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(CNN)   Florida Court of Appeals agrees with Zimmerman that his current judge is unfairly biased. Court orders him to step down   (cnn.com) divider line 114
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2012-08-29 09:03:57 PM  
Glad that's out of the way before the trial.
 
2012-08-29 10:43:06 PM  
So how long until he doesn't like this judge and goes for #4?
 
2012-08-29 11:01:44 PM  

cretinbob: So how long until he doesn't like this judge and goes for #4?


6 months tops
 
2012-08-30 12:23:39 AM  
That's why you have to treat shiatbags like zimmerman with fairness and decorum.

So you can put 'em in prison with no reasonable hope of appeal.
 
2012-08-30 12:29:54 AM  

Hobodeluxe: cretinbob: So how long until he doesn't like this judge and goes for #4?

6 months tops


That long?
 
2012-08-30 12:41:37 AM  
BIBITE!
 
2012-08-30 01:23:16 AM  
DRINK!

Are we still doing that?
 
2012-08-30 05:28:23 AM  
fuark u florida
 
2012-08-30 05:33:08 AM  
Oh, joy. Another story about that douchebag from Florida.
 
2012-08-30 05:33:18 AM  

Hobodeluxe: cretinbob: So how long until he doesn't like this judge and goes for #4?

6 months tops


It's not up to him, it's up to the Court of Appeals to tell a judge to step down. He can biatch all he wants, and I'm sure his lawyers will.
 
2012-08-30 05:34:12 AM  
I think Zimmerman's farked no matter who the judge or jury are, but he had a valid complaint on this one.
 
2012-08-30 05:52:38 AM  
cretinbob:
So how long until he doesn't like this judge and goes for #4?

As mentioned above, it's not actually his choice.

The fact that they pulled this judge from the trial is pretty damning - it takes a LOT to get a judge yanked from a case. It's not just "I think the judge is biased," it's "this judge is not only biased, they've said a lot of stuff in public that shows they're not going to give even the pretense of a fair trial."
 
2012-08-30 06:01:15 AM  

GranoblasticMan: I think Zimmerman's farked no matter who the judge or jury are, but he had a valid complaint on this one.


Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.

Not to beat a dead horse. Imagine the KKK vs the Nazis. "You can't kill jews! Not when there's blacks walkin' around free!" Not exactly good.

Like Gen. Tacticus said: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more. You may not like Zimmerman, but this judge was indeed not doing his proper job.
 
2012-08-30 06:02:26 AM  

doglover: Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.


Rather, opposing someone who is wrong doesn't necessarily make you right.
 
2012-08-30 06:09:04 AM  

doglover: GranoblasticMan: I think Zimmerman's farked no matter who the judge or jury are, but he had a valid complaint on this one.

Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.

Not to beat a dead horse. Imagine the KKK vs the Nazis. "You can't kill jews! Not when there's blacks walkin' around free!" Not exactly good.

Like Gen. Tacticus said: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more. You may not like Zimmerman, but this judge was indeed not doing his proper job.


Both the KKK and Nazis hate Jews and blacks. They'd have a few celebratory Natty Lights at the deaths of either.
 
2012-08-30 06:11:53 AM  

GranoblasticMan: I think Zimmerman's farked no matter who the judge or jury are, but he had a valid complaint on this one.


Agreed. I remember when I read the judge's statement denying bail, especially the "other peoples' money" dig, I thought, "This is gonna bite ya in the ass, Judge."
 
2012-08-30 06:14:30 AM  

doglover: doglover: Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.

Rather, opposing someone who is wrong doesn't necessarily make you right.


I`m unsure whether you are right, wrong, or both.

i2.cdn.turner.com
"Hey, that guy in the courtroom is acting suspicious, they keep talking about me in a negative manner"
"That`s the prosecution"
"That sounds suspicious, I`m going to follow them"
"Don`t follow them"
"I`m going to follow them"
"We don`t need you to follow them"
"I`m going to follow them"
 
2012-08-30 06:18:27 AM  

doglover: doglover: Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.

Rather, opposing someone who is wrong doesn't necessarily make you right.


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-08-30 06:22:46 AM  

Asa Phelps: That's why you have to treat shiatbags like zimmerman with fairness and decorum.

So you can put 'em in prison with no reasonable hope of appeal.


Was a legitimate shooting in self-defense. The world is better off with out the punk he shot
 
2012-08-30 06:33:20 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Asa Phelps: That's why you have to treat shiatbags like zimmerman with fairness and decorum.

So you can put 'em in prison with no reasonable hope of appeal.

Was a legitimate shooting in self-defense. The world is better off with out the punk he shot


/insert boxxy "Yous trollins!" Picture here
 
2012-08-30 06:34:19 AM  

BronyMedic: doglover: doglover: Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean opposing them is right.

Rather, opposing someone who is wrong doesn't necessarily make you right.

[denver.mylittlefacewhen.com image 114x160]


You do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Or the wrong thing for the right reasons.


It's a biatch, but it's how things are.You probably see the latter daily at work. Good intentions and all that.
 
2012-08-30 06:36:03 AM  

MagSeven: Both the KKK and Nazis hate Jews and blacks


Oh.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Whatever. I don't really care to know much more. One's history and the other was infiltrated up the highest ranks by the guy who wrote the Superman radio show. It's not exactly like either group still has much clout.
 
2012-08-30 06:36:42 AM  
Is this the guy that thinks Skittles are a deadly weapon?
 
2012-08-30 06:42:00 AM  
Another non-event in a trial that will run for a couple of years - but hey, no excuse to post all the same crap that has already been posted about this is too slim!
Grab the popcorm!
Drink!
 
2012-08-30 06:44:59 AM  
FTFA: The former neighborhood watch captain ...

How does one get the rank of "captain" in a neighbourhood watch? Are there exams?
 
2012-08-30 06:51:47 AM  
Now to get that judge permanently removed from the bench. If people donate for a persons defense that money should not be stolen from the defendant by the judge.
 
2012-08-30 07:04:40 AM  
Thank you. Grandstanding judges have no place in the justice system.
 
2012-08-30 07:19:20 AM  
Nothing the circuit judge said about Zimmerman in that instance was incorrect. He and his wife defrauded the court into setting a low bail. But I guess you're immune to criticism when you're the White right's great Latin hope.

George Zimmerman is the real victim!
 
2012-08-30 07:25:39 AM  

indylaw: Nothing the circuit judge said about Zimmerman in that instance was incorrect. He and his wife defrauded the court into setting a low bail. But I guess you're immune to criticism when you're the White right's great Latin hope.

George Zimmerman is the real victim!


Aren't you a prosecutor?

You know that this judge's comments were unprofessional at best.

/I guess your injection of race is revealing enough of your motives, though
//carry on
 
2012-08-30 07:27:37 AM  

The Muthaship: Thank you. Grandstanding judges have no place in the justice system.


I would set a lower threshold than that. when there is even a superficial appearance, even an illusion of bias or impropriety, a judge (or juror) should be removed - better safe than sorry.
 
2012-08-30 07:35:01 AM  

The Muthaship: indylaw: Nothing the circuit judge said about Zimmerman in that instance was incorrect. He and his wife defrauded the court into setting a low bail. But I guess you're immune to criticism when you're the White right's great Latin hope.

George Zimmerman is the real victim!

Aren't you a prosecutor?

You know that this judge's comments were unprofessional at best.

/I guess your injection of race is revealing enough of your motives, though
//carry on


I'm a lawyer - not a prosecutor. Actually, I do mostly criminal defense.

The court didn't really go into its reasoning for the writ of prohibition. It admitted that it was a close call. The only reason they did this is that they want to avoid questions about the fairness of these proceedings down the road, so they're being overly cautious. That's the only thing that explains this ruling. Judges criticize parties who cheat, lie and engage in dirty tricks all. of. the. time. and they almost never get recused. And I've seen nothing that suggests that the judge's comments about Zimmerman under the circumstances were prejudicial or unwarranted. The judge's only mistake was that he should have held Zimmerman in contempt right away rather than "reserving the right" to do so in the future.
 
2012-08-30 07:37:11 AM  

indylaw: And I've seen nothing that suggests that the judge's comments about Zimmerman under the circumstances were prejudicial or unwarranted.


Value judgments about the state's evidence on the record, and suggestions of other charges they should consider pursuing coming from the presiding judge aren't prejudicial or unwarranted? Okay.

When did you quit prosecuting? I remember you saying that's what you did.
 
2012-08-30 07:40:58 AM  
Removal of the judge may be a good thing for Zimmerman in the short term, since the judge was obviously annoyed about being lied to, and would have been skeptical of Zimmerman's statements during the trial. In the long term, it removes an avenue of appeal which Zimmerman may wish he'd retained.

None of which changes the fact that Zimmerman's dishonesty while under oath is a matter of court record, fully admissible to demonstrate his willingness to lie to protect himself, and will almost certainly be introduced by the prosecution to impeach Zimmerman's testimony.
 
2012-08-30 07:44:38 AM  
So, the judge doesn't get to stand his ground?
 
2012-08-30 07:47:31 AM  

The Muthaship: Value judgments about the state's evidence on the record, and suggestions of other charges they should consider pursuing coming from the presiding judge aren't prejudicial or unwarranted? Okay.


A judge must consider the nature of the charges and supporting evidence against a defendant when deciding whether and at what level to set bond. There is nothing irregular about the trial judge's ruling. You misunderstand. That determination will not be presented to the jury. If the judge had allowed prosecutors to show the order to the jury at trial saying "Hey, look, the judge thinks our evidence is strong!" then I would have no disagreement with what you're saying, but at the stage of setting bail, there's nothing wrong with considering the apparent strength of the prima facie evidence.

Further, the judge said "he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process" in connection with his reasons to revoke bail, which seems like good reasoning - someone who doesn't respect the rules and judgments of a court seem more likely to try to flee.

The appeals court decided as they did because this case is being closely watched and they don't want every ruling of this judge to be challenged on bias grounds.

And I was never a prosecutor. You must have misunderstood me.
 
2012-08-30 07:50:28 AM  

indylaw: The Muthaship: indylaw: Nothing the circuit judge said about Zimmerman in that instance was incorrect. He and his wife defrauded the court into setting a low bail. But I guess you're immune to criticism when you're the White right's great Latin hope.

George Zimmerman is the real victim!

Aren't you a prosecutor?

You know that this judge's comments were unprofessional at best.

/I guess your injection of race is revealing enough of your motives, though
//carry on

I'm a lawyer - not a prosecutor. Actually, I do mostly criminal defense.

The court didn't really go into its reasoning for the writ of prohibition. It admitted that it was a close call. The only reason they did this is that they want to avoid questions about the fairness of these proceedings down the road, so they're being overly cautious. That's the only thing that explains this ruling. Judges criticize parties who cheat, lie and engage in dirty tricks all. of. the. time. and they almost never get recused. And I've seen nothing that suggests that the judge's comments about Zimmerman under the circumstances were prejudicial or unwarranted. The judge's only mistake was that he should have held Zimmerman in contempt right away rather than "reserving the right" to do so in the future.


It's important to remember that Zimmerman is going to get "rich man's justice" - for the intents and purposes of this trial, he is a rich man. His supporters will fund a quality defense - one that explores and exploits any possible avenue to retaining his freedom. This is a wise decision that will avoid trouble down the road.
 
2012-08-30 07:55:29 AM  

indylaw: The Muthaship: indylaw: Nothing the circuit judge said about Zimmerman in that instance was incorrect. He and his wife defrauded the court into setting a low bail. But I guess you're immune to criticism when you're the White right's great Latin hope.

George Zimmerman is the real victim!

Aren't you a prosecutor?

You know that this judge's comments were unprofessional at best.

/I guess your injection of race is revealing enough of your motives, though
//carry on

I'm a lawyer - not a prosecutor. Actually, I do mostly criminal defense.

The court didn't really go into its reasoning for the writ of prohibition. It admitted that it was a close call. The only reason they did this is that they want to avoid questions about the fairness of these proceedings down the road, so they're being overly cautious. That's the only thing that explains this ruling. Judges criticize parties who cheat, lie and engage in dirty tricks all. of. the. time. and they almost never get recused. And I've seen nothing that suggests that the judge's comments about Zimmerman under the circumstances were prejudicial or unwarranted. The judge's only mistake was that he should have held Zimmerman in contempt right away rather than "reserving the right" to do so in the future.


What's your opinion of the prosecutor suborning perjury? Think she should / will be removed as well?
 
2012-08-30 08:08:42 AM  

Malik Sardonis: Removal of the judge may be a good thing for Zimmerman in the short term, since the judge was obviously annoyed about being lied to, and would have been skeptical of Zimmerman's statements during the trial. In the long term, it removes an avenue of appeal which Zimmerman may wish he'd retained.

None of which changes the fact that Zimmerman's dishonesty while under oath is a matter of court record, fully admissible to demonstrate his willingness to lie to protect himself, and will almost certainly be introduced by the prosecution to impeach Zimmerman's testimony.


1. Lie to judge
2. Get judge replaced.
3. Repeat.

It's GENIUS.
 
2012-08-30 08:12:03 AM  
Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.
 
2012-08-30 08:14:42 AM  

jafiwam: Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.


"arrogant goon"? Zimmerman?
 
2012-08-30 08:19:14 AM  

indylaw: jafiwam: Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.

"arrogant goon"? Zimmerman?


The judge, ya moron.

Speaking of moron, maybe you should go back and read the published transcripts of the hearings and pinpoint the spot where Zimmerman and his lawyer (and Z-dog's wife) explain what funds they have.

You know, the part the judge ignored, and lied about having occur in his court room in order to justify the false accusation of perjury later.

I'll wait. It's in there. Your ideas are based on something other than the truth.
 
2012-08-30 08:20:24 AM  
While we are at it, let's get started!

img838.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-30 08:21:30 AM  

jafiwam: indylaw: jafiwam: Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.

"arrogant goon"? Zimmerman?

The judge, ya moron.

Speaking of moron, maybe you should go back and read the published transcripts of the hearings and pinpoint the spot where Zimmerman and his lawyer (and Z-dog's wife) explain what funds they have.

You know, the part the judge ignored, and lied about having occur in his court room in order to justify the false accusation of perjury later.

I'll wait. It's in there. Your ideas are based on something other than the truth.


Why don't you present the relevant text for me? I'm not going to do your work for you.
 
2012-08-30 08:22:06 AM  

jafiwam: While we are at it, let's get started!

[img838.imageshack.us image 270x230]


Oh, so you're just an asshole. Color me shocked.
 
2012-08-30 08:30:56 AM  

indylaw: jafiwam: indylaw: jafiwam: Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.

"arrogant goon"? Zimmerman?

The judge, ya moron.

Speaking of moron, maybe you should go back and read the published transcripts of the hearings and pinpoint the spot where Zimmerman and his lawyer (and Z-dog's wife) explain what funds they have.

You know, the part the judge ignored, and lied about having occur in his court room in order to justify the false accusation of perjury later.

I'll wait. It's in there. Your ideas are based on something other than the truth.

Why don't you present the relevant text for me? I'm not going to do your work for you.


You are the one making false claims. You need to back up YOUR assertions with proof.

It seems to me, the asswipe of a racist judge already got handed some pretty big evidence that you, and your entire camp of baiters and wannabe lawyers are wrong. The COURT JUST DECIDED YOU ARE WRONG.

At this point, you are just a loser. Maybe, call the judge up and help him out with whatever evidence you have, he can appeal using your hard-discovered evidence and get back on the case.
 
2012-08-30 08:33:53 AM  

jafiwam: You are the one making false claims. You need to back up YOUR assertions with proof.


NO U

/derp derp derp derp derp godwin derp
 
2012-08-30 08:38:53 AM  
Good. That wasn't his money. People didn't donate just to hand it over to the state of Florida. What kind bizarro world is that considered fair and just? Yeah he kept the money, it cost him an additional 100k, nobody cares about the judges little message as people just donated more to help him out through his witchhunt

Don't worry guys, you'll get over it. Zimmerman's trial is fueled on liberal tears and they are almost done drying up
 
2012-08-30 08:47:57 AM  

ChuDogg: Good. That wasn't his money. People didn't donate just to hand it over to the state of Florida. What kind bizarro world is that considered fair and just? Yeah he kept the money, it cost him an additional 100k, nobody cares about the judges little message as people just donated more to help him out through his witchhunt

Don't worry guys, you'll get over it. Zimmerman's trial is fueled on liberal tears and they are almost done drying up


I have to say that at this point, this has become a procedural courtroom drama for me. I'll be fascinated to see how the law works itself out in this matter, but at this point i don't give a rat's who wins or loses - and I suspect a lot of people are starting to feel that way. People burn out on shiat, and get bored with it. You can engage the mind over a long period of time - the emotions, not so much.
 
2012-08-30 08:48:35 AM  

jafiwam: indylaw: jafiwam: indylaw: jafiwam: Hahah. I knew that arrogant goon would fark himself in the ass somehow.

"arrogant goon"? Zimmerman?

The judge, ya moron.

Speaking of moron, maybe you should go back and read the published transcripts of the hearings and pinpoint the spot where Zimmerman and his lawyer (and Z-dog's wife) explain what funds they have.

You know, the part the judge ignored, and lied about having occur in his court room in order to justify the false accusation of perjury later.

I'll wait. It's in there. Your ideas are based on something other than the truth.

Why don't you present the relevant text for me? I'm not going to do your work for you.

You are the one making false claims. You need to back up YOUR assertions with proof.

It seems to me, the asswipe of a racist judge already got handed some pretty big evidence that you, and your entire camp of baiters and wannabe lawyers are wrong. The COURT JUST DECIDED YOU ARE WRONG.

At this point, you are just a loser. Maybe, call the judge up and help him out with whatever evidence you have, he can appeal using your hard-discovered evidence and get back on the case.


YOU claimed indylaw was wrong.
You claim that there is evidence which proves this.
But you won't post it.
I wonder why?
 
2012-08-30 08:54:53 AM  

jso2897: ChuDogg: Good. That wasn't his money. People didn't donate just to hand it over to the state of Florida. What kind bizarro world is that considered fair and just? Yeah he kept the money, it cost him an additional 100k, nobody cares about the judges little message as people just donated more to help him out through his witchhunt

Don't worry guys, you'll get over it. Zimmerman's trial is fueled on liberal tears and they are almost done drying up

I have to say that at this point, this has become a procedural courtroom drama for me. I'll be fascinated to see how the law works itself out in this matter, but at this point i don't give a rat's who wins or loses - and I suspect a lot of people are starting to feel that way. People burn out on shiat, and get bored with it. You can engage the mind over a long period of time - the emotions, not so much.


Or maybe, just maybe, when we said all we wanted was an investigation and trial to determine whether or not he followed the law or broke it, just maybe, that's all we wanted.
 
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