Umm, not seeing a really serious problem here. Travelling on an expired visa is more problematic, not having got your passport reissued for a year after it expired and using it is hardly a big deal - certainly until all the older ones with less security have expired - although you would suggest it's a bad idea for a traveller to not notice it as if some border agent had a problem with it, it would be a lot of hassle and delays potentially.

I still don't see why that's such a huge deal. You don't stop being identifiably you just because an arbitrary date had been reached.

So an official passport used by the person it was issued to but a year out of date is comparable to a forgery?

Get a load of the drama queen we've got for a submitter, fellas.

I have traveled with a passport which did not match the first name on my airplace ticket. name. Potentially more of an issue, since I could have been someone else.

You get what you pay for.

Frankfort is in Kentucky or Illinois. Frankfurt is in Germany.

Explain to me again why news outlets *require* college degrees.

The Germans don't care that much, and the US cares when you're trying to ENTER the US.

"If you are a US citizen: You do not need a visa to travel to Germany, only a valid US passport. Make sure that your passport does not expire before the end of your visit in Germany."

"When Albright arrived in Italy, she realized her mistake."

To enter Italy, a passport valid for at least three months beyond the length of stay is required by all nationals referred to in the chart above, except EU nationals (1) holding a valid national ID card.

Italy DOES care that much.

Nothing to see here, move along.

TSA doesn't have anything to do with passports. That's immigrations and the airline ticket counters job. You actually are allowed to return to the U.S. on an expired passport as foreign countries can't block your return to your home country.

Fark you subby

What bencoon said.

What's the big deal? Why do adult passports expire anyway? Here you just send them off with a new photo and 60 farking quid you get a new one. No interview, no questions.

I know that some government agencies will accept an expired passport as a picture ID (such as for employment purposes). The TSA's purpose is to verify your identity, not to do border control for foreign governments. If they were really on top of things, though, they should warn the traveler that they wouldn't (or shouldn't) be allowed to pass the border checkpoint at their destination.
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As has been mentioned, you don't need a passport to get out of the United States. You need one to get back in (and to get into other countries). The TSA doesn't operate in Germany so I don't see how being allowed entry to Germany has anything to do with the TSA or Homeland Security. And I don't see how it's the TSA's responsibility to make sure a traveler's documents are up to date if they're not relevant to the travel they're undertaking at that time. I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler. A courtesy, yes. Responsibility, no. I've only been out of the country half a dozen times and I know you don't leave the US without 6 months or more left on your passport. Who books a European tour without checking their passport?

BTW, there are still lots of valid old-school passports out there. Mine doesn't expire until next year and I think non-biometric US passports were issued until some time in 2007 so it'll be another 5 years before the last ones expire.

xria: Umm, not seeing a really serious problem here. Travelling on an expired visa is more problematic, not having got your passport reissued for a year after it expired and using it is hardly a big deal - certainly until all the older ones with less security have expired - although you would suggest it's a bad idea for a traveller to not notice it as if some border agent had a problem with it, it would be a lot of hassle and delays potentially.

what if you're travelling on an expired American Express. or MASTERCARD

Security theather at its finest.

1) It's spelled FRANKFURT, dumbass writer, editors, and proofreaders all along the line.
2) TSA at its best AGAIN.
3) So what. It was a valid international photo ID. She wasn't a terrorist tourist. She went about her business and spread her petrodollars across the globe like a good little serf.

Guess what subby, TSA can't stop you even if you have no ID at all.

They can search through every part of your person if you don't (which they can do anyway) but the can't stop you

/first-hand knowledge

jtown: I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler.

Just a guess, but maybe that's the photo id she offered to the agent that checks that ID and tickets match, since she would have to have her passport available anyway.

HotIgneous Intruder: 1) It's spelled FRANKFURT, dumbass writer, editors, and proofreaders all along the line.
2) TSA at its best AGAIN.
3) So what. It was a valid international photo ID. She wasn't a terrorist tourist. She went about her business and spread her petrodollars across the globe like a good little serf.

1) it's spelled HOT DOG
2) SAT is short for Caturday



3) what's spread? NUTELLA? or MARMITE
THEY LOOK THE SAME
but one is TANGY while the other is SAVOURY

czetie: jtown: I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler.

Just a guess, but maybe that's the photo id she offered to the agent that checks that ID and tickets match, since she would have to have her passport available anyway.

Yeah, she needed full set of matching photo IDs to LEAVE the country.
Land of the free.

Jon iz teh kewl: HotIgneous Intruder: 1) It's spelled FRANKFURT, dumbass writer, editors, and proofreaders all along the line.
2) TSA at its best AGAIN.
3) So what. It was a valid international photo ID. She wasn't a terrorist tourist. She went about her business and spread her petrodollars across the globe like a good little serf.

1) it's spelled HOT DOG
2) SAT is short for Caturday

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x302]

3) what's spread? NUTELLA? or MARMITE
THEY LOOK THE SAME
but one is TANGY while the other is SAVOURY

Autism spectrum?

/So sorry to see that, and displayed so publicly.

HotIgneous Intruder: Jon iz teh kewl: HotIgneous Intruder: 1) It's spelled FRANKFURT, dumbass writer, editors, and proofreaders all along the line.
2) TSA at its best AGAIN.
3) So what. It was a valid international photo ID. She wasn't a terrorist tourist. She went about her business and spread her petrodollars across the globe like a good little serf.

1) it's spelled HOT DOG
2) SAT is short for Caturday

[farm5.static.flickr.com image 500x302]

3) what's spread? NUTELLA? or MARMITE
THEY LOOK THE SAME
but one is TANGY while the other is SAVOURY

Autism spectrum?

/So sorry to see that, and displayed so publicly.

congrats! u win a cat

There's some stiff competition for the ranking, but this just might be the most (memorably) underwhelming story I've ever read on Fark.

It's nice to have valid identification, but it's not mandatory for flying if you're determined. Even across national borders. Though I suspect this lady didn't have an RFID-enabled passport. Otherwise, unless she was processed at Bob's Fish Shack & Custom's Station He Done Built, I'm under the impression that would come up automatically.

Would have been keen to get processed that speedily when State had put a hold on my passport, but the situations aren't exactly equal.

AdrianLamo: There's some stiff competition for the ranking, but this just might be the most (memorably) underwhelming story I've ever read on Fark.

It's nice to have valid identification, but it's not mandatory for flying if you're determined. Even across national borders. Though I suspect this lady didn't have an RFID-enabled passport. Otherwise, unless she was processed at Bob's Fish Shack & Custom's Station He Done Built, I'm under the impression that would come up automatically.

Would have been keen to get processed that speedily when State had put a hold on my passport, but the situations aren't exactly equal.

RFID like chips

Jon iz teh kewl: RFID like chips

They go with the fish, you see.

czetie: jtown: I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler.

Just a guess, but maybe that's the photo id she offered to the agent that checks that ID and tickets match, since she would have to have her passport available anyway.

That's a big maybe. She could have shown her driver's licence which is what 99.44% of people show when asked for picture ID.

AdrianLamo: Jon iz teh kewl: RFID like chips

They go with the fish, you see.

Technically SFO isn't TSA, look at their arm patches, it's a private company. Also, having a recently expired passport won't stop you from flying. Pretty dumb not to check your own before leaving the country though.

Whoop........tee..........doo!

jtown: czetie: jtown: I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler.

Just a guess, but maybe that's the photo id she offered to the agent that checks that ID and tickets match, since she would have to have her passport available anyway.

That's a big maybe. She could have shown her driver's licence which is what 99.44% of people show when asked for picture ID.

If she's anything like my wife, her driver's license is in a protective holder in an insert in her wallet, which is inside an interior pocket in her purse, which she has zipped inside her rolling carry-on so she has one hand free. As a general rule, I can fit an entire coffee break into the time it takes her to extract her license.

Meanwhile, her passport is in her hand along with her ticket, which is what 99.44% of people traveling internationally show when asked for picture ID, since they already have it available.

So no, I ver

When mine neared expiration, a notice flashed on the screen when it was scanned at control in some Euro airport. I got a friendly reminder.

Jon iz teh kewl:
3) what's spread? NUTELLA? or MARMITE
THEY LOOK THE SAME
but one is TANGY while the other is SAVOURY

Which is Nutella? Over here it's a chocolate and hazlenut spread. Sweet and not at all tangy. I do prefer the savoury spread that is Marmite, which is tangy and goes well on toast.

lordargent: The Germans don't care that much, and the US cares when you're trying to ENTER the US.

"If you are a US citizen: You do not need a visa to travel to Germany, only a valid US passport. Make sure that your passport does not expire before the end of your visit in Germany."

"When Albright arrived in Italy, she realized her mistake."

To enter Italy, a passport valid for at least three months beyond the length of stay is required by all nationals referred to in the chart above, except EU nationals (1) holding a valid national ID card.

Italy DOES care that much.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Quick, throw in a Status of Forces Agreement that changes depending on if you're military, a dependent(spouse or kid), or a contractor. Now, make sure it's different for every country you're in, just to see if anyone can figure out what the hell is going on.

/There's a long list of countries I used to be able to travel to without a passport.
//I need to get me a blue one to go with my red one.

jtown: I've only been out of the country half a dozen times and I know you don't leave the US without 6 months or more left on your passport.

So if you have a passport renewed every ten years, then you will only travel 5% of the time, waiting until it is just about to expire before you are willing to leave the country?

Number of people who had their constitutional rights violated by the TSA: All of them.
Numer of terrorists foudn by the TSA: 0.
Cost to taxpayers: Trillions.
Amount of drugs smuggled by the TSA: Shait loads.
Amount of personal property and cash stolen by the TSA: Shiat loads.

But you keep farking that chicken, 'Murkkka.

KrispyKritter: I got three passports, a couple of visas,
don't even know my real name

Huge Heads fan here.

I caught it, even if they don't.

GRCooper: Guess what subby, TSA can't stop you even if you have no ID at all.

They can search through every part of your person if you don't (which they can do anyway) but the can't stop you

/first-hand knowledge

Was going to post this same fact. Twice I got on a plane with no photo ID. Once on my own (bad business trip) and once with family. Both times I had no trouble. But I have been told I get a pass because I look like a cop.

Am I supposed to feel unsafe? Should I write my representative and demand that even more of my freedoms be taken away?

we need to outlaw airplanes immediately.

Swiss Colony: What bencoon said.

What's the big deal? Why do adult passports expire anyway? Here you just send them off with a new photo and 60 farking quid you get a new one. No interview, no questions.

They expire so the government can pick up some change and train you to jump through flaming hoops. About $110 (close to your 60 pounds) for $0.30 worth of fancy paper and 78 seconds for a government worker to paste a picture in it between breaks. But for another $160 you can sign up for the "Global Entry" program and skip the line at Immigration. and for another $160 you can get a Transportation and Homeland Security will allow you to keep the job you've had for 20 years and for another $160 you can get a Concealed Carry Permit and be allowed to exercise your Constitutional Rights. It's about $afety you $ee.

Transportation Workers Identification Credential

One of these days I'll get used to the new Preview button.

jtown: As has been mentioned, you don't need a passport to get out of the United States. You need one to get back in (and to get into other countries). The TSA doesn't operate in Germany so I don't see how being allowed entry to Germany has anything to do with the TSA or Homeland Security. And I don't see how it's the TSA's responsibility to make sure a traveler's documents are up to date if they're not relevant to the travel they're undertaking at that time. I'm not sure why a TSA agent would even be looking at the passport of a departing traveler. A courtesy, yes. Responsibility, no. I've only been out of the country half a dozen times and I know you don't leave the US without 6 months or more left on your passport. Who books a European tour without checking their passport?

BTW, there are still lots of valid old-school passports out there. Mine doesn't expire until next year and I think non-biometric US passports were issued until some time in 2007 so it'll be another 5 years before the last ones expire.

tsa looks at a lot of passports in a day, including mine as i use it for my id when going thru tsa. it is a lot easier than to remove my license in my wallet and hand it over. a lot of foreign travelers have them in hand when they are traveling, and a lot of people who are traveling out of the country hand it to the ticket agent, hang on to it, then show it to the tsa. the machines to check in for the flight read the passports or scan them to find you and your flight.

it is kind of funny though to look at the tsa website, and they list all the id's that you can use, and even talk about not having id--which you can travel without one as well, but nothing says anything about expired id's.

Swiss Colony: Jon iz teh kewl:
3) what's spread? NUTELLA? or MARMITE
THEY LOOK THE SAME
but one is TANGY while the other is SAVOURY

Which is Nutella? Over here it's a chocolate and hazlenut spread. Sweet and not at all tangy. I do prefer the savoury spread that is Marmite, which is tangy and goes well on toast.

nutellas tangy. like chips should be

Benni K Rok: Quick, throw in a Status of Forces Agreement that changes depending on if you're military, a dependent(spouse or kid), or a contractor. Now, make sure it's different for every country you're in, just to see if anyone can figure out what the hell is going on.

I went to India earlier this year/late last year, and got a chuckle at their visa processing fees, nice racket they've got going there.

// they charge US citizens more than almost any other country, but some countries get in for free. This trend continued with higher entry fees for certain countries at national monuments, etc.