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2012-08-30 08:33:35 AM
Bizarro world, opposite day, etc.

Somebody should keep an eye on the Freepers and see what they're going to come up with for this one.

/not volunteering
 
2012-08-30 08:37:24 AM
Call Rupert Murdoch! There's been an outbreak of journalism at Fox News. Execute Order 66.
 
2012-08-30 08:40:00 AM

holeinthedonut: This discussion about the author's sexual orientation, how does that change the facts in the article? If an elephant had written it, would the facts be untrue? Address the issues please.


Well, I don't know about that. Elephants are kindly - but they're dumb.
 
2012-08-30 08:41:44 AM
It's sad that Fox is doing a better job of fact checking than CNN
 
2012-08-30 08:42:18 AM
Lot of douchebags criticizing irrelevant attributes of the author.

No one disputing her criticisms.

How interesting expected
 
2012-08-30 08:46:15 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Lot of douchebags criticizing irrelevant attributes of the author.

No one disputing her criticisms.

How interesting expected


The article was written by someone who likes blue cheese. Blue cheese is gross.
 
2012-08-30 08:47:37 AM
 
2012-08-30 08:47:58 AM

ghare: Lsherm: Relatively Obscure: borg: Written by an openly gay Democrat.

I for one can see how whether or not this writer is gay is a very important point to make. Thanks for driving that most important of points home for us.

If you look her up, she's an activist for gay and liberal causes. Since the Republican platform isn't exactly gay or liberal friendly, it's a fair fact to note. It's no different than pointing out when someone from the Family Research Council writes an article against the Democratic platform.

She's not a journalist, she's an advocate. There's nothing wrong with that, but context is key.

Whether or not someone is gay is pertinent to whether or not facts are facts.


Riiiggghhhht.


I'm not gonna go that far, but there's a point buried in there. With all of us getting the vapors because Fox ran an article that is critical of the GOP candidate, it's worth noting that the author ain't our typical Fox news fare.

And in the current political climate, sexual orientation happens to be an issue. Unfortunately.

Does it change the points she was making? Hell naw. Does it explain why she might have been looking at Paul Ryan with critical eyes? You bet.

/More relevant is that her partner's a Brazilian.
//There's a stock joke in there about having a Brazilian sexual partners and Mormonism... but it's too early.
///It probably wouldn't be that good anyway.
 
2012-08-30 08:52:19 AM

Chummer45: This article sums up why I hate CNN. What a useless "news" organization.


Even better was the night before when Erin Burnett, host of the hard-hitting CNN show "Erin Burnett is Very Pretty," said she teared up at Ann Romney's embrace of her meal ticket husband at the end of her sales pitch.
 
2012-08-30 08:55:35 AM

quatchi: [wtfamireading?]

I mean that in a good way.

FOX calling Ryan out on his lies and sins of omissions? What is this?

Is this to try to get the jump on the inevitable fact checker articles that will roll later on today?

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States' credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush

Both correct and both correctly noted earlier in this Fark thread but I really never would have imagined FOX being one of the first corporate news outlets to point it out.

What else we got here?

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said.

Wow, that's about as close as anyone on FOX will ever get to calling out the "Obama says you didn't build your own business" lie that is the centerpiece of the 2012 GOP ticket.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan

OMG, the 716 billion dollar "theft" lie exposed as well?

What sins of omission did she cover?

Ryan didn't mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters

Ryan didn't mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

Ryan didn't mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president

OMG I'm in total agreement with a FOX opinion article. Somebody hold me! I'mma skeered.


I agree........I knew it was chilly this morning, but I didn't think Hell had frozen over yet!
 
2012-08-30 08:56:30 AM

ghare: Lsherm: Relatively Obscure: borg: Written by an openly gay Democrat.

I for one can see how whether or not this writer is gay is a very important point to make. Thanks for driving that most important of points home for us.

If you look her up, she's an activist for gay and liberal causes. Since the Republican platform isn't exactly gay or liberal friendly, it's a fair fact to note. It's no different than pointing out when someone from the Family Research Council writes an article against the Democratic platform.

She's not a journalist, she's an advocate. There's nothing wrong with that, but context is key.

Whether or not someone is gay is pertinent to whether or not facts are facts.


Riiiggghhhht.


Came here to say this, Derps like this actually believe this goes against her credibility...
 
2012-08-30 08:57:41 AM
She's a teabagger! That's why FOX hired her.

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-30 09:05:02 AM
/Fox news calling out and criticizing a republican

www.1a20.com

IT BEGINS.
 
2012-08-30 09:06:49 AM

jso2897: holeinthedonut: This discussion about the author's sexual orientation, how does that change the facts in the article? If an elephant had written it, would the facts be untrue? Address the issues please.

Well, I don't know about that. Elephants are kindly - but they're dumb.


I love you.

/brb gonna catch the cross-town bus
 
2012-08-30 09:09:18 AM

Lionel Mandrake: She's a teabagger! That's why FOX hired her.

[encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 200x252]


I thought she was a carpet-muncher.
 
2012-08-30 09:09:47 AM

Garet Garrett: 2. The plant closed in May 2009. My records indicate that Obama had taken office by then. As Ryan says, take some responsibility, people.


I did.

During GM's 2008 annual shareholder meeting on June 3, 2008, CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010, along with three other GM factories, and could close sooner if the market dictated.

Decisions lead to actions.
 
2012-08-30 09:19:29 AM

give me doughnuts: Lionel Mandrake: She's a teabagger! That's why FOX hired her.

[encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 200x252]

I thought she was a carpet-muncher.


Can she be both? TEA/Carpet 2016!
 
2012-08-30 09:22:34 AM
Smells like Fox is catching on that Romney/Ryan bring nothing to the table and gonna lose so they will have another four years of Fartbongo beating
 
2012-08-30 09:24:29 AM

Garet Garrett: PF gets around this by saying that it "effectively closed" on Dec. 23, 2008 with the layoff of 1,200 workers, acknowledging that it remained open to manufacture trucks for Isuzu for the next 4 months.


So at that point, is it still a GM plant or an Isuzu plant?
 
2012-08-30 09:26:02 AM
I called my local public radio station (Wisconsin Public Radio). The host put a link up to this article on the WPR website. AWESOME!!!!! I also made sure that I mentioned that FOXNEWS commentator called Paul Ryan a liar. Think I heard the host's head explode.


//hahahaha
 
2012-08-30 09:44:51 AM
I can't find The Sally Kohn Show on the schedule.
 
2012-08-30 09:45:13 AM

thenewmissus: I called my local public radio station (Wisconsin Public Radio). The host put a link up to this article on the WPR website. AWESOME!!!!! I also made sure that I mentioned that FOXNEWS commentator called Paul Ryan a liar. Think I heard the host's head explode.


//hahahaha


Sorry. I meant, I thought I heard the guest's head explode.

//FTFM
//waka waka
 
2012-08-30 09:49:41 AM

EnviroDude: It's FAUX News and everything they say is a lie. So the article has to be a complete fabrication.

/ what I have learned on FARK


Nice one!

I like the part where you claim to have learned something from somewhere other than fox news or Rush Limbaugh.

Hilarious.


/see also "stopped watch - twice a day"
 
2012-08-30 09:50:35 AM
The vast majority of the Fox News drones won't know about this though, they watch the pictures on TV instead of printed material because reading is for liberal elitists.
 
2012-08-30 09:52:59 AM
Since Fox News is always wrong, then this article is actually an endorsement of Ryan.

Seems that people don't understand that Fox News, unlike the LSM, actually voices a wide range of opinions.

That is why they are Fair and Balanced.
 
2012-08-30 09:55:01 AM

PreMortem: Why no comments section on that page, I need a good scare/laugh.


Months ago, foxnews.com pulls the comments section from all but their most trivial articles. I think the realized giving their viewers a soapbox to derpgasm was hurting their reputation as a "credible news organization".
 
2012-08-30 09:55:59 AM
Of course. Fox News loves Obama. It's true, see:

www.lobshots.com
 
2012-08-30 09:57:17 AM

EnviroDude: It's FAUX News and everything they say is a lie. So the article has to be a complete fabrication.

/ what I have learned on FARK


So you've actually LEARNED something? Color me shocked.
 
2012-08-30 09:57:37 AM
Another fair and balanced article by America's favorite new source. The author writes, amongst other excellent headlines:
Sure I'm a Democrat and want President Obama to win re-election.

That's why I love watching Fox..

Link
 
2012-08-30 09:58:44 AM
Garet Garrett: 2. The plant closed in May 2009. My records indicate that Obama had taken office by then. As Ryan says, take some responsibility, people.

It closed April 23. Obama had been in office for less than three months. When did the GM bailout go into effect?

PF gets around this by saying that it "effectively closed" on Dec. 23, 2008 with the layoff of 1,200 workers, acknowledging that it remained open to manufacture trucks for Isuzu for the next 4 months.

With 74 workers.

But the plant had had 7,100 workers in 1978, but they were let go in waves over the following decades. So why wasn't the plant "effectively" closed when its workforce was cut by half? Three-quarters? Seven-eighths? The answer is that they want to come to the conclusion that the plant "closed" under Bush, but it rather annoyingly remained open, so they redefine the terms.

The decision to close the plant was taken while Bush was still president and implemented while he was still in office. A few workers were kept on to finish some remaining contractual obligations. As far as the 1,700 former workers were concerned, and the surrounding community, it was closed.

Look, if I get to redefine your words for you, I can prove that everything you say is a lie. When a "fact checker" needs to say that "closed" really means "effectively closed" to make its point

I'd say that if all the workers except for a clean-up crew are gone, the plant is closed. Actually, the plant never really closed at, because it's still on standby. I understand some of the doors and windows are open, too, and there are security guards keeping on an eye on it. It's not completely unattended. Therefore, according to your definition, it never closed. Do I have that right?

(a point that is eviscerated if the actual definition of "closed" is applied) they've shed their role as fact checker and donned the shining garb of the shill.

So you're saying that Obama should have somehow jumped in and reversed GM's 2008 decision? Rehire all the workers, get it up and going again? To fulfill a promise that he didn't make, with a rescue plan that only went into effect in July, 2009?

Since I knew nothing about this as of, like...5 minutes ago.... and now I read that Garret dude's post and I read Jules Something and something -1984's posts... I am now an expert )and I'd totally certify my new knowledge)... I can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt that as hard as Garret tried, he just got knocked the fark out.
word.
 
2012-08-30 10:01:16 AM
Wait, isn't closing car plants that are not making a profit what the Republicans wanted? Was this when Romney was against the auto bailout as a waste of public funds or after he orchestrated it to save Detroit?

And were the fark conservatives saying that government should never have stepped in and let GM and Mopar just go tits up and let the market sort it out. Isn't allowing some plants to in response to the CEO's statement of market conditions in 2008 something right that was done?
 
2012-08-30 10:01:57 AM
Ryan really came off like an asshole yesterday. It was all fratboy level jokes coupled with lies and hypocrisy. Added more money to the Obama coffers.
 
2012-08-30 10:02:21 AM
be still my beating heart
 
2012-08-30 10:10:52 AM

Garet Garrett: 1. Obama told the folks at the plant - while the powers that be were debating a GM bailout - that if government backs GM, the Janesville plant could be open for another 100 years. If you don't understand that to mean "support the bailout and you won't lose your job," you're not paying attention.


You are really bad at this.
 
2012-08-30 10:11:56 AM

Lsherm: Relatively Obscure: borg: Written by an openly gay Democrat.

I for one can see how whether or not this writer is gay is a very important point to make. Thanks for driving that most important of points home for us.

If you look her up, she's an activist for gay and liberal causes. Since the Republican platform isn't exactly gay or liberal friendly, it's a fair fact to note. It's no different than pointing out when someone from the Family Research Council writes an article against the Democratic platform.

She's not a journalist, she's an advocate. There's nothing wrong with that, but context is key.


Except that nothing in this article covered Gay rights in any way. Since the very thing she 'advocates' for isn't present, your point is about as strong as single ply toilet paper in the bottom of the toilet. Seeing as there ARE Gays in the Republican Party, you haven't even named a Democrat-only stance for her.
 
2012-08-30 10:18:16 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Since Fox News is always wrong, then this article is actually an endorsement of Ryan.

Seems that people don't understand that Fox News, unlike the LSM, actually voices a wide range of opinions.

That is why they are Fair and Balanced.


You're so clever
 
2012-08-30 10:19:17 AM
If you haven't RTFA yet, do so before they catch on and take it down.
 
2012-08-30 10:20:17 AM

Garet Garrett: PF gets around this by saying that it "effectively closed" on Dec. 23, 2008 with the layoff of 1,200 workers, acknowledging that it remained open to manufacture trucks for Isuzu for the next 4 months. But the plant had had 7,100 workers in 1978, but they were let go in waves over the following decades. So why wasn't the plant "effectively" closed when its workforce was cut by half? Three-quarters? Seven-eighths? The answer is that they want to come to the conclusion that the plant "closed" under Bush, but it rather annoyingly remained open, so they redefine the terms.


Yeah, they had 100 people left. Wow. Definitely still open. Down from 7,100 to 100, obviously nothing major there...

You don't understand the concept of a 'skeleton crew', do you? Take mines, for an example. When they close a mine, it is never empty of people. It's effectively closed, because to come up to standards for closing a mine, they have to pay billions more than if they keep a few people working there, not many, but a few. These people aren't just placeholders, they're still working, usually in the lab, but still working. The point is that many places are considered 'closed' while there are still a few people working there, either putting out the very last of the production line, or working to finalize the closing.

Don't take the fact that the last 100 held on until April of 2009 as some kind of vindication of the GOP, the plant still closed under Bush.
 
2012-08-30 10:28:23 AM

bdub77: Ryan really came off like an asshole yesterday. It was all fratboy level jokes coupled with lies and hypocrisy. Added more money to the Obama coffers.


It was the yelling that really got on my nerves. I honestly can't think of a time I've ever heard Biden or Obama have to yell to make a point.
 
2012-08-30 10:29:44 AM

MFK: Effectively closed means closed. Firing everyone except a skeleton crew to burn through the existing parts inventory means the plant closed.


Not if you're trying to distort facts, it doesn't.
 
2012-08-30 10:33:56 AM
Fully expect to see an article where Sally Kohn is assigned to the new Fox station in Somila
 
2012-08-30 10:37:40 AM

borg: Written by an openly gay Democrat.


So you, bborg, a known right wing troll/shrill, is advocating that no gay person would have any reason to support the right wing party and that any gay person who does is some sort of dumbass?

Also, does this mean we need to identify the sexual preference of all authors that get submitted? What about race, religion, age, nationality / citizenship, country of origin? Maybe the same information of the authors parents as well.
 
2012-08-30 10:39:47 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Since Fox News is always wrong, then this article is actually an endorsement of Ryan.

Seems that people don't understand that Fox News, unlike the LSM, actually voices a wide range of opinions.

That is why they are Fair and Balanced.


Where's the clip of this story on FOXNEWS?
 
2012-08-30 10:42:28 AM

juddcc: Garet Garrett: 2. The plant closed in May 2009. My records indicate that Obama had taken office by then. As Ryan says, take some responsibility, people.

It closed April 23. Obama had been in office for less than three months. When did the GM bailout go into effect?

PF gets around this by saying that it "effectively closed" on Dec. 23, 2008 with the layoff of 1,200 workers, acknowledging that it remained open to manufacture trucks for Isuzu for the next 4 months.

With 74 workers.

But the plant had had 7,100 workers in 1978, but they were let go in waves over the following decades. So why wasn't the plant "effectively" closed when its workforce was cut by half? Three-quarters? Seven-eighths? The answer is that they want to come to the conclusion that the plant "closed" under Bush, but it rather annoyingly remained open, so they redefine the terms.

The decision to close the plant was taken while Bush was still president and implemented while he was still in office. A few workers were kept on to finish some remaining contractual obligations. As far as the 1,700 former workers were concerned, and the surrounding community, it was closed.

Look, if I get to redefine your words for you, I can prove that everything you say is a lie. When a "fact checker" needs to say that "closed" really means "effectively closed" to make its point

I'd say that if all the workers except for a clean-up crew are gone, the plant is closed. Actually, the plant never really closed at, because it's still on standby. I understand some of the doors and windows are open, too, and there are security guards keeping on an eye on it. It's not completely unattended. Therefore, according to your definition, it never closed. Do I have that right?

(a point that is eviscerated if the actual definition of "closed" is applied) they've shed their role as fact checker and donned the shining garb of the shill.

So you're saying that Obama should have somehow jumped in and reversed GM's 2008 decision? Rehir ...


No, no. They close auto plants overnight, just like convenience stores.
 
2012-08-30 10:52:51 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Seems that people don't understand that Fox News, unlike the LSM, actually voices a wide range of opinions.


Yeah, it goes all the way from Right Wing to Extreme Right Wing Tea Party Fringe.

You win, of course.
 
2012-08-30 11:01:21 AM
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2012-08-30 11:44:05 AM
four years ago the dung eaters in DC all creamed their panties over sarah palin's speech. normal people did wind up caring more about the fact that it was all lies.
 
2012-08-30 11:47:40 AM

flavor of the month: four years ago the dung eaters in DC all creamed their panties over sarah palin's speech. normal people did wind up caring more about the fact that it was all lies.


And the result? RINO Purge-O-Rama.
 
2012-08-30 11:52:53 AM
More_Like_A_Stain And the result? RINO Purge-O-Rama.


the result of her convention speech, as well as a few other high profile Palin incidents, was John McCain's presidential campaign deteriorating into a laughingstock.
 
2012-08-30 12:01:38 PM

flavor of the month: More_Like_A_Stain And the result? RINO Purge-O-Rama.


the result of her convention speech, as well as a few other high profile Palin incidents, was John McCain's presidential campaign deteriorating into a laughingstock.


The result of her actual speech was a tsunami of conservative spooge. And it had a measurable market effect as mop factories across the nation scrambled to add second and third shifts. The purge was a later, but direct result.
 
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