-30 10:31:44 AM

This convention is so full of bullshiat I can smell it from 3500 miles away.

Heraclitus		2012-08-30 10:32:09 AM

Still no new ideas guys?

Weaver95		2012-08-30 10:33:12 AM

tenpoundsofcheese:

Really? Bush did that all by himself?
I thought the house and senate had a vote on the matter? Are you saying they didn't?
How did Hillary vote?

so you're going to ignore 8 years of Bush administration debts then. ok, that's kind of what I figured. I just wanted to make you say it.

Serious Black		2012-08-30 10:33:37 AM

Citrate1007		2012-08-30 10:33:47 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Today, Romney says he favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

Someone running for President that doesn't know how our farking government works. A President can't overturn a SCOTUS decision through the Executive Branch.

/Too bad all of the GOP "constitutional" scholars have never read the damn thing. Farking TeaTards.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:33:52 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan though, that came from Bush. Or did you decide to just ignore 8 years of the Bush administration?

Really? Bush did that all by himself?
I thought the house and senate had a vote on the matter? Are you saying they didn't?
How did Hillary vote?

Yup, they voted. Everyone should have known better. Of course, they were absolutely lied to with fabricated evidence compiled by the supposedly trustworthy highest office in the country. So there is that. I mean, its one thing to expect dishonesty in politics, but when it comes to invading another country is it beyond the pale to expect something resembling candor?

The invasion was also before 2007. Both of them. So were the tax cuts. And medicare part D. Those four items are where most of the debt comes from so... yeah.

sprawl15		2012-08-30 10:34:15 AM

Weaver95: Or did you decide to just ignore 8 years of the Bush administration?

You must be new here. Weaver, meet tenpounds. He's functionally retarded, don't talk to him or feed him.

urbangirl		2012-08-30 10:34:17 AM

HEADLINE:
Paul Ryan promises GOP 'won't duck the tough issues'

But don't you see, Paul? Your answers to "the tough issues" are exactly what I'm afraid of.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face		2012-08-30 10:34:25 AM

GhostFish		2012-08-30 10:34:26 AM

Weaver95: I don't get it. I really don't. the Republicans have to know that we can fact check them instantly, even before their done with their speech. But they keep lying to us. blatantly. like it doesn't even matter to them. How can you tell a lie to people and KNOW that you are lying, know that the people you are talking to know that your are lying...and expect that everything will still go your way?

that's insanity.

Ignorance, willful ignorance, and self deception.

A lot of people won't check the facts because the GOP tells them what they want to hear, and others will ignore the lies they recognize for the same reason. These people don't believe in an objective reality. They think that beliefs are what matters most, and not the facts.

Truth, success and prosperity follow from belief and faith - not facts.

deadcrickets		2012-08-30 10:36:01 AM

2000-2008?

Let's see here...

Went from a surplus to trillions and trillions of dollars in debt.
Had lax security leading to an attack on our soil.
Attacked a sovereign nation on admitted false pretenses.
Trashed the global economy.
Caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs and homes.
Gutted a large portion of the Bill of Rights.

Sounds great! We'll get right on it!

Headso		2012-08-30 10:36:52 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Headso: tenpoundsofcheese: An incumbent is supposed to run on 4 more years instead of attacks - but he can't because people don't want it - 60%+ think the country is heading in the wrong direction. Ooopsy.

Well, when compared to the last republican... from a 2008 poll... Only 16 percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say things are going well in the country today. That's an all-time low. Eighty-three percent say things are going badly, which is an all-time high.

And you want to return to those glory days

No. Things went really bad after the Dems got the house in 2007. Things finally starting to get a bit better after the 2010 shellacking. (that and 0bama extending the Bush tax cuts)

Do you have the survey from 2006?

yep...

Tuesday, May 9, 2006:
In the poll, 70 percent of respondents said that the United States was heading in the wrong direction, compared with23 percent who said they were pleased with the direction in which the country was heading.

max_pooper		2012-08-30 10:37:23 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: JokerMattly: Vindibudd: Okay, I'll play, 2000-2008 presidential policies never resulted in 40+ months of unemployment north of 8%.

No, they just led to 9/11 and two quagmires half a globe away.
/And trillions in debt from Medicare and tax cuts.

Which is still trillions in debt less than 0bama gave us.

Obama didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan though, that came from Bush. Or did you decide to just ignore 8 years of the Bush administration?

Really? Bush did that all by himself?
I thought the house and senate had a vote on the matter? Are you saying they didn't?
How did Hillary vote?

Voting to authorize use of force is completely different that completely and utterly farking everything up after that vote. I serious doubt anyone in Congress who voted to authorize the use of force could have imagined how incompetent the Bush administration was going to be managing a military conflict.

Bush is solely responsible for absolute cluster fark the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan became. No amount of deflection can take blame away from the Commander and Chief of the United States Armed Forces when he boldly stated" I'm the decider."

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-08-30 10:37:23 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Weaver95: I don't get it. I really don't. the Republicans have to know that we can fact check them instantly, even before their done with their speech. But they keep lying to us. blatantly. like it doesn't even matter to them. How can you tell a lie to people and KNOW that you are lying, know that the people you are talking to know that your are lying...and expect that everything will still go your way?

Because we're not the ones they're addressing. He's all-out pandering to the base so hard, he'll come out to his next appearance carrying a cross and singing 'Dixie'.

God I hope so. I hope he keeps turning hard right with every question, every issue. The farther right he goes the more he contradicts earlier positions and alienates those who aren't bloody crazy. Maybe if he goes far enough the more cattle-like portions of the electorate will stop mooing along with their chorus and think about not liking their extremist tune.

deadcrickets		2012-08-30 10:37:29 AM

Citrate1007: Boudica's War Tampon: Today, Romney says he favors overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

Someone running for President that doesn't know how our farking government works. A President can't overturn a SCOTUS decision through the Executive Branch.

/Too bad all of the GOP "constitutional" scholars have never read the damn thing. Farking TeaTards.

Potentially a President can overturn SCOTUS. Roosevelt threatened to expand the bench in order to stuff the results. And the bench has been expanded before by Presidents.

SixPaperJoint		2012-08-30 10:37:34 AM

Weaver95: I don't get it. I really don't. the Republicans have to know that we can fact check them instantly, even before their done with their speech. But they keep lying to us. blatantly. like it doesn't even matter to them. How can you tell a lie to people and KNOW that you are lying, know that the people you are talking to know that your are lying...and expect that everything will still go your way?

that's insanity.

Because the sub-set of people like you are greatly out numbered by people who don't fact check and believe and repeat what they are told by authority figures they trust.

Actually, if you subscribe to the idea that, if you are on the defensive you are losing this is brilliant if they can pull it off. Obama and his team are starting to fight back against the lies but this does put them in a defensive posture and thus, they look vulnerable to the low-info voting block.

These lies are bad for democracy, bad for honest discourse and bad for Obama.

Hope I'm wrong.

Weaver95		2012-08-30 10:37:38 AM

Wicked Chinchilla:
They straight up said last week "The campaign will not be slaves to fact checkers," and told people "the fact checkers are going to have a lot of things to say about us this week, you should ignore them."

They knew in advance they were going to get called out so they attempted to preemptively discredit the refs

Yeah, I mean I saw that story as well...I just can't wrap my head around a political party that actively suppresses facts and straight up lies to the voters...and is popular for doing so. granted - 'shading' the truth happens all the time. to a point, it's acceptable and expected. But we are way beyond typical election year 'shading of facts' and into outright propaganda and lies. the GOP is actively lying. not shading reality a bit, not 'spin'. they are LYING. telling intentionally false stories. bad as that is...we're catching them at it, posting the truth all over the net and...they're STILL LYING! no shame, no remorse. just more lies.

it's mind blowing.

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