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(The Droid Guy)   BlackBerry 10 will innovate by copying features from both Android and Windows, combining them to form Canadian Voltron   (thedroidguy.com) divider line 41
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2012-08-29 08:47:28 PM
Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.
 
2012-08-29 09:17:50 PM
Hey guys, why don't you copy that Apple stuff that everyone loves so much?


Oh. Right. Samsung.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:45 PM

GAT_00: Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.


Apple has a trademark on the word "ten," the number 10, and the letter X.
 
2012-08-29 11:38:35 PM
The last great non-American OS... too little, too late.

iOS, Android, Windows Phone. The last one isn't even a sure bet yet, but may become one with Windows Phone 8. Remember those three. Blackberry is dead.
 
2012-08-29 11:38:49 PM
RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.
 
2012-08-29 11:43:05 PM
And everything that needs to be said has been said..

/someone turns off the lights
 
2012-08-29 11:48:47 PM

Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.


But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?
 
2012-08-29 11:51:41 PM
inadawords.com

/oblig
 
2012-08-29 11:51:47 PM

GAT_00: Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.


Remember, they only sue companies that are profitable while stealing their stuff.

So, yeah, RIM is gonna be okay on that count.
 
2012-08-29 11:59:07 PM
It's thanks to the original success of RIM that I have a job due to Mike L's generosity. Waterloo wouldn't be what it is if that company never existed. I can only hope they've got the ability to move on and be successful.
 
2012-08-30 12:01:39 AM

Amper: GAT_00: Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.

Remember, they only sue companies that are profitable while stealing their stuff.

So, yeah, RIM is gonna be okay on that count.


RIM has $2Bn cash on hand they could always be sued for. They cut $1Bn in yearly expenses to keep that cash. They're starting to sell property in Waterloo... they make good money and their income has shrunk but they've also drasticly cut the company lean again. It could all end up working out.
 
2012-08-30 12:31:50 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


i.qkme.me
 
2012-08-30 12:35:39 AM
blackpixelluminance.com

/What Canadian voltron may look like
/mecha-shiva! mecha-shiva! mecha-shiva!
 
2012-08-30 12:37:50 AM

Cooper420: Amper: GAT_00: Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.

Remember, they only sue companies that are profitable while stealing their stuff.

So, yeah, RIM is gonna be okay on that count.

RIM has $2Bn cash on hand they could always be sued for. They cut $1Bn in yearly expenses to keep that cash. They're starting to sell property in Waterloo... they make good money and their income has shrunk but they've also drasticly cut the company lean again. It could all end up working out.


They lost half a billion dollars in Q1 of their last financial quarter, and it isn't getting any better. They can't continue to cut and expect to increase revenues. That $2B will last them maybe another 18 months, tops, and then they sell for a bit under book value, which by most estimates is about $18 a share. The fact that the share is trading at almost half it's book value tells you exactly what the market thinks of RIM.

They're dead, Jim. They aren't coming back.
 
2012-08-30 01:01:12 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


They decided, "Hey, let's follow in Palm's footsteps...what could possibly go wrong?"
 
2012-08-30 01:05:13 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


10? Try about 5. Even 3 if you wanna push it. It was just relatively recently when RIM lost the smartphone dominance.
 
2012-08-30 01:20:26 AM
Should have jumped on being a service company when they could have.
Now they are an also ran.
 
2012-08-30 01:34:13 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


Hubris.

Pride goeth before the fall.
 
2012-08-30 01:42:38 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


They doubled down on clicking. Gotta have a physical keyboard. No? Then gotta have a physical click when tapping on the screen. What do you mean, no? Huh. What's wrong with our customers?
 
2012-08-30 02:11:15 AM
Paid shills and brainwashed douchebags, not knowing how to do anything else, will continue to parrot anti-Apple propaganda pumped into their empty heads by some other company's PR department.

Sense of shame totally optional, apparently.
 
2012-08-30 02:19:12 AM
We have a BBX device at my office, when I first saw it I honestly confused it with a bigger iPhone. It's almost identical to the iPhone except the button on the bottom is a bar code.
 
2012-08-30 02:27:03 AM
And I'LL form the HEAD, eh?
 
2012-08-30 02:43:39 AM
So over RIM. I still think the 8330 is the best phone of all time for you know, actually being a goddamn phone.
 
2012-08-30 02:53:40 AM
All Canadian Voltron does is drink and biatch about the french.
 
2012-08-30 03:39:23 AM

jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


You mean 3-4 years ago. Basically, they saw their friend Microsoft jump off a bridge and wanted to be cool.

BTW, if I remember right, Blackberry X will break all compatibility with software written for previous versions. That will wipe out all of those pesky "legacy applications" and give them a clean slate. Ya know, just in case there was even the most remote chance of survival.
 
2012-08-30 04:15:40 AM

AKTurkey: [blackpixelluminance.com image 193x221]

/What Canadian voltron may look like
/mecha-shiva! mecha-shiva! mecha-shiva!


Would make for a heck of a goalie, that's for sure.
 
2012-08-30 04:38:21 AM
They have a poor OS and are even more limited than Apple, but everything else they do is great or better than the rest.

/got a Blackberry Torch
 
2012-08-30 07:22:59 AM

Rent Party: Cooper420: Amper: GAT_00: Apple, not knowing how to do anything else, sues Blackberry anyway.

Remember, they only sue companies that are profitable while stealing their stuff.

So, yeah, RIM is gonna be okay on that count.

RIM has $2Bn cash on hand they could always be sued for. They cut $1Bn in yearly expenses to keep that cash. They're starting to sell property in Waterloo... they make good money and their income has shrunk but they've also drasticly cut the company lean again. It could all end up working out.

They lost half a billion dollars in Q1 of their last financial quarter, and it isn't getting any better. They can't continue to cut and expect to increase revenues. That $2B will last them maybe another 18 months, tops, and then they sell for a bit under book value, which by most estimates is about $18 a share. The fact that the share is trading at almost half it's book value tells you exactly what the market thinks of RIM.

They're dead, Jim. They aren't coming back.


The stock flutters around the $7 mark. That $2Bn has been in the bank for at least 2 years (and once again, It has not shrunk, their losses have not eaten into it) The drastic cuts are more than to control bleeding, it's to grow a bit more cash too.

I'm not calling it yet, I mean if Microsoft can pull off a decent phone... ANYONE can.

They also own so much land in Waterloo/Kitchener, they can get some money back from those properties they don't use anymore.

They have ONE last shot. Come January we'll see if the extra time was worth it. All I hear from my mobile developer friends i that they're incredibly excited for this BB10 to release but they do fear that the wait is going to be too long.
 
2012-08-30 07:23:55 AM

feanorn: jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?

They doubled down on clicking. Gotta have a physical keyboard. No? Then gotta have a physical click when tapping on the screen. What do you mean, no? Huh. What's wrong with our customers?


The main reason is that its the same fecking phone it always was, same shiatty internet, I have a Blackberry touch or what ever it is called for work, it sits in a draw at home, it was horrible to use, the touch screen is impossible to use
 
2012-08-30 07:44:16 AM

gmoney101: feanorn: jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?

They doubled down on clicking. Gotta have a physical keyboard. No? Then gotta have a physical click when tapping on the screen. What do you mean, no? Huh. What's wrong with our customers?

The main reason is that its the same fecking phone it always was, same shiatty internet, I have a Blackberry touch or what ever it is called for work, it sits in a draw at home, it was horrible to use, the touch screen is impossible to use


Ummm.. the ... *shudder* BlackBerry Storm? like the old full touch screen one from a few years back?

Maybe this is the problem, nobody talks about current generation OS 7.1 Bold 99xx and Torch 9810 phones which means everyone is basing their opinion on product that's years behind their current offering. They're still not exactly competitive to Android, IPhone, WP7 but they're close and they work.
 
2012-08-30 07:49:18 AM
"...copying features from both Android and Windows."


Why they fark would like want to do something that stupid? Android = semi ok. Windows = blows


/Apple iOS all the way.
//give it up blackberry
///you made shiatty phones anyways.
 
2012-08-30 07:59:41 AM

gmoney101: feanorn: jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?

They doubled down on clicking. Gotta have a physical keyboard. No? Then gotta have a physical click when tapping on the screen. What do you mean, no? Huh. What's wrong with our customers?

The main reason is that its the same fecking phone it always was, same shiatty internet, I have a Blackberry touch or what ever it is called for work, it sits in a draw at home, it was horrible to use, the touch screen is impossible to use


Actually, i was stupid to ask the question on Fark - I'm sure there is no single, succint answer.
 
2012-08-30 08:02:53 AM

Rent Party: jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?

[i.qkme.me image 625x475]


It was more complacency. They dominated what is now the smartphone market with Crackberries, but they sat on their asses instead of innovating.
 
2012-08-30 08:07:35 AM
My girlfriend had a windows phone, why anyone would copy that POS is beyond me.
 
2012-08-30 08:19:43 AM

TheTrashcanMan: "...copying features from both Android and Windows."


Why they fark would like want to do something that stupid? Android = semi ok. Windows = blows


/Apple iOS all the way.
//give it up blackberry
///you made shiatty phones anyways.


iOS is the single biggest flaw that the iphone has. The iPhone hardware is pretty damn good, the screen responsiveness is excellent, the phone feels solid and aesthetically it's a nice looking device. Unfortunately you need to buy a farking app just to save a farking attachment to a farking e-mail. I know that doesn't seem important to a lot of people but business users have serious issues with that sort of bullshiat.
 
2012-08-30 08:49:09 AM

Egoy3k: TheTrashcanMan: "...copying features from both Android and Windows."


Why they fark would like want to do something that stupid? Android = semi ok. Windows = blows


/Apple iOS all the way.
//give it up blackberry
///you made shiatty phones anyways.

iOS is the single biggest flaw that the iphone has. The iPhone hardware is pretty damn good, the screen responsiveness is excellent, the phone feels solid and aesthetically it's a nice looking device. Unfortunately you need to buy a farking app just to save a farking attachment to a farking e-mail. I know that doesn't seem important to a lot of people but business users have serious issues with that sort of bullshiat.


While I agree that it may have its flaws, I still believe it is the best operating system on the market and doesn't have as near as many problems as I have seen with android systems. I fully believe that if the iPhone went with a second (third?) party operating system the phone would be riddled with problems.

I am 100% convinced that the majority of Apples success is built around their entire product being produce by Apple (software, hardware), or at least a majority of it.
 
2012-08-30 09:50:02 AM

Cooper420: gmoney101: feanorn: jso2897: Russ1642: RIM is done. Finished. They're just in denial.

But....how? How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?

They doubled down on clicking. Gotta have a physical keyboard. No? Then gotta have a physical click when tapping on the screen. What do you mean, no? Huh. What's wrong with our customers?

The main reason is that its the same fecking phone it always was, same shiatty internet, I have a Blackberry touch or what ever it is called for work, it sits in a draw at home, it was horrible to use, the touch screen is impossible to use

Ummm.. the ... *shudder* BlackBerry Storm? like the old full touch screen one from a few years back?

Maybe this is the problem, nobody talks about current generation OS 7.1 Bold 99xx and Torch 9810 phones which means everyone is basing their opinion on product that's years behind their current offering. They're still not exactly competitive to Android, IPhone, WP7 but they're close and they work.


As someone who has both a Bold and an Android phone (G2 running Andromadus Mimicry), and has had a chance to mess around with the Torch a bit... no. No, they're not close at all.
 
2012-08-30 10:53:19 AM

Cooper420:

The stock flutters around the $7 mark.


Yes. And their book value is at $18. That should tell you something. It is selling at less than half of what the total assets of the company is worth.


That $2Bn has been in the bank for at least 2 years (and once again, It has not shrunk, their losses have not eaten into it) The drastic cuts are more than to control bleeding, it's to grow a bit more cash too.


If last quarters numbers are indicative, that $2B will be gone in a year. When you lose $500 million a quarter, that comes out to $2B a year. How do you think they cover those losses?


I'm not calling it yet, I mean if Microsoft can pull off a decent phone... ANYONE can.


The problem isn't pulling off a decent phone. Microsoft has multiple other lines of revenue that allow them to futz about in mobile. RIM is losing enterprise customers, and their handset sales are in decline relative to the market. Their other devices are abysmal (lookin' at you, Playbook.)

The problem wit RIM is that the time to pull off a decent phone is three years ago. The market has moved and BB10 isn't going to be the game changer that the original Blackberry and iPhone were. BB10 is a "me too" phone in a saturated market by a company that the market has lost faith in. BB10 could be the coolest phone to ever be built, and no one is going to buy it. All the Crackberry addicts are now Steve Jobs worshipers.


They also own so much land in Waterloo/Kitchener, they can get some money back from those properties they don't use anymore.


Selling assets to cover losses isn't a sustainable model.


They have ONE last shot. Come January we'll see if the extra time was worth it. All I hear from my mobile developer friends i that they're incredibly excited for this BB10 to release but they do fear that the wait is going to be too long.


They're dead, Jim. I've been to every BB developer conference in the last two years, and they're ghost towns.
 
2012-08-30 11:19:14 AM
I've said this before: Dear Blackberry. I have owned one of your phones now for 10 years. Your original strategy/business model was flawless. Make one phone/device, make it perfect, and be done. Create next generation, following the last two points. The problem started when you couldnt decide on one form factor, and felt like you NEEDED to make 6 different phones. As far as I'm concerned, your last decent phone was the 7200 (Loved my Blueberry) Was built like a tank, battery life was excellent, and it had a colour screen. Then you started in with the bold, the curve, the torch... And NONE of them were perfect. Not much of an apple guy, but there is a reason the iphone is as popular as it is. There is a reason that, as far as accessories go, you find iphone stuff every where. Try finding something for the new Curve... Oi...

Go back to your original business plan. Fix yer shiat.
 
2012-08-30 04:02:22 PM

jso2897: How the HELL does a company that was sitting where RIM was sitting ten years ago end up like this?


"'[The iPhone is] kind of one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of choice for consumers, but in terms of a sort of a sea-change for BlackBerry, I would think that's overstating it." - BlackBerry co-CEO Jim Balsillie, February 2007.

Symbian's CEO Nigel Clifford also said the iPhone posed no threat to Symbian's market dominance, and that it was actually a good thing because it "could educate the American consumer that there is more that you can do with a phone than treat it as an email device," which he presumably thought would be bad for Blackberry and good for Symbian.

So... not knowing a sea change when you see one, and not realizing that the enemy of your enemy isn't automatically your friend, can be bad. ;)
 
2012-08-31 03:05:41 PM
I think RIM can survive, BUT it needs to focus on being the business phone, not the "fun" phone.

They tried going into that market with the Torch, etc and it didn't work, in that area Android and iPhone have won.

They already have the professional business market which is slow to change. Emphases stuff like contact tracking, attachments, reminders, security, etc.
 
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