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2012-08-29 08:17:35 PM
He drives a blimp? Cool.
 
2012-08-29 08:18:30 PM
So he's going to have to survive on $89,500 per year?

Poor soul. How will he ever survive on that? It's only $74,500 more than he makes now.
 
2012-08-29 08:20:13 PM
He's apparently running on the Silly Party ticket.
 
2012-08-29 08:20:41 PM
I think the "difficulty" is that this guy only makes $15k a year, and LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
www.nytimes.com

In other words, he'll need a shiat-ton of funding to have any prayer of winning the seat over his opponents negative campaign ad landslide.
 
2012-08-29 08:23:29 PM
He is right about one thing, $179,000 is ridiculous for sitting around squabbling like children for 10 days a month.
 
2012-08-29 08:27:46 PM

Nofun: I think the "difficulty" is that this guy only makes $15k a year, and LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
[www.nytimes.com image 533x305]

In other words, he'll need a shiat-ton of funding to have any prayer of winning the seat over his opponents negative campaign ad landslide.


I don't think his opponents will even mention that he exists. It's not like he's going to be running any ads, ya know?

But yeah, I could totally see living on $89,000 a year. That's a lot more than I make now, although where I live, you don't have to make $89,000 a year to survive. That guy lives in a pretty expensive area.
 
2012-08-29 08:27:58 PM
I actually think we should double their pay. Not because they deserve it, but because I'd like to see regular people run for office.

It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich. God forbid you have a family with you or even back home.
 
2012-08-29 08:31:11 PM

pudding7: It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich


$179,000/year isn't enough? DC isn't that expensive. They don't even work the whole year. Get another job if that isn't enough. That's a ridiculous salary for what they do. That doesn't even include the bribes.
 
2012-08-29 08:37:07 PM

Mugato: pudding7: It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich

$179,000/year isn't enough? DC isn't that expensive. They don't even work the whole year. Get another job if that isn't enough. That's a ridiculous salary for what they do. That doesn't even include the bribes.


I'd resist cutting Congressional salaries because if we massively cut them, then it becomes even more than it is now a place where only the rich can work.
 
2012-08-29 08:40:13 PM
Good for him.

/also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't
 
2012-08-29 08:50:17 PM

ArkAngel: /also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't


Well it's probably a little more cramped than sleeping in a Mercury with Mystique... although that might be more "comfortable."

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-29 08:52:05 PM

ArkAngel: Good for him.

/also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't


Try a Jeep Wrangler

/I sincerely feel your pain
 
2012-08-29 08:52:23 PM

dbirchall: ArkAngel: /also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't

Well it's probably a little more cramped than sleeping in a Mercury with Mystique... although that might be more "comfortable."

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x336]


I prefer the Jennifer Lawrence version.
 
2012-08-29 08:55:04 PM

GAT_00: dbirchall: ArkAngel: /also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't

Well it's probably a little more cramped than sleeping in a Mercury with Mystique... although that might be more "comfortable."

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x336]

I prefer the Jennifer Lawrence version.


I'd take either. Preferably both, but either will work.
 
2012-08-29 08:59:16 PM
Isn't that, like, base pay? Aren't there a lot of extras, like per diem, piled onto that?
 
2012-08-29 09:35:13 PM

pudding7: I actually think we should double their pay. Not because they deserve it, but because I'd like to see regular people run for office.

It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich. God forbid you have a family with you or even back home.


Hmm, how many of these congressman live in say, the Anacostia section of DC? I would say none of them. I think you could easily live on $179,000 a year there.

BTW, as for his opponent Tulsi Gabbard...like the fist of an angry, Samoan, god Link
 
2012-08-29 10:03:13 PM
I guess it's the thought that counts.
 
2012-08-29 10:04:54 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ArkAngel: Good for him.

/also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't

Try a Jeep Wrangler

/I sincerely feel your pain


When I lived in a campground for a year, (I had a log cabin with no running water but I did have gas heat and dialup internets) there was a guy who would live in a cabin in the winter and live in the bed of his Dodge Ram the rest of the year.
 
2012-08-29 10:08:21 PM
Is his van down by the river?
 
2012-08-29 10:08:53 PM
I'm more concerned with the money that they're making that's not comming from the government.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:48 PM
Don't worry, he won't follow up on his donation offer if elected.
 
2012-08-29 10:11:29 PM

Methadone Girls: So he's going to have to survive on $89,500 per year?

Poor soul. How will he ever survive on that? It's only $74,500 more than he makes now.


Exactly where I was going with this. It's the fundamental disconnect in this country, really.
 
2012-08-29 10:15:33 PM

Hagbardr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ArkAngel: Good for him.

/also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't

Try a Jeep Wrangler

/I sincerely feel your pain

When I lived in a campground for a year, (I had a log cabin with no running water but I did have gas heat and dialup internets) there was a guy who would live in a cabin in the winter and live in the bed of his Dodge Ram the rest of the year.


KOA?

/yeah... did that, too
 
2012-08-29 10:17:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Isn't that, like, base pay? Aren't there a lot of extras, like per diem, piled onto that?


There's that, but the real money's in the backroom deals.
 
2012-08-29 10:21:10 PM
Homeless and Republican?

That's a whole lot of crazy there.
 
2012-08-29 10:21:13 PM
Before people say congress needs serious paycuts, I suggest you take a look at the Texas legislature. The legislature gets paid nothing really so it is highly responsive to special interests. Just walk in and hand out checks for 10k (if you have that kind of money) and you will have them in your pocket. If I recall correctly they get less than 30k per year and don't meet throughout the year so it virtually guarantees only the wealthy can get into office.
 
2012-08-29 10:26:41 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hagbardr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ArkAngel: Good for him.

/also currently living in my car
//van would be more comfortable
//sleeping in a Mercury Mystique sure isn't

Try a Jeep Wrangler

/I sincerely feel your pain

When I lived in a campground for a year, (I had a log cabin with no running water but I did have gas heat and dialup internets) there was a guy who would live in a cabin in the winter and live in the bed of his Dodge Ram the rest of the year.

KOA?

/yeah... did that, too


Privately owned campground. Lived there my sophomore year of college. I was a bit too old for the dorms and students living in town were zoned into overpriced firetrap slums. You couldn't rent a regular apartment if you were a student. I lived there with my friend whose freshman home had been razed to make room for a new plaza.
 
2012-08-29 10:32:14 PM
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dbirchall: Nofun: I think the "difficulty" is that this guy only makes $15k a year, and LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
[www.nytimes.com image 533x305]

In other words, he'll need a shiat-ton of funding to have any prayer of winning the seat over his opponents negative campaign ad landslide.

I don't think his opponents will even mention that he exists. It's not like he's going to be running any ads, ya know?

But yeah, I could totally see living on $89,000 a year. That's a lot more than I make now, although where I live, you don't have to make $89,000 a year to survive. That guy lives in a pretty expensive area.


NO ads are neccesary


It's this

upload.wikimedia.org

VS.

this

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2012-08-29 10:32:31 PM

poopinator: Homeless and Republican?

That's a whole lot of crazy there.


Talk about voting against your interests. THis reminds me of one of those starburst commercials about contradictions.
 
2012-08-29 10:36:52 PM

pudding7: I actually think we should double their pay. Not because they deserve it, but because I'd like to see regular people run for office.

It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich. God forbid you have a family with you or even back home.


You know how I know you don't know what the median income in Washington DC is?
 
2012-08-29 10:42:51 PM

Gergesa: snip


Or you could enact serious legislation to make bribery illegal.

/ I live in a dream world.
 
2012-08-29 10:50:39 PM
It seems our choices ars superwealthy bluebloods who know only to well how to game the system and homeless guys in vans who know which diners give out leftovers.

Great.
 
2012-08-29 10:51:59 PM
That is actually really cool and as a leftist I would totally vote for this guy I would.
 
2012-08-29 11:01:11 PM

MFAWG: Methadone Girls: So he's going to have to survive on $89,500 per year?

Poor soul. How will he ever survive on that? It's only $74,500 more than he makes now.

Exactly where I was going with this. It's the fundamental disconnect in this country, really.


Well, I'm glad I could point out the obvious for you
 
2012-08-29 11:02:21 PM
I dont think $15K would cover the dry cleaning bill for the average congresscritter.
 
2012-08-29 11:06:25 PM
He'll have plenty of time to pass legislation.... when he's living in a van down by the river!
 
2012-08-29 11:09:09 PM

jaytkay: You know how I know you don't know what the median income in Washington DC is?


It isn't the "living in DC" by itself that is the problem. It is "live in DC" while also still maintaining a residence back where you come from. People biatch about Congresscritters being rich, but no one wants their Congresscritter living in a tenement either ("He lives there?! What kind of slob, shiat-for-brains lives there?!"). So you need to at least be living in a decent HOA to convince people you are not a complete loser - and then you have to live DC, again not in crack-den central. And you have to travel back and forth, since you need to spend at least part of the days you are "not working" in DC doing stuff back home. By the time you add it up, the Congressional salary is not some boundless source of easy wealth.

I have no idea where you might do the following, but might be best in the long-term is to create some sort of Olympic-Village-esque complex in DC. Apportion out rooms for each Rep and Sen, along with decent amenities. They don't have to live there per se, but make it free or rented for significantly less than the average DC rent to encourage them to live there.

Of course, I also think we should quintuple the number of Reps and triple the number of Senators. We have the least representative democracy of the representative democracies, i.e. each Congresscritter represents more people than the equivalent official in other countries. For instance, Britain has only a 1/5 of the population but about a 1/3 more MPs as US Reps.
 
2012-08-29 11:25:55 PM

GAT_00: Mugato: pudding7: It's expensive as hell to live in or near Washington DC. You can't afford to live as a member of congress unless you're already rich

$179,000/year isn't enough? DC isn't that expensive. They don't even work the whole year. Get another job if that isn't enough. That's a ridiculous salary for what they do. That doesn't even include the bribes.

I'd resist cutting Congressional salaries because if we massively cut them, then it becomes even more than it is now a place where only the rich can work.


Solution: Cut all private political funding, have ONLY publicly funded campaigns. Have every last iota of lobbyist/politician contact be recorded and immediately publicly available. Have a 5 year moratorium in either direction for a lobbyist becoming a politician or a politician becoming a lobbyist. Stop the lifetime insurance and retirement fund for politicians, and have their benefits be commensurate with their time served.
 
2012-08-29 11:26:56 PM
Some of my Republican relatives recently shared this graphic on facebook rambling about how we should withhold Congressmen's paychecks until they get some actual work done, just like normal people have to work for the money they get, and THAT'LL show 'em, etc. etc. etc.

I just barely resisted the urge to tell them they have shiat for brains if they think 179k is anything more than a pittance to the average Congressman.
 
2012-08-29 11:28:40 PM
It's easy to live in a van down by the river... WHEN YOU LOVE IN A VA~A~A~AN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!
 
2012-08-29 11:39:41 PM
People talking about 180k salaries for congress is like worrying about if your family budget could afford a pack of gum this year.

It's a gnat on an elephant's ass.

Stop it already with the petty salary talk, let's talk about the trillions going down the drain at the DoD, for example.
 
2012-08-29 11:40:41 PM

dbirchall: Nofun: I think the "difficulty" is that this guy only makes $15k a year, and LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
[www.nytimes.com image 533x305]

In other words, he'll need a shiat-ton of funding to have any prayer of winning the seat over his opponents negative campaign ad landslide.

I don't think his opponents will even mention that he exists. It's not like he's going to be running any ads, ya know?

But yeah, I could totally see living on $89,000 a year. That's a lot more than I make now, although where I live, you don't have to make $89,000 a year to survive. That guy lives in a pretty expensive area.


Right now, I could live on freaking $15,000 a year. It would be 15,000% more than I'm making now.
 
2012-08-30 12:07:53 AM

Kanemano: Idbirchall: Nofun: I think the "difficulty" is that this guy only makes $15k a year, and LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
[www.nytimes.com image 533x305]

In other words, he'll need a shiat-ton of funding to have any prayer of winning the seat over his opponents negative campaign ad landslide.

I don't think his opponents will even mention that he exists. It's not like he's going to be running any ads, ya know?

But yeah, I could totally see living on $89,000 a year. That's a lot more than I make now, although where I live, you don't have to make $89,000 a year to survive. That guy lives in a pretty expensive area.

NO ads are neccesary


It's this

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x229]

VS.

this

[farm6.static.flickr.com image 500x333]



upload.wikimedia.org

Agreed. He's going to get stomped.The real story here is Tulsi Gabbard:

Female Samoan Hindu Combat Veteran. (ilnk)

She's being groomed for a US Senate seat. Expect her to replace Senator Dan Inouye when he retires.
 
2012-08-30 12:10:04 AM

phalamir: jaytkay: You know how I know you don't know what the median income in Washington DC is?

It isn't the "living in DC" by itself that is the problem. It is "live in DC" while also still maintaining a residence back where you come from. People biatch about Congresscritters being rich, but no one wants their Congresscritter living in a tenement either ("He lives there?! What kind of slob, shiat-for-brains lives there?!"). So you need to at least be living in a decent HOA to convince people you are not a complete loser - and then you have to live DC, again not in crack-den central. And you have to travel back and forth, since you need to spend at least part of the days you are "not working" in DC doing stuff back home. By the time you add it up, the Congressional salary is not some boundless source of easy wealth.

I have no idea where you might do the following, but might be best in the long-term is to create some sort of Olympic-Village-esque complex in DC. Apportion out rooms for each Rep and Sen, along with decent amenities. They don't have to live there per se, but make it free or rented for significantly less than the average DC rent to encourage them to live there.

Of course, I also think we should quintuple the number of Reps and triple the number of Senators. We have the least representative democracy of the representative democracies, i.e. each Congresscritter represents more people than the equivalent official in other countries. For instance, Britain has only a 1/5 of the population but about a 1/3 more MPs as US Reps.


They receive no stipends, per diems, housing allowances,moving assistance by moving companies, etc? A sergeant in the army gets some of that. The 179k they get has to cover every expense including transportation they have? Highly doubtful.
 
2012-08-30 12:36:21 AM

the council of thirteen: I'm more concerned with the money that they're making that's not comming from the government.


This.

IMO the whole reason we pay them as much as we do is so they aren't as tempted by bribes.
Yes, i realize that is naive.
 
2012-08-30 12:39:07 AM

rudemix: They receive no stipends, per diems, housing allowances,moving assistance by moving companies, etc? A sergeant in the army gets some of that. The 179k they get has to cover every expense including transportation they have? Highly doubtful.


They get a car allowance, but no moving allowance. They get some travel expenses, but maintaining two residences (their home district and DC) has always lead to financial problems. In the 19th century, representatives lived in boarding houses, often sleeping two or more to a bed. These days, some junior reps "live" in their offices. Others find free accommodations where they can (Rahm Emmanuel lived in someone's basement in Georgetown).

Biden had the best deal of anyone: he commuted in from his home outside Wilmington to DC every day on Amtrack.
 
2012-08-30 12:45:04 AM

phalamir: I have no idea where you might do the following, but might be best in the long-term is to create some sort of Olympic-Village-esque complex in DC. Apportion out rooms for each Rep and Sen, along with decent amenities. They don't have to live there per se, but make it free or rented for significantly less than the average DC rent to encourage them to live there.

Of course, I also think we should quintuple the number of Reps and triple the number of Senators. We have the least representative democracy of the representative democracies, i.e. each Congresscritter represents more people than the equivalent official in other countries. For instance, Britain has only a 1/5 of the population but about a 1/3 more MPs as US Reps.


I've always thought the Founding Fathers should have given land to each state to build their own state residences in DC, with plenty of land set aside for future additions. The states would pay for the upkeep and living expenses of their representatives.

As to the number of reps, the Senate is set at two a state in the Constitution. However, the House is limited by a bill passed in the 50s which capped the number of House Reps at 234, based on the number of desks available. We desperately need to remove that cap and seat more reps to give fair and equitable representation.
 
2012-08-30 12:55:16 AM

Gergesa: Before people say congress needs serious paycuts, I suggest you take a look at the Texas legislature. The legislature gets paid nothing really so it is highly responsive to special interests. Just walk in and hand out checks for 10k (if you have that kind of money) and you will have them in your pocket. If I recall correctly they get less than 30k per year and don't meet throughout the year so it virtually guarantees only the wealthy can get into office.


this fellow living in his vehicle won't be allowed to be Mayor or hold whatever little office in his area because he does not have a permanent address.

only the wealthy get into office is pretty standard in most areas way before we were born. every day poor slobs have to deal with putting food on the table and a roof over the head. our well to do friends live in great grandfathers mansion, eat the best foods, receive the finest educations and spend their adult days making sure their personal interests are taken care of.
 
2012-08-30 01:16:12 AM
I honestly could give a fark all about the salaries.

Stop electing Republicans to office.

Then we'll talk.
 
2012-08-30 01:30:52 AM

pudding7: People biatch about Congresscritters being rich, but no one wants their Congresscritter living in a tenement either ("He lives there?! What kind of slob, shiat-for-brains lives there?!"). So you need to at least be living in a decent HOA to convince people you are not a complete loser



Who knows or cares where their congressman lives?
 
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