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(Huffington Post)   Influential Catholic Priest: "Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster - 14, 16, 18 - is the seducer"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 277
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2012-08-29 06:44:24 PM
Here's a gem from the article:

Benedict expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I'm inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."


What. The. Fark?
 
2012-08-29 06:46:11 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Here's a gem from the article:

Benedict expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I'm inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."

What. The. Fark?


Translation: "We used to Roger little boys all we liked and nobody ratted us out. I miss those days."
 
2012-08-29 06:49:12 PM
Crazy old fool. They should lock him up.
 
2012-08-29 06:50:35 PM
Sadly this is what many influential members of the Clergy, including the guy we now call Pope Benny actually believe, and it has been a major factor in their disgraceful response to the pedophilia scandal. To them many of these pedophile priests are holy innocents with no defense against these youngsters raised in a sex-obsessed secular culture. Therefore they just needed to be taken away from these evil tempters and say a few hail mary's and they'd be right as rain.

Yes it's insane, yes it fundamentally misunderstands the nigh-obsessive-compulsive way most pedophiles operate, but it let them not have to re-examine their views on priestly celibacy or sexuality, so they bought into it
 
2012-08-29 06:50:50 PM
Any Fark Christians here to speak out against this guy? No?
 
2012-08-29 06:55:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Any Fark Christians here to speak out against this guy? No?


Would you settle for an agnostic saint?
 
2012-08-29 07:04:10 PM
In a recent interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel, of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said that teens act as seducers in some sexual abuse cases involving priests.

Something about Jesus in the desert, not giving into temptation, etc.
 
2012-08-29 07:06:16 PM

scottydoesntknow: In a recent interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel, of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said that teens act as seducers in some sexual abuse cases involving priests.

Something about Jesus in the desert, not giving into temptation, etc.


Apparently, the flesh is willing, but the spirit is weak
 
2012-08-29 07:12:59 PM

St_Francis_P: The My Little Pony Killer: Any Fark Christians here to speak out against this guy? No?

Would you settle for an agnostic saint?


Good enough for me. I'm just noting that this is a really good thread for the usual "I'm a Christian, but this guy totally disgusts me" crowd to make an appearance.
 
2012-08-29 07:17:07 PM

Godscrack: Crazy old fool. They should lock him up.


That might not be the punishment we think it is.

Exile him to the island of Lesbos instead.
 
2012-08-29 07:24:12 PM
criminal bastards
 
2012-08-29 07:43:41 PM

St_Francis_P: Runs_With_Scissors_: Here's a gem from the article:

Benedict expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I'm inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."

What. The. Fark?

Translation: "We used to Roger little boys all we liked and nobody ratted us out. I miss those days."


Back in those days it wasn't legitimate rogering.
 
2012-08-29 07:53:17 PM
Pressed for clarification, the New York State-based religious leader explained that kids looking for father figures might be drawn to priests to fill a hole.

THEY DIDN'T MEAN LITERALLY!
 
2012-08-29 08:31:52 PM
Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?
 
2012-08-29 08:33:14 PM

fusillade762: St_Francis_P: Runs_With_Scissors_: Here's a gem from the article:

Benedict expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I'm inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."

What. The. Fark?

Translation: "We used to Roger little boys all we liked and nobody ratted us out. I miss those days."

Back in those days it wasn't legitimate rogering.


But it was forceful.
 
2012-08-29 08:34:21 PM

St_Francis_P: Translation: "We used to Roger little boys all we liked and nobody ratted us out. I miss those days."


ethicalcomment.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-29 08:36:34 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?


More like stabby and shooty.
 
2012-08-29 08:38:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Any Fark Christians here to speak out against this guy? No?


Come on, who couldn't trust this face? I'm going to see if there are any altar boy positions...err spots open for my nephew.

i.huffpost.com
 
2012-08-29 08:39:48 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?


Stompy, punchy, stabby, shooty, drowny, poisony, and electrocutey, actually. This is but one reason why I'm ever so glad I have nothing to do with the Catholic Church anymore.
 
2012-08-29 08:44:28 PM
"the New York State-based religious leader explained that kids looking for father figures might be drawn to priests to fill a hole."
 
2012-08-29 08:49:15 PM
Well, he'd fit in nicely in Kandahar. So to speak.

When I was 14, 16, 18, I couldn't seduce a drunken nymphomaniac even if I had a bucket of roofies handy.
 
2012-08-29 08:55:39 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?


This^

2wolves: Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?

More like stabby and shooty.


And This^

/trying to understand why the Catholic church is even tolerated in this country anymore
 
2012-08-29 08:58:30 PM

Coco LaFemme: Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?

Stompy, punchy, stabby, shooty, drowny, poisony, and electrocutey, actually. This is but one reason why I'm ever so glad I have nothing to do with the Catholic Church anymore.


I agree 100%, just choose words on a misdemeanor level due to the whole 'somebody may do this and most legal research begins with google' principle.

Slashies and such....
 
2012-08-29 09:05:07 PM
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2012-08-29 09:08:51 PM
Forgive this
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2012-08-29 09:11:31 PM

Benedict expressed a belief that most of these "relationships" are heterosexual in nature, and that historically sexual relationships between men and boys have not been thought of as crimes.

"If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way... And I'm inclined to think, on [a priest's] first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime."


Times change, pal. We don't condone human slavery, or public floggings, or pubic dismemberment, vivisection or burning as executions any more either.

Perhaps we should, starting with pedophiles in the clergy.
 
2012-08-29 09:13:19 PM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Coco LaFemme: Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?

Stompy, punchy, stabby, shooty, drowny, poisony, and electrocutey, actually. This is but one reason why I'm ever so glad I have nothing to do with the Catholic Church anymore.

I agree 100%, just choose words on a misdemeanor level due to the whole 'somebody may do this and most legal research begins with google' principle.

Slashies and such....


Okay, how does stompy, punchy, stomppunchy and punchstompy sound?
 
2012-08-29 09:15:17 PM
I have two points to make.

1: Inappropriate seductive behavior from a youngster is almost always due to them having previously been sexually abused by someone. Keep in mind here i said inappropriate behavior - like making a run at a priest.

2: The ADULT in that situation is supposed to, you know, BE THE ADULT. Failing to do so is inexcusable.
 
2012-08-29 09:15:37 PM
That he-hag wouldn't be seduced in a Thai whorehose if his urethra were a broken ATM machine spewing 100 dollar bills and ice cream cones.
 
2012-08-29 09:18:36 PM

brap: That he-hag wouldn't be seduced in a Thai whorehose if his urethra were a broken ATM machine spewing 100 dollar bills and ice cream cones.


I know nothing about this thread is humorous, but you just put the visual in my head of a dick spitting out money and ice cream, and I broke out into a hearty guffaw.

Damn you.
 
2012-08-29 09:22:43 PM

brap: his urethra were a broken ATM machine spewing 100 dollar bills and ice cream cones.


I had a kidney stone the size of a small peppercorn once. I can only IMAGINE how much worse a full ice cream cone would hurt.
 
2012-08-29 09:35:39 PM

brap: That he-hag wouldn't be seduced in a Thai whorehose if his urethra were a broken ATM machine spewing 100 dollar bills and ice cream cones.


That was beautiful
 
2012-08-29 09:37:08 PM

Coco LaFemme: Wall_of_Doodoo: Anybody else feeling kinda stompy and punchy right now?

Stompy, punchy, stabby, shooty, drowny, poisony, and electrocutey, actually.


it.stlawu.edu

Come at me, bro.
 
2012-08-29 09:37:56 PM
Man, I hate atheists. They're so annoying, with all of their internet snark. How many people's feelings do they have to hurt before we start doing anything about them?
 
2012-08-29 09:40:00 PM

runujhkj: Man, I hate atheists. They're so annoying, with all of their internet snark.


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2012-08-29 09:43:05 PM

Godscrack: runujhkj: Man, I hate atheists. They're so annoying, with all of their internet snark.

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If that guy in the sandwich board was a Catholic priest, that picture would look very different.
 
2012-08-29 09:44:49 PM
I can see a young man reaching out to a priest as a father figure, but I don't get where that turns into a sexual relationship with the kid seducing the priest.

Does this guy think that some kids look at a priest and think, "He has been like a father to me for the last couple of years, let me see if I can get him to f*ck me up the butt."

Usually the person that is doing the seducing has the most confidence since they are trying to convince the other party to do something they probably initially don't want to.
When a kid is looking for a father figure, confidence is one of the things that attracts them to another person, they are looking for the role model.
I have a very hard time seeing where an uncertain kid would be the one trying to get the sex in that relationship.
 
2012-08-29 09:48:50 PM

runujhkj: Man, I hate atheists. They're so annoying, with all of their internet snark. How many people's feelings do they have to hurt before we start doing anything about them?


Show us on the doll where the mean atheists touched you.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:49 PM
It takes a really damaged individual to stand there and declare, as a priest, that a 14 year old was seducing adults, thats why they committed what society calls child rape.

Apparently this priest considers raping children to be part of the Laws of God rather than the Laws of Men.
 
2012-08-29 09:50:26 PM

fusillade762: runujhkj: Man, I hate atheists. They're so annoying, with all of their internet snark. How many people's feelings do they have to hurt before we start doing anything about them?

Show us on the doll where the mean atheists touched you.

Sniff

It was awful! They- they made fun of me on the Internet! I don't know how I'll go on.
 
2012-08-29 09:55:23 PM
damn sexy kids
 
2012-08-29 10:06:50 PM

Asa Phelps: I have two points to make.

1: Inappropriate seductive behavior from a youngster is almost always due to them having previously been sexually abused by someone. Keep in mind here i said inappropriate behavior - like making a run at a priest.

2: The ADULT in that situation is supposed to, you know, BE THE ADULT. Failing to do so is inexcusable.


Same thing with teens and teachers.
YOU ARE THE ADULT
Act like one!
 
2012-08-29 10:12:48 PM

Slives: I can see a young man reaching out to a priest as a father figure, but I don't get where that turns into a sexual relationship with the kid seducing the priest.

Does this guy think that some kids look at a priest and think, "He has been like a father to me for the last couple of years, let me see if I can get him to f*ck me up the butt."

Usually the person that is doing the seducing has the most confidence since they are trying to convince the other party to do something they probably initially don't want to.
When a kid is looking for a father figure, confidence is one of the things that attracts them to another person, they are looking for the role model.
I have a very hard time seeing where an uncertain kid would be the one trying to get the sex in that relationship.


He's talking about them slutty teenaged girls, obviously. Enough to give anyone a "nervous breakdown."
 
2012-08-29 10:31:28 PM
Holy Fark - it was Groeschel?

This guy is way beyond "influential" - he's a Catholic mega-star. He's been on EWTN forever. Groeschel is to Catholics as Neill DeGrasse Tyson is to armchair astronomers. People trust him. They listen to him as an authoritative source of information. As friars go, he's a total badass.

And he's saying shiat like this. Kreist.

Oh - and: If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties - except for rape or violence - it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way.

Bullshiat. It's still illegal to have gay sex in many states. And it's ILLEGAL TO RAPE LITTLE BOYS EVERYWHERE, YOU GODDAMN F*CKWIT.
 
2012-08-29 10:38:53 PM
Dear Catholic Church:

STOP IMITATING THE F*CKING ANCIENT WORLD


4.bp.blogspot.com 


We have new standards now.
 
2012-08-29 11:26:14 PM

Asa Phelps: I have two points to make.

1: Inappropriate seductive behavior from a youngster is almost always due to them having previously been sexually abused by someone. Keep in mind here i said inappropriate behavior - like making a run at a priest.

2: The ADULT in that situation is supposed to, you know, BE THE ADULT. Failing to do so is inexcusable.


Yeah. I'm sure the victims aren't all wide-eyed innocents, but it doesn't matter whether the kid thinks it's okay. It's up to the adult to know that this is wrong and act accordingly.
 
2012-08-29 11:34:38 PM
Finally, we've found the one guy who will defend Jerry Sandusky.
 
2012-08-29 11:43:07 PM
brap rawks.
 
2012-08-29 11:56:54 PM
So, if it's OK to have sex with boys, then what changes when they become men?

Go ahead. Think on that one for a moment. It's OK to sodomize a boy, but not to have consensual relations with an equal and active partner?

This is some twisted up logic to try to defend the indefensible...
 
2012-08-30 12:06:48 AM

Chariset: Asa Phelps: I have two points to make.

1: Inappropriate seductive behavior from a youngster is almost always due to them having previously been sexually abused by someone. Keep in mind here i said inappropriate behavior - like making a run at a priest.

2: The ADULT in that situation is supposed to, you know, BE THE ADULT. Failing to do so is inexcusable.

Yeah. I'm sure the victims aren't all wide-eyed innocents, but it doesn't matter whether the kid thinks it's okay. It's up to the adult to know that this is wrong and act accordingly.


Exactly.

What goes through the minds of priests in these situations SHOULD be "Holy Fark, this kid's problems are way bigger than mine are. I've got to get this kid some got damn therapy. And call social services."

It's depressing, disgusting, and uncanny that when you hear about a kid pursuing an inappropriate relationship with an older person, it's almost always because they are farked up over something someone did to them.

Used to be almost every episode of that radio and then tv show that adam corolla did with dr. drew - some girl or guy would start sobbing about some farked up relationship, Dr. Drew would ask "Were you abused by someone earlier in your life?", and they would admit it. Every damn time. It's a farking red flag.
 
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