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(KTUL Tulsa)   Tulsa city council calls in extra security for Thursday's meeting because C: For the first time in history, the invocation wil be given by an athiest   (ktul.com) divider line 119
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2012-08-29 04:51:14 PM
What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?
 
2012-08-29 04:59:07 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


Common sense and reason?
 
2012-08-29 05:09:58 PM
Do they really think extra security will stop God's wrath?
 
2012-08-29 05:22:10 PM
The comments are ... special.
 
2012-08-29 05:52:23 PM
Wow, not thanking the invisible being and giving people credit for our great nation. Blasphemy I tells ya.
 
2012-08-29 05:54:43 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


I'd do it. I'd just stand there for a minute not saying anything. Butthurt Christians would explode in anger.
 
2012-08-29 06:23:25 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


It's not his fault they call it an invocation/prayer.
 
2012-08-29 06:38:20 PM
there are things I could learn from all sorts of different religions

Atheism is NOT a religion.


2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


SCIENCE!
 
2012-08-29 06:44:44 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


Reality.
 
2012-08-29 08:58:01 PM
Oh! For the love of uh...ummm...
 
2012-08-29 09:34:04 PM
I've been to Tulsa. It is a religious zealot freak show. I hope they call in the National Guard to hold those freakish assbackwards loons in chains until it is over. Bet yet, nuke it from space... it's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-08-29 09:44:58 PM
I think my head just assploded. An atheist is giving a prayer? Isn't that like a macrobiotic vegan chomping down on a Porterhouse?
 
2012-08-29 09:47:06 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


Well, um... none.

"Hey, let's be thankful that things worked out and we had a pretty good day. No, really, we don't have to GIVE thanks to anyone. Just... appreciate it. It's nice, y'know?"
 
2012-08-29 09:47:52 PM
Finally they are respecting all the religions.
 
2012-08-29 09:48:23 PM
I'm sure it's for his own protection...
 
2012-08-29 09:49:50 PM
why do atheists get Christians so worked up? who the hell cares about atheists anyways?
 
2012-08-29 09:50:35 PM

GAT_00: 2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?

I'd do it. I'd just stand there for a minute not saying anything. Butthurt Christians would explode in anger.


that only works if you're wearing full on gay pride gear.
 
2012-08-29 09:50:55 PM
You can't shoot an arrow in Tulsa without it flying over at least three churches.

Chic-Fil-A day pretty much shut down traffic for miles around each store. I believe it to be the most over-churched city in the world. And then there's the City of Faith, built by Oral Roberts. He pretty much wrote the business plan for prosperity gospel, and the rest is history.
 
2012-08-29 09:51:42 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


What the hell's a "diety?"
 
2012-08-29 09:52:21 PM
 
2012-08-29 09:52:59 PM
"As though religion was somehow less violent?' He said.
 
2012-08-29 09:54:52 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Inb4 Le Troll


*in comes the spider*
 
2012-08-29 09:54:59 PM

whidbey: I'm sure it's for his own protection...


Probably is. If you start talking about science in Oklahoma they start thinking about lynching people.
 
2012-08-29 09:55:10 PM

Dreamless: 2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?

What the hell's a "diety?"


A careful selection of different types of food for nutritional planning, to help lose weight, maintain a weight or built up weight and muscle when combined with exercise. Although what it has to do with religion is beyond me.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:45 PM

Coco LaFemme: I think my head just assploded. An atheist is giving a prayer? Isn't that like a macrobiotic vegan chomping down on a Porterhouse?


Not really. Nonreligious doesn't always mean anti-religious; we're not all self-righteous douchebags like Dawkins.

Gonz: "Hey, let's be thankful that things worked out and we had a pretty good day. No, really, we don't have to GIVE thanks to anyone. Just... appreciate it. It's nice, y'know?"


That said, this also works.
 
pla
2012-08-29 10:02:41 PM
Weaver95 : why do atheists get Christians so worked up? who the hell cares about atheists anyways?

Because members of almost any religion honestly can't grasp that someone without the fear-o'-god can possibly restrain themselves from going around raping and killing just for the fun of it.

Think about that for a minute - They really can't believe that an atheist can possibly act morally and ethically. Now flip that around... In the absence of a nanny-god, these people (believe they) lack the self-control to resist going full-out Pedobear!

/ And we wonder why we hear about so many "bad" priests...
 
2012-08-29 10:03:32 PM
That's an oxymoronic thing to do. All in the name of equality I suppose. Too bad it's just another nail in the coffin of this once great country. Lord come quickly!

Equality will be the death of this country.
 
2012-08-29 10:03:58 PM
It's presumably not a prayer he's offering. There's no reason why he couldn't ask council members to pause to reflect on their responsibility to their constituents to prioritise community needs ahead of self-interest or ego trippy pet projects, to work together for the greater good rather than indulge in political sniping, and to set a positive example for their community in their dealings. It couldn't hurt. It certainly wouldn't be any more or less appropriate than a prayer in any religion. The effect will be precisely the same.

We all know that the council will then get on with a couple of hours of petty squabbling and reflecting community tensions, while keeping an eye out for gravy trains to jump on. So business as usual, really.
 
dp3
2012-08-29 10:04:40 PM
2xhelix:What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?

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2012-08-29 10:06:13 PM

GGracie: I've been to Tulsa. It is a religious zealot freak show. I hope they call in the National Guard to hold those freakish assbackwards loons in chains until it is over. Bet yet, nuke it from space... it's the only way to be sure.


I live in Tulsa. I'm not religious or fat. The people that surround me in my life are normal, understanding, and overall loving people. The small businesses I support are part of a wonderful community. The night life that I find is filled with normal people. Yeah Oklahoma sucks. But making fun of it is like making fun of the retarded kid on the playground. It's not funny and you should feel ashamed.

Also I work for this news station in the article.

/not subby
 
2012-08-29 10:10:47 PM
+1 points to the council chair - "No one's going to change my mind about my religious beliefs based on what they say in an invocation, but there are things I could learn from all sorts of different religions," said Councilor Bynum.

If the more deeply religious folks could adopt this attitude, I think a good deal of strife might be avoided. Props to him for at least being willing to hear something that he might not agree with.
 
2012-08-29 10:11:26 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


Posiedon
 
2012-08-29 10:11:30 PM
www.bc.edu
 
2012-08-29 10:12:22 PM

pla: Weaver95 : why do atheists get Christians so worked up? who the hell cares about atheists anyways?

Because members of almost any religion honestly can't grasp that someone without the fear-o'-god can possibly restrain themselves from going around raping and killing just for the fun of it.

Think about that for a minute - They really can't believe that an atheist can possibly act morally and ethically. Now flip that around... In the absence of a nanny-god, these people (believe they) lack the self-control to resist going full-out Pedobear!

/ And we wonder why we hear about so many "bad" priests...


f*ck it. i'm sticking with the pagans. at least I know they can cook. most atheists i've met look like they've never even seen the inside of a kitchen, let alone how to use one. pagans tho...they can COOK!
 
2012-08-29 10:14:03 PM

Weaver95: why do atheists get Christians so worked up? who the hell cares about atheists anyways?


Apparently butt hurt Christians.

They apparently can't process the thought that the sky wizard might not exist. Anyone reminding them of that must be converted or destroyed.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:14 PM
Growing up in Broken Arrow was fun, and I even attended ORU. Having an Athiest invoke nothing at a city council meeting is a zero sum exercise in equal time for religious observance of a faith. Faith in an absence of any god is still faith. Serves the Rusty Buckle of the cum stained Bible Belt well. The level of religious bondage there is matched only by their Hipocracy.

The few folks that have real faith in that area, could not care less who invokes what at any government meeting. It should not have any effect on the meeting at all because Church is separate from State. Amirite?
 
2012-08-29 10:14:28 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: 2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?

I'd do it. I'd just stand there for a minute not saying anything. Butthurt Christians would explode in anger.

that only works if you're wearing full on gay pride gear.


"Dear nobody, thanks for nothing...."
 
2012-08-29 10:15:10 PM

trappedspirit: Finally they are respecting all the religions.


For you, I give a "funny."
 
2012-08-29 10:18:04 PM

Branbot: GGracie: I've been to Tulsa. It is a religious zealot freak show. I hope they call in the National Guard to hold those freakish assbackwards loons in chains until it is over. Bet yet, nuke it from space... it's the only way to be sure.

I live in Tulsa. I'm not religious or fat. The people that surround me in my life are normal, understanding, and overall loving people. The small businesses I support are part of a wonderful community. The night life that I find is filled with normal people. Yeah Oklahoma sucks. But making fun of it is like making fun of the retarded kid on the playground. It's not funny and you should feel ashamed.

Also I work for this news station in the article.

So Oklahoma is like a retarded child?

/not subby

 
2012-08-29 10:20:16 PM

2xhelix: What diety is an athiest supposed to invoke?


This makes me thirsty for an Icee... as in:

Icee what you did there.
 
2012-08-29 10:22:00 PM
By assuming the roles of traditional religious figures aetheists are becoming the very thing they argue against.
 
2012-08-29 10:22:06 PM

Branbot: The small businesses I support are part of a wonderful community.


That gives Republicans power.

If you do not like the respect your conduct has earned you, conduct yourself differently.
 
2012-08-29 10:26:19 PM
Religion is stoopit. Makes people way too crazie.
 
2012-08-29 10:28:39 PM
The Prayer Tower is in Tulsa. It concentrates the derp.
 
2012-08-29 10:28:51 PM

chuggernaught: By assuming the roles of traditional religious figures aetheists are becoming the very thing they argue against.


No they aren't.

They haven't had thousands of years of the bully pulpit every Sunday/Saturday/Friday/whatever to spew their garbage in modern American mind?

Yes, they have.

Think outside your religion, humans.

They own you.

Be unowned.

Word.

;)
 
2012-08-29 10:30:34 PM
Either everyone gets a chance or no one at all. Nerren says atheists like him favored the later, but his invocation and those that will follow are a compromise.

I tend to prefer the latter simply because groups give superficial attempts to the former. I recognize Christians form the vast majority of this country, but efforts need to be made to introduce other groups into such activities. For one, this is good for the community to feel inclusive. Second, listening to people you do not agree with but have no animosity towards is a healthy social practice. Third, you owe this to your citizens which you purport to represent. And finally, there is plenty to be gleaned both culturally and philosophically from involving others which I believe would be interesting.
 
2012-08-29 10:30:39 PM
What would an athiest say? Here's a clue from http://www.sheilacordelliahicks.com/invocations.htm

"What is an Invocation?

Simply put an invocation is a public request for: guidance, good will, luck, power, good wishes, help, substance,guidance, implementation, good things, and any other manner of public announcement.

Invocations can be at the opening of a meeting, business, retreat, ceremony, graduation,sporting event,award ceremonies, banquet dinners, fundraiser anywhere an observed beginning is needed.

Invocation is not a synonym for religious prayer. Invocations in the Humanist sense are an inclusive way of bringing a diverse group of people together during a common event. "
 
2012-08-29 10:31:25 PM
Roger Zelazny did a very nice agnostic prayer:

"Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen."
 
2012-08-29 10:32:46 PM
Um... summon Bevets?
 
2012-08-29 10:33:42 PM

Branbot: GGracie: I've been to Tulsa. It is a religious zealot freak show. I hope they call in the National Guard to hold those freakish assbackwards loons in chains until it is over. Bet yet, nuke it from space... it's the only way to be sure.

I live in Tulsa. I'm not religious or fat. The people that surround me in my life are normal, understanding, and overall loving people. The small businesses I support are part of a wonderful community. The night life that I find is filled with normal people. Yeah Oklahoma sucks. But making fun of it is like making fun of the retarded kid on the playground. It's not funny and you should feel ashamed.

Also I work for this news station in the article.

/not subby


Haters got to hate, Branbot. Pick a state and there will be a jackass talking dirt about it whether or not they've been there or know of what they speak. State lines and other territorial markers are part of big brothers divide and conquer control. Keep the idiot masses busy biatching that theirs is better than yours, be it a state, school, football team, whatever. A good school teacher once told me after I complained about someone making fun of me: "consider the source".

I left Oklahoma drivin' in a Pontiac
Just about to lose my mind
I was goin' on to Arizona, maybe on to California
Where all the people live so fine
My baby said I was crazy, my momma called me lazy
I was goin' to show 'em all this time
'Cause you know I ain't no fool an' I don't need no more schoolin'
I was born to just walk the line

Livin' on Tulsa time
Livin' on Tulsa time
Well you know I've been through it
When I set my watch back to it
Livin' on Tulsa time

Well there I was in Hollywood wishin' I was doin' good
Talkin' on the telephone line
But they don't need me in the movies and nobody sings my songs
Guess I'm just wastin' time
Well then I got to thinkin', man I'm really sinkin'
And I really had a flash this time
I had no business leavin' and nobody would be grievin'
If I went on back to Tulsa time

Livin' on Tulsa time
Livin' on Tulsa time
Gonna set my watch back to it
Cause you know I've been through it
Livin' on Tulsa time
 
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