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2012-08-29 08:05:08 PM  
CSB time:

A few years ago a little sandwich shop near my place got bought up by a family newly arrived from India. I had been a regular there for a while and continued to be after they converted the place to an indian take-out. As you would expect, I got to know them a bit and they seemed like a great family: Father and his brother were both engineers by training, the mother was an amazing cook and mostly ran the place, and the daughter was a bit of a ditz but really just a typical teenager.

Then one day last year, I walk into the place and they've covered everything with swastikas. Now I know the difference between the buddhist swastika and the german one, and these were all the buddhist kind - except for the enormous Nazi flag on the wall behind the cash register. So I asked the guy about it, and he explains the buddhist symbolism. Then I explain why that one is different, and why he really wants to take it down right now. 

They guy was just dumbstruck. He had never heard of Hitler or the Nazis, was only vaguely aware of WWII and had no idea which side we fought on. Had never heard of the holocaust either. I asked him where he even got it from, Nazi flags not being something you can generally pick up at WalMart, and he said he got it off the internet - for free no less. Probably off a white supremacist website.

/end CSB
 
2012-08-29 08:05:41 PM  
Hey, even the Germans have denounced Hilter:
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-29 08:18:49 PM  

Xenomech: What did Hitler do that was so bad anyway?


He ruined the square moustache. It's probably the worst thing he's ever done.
 
2012-08-29 08:20:27 PM  
All this and his excuse is that he did nazi it coming?

Seriously, how can you not know about Hitler? It's like not knowing about Mao or Pol Pot.
 
2012-08-29 08:22:02 PM  

Ghastly: I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 341x450]


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 443x599]


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?


Well, for a start I'm not aware that Che Guevara not only killed about 10 million people, but in fact had a plan to eliminate one ethnicity from the earth almost completely. Perhaps you can help me with those things.
 
2012-08-29 08:27:07 PM  

clevershark: All this and his excuse is that he did nazi it coming?

Seriously, how can you not know about Hitler? It's like not knowing about Mao or Pol Pot.



Who?
 
2012-08-29 08:29:17 PM  
t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-29 08:43:00 PM  
Hey, Hitler, how high does the grass grow in Germany?
i1245.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-29 08:43:49 PM  
Idiot. With this brand name he should be specializing in furnitures. Really, he should be selling chairs, pretty kampfy chairs.
 
2012-08-29 08:46:17 PM  
He's misunderstood, 'das all.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-29 08:58:08 PM  
i.imgur.com

I'd love a Ghandi t-shirt.
 
2012-08-29 09:04:27 PM  

Canned Tamales: super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....


"I do not want to see the allies defeated. But I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed."

Mohandas Gandhi, May 1940
 
2012-08-29 09:09:18 PM  

LineNoise: suit


NO SUIT FOR YOU!!!

img96.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-29 09:19:11 PM  

clevershark: Ghastly: I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 341x450]


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 443x599]


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?

Well, for a start I'm not aware that Che Guevara not only killed about 10 million people, but in fact had a plan to eliminate one ethnicity from the earth almost completely. Perhaps you can help me with those things.


Plus, Guevara wasn't the leader of a military force capable of taking on entire continents, much less Chancellor of a large nation. Yes, Guevara killed a lot of people, including his own officers; but he's not quite in Hitler's league either in his kill-ratio or his ideology.

Trying to make fine distinctions between various killers is, however, an exercise in futility. Was Pol Pot better or worse than Stalin and if so why? Answer in 25 words or less. I mean, really.
 
2012-08-29 09:29:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Was Pol Pot better or worse than Stalin and if so why? Answer in 25 words or less. I mean, really.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-29 09:32:33 PM  

BigNumber12: Shah insisted that until the store opened he did not know who Adolf Hitler was and that Hitler was a nickname given to the grandfather of his store partner because "he was very strict".

"I didn't know how much the name would disturb people," he told AFP by telephone from Ahmedabad. "It was only when the store opened I learnt Hitler had killed six million people."


Looks like you've got a bit more reading to do...


I think he knows who Hitler was, he's just a moron trying to get some free publicity and money
 
2012-08-29 09:35:05 PM  

give me doughnuts: peterthx: /now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.

Isn't that every empire that existed anywhere on the planet?


How many empires inspired toga parties though?
 
2012-08-29 09:38:45 PM  

Canned Tamales: sorry, again, no "citations". Just a lifetime of not being a blind dipshiat.


Just a regular dipshiat then...who sees and hears what he wants to, facts be damned.
 
2012-08-29 09:39:32 PM  

Silly Jesus: This point made up-thread bears repeating...

Why is this ok?....


Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?


Good point.
Remember; as long as you kill less people than Ghengis Khan....it's cool
 
2012-08-29 09:42:40 PM  

peterthx: Silly Jesus: This point made up-thread bears repeating...

Why is this ok?....
[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

How about the fact that nobody even knows anyone who was living during that time?

That tends to happen after several centuries.

There's still plenty of people around that may not have been alive during WWII but have had close relatives that were.

/now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.


Just had dinner with a lovely gentleman and his wife who lived through Therezin. Their stories would break your heart, you smug little prick.
 
2012-08-29 09:42:42 PM  

Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: Was Pol Pot better or worse than Stalin and if so why? Answer in 25 words or less. I mean, really.

[t0.gstatic.com image 262x192]


Me likee.
;)
 
2012-08-29 09:53:52 PM  

bizzwire:
Just had dinner with a lovely gentleman and his wife who lived through Therezin. Their stories would break your heart, you smug little prick.


Sarcasm, you missed it by a mile.

/thanks for making my point for me though
 
2012-08-29 09:58:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: clevershark: Ghastly: I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 341x450]


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 443x599]


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?

Well, for a start I'm not aware that Che Guevara not only killed about 10 million people, but in fact had a plan to eliminate one ethnicity from the earth almost completely. Perhaps you can help me with those things.

Plus, Guevara wasn't the leader of a military force capable of taking on entire continents, much less Chancellor of a large nation. Yes, Guevara killed a lot of people, including his own officers; but he's not quite in Hitler's league either in his kill-ratio or his ideology.


Basically the difference between Che and Hitler boils down to as outlined above, means and targets. If Che had the military might to have been as big a killer as Hitler I have no doubt that he would have been.

Also most of the people Hitler killed were white, most of the people Che killed were brown (both facts somewhat ironic considering their individual ideologies.) So its not surprising that in the white dominated parts of the world where there is a decent chance somone either knows or is related to somone who had to fight and/or die against the Nazis Hitler is more reviled.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:04 PM  

Greymalkin: Basically the difference between Che and Hitler boils down to as outlined above, means and targets. If Che had the military might to have been as big a killer as Hitler I have no doubt that he would have been.

Also most of the people Hitler killed were white, most of the people Che killed were brown (both facts somewhat ironic considering their individual ideologies.) So its not surprising that in the white dominated parts of the world where there is a decent chance somone either knows or is related to somone who had to fight and/or die against the Nazis Hitler is more reviled.


Another difference is Che personally murdered his political enemies while Hitler had others do the dirty work.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:56 PM  
Heil Hipster.

/don't mention the war
 
2012-08-29 10:16:39 PM  
www.republicofcode.com
 
2012-08-29 10:26:07 PM  
To be honest I can believe it. I grew up in India and I didn't know who he was until I moved to the US. The name may have sounded familiar but I wouldn't have been able to tell you more than that. WWII wasn't mentioned at all really - the Indian independence movement was in full swing then and that's what was mainly taught. The main fighting which was mentioned were the Indians who fought against the British (on the side of the Japanese).

I'm sure it would have been mentioned eventually if I had stayed longer but the name just doesn't mean what it does over there.

I am not defending him because he may very well have known, but depending on his education, it's at least plausible that he's telling the truth. Not an excuse anymore mind you - now that he knows, he should apologize immediately and change it.
 
2012-08-29 10:28:55 PM  

peterthx: bizzwire:
Just had dinner with a lovely gentleman and his wife who lived through Therezin. Their stories would break your heart, you smug little prick.

Sarcasm, you missed it by a mile.

/thanks for making my point for me though


Sorry...my Sacasmotron2000 has been a little off-kilter.

/climbing off high horse
 
2012-08-29 10:49:09 PM  

bizzwire: Sorry...my Sacasmotron2000 has been a little off-kilter.

/climbing off high horse


No problem :-)
Took a course on the Holocaust in High School. Nothing more chilling than the stories told by living survivors. Nothing more enraging than encountering those who try to minimize or deny what happened.
 
2012-08-29 10:49:40 PM  
Born in India came stateside 2003.

Know exactly why it's not shocking. But people are fonna get all sensitive so ima shutting up.
 
2012-08-29 10:54:30 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.


And yet Mongolians love him. Chinggis Khaan [Genghis Khan] is revered as a hero in Mongolia. Their one international airport they renamed in 2005 to "Chinggis Khaan International Airport" in his honor.

But then again, Mongolians are also surprisingly fond of Hitler, so go figure.

As an aside, Explaining Hitler looks pretty interesting.
 
2012-08-29 11:04:23 PM  

ciberido: TheDirtyNacho: Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

And yet Mongolians love him. Chinggis Khaan [Genghis Khan] is revered as a hero in Mongolia. Their one international airport they renamed in 2005 to "Chinggis Khaan International Airport" in his honor.

But then again, Mongolians are also surprisingly fond of Hitler, so go figure.

As an aside, Explaining Hitler looks pretty interesting.


It's funny how history works. Depending on who writes what and when... over the centuries Khan went from being a conquering marauder to an emblem of heroic strength. I wonder what those Mongols think happened when he "conquered the world"

I don't think that will happen with Hitler though. Technology helps ensure that the texts and content of the era are preserved such that rewriting Hitler's legacy into a story like Khans would seem unlikely.
 
2012-08-29 11:15:28 PM  
Anybody who can find some equivalence between Uncle A and Che in earnest is institution-worthy or world-class ignorant. Inclusive or.

The Khmer Rouge were nutty kids. They may have been made nutty by having a WWII-load of bombs dropped on their little country by Sam just prior. They had very little serious ideology.

Stalin (see Khrushchev's repudiation) was a prick, but the Kulaks could have capitulated to collectivization and ended the famine. The purges happened because Stalin had a rational, though over-expressed, need to purge fifth-columnists prior to the pending NAZI invasion. In the case of the purge of the officers, he was tricked by German intelligence. Stalin slept at night, because he knew in the end that he met the responsibility of freeing Europe from Uncle A.

Oh, and Hitler was out to purge more than one ethnicity, by the numbers he did a better job on the Roma than the Jews, the cowardly dreck-lump.
 
2012-08-29 11:16:55 PM  

postnobills: CSB time:

A few years ago a little sandwich shop near my place got bought up by a family newly arrived from India. I had been a regular there for a while and continued to be after they converted the place to an indian take-out. As you would expect, I got to know them a bit and they seemed like a great family: Father and his brother were both engineers by training, the mother was an amazing cook and mostly ran the place, and the daughter was a bit of a ditz but really just a typical teenager.

Then one day last year, I walk into the place and they've covered everything with swastikas. Now I know the difference between the buddhist swastika and the german one, and these were all the buddhist kind - except for the enormous Nazi flag on the wall behind the cash register. So I asked the guy about it, and he explains the buddhist symbolism. Then I explain why that one is different, and why he really wants to take it down right now. 

They guy was just dumbstruck. He had never heard of Hitler or the Nazis, was only vaguely aware of WWII and had no idea which side we fought on. Had never heard of the holocaust either. I asked him where he even got it from, Nazi flags not being something you can generally pick up at WalMart, and he said he got it off the internet - for free no less. Probably off a white supremacist website.

/end CSB


India fought in WWII as part of the British as it was not yet independent. While a sizable number of Indians did participate, it was not a great part of the entire population and certainly didn't really touch the rural areas where most lived. It was not an entire nation at war kind of thing that leads to long memories and yearly history lessons. Also at the same time was the independence movement, which had a far greater impact on the country than Hitler did.
 
2012-08-29 11:34:58 PM  

peterthx: Greymalkin: Basically the difference between Che and Hitler boils down to as outlined above, means and targets. If Che had the military might to have been as big a killer as Hitler I have no doubt that he would have been.

Also most of the people Hitler killed were white, most of the people Che killed were brown (both facts somewhat ironic considering their individual ideologies.) So its not surprising that in the white dominated parts of the world where there is a decent chance somone either knows or is related to somone who had to fight and/or die against the Nazis Hitler is more reviled.

Another difference is Che personally murdered his political enemies while Hitler had others do the dirty work.


Both good points. Guevara is not widely loved in Bolivia, I would guess.
 
2012-08-29 11:39:55 PM  
The Khmer Rouge were frighteningly efficient at killing people. It only took them about 2 years to wipe out a quarter of the population. Even Mao was jealous, even though he's the all-time leader in terms of sheer numbers (70+ million).
 
2012-08-29 11:49:01 PM  
strongbeerrules
Xenomech: What did Hitler do that was so bad anyway?
He was a teetotaling non-smoking vegetarian. You can't trust those people.

For the record, I believe he was a speedfreak.

/Not that he was pure evil, more the embodiment of banal evil always there that went horribly wrong.
 
2012-08-29 11:51:25 PM  

clevershark: The Khmer Rouge were frighteningly efficient at killing people. It only took them about 2 years to wipe out a quarter of the population. Even Mao was jealous, even though he's the all-time leader in terms of sheer numbers (70+ million).


Some of Mao's killing wasn't done with intent...just stupidity. The Great Leap Forward wasn't INTENDED to kill large numbers of people, but the resulting famines guaranteed that lots of people would die. The same cannot be said, of course, for the Cultural Revolution; and killing people because nobody in your Central Committee will say "Uh, you know, Chairman, if everyone is making steel, who will grow the food?" is not any better for the dead people.

The Khmer Rouge meant to kill every single person who died in the killing fields, and they would have been happier if there had been a whole lot more.
 
2012-08-29 11:57:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Some of Mao's killing wasn't done with intent...just stupidity.


True, but Mao truly gave no shiats about how many people died of his actions.

Hell, he wanted to kick-start a nuclear war by nuking Taiwan, drawing the United States into retaliation, because he felt that even if half of China's population died tomorrow they could just make more.

That sort of depraved indifference isn't substantially different from intent in my view. If I decide to bomb some house one day I may not be specifically intending to kill the people inside, but I know that if I go ahead the people inside will die. I am no less culpable. That's why I don't buy the "collateral damage" bullshiat that everyone seems to accept so readily.
 
2012-08-29 11:59:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The Khmer Rouge meant to kill every single person who died in the killing fields, and they would have been happier if there had been a whole lot more.


Actually, again the Khmer Rouge didn't go out and shoot/torture everyone (although they're probably record-setters in that). Most people who died under their regime died of exposure, malnutrition, simple diseases and exhaustion while working on Pol Pot's pet projects in countryside.
 
2012-08-29 11:59:19 PM  
Fame is what he wanted so lets deny his wish. From how on we should call him Sideshow Hitler.
 
2012-08-30 12:09:51 AM  

bizzwire: peterthx: Silly Jesus: This point made up-thread bears repeating...

Why is this ok?....
[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

How about the fact that nobody even knows anyone who was living during that time?

That tends to happen after several centuries.

There's still plenty of people around that may not have been alive during WWII but have had close relatives that were.

/now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.

Just had dinner with a lovely gentleman and his wife who lived through Therezin. Their stories would break your heart, you smug little prick.


I watched the PBS documentary on Kurt Gerron. What a sad story. Jeebus.
 
Oak
2012-08-30 12:42:04 AM  
I still don't like the sound of these here boncentration bamps.
 
2012-08-30 12:43:38 AM  
"Yes MEIN FUHRER! hahaha, I mean, mein dicky old chum!"
 
2012-08-30 12:45:18 AM  

GoldDude: Maybe he could rename the store "Hilter", yes??


Not much fun in Ahmedabad, either.
 
2012-08-30 01:12:35 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Branbot: Isn't the backwards swastika a sign of peace and prosperity in India?

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 520x549]


100% wrong but I guess it makes people feel better to think the nazi Swastika is different then what the Buddhist..etc use.
 
2012-08-30 01:33:30 AM  
www.fuhrer-gartenbau.ch
 
2012-08-30 01:36:51 AM  

clevershark: Gyrfalcon: The Khmer Rouge meant to kill every single person who died in the killing fields, and they would have been happier if there had been a whole lot more.

Actually, again the Khmer Rouge didn't go out and shoot/torture everyone (although they're probably record-setters in that). Most people who died under their regime died of exposure, malnutrition, simple diseases and exhaustion while working on Pol Pot's pet projects in countryside.


Pol Pot got his ideas, as far as I can tell, from Stalin's Gulags. Collect all your "dissidents", put them to work in remote places on impossible tasks, and feed them water and dough (the Gulag) or grass (the Khmer Rouge), and you don't need to torture and kill anyone. They will die almost faster than they can be replaced. Starving people slowly to death is probably crueler than just lining them up against the wall and shooting them. The Khmer Rouge, like Stalin, definitely intended that everyone in the camps die as quickly as possible, having gotten as much work out of them as you can get out of dying bodies.
 
2012-08-30 02:19:58 AM  
Who cares? Now if it was the Hitler Bakery or Hitler Gas Works then I could see it being maybe a tad offensive. Israel needs to clean the sand out of its vagina.
 
2012-08-30 02:57:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Was Pol Pot better or worse than Stalin and if so why?


Are you asking Pol Pot, hot or not?
 
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