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(BBC)   Researchers say new study suggests Antarctica may be holding large volumes of methane, warn against pulling its finger   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 21
    More: Scary, Antarctica, organic matter, Bristol University, positive feedback, greenhouse gases, permafrost, ice sheets, retreats  
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2012-08-30 06:12:07 AM
Feed forward loops, yay!
 
2012-08-30 06:34:58 AM
Welcome to The Methane Store. I love you.
 
2012-08-30 06:38:52 AM
Hey, Argentina!

Yeah?

Pull my finger!
 
2012-08-30 06:41:07 AM
Hmmm. So your saying that if we reach a tipping point, a catastrophic and accelerating feed forward loop could quickly warm the earth?

Nahh.... That's just Scientisty nonsense. Now excuse me, I have to drive my hummer down the one block to my corner quickymart to get some milk.
 
2012-08-30 06:44:13 AM
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2012-08-30 07:00:50 AM

s1ugg0: [i.qkme.me image 450x334]


"WELL WE'RE BONED"

Not all of us. I'm sure the very rich and political elite will be fine. The rest of the survivors can either live in slums, or be slaves to the elites.
 
2012-08-30 07:07:38 AM
contributing to climate warming.

It always makes me laugh when people say "'The great Global Warming lie has been exposed so now they started calling it 'Climate Change'", so this makes me smile. 'Climate Warming', that can be the new term.
 
2012-08-30 07:12:58 AM
We should harvest that methane and burn it, for safety.
 
2012-08-30 07:27:20 AM
DRILL, idiots, drill!

/Illegal you say? Not if you get caught.
 
2012-08-30 07:49:22 AM

Slaxl: contributing to climate warming.

It always makes me laugh when people say "'The great Global Warming lie has been exposed so now they started calling it 'Climate Change'", so this makes me smile. 'Climate Warming', that can be the new term.


I also like "Globe hottening"
 
2012-08-30 07:54:48 AM
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Antarctica you say??
 
2012-08-30 08:28:37 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DRILL, idiots, drill!

/Illegal you say? Not if you get caught.


That's just what it wants, some covert illegal operation that no one knows about, then it can get into the general populace and we're all screwed.
cf.drafthouse.com
 
2012-08-30 08:36:02 AM
QUICK! BEGIN OPERATION CLOSE BARN DOOR!

IF WE START REDUCING CO2 30 YEARS AGO WE MIGHT STAND A CHANCE.
 
2012-08-30 09:22:55 AM
www.worldatlas.com

Go on, South America, pull it -- you know you want to.
 
2012-08-30 09:48:48 AM
My son's father-in-law (Ph.D. in crabs) is the head of NOAA's research labs - he is posted in Beaufort, NC, and knows more about oceans than anyone I know. He's a scientist with a national reputation. We were talking about methane hydrates (he considers them a serious threat). He mentioned that the largest (I think that's what he said, might have been "one of the largest") deposit of methane hydrates is off the coast of South Carolina. But folks, let me tell you, the amount of methane being released from Siberian permafrost melt dwarfs the problem of CO2 production. We've warmed it up too much and the methane is being released at too big a rate to survive. Next generation watch out . . .
 
2012-08-30 10:58:41 AM
Old news is ancient?

Reporting on this started some 15 years ago.... :/
 
2012-08-30 11:35:19 AM

BigBooper: "WELL WE'RE BONED"

Not all of us. I'm sure the very rich and political elite will be fine. The rest of the survivors can either live in slums, or be slaves to the elites.


So ... Republican utopia?
 
2012-08-30 11:52:28 AM

zarberg: So ... Republican utopia?


Oblig:

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2012-08-30 01:00:25 PM
We should just start living underground and under the ocean now. Most Farkers have been doing this for years in their parents' basements already.
 
2012-08-30 08:59:53 PM

MartinD-35: My son's father-in-law (Ph.D. in crabs) is the head of NOAA's research labs - he is posted in Beaufort, NC, and knows more about oceans than anyone I know. He's a scientist with a national reputation. We were talking about methane hydrates (he considers them a serious threat). He mentioned that the largest (I think that's what he said, might have been "one of the largest") deposit of methane hydrates is off the coast of South Carolina. But folks, let me tell you, the amount of methane being released from Siberian permafrost melt dwarfs the problem of CO2 production. We've warmed it up too much and the methane is being released at too big a rate to survive. Next generation watch out . . .


Look on the bright side. Methane exists in the atmosphere for about 3-7 years before being broken down into CO2 and water. Methane is far more climate impacting than the CO2 and water that it will turn into, so the increased release of natural gas is not quite as huge of an accumulating risk as envisioned. He probably already knows that.
Anyway, I don't see why methane reserves can't be safely extracted and liquefied in Antarctica. If it is going to be released it might be handy to convert it to CO2 for our own purposes(and get the energy) and reduce other fossil fuel consumption in the process.
I'm generally pragmatic about climate change. I know it is going to happen, just like the tragedy of the commons, but if we can slow it down a bit perhaps we can better survive it. It just takes so damn long for dissolved CO2 to turn into carbonates in the ocean.
 
2012-08-30 09:32:25 PM

MartinD-35: the amount of methane being released from Siberian permafrost melt dwarfs the problem of CO2 production.


This is simply not true. It's the equivalent of being worried about driving 60 mph into a brick wall with no belt and airbags (CO2) vs. 80 mph. It's not the extra 20 mph (methane) that are the real problem.

Put differently, if it weren't for "the problem of CO2 production", there would be no permafrost or clathrate problem to worry about on policy-relevant timescales.
 
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