Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NPR)   Just how did the Chinese finish a bridge in 18 months scheduled to take 3 years? How are Chinese construction companies making such terrific profits? Are there lessons here for American businesses and regulators?   (npr.org ) divider line
    More: Cool, Chinese, account of profits, Xinjiang, Fujian Province, Heilongjiang Province, bridge collapse, lessons, structures  
•       •       •

18710 clicks; posted to Main » on 29 Aug 2012 at 9:26 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



423 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2012-08-29 07:04:58 PM  
Poor safety laws
Cheap labor
Poor building standards
Easily bribeable officials
Cheap materials
 
2012-08-29 07:12:40 PM  
 
2012-08-29 07:17:51 PM  
Yah...no. If that's all you care about you can move to China and God help you. Me, I'd rather something be built to last, not collapse in the middle of the night killing dozens to hundreds of people becuase the constructors cut corners on cement.
 
2012-08-29 07:21:09 PM  
Former Public Works Inspector here. Plenty of stories. My stuff is still where it was designed to be and everybody went home.
 
2012-08-29 07:42:12 PM  
I can build a boat in 45 minutes using an ironing board, a barrel, aluminum foil and some duct tape.

That doesn't make it seaworthy.
 
2012-08-29 07:43:33 PM  
Look all I'm saying is that we'll make a sh*tload of money if we abandon safety regulations.

What's wrong with that?
 
2012-08-29 07:49:29 PM  
Woke the workers up in the middle of the night, gave them some tea, and led them to their stations?
 
2012-08-29 07:53:08 PM  
Public works projects in the US require plans prepared by a licensed Engineer and peer (governmental) review of those plans. All projects have a contractor's project engineer who inspects the tradesman's work. The project is also spot checked at critical junctures by governmental inspectors. Materials, such as concrete and steel and processes, such as welds, are inspected and certified by independent testing agencies.

Corruption is possible but very rare and difficult in the US. Most public works failures are due to age and lack of maintenance.

/Civil Engineer. Former project manager/inspector.
 
2012-08-29 07:56:40 PM  

Ambivalence: Yah...no. If that's all you care about you can move to China and God help you. Me, I'd rather something be built to last, not collapse in the middle of the night killing dozens to hundreds of people becuase the constructors cut corners on cement.


Lol, this. I'm not going on that bridge. If that's the kind of infrastructure you want here, you can fark straight the fark off. I'd rather, too, that we enforced some effort to not kill the people building bridges with unsafe working conditions.
 
2012-08-29 07:56:59 PM  

Rev.K: Look all I'm saying is that we'll make a sh*tload of money if we abandon safety regulations.

What's wrong with that?


Umm...people would die? Structural engineering is not something to fark with.
 
2012-08-29 07:57:54 PM  
Having been to China, one thing that struck me as supremely odd is that, for a supposedly communist society, noone gives two shiats about anyone else. It's like everyone lives in their own world. When people get to traffic lights, they just honk and drive through, as if to say "fark you, i'm going".

I can imagine that the heads of some of these construction firms are just like that. And I hear the Chinese built a few bridges in the USA lately with their own labourers, which is just awesome because apparently noone in the USA needs a job right now.

/I always laugh when I hear of a demonstration against some perceived threat to China happening. Noone demonstrates without explicit government involvement or prodding, or else they get squished by tanks. And like I said, the normal folk there don't give two shiats about anyone or anything outside of their tiny little lives.
 
2012-08-29 07:58:49 PM  

incendi: Woke the workers up in the middle of the night, gave them some tea, and led them to their stations?


and biscuits. I do believe the workers get tea AND biscuits.
 
2012-08-29 08:08:06 PM  

smells_like_meat: Public works projects in the US require plans prepared by a licensed Engineer and peer (governmental) review of those plans. All projects have a contractor's project engineer who inspects the tradesman's work. The project is also spot checked at critical junctures by governmental inspectors. Materials, such as concrete and steel and processes, such as welds, are inspected and certified by independent testing agencies.

Corruption is possible but very rare and difficult in the US. Most public works failures are due to age and lack of maintenance.

/Civil Engineer. Former project manager/inspector.


So you're saying we have too much regulation and government interference.
 
2012-08-29 08:15:42 PM  

miss diminutive: I can build a boat in 45 minutes using an ironing board, a barrel, aluminum foil and some duct tape.

That doesn't make it seaworthy.


That's not what you said when I bought it from you. You owe me $12.95 and a box of Tic-Tacs.
 
2012-08-29 08:23:32 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: miss diminutive: I can build a boat in 45 minutes using an ironing board, a barrel, aluminum foil and some duct tape.

That doesn't make it seaworthy.

That's not what you said when I bought it from you. You owe me $12.95 and a box of Tic-Tacs.


No refunds, force majeure, read the back of your sales agreement (scrawled on that napkin I gave you).
 
2012-08-29 08:31:21 PM  
Remember, these people make all our products. i'm SO glad we outsourced damn near everything to them....
 
2012-08-29 08:35:13 PM  
We tend to make bridges that are safe. China doesn't care. But we're well on the road to China if Libertarians keep killing safety laws and trying to sell off wholesale government infrastructure to business on the idiotic idea that business makes everything better.
 
2012-08-29 08:39:27 PM  
I guess we'll find out.

img526.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-29 08:40:13 PM  

GAT_00: We tend to make bridges that are safe. China doesn't care. But we're well on the road to China if Libertarians keep killing safety laws and trying to sell off wholesale government infrastructure to business on the idiotic idea that business makes everything better.


wait - when did the libertarian party get bigger than the GOP? I must have missed THAT announcement!
 
2012-08-29 08:41:38 PM  
img821.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-29 08:41:50 PM  

Mentat: I guess we'll find out.

[img526.imageshack.us image 400x225]


I got $5 that says the people who put that sign up have a building made from Chinese steel.
 
2012-08-29 08:46:48 PM  

GAT_00: Mentat: I guess we'll find out.

[img526.imageshack.us image 400x225]

I got $5 that says the people who put that sign up have a building made from Chinese steel.


Link
 
2012-08-29 08:50:12 PM  

Mentat: GAT_00: Mentat: I guess we'll find out.

[img526.imageshack.us image 400x225]

I got $5 that says the people who put that sign up have a building made from Chinese steel.

Link


No, I'm saying the people who put up signs like that are almost always exposed as massive hypocrites. The owners of that ad probably have significant shares in Chinese steel companies.
 
2012-08-29 08:53:42 PM  

Mentat: I guess we'll find out.

[img526.imageshack.us image 400x225]


So how do you handle the Bay Bridge?
 
2012-08-29 09:09:31 PM  

MadSkillz: for a supposedly communist society, noone gives two shiats about anyone else


Communism is a form of economics, nothing more.
 
2012-08-29 09:19:14 PM  
Hey Abbott, how did the Chinese finish a bridge in 18 months scheduled to take 3 years? How are Chinese construction companies making such terrific profits?
 
To get to the other side.
 
WIth jokes like that no wonder this is the only green you'll ever see.
 
WHY YOU SONOFABIATCH!
 
2012-08-29 09:28:01 PM  
Maybe they got some tips from the guys who built my house!
 
2012-08-29 09:28:18 PM  
This thread makes me wish Fark had a "Sad" voting button.
 
2012-08-29 09:30:16 PM  
If only there was some sort of children's tale that summed up why faster is not necessarily better.
 
2012-08-29 09:30:21 PM  
What the Chinese have is the ability to kill all news coverage of the bridge's eventual collapse. Or so they think.
 
2012-08-29 09:30:37 PM  

Ambivalence: Me, I'd rather something be built to last, not collapse in the middle of the night killing dozens to hundreds of people becuase the constructors cut corners on cement.



Just like in Minnesota

www.cnn.com
 
2012-08-29 09:31:33 PM  
This IS what happens when you have no regulation and no government inspection authorities yes. Just like Rubio said, you need to remove regulations to get things done. Think how much money a corp could make building that bridge 4 times?
 
2012-08-29 09:31:36 PM  
Let's play "guess who didn't click on the link."
 
2012-08-29 09:32:04 PM  

intelligent comment below: Just like in Minnesota


That collapsed in the daytime...
 
Biv
2012-08-29 09:32:32 PM  
The Empire State Building was built in 18 months.

The World Trade Center still isn't rebuilt.
 
2012-08-29 09:33:07 PM  

martissimo: fark if I know


They make great sidewalks too.
 
2012-08-29 09:33:28 PM  
Has anyone said Slave Labor, and zero enforced Regulations yet?
 
2012-08-29 09:34:46 PM  

Biv: The Empire State Building was built in 18 months.

The World Trade Center still isn't rebuilt.



The original World Trade Center actually took decades to get built.
 
2012-08-29 09:34:53 PM  
Because the farking thing will fall down in 6 months killing 350 people.
 
2012-08-29 09:34:55 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Poor safety laws
Cheap labor
Poor building standards
Easily bribeable officials
Cheap materials


Largely sidestepped environmental standards
 
2012-08-29 09:35:03 PM  
Wherever they build, the Chinese build the Chinese way. Poland hired a Chinese firm to build a highway for Euro 2012, but they eventually had to fire that firm when they got hopelessly behind schedule and neglected to pay any of their contractors. The Chinese firm ended up building something like 5 of the 51 km of highway they were supposed to build. And I'm not sure I'd risk driving on those 5km.
 
2012-08-29 09:35:16 PM  
"A lot of comrades didn't go home for more than a year, never took a holiday, never took off a weekend," Yang Qingwei, the party secretary of a bridge construction company, proudly told Heilongjiang provincial TV.

Because nothing guarantees reliable performance and quality construction like a cadre of exhausted, stressed, homesick workers.
 
2012-08-29 09:35:51 PM  
The correct answer is gays and abortion and...I'm forgetting the 3rd one.
 
2012-08-29 09:36:24 PM  

mongbiohazard: Let's play "guess who didn't click on the link."


:)
 
2012-08-29 09:37:08 PM  
China = under regulated

USA = over regulated

Can we just get a happy medium?
 
2012-08-29 09:37:18 PM  
Can't wait to see how the C919 flies!
 
2012-08-29 09:37:36 PM  
But early one morning last week, an entrance ramp to the bridge collapsed. Four trucks on the ramp tumbled to the roadway below. Three people died and five were injured.

The government initially blamed the trucks, saying they were overloaded


The way highway bridges are supposed to be designed, they can handle the load of tripple double-dark matter per square inch. You can park a loladed 747 on most bridges. Four trucks, no matter what is in them, should not be an issue.

There have been stories of concrete mixer trucks showing up to job sites with an extra bucket of concrete with some money taped to be bottom. Thats the concrete that gets field tested. the rest, not so much.

Welcome to china.
 
2012-08-29 09:37:36 PM  
They put melamine in their milk.
They put EVERYTHING in their wastewater.
God KNOWS what they put in their concrete!
 
2012-08-29 09:37:37 PM  
Did they study at the Institut Quebecois of Advanced Money Funneling, Bribing Officials, Stealing Money and Never Get Punished Even If You Get Caught à Montréal?
 
2012-08-29 09:38:04 PM  

Mentat: I guess we'll find out.

[img526.imageshack.us image 400x225]


Have you ever tried to buy non Chinese/Indian steel? Good luck.
 
Displayed 50 of 423 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report