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2012-08-29 06:28:22 PM  

super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?


I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....
 
2012-08-29 06:30:00 PM  
Oy! Vey! Grammar Nazis have attacked the Hitler thread!

Bidness Man writes: "My colleagues and I were astounded to learn that "learnt" is an acceptable British variation of "learned," to express past learning.

Apparently Indians follow the British rules rather than the American rules for some reason. (Oh, yeah. The Empire. Now I remember). As does, well, pretty much the whole English-speaking world except people too lazy to switch their spell checker from US English to UK or other Englishes. God only knows what spell-checkers do in India: most likely, explode.

Personally I probably switch back and forth between UK and British usage according to whim, taste, or context. Although "I learnt" sounds wrong or at least wrongish, I do use some British usages when I prefer them or they sound "right".

I'd like to give Noah Webster a boot to the head. Spelling reformers piss me off. There's no way we want people to write the way they speak. Remember how some of them speak. There's no reason for them to be incomprehensible in writing as well as when they speak.

http://www.jwatsonassociates.com/newsletter/jwa_121.htm
 
2012-08-29 06:32:53 PM  

Canned Tamales: super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....


[citation needed]
 
2012-08-29 06:34:38 PM  

Atan: So others have used the term out of ignorance too. I fail to see your point.



That you're nitpicking my grammar rather than addressing my idea, and being something of a douche about it.
 
2012-08-29 06:35:44 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: "People use such names mostly out of ignorance," Israel's Mumbai Consul General Orna Sagiv told AFP.

Then other times they call Palestinians "Arabs" to advance their own goals of military and political violence.


Oh please. They're "Palestinians" the same way I'm a "Californian".
 
2012-08-29 06:36:10 PM  

BigNumber12: TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.


It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:
[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.


That's a farking great point.


And one of the most interesting wikipedia pages I've read recently.....fark, man, China makes the rest of the rest of the world look like farking amateurs at that whole mass war and genocide thing, even Russia can't keep up. They go through 50-100 million almost every century or so...
 
2012-08-29 06:37:53 PM  

BigNumber12: Atan: So others have used the term out of ignorance too. I fail to see your point.


That you're nitpicking my grammar rather than addressing my idea, and being something of a douche about it.


BigNumber12: Atan: So others have used the term out of ignorance too. I fail to see your point.


That you're nitpicking my grammar rather than addressing my idea, and being something of a douche about it.



Let's not go and start World War II over this.
 
2012-08-29 06:38:10 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.


It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:
[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.


Too soon?
 
2012-08-29 06:38:42 PM  
I submitted it with a funnier headline, but I did nazi it posted.
 
2012-08-29 06:38:42 PM  

chuckufarlie: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

Indian troops fought in Europe. I have a hard time believing that he did not know. That swastika dotting the letter "I" gives it away, don't ya think?

He's lying like a rug.


I don't know. The ignorance of Indians seems to match that of Americans. I met a lower-level political staffer of the Congress Party who told me that the reason why the US was in decline was because the majority of Americans were black.
 
2012-08-29 06:38:57 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: "People use such names mostly out of ignorance," Israel's Mumbai Consul General Orna Sagiv told AFP.

Then other times they call Palestinians "Arabs" to advance their own goals of military and political violence.


Palestinians are 90% ethnic Arab. Almost exactly as Arabic as Saudi Arabians.
 
2012-08-29 06:39:27 PM  
"He got the idea from a family nickname ...."

They've got an Auntie Hitler, too?
 
2012-08-29 06:39:58 PM  

Silly Jesus: This point made up-thread bears repeating...

Why is this ok?....
[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?


Uh, yeah.....there are still living people all over the world who were either directly affected, or whose very recent ancestors were directly affected by the Nazis...the gates in front of the death camps haven't even rusted away yet. Not too hard to figure out the difference in outrage, jeenyus.
 
2012-08-29 06:40:02 PM  
6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!
 
2012-08-29 06:42:10 PM  

HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!



Which merits caps?
 
2012-08-29 06:44:49 PM  

I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt


1.bp.blogspot.com


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

3.bp.blogspot.com


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?
 
2012-08-29 06:46:14 PM  

Zulfikar: chuckufarlie: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

Indian troops fought in Europe. I have a hard time believing that he did not know. That swastika dotting the letter "I" gives it away, don't ya think?

He's lying like a rug.

I don't know. The ignorance of Indians seems to match that of Americans. I met a lower-level political staffer of the Congress Party who told me that the reason why the US was in decline was because the majority of Americans were black.


That's something that I love about the sub-continentals I've met: their hilarious combination of incurious ignorance and brain-defying racism. A Pakistani co-worker (one that had gone to school at McGill, the big university in Montreal) once introduced himself apologetically as "incredibly racist." Chill dude though, once you got over all the jokes about black people.
 
2012-08-29 06:46:53 PM  

Xenomech: What did Hitler do that was so bad anyway?


He was a teetotaling non-smoking vegetarian. You can't trust those people.
 
2012-08-29 06:47:46 PM  
Clothing store in India?

Call it "Cotton Gandhi".
 
2012-08-29 06:48:47 PM  

Ghastly: I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 341x450]


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 443x599]


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?



It isn't whether you offend, but WHO you offend that counts.


/Bew Hew
 
2012-08-29 06:48:59 PM  

a lion in a sidecar: BigNumber12: Atan: So others have used the term out of ignorance too. I fail to see your point.


That you're nitpicking my grammar rather than addressing my idea, and being something of a douche about it.

BigNumber12: Atan: So others have used the term out of ignorance too. I fail to see your point.


That you're nitpicking my grammar rather than addressing my idea, and being something of a douche about it.


Let's not go and start World War II over this.


I'm confused - is fighting allowed in a War Thread?
 
2012-08-29 06:50:23 PM  

chuckufarlie: Does he sell used clothes from Poland?



If he does he'd better fumigate them first.
 
2012-08-29 06:54:32 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: peterthx: Silly Jesus: This point made up-thread bears repeating...

Why is this ok?....
[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

How about the fact that nobody even knows anyone who was living during that time?

That tends to happen after several centuries.

There's still plenty of people around that may not have been alive during WWII but have had close relatives that were.

/now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.

Ask a Korean about the Hill of Ears. Then ask a Japanese about the Hill of Ears. That happened several hundred years ago.


Interesting point (seriously, that was a really interesting page)...but still not quite the same thing. Now if a third party had opened up a "Hill of Noses Tonsorial Parlor & Souvenir Shoppe" while plenty of surivivors were still around and near, I'm sure he could have expected some backlash....

...love your handle, BTW.
 
2012-08-29 06:55:26 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: The owner of an Indian clothing store said Wednesday that he would only change its name from "Hitler" if he was compensated for re-branding costs, amid a growing row over the new shop.

The outlet, which sells Western men's wear, opened 10 days ago in Ahmedabad city in the western state of Gujarat with "Hitler" written in big letters over the front and with a Nazi swastika as the dot on the "i".

"I will change it (the name) if people want to compensate me for the money we have spent -- the logo, the hoarding, the business cards, the brand," Rajesh Shah told AFP.


Nope... tell you what... Why don't you just leave it alone? You're obviously too ignorant to understand the ramifications of your actions, so why should you have to deal with the consequences of that ignorance? I'm sure that if you continue on with this venture, people will eventually understand. After all, why should a businessman have to pay to correct his own incredibly stupid mistake?



Just leave it like it is. His customers will vote with their dollars

/Or rupees, as it were
 
2012-08-29 06:56:01 PM  
"I will change it (the name) if people want to compensate me for the money we have spent -- the logo, the hoarding, the business cards, the brand," Rajesh Shah told AFP."

I have a feeling people will just keep their money and this issue will take care of itself.
 
2012-08-29 06:56:05 PM  

Medic Zero: TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.


It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:
[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

Too soon?


No, first we have to have a "discussion" about how more atheists killed people than Christians.
 
2012-08-29 06:56:11 PM  
FTFA: The owner of an Indian clothing store said Wednesday that he would only change its name from "Hitler" if he was compensated for re-branding costs, amid a growing row over the new shop.

The outlet, which sells Western men's wear, opened 10 days ago in Ahmedabad city in the western state of Gujarat with "Hitler" written in big letters over the front and with a Nazi swastika as the dot on the "i".

"I will change it (the name) if people want to compensate me for the money we have spent -- the logo, the hoarding, the business cards, the brand," Rajesh Shah told AFP.


laist.com

Nods at your trolling-for-fun-and-profit plan.
 
2012-08-29 06:59:02 PM  

Rip Dashrock: I have no idea why there are U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
Other than the poppy trade.



You don't know why U.S. troops are still in Afghanistan, or why they ever went their in the first place? Most Afghans fall solidly into that second category, and they literally don't know why.
 
2012-08-29 07:00:44 PM  
This place is the only place I can find that sells Pol Pottery.
 
2012-08-29 07:03:37 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

IT"S NOT HITLER IT"S HISTER!!!!!!

static.bbc.co.uk 


AARGH EEGAL A SHEEBAN
 
2012-08-29 07:06:18 PM  

peterthx: Canned Tamales: super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....

[citation needed]


I'm sorry, I can't "cite a reference" to my own personal experiences, dipshiat, excpet to recall that they happened.

The last time I heard somebody defend some of Hitler's far-right political ideals, the same conversation turned to modern American politics. The other person went off on how people "worshipped" Obama....to him, it really did seem like "worship", and of course, completely unreasonable and unearned. I pointed out that the same was very much true, if not moreso, about Reagan. He could not see the comparison at all, even though he had three Reagan posters/pictures in his office, yet was only in grade school when Reagan was in office, and couldn't tell me any hard facts about what Reagan had done to "earn" all the praise....

sorry, again, no "citations". Just a lifetime of not being a blind dipshiat.


.
 
2012-08-29 07:09:00 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.


www.movieactors.com

Wow.
 
2012-08-29 07:10:48 PM  
And the NAZI swastika was also just a coincidence.
 
2012-08-29 07:15:41 PM  

stuffy: And the NAZI swastika was also just a coincidence.


it's a product of the jew run society obviously
 
2012-08-29 07:15:47 PM  

TheDirtyNacho:
It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking.


Not so much that they were untouched by WWII culturally speaking but were untouched by WWII Germany. There are a lot of parts of Asia that still have a very negative view of Japan due to WWII. When I was in Singapore my guide practically spit in disgust any time the "J-word" came up.
 
2012-08-29 07:17:06 PM  

GoldDude: Maybe he could rename the store "Hilter", yes??
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 288x203]


How about the Fascist Cafe? Why would he want to go to Stalingrad?

/He's right you know.


/Best skit they ever ran.
 
2012-08-29 07:18:37 PM  

stuffy: And the NAZI swastika was also just a coincidence.


In all fairness the swastika does not mean the same thing in Asia as it does in the west. There it's still very much a symbol for luck and prosperity. When I was last in India I would shower with Swastika Brand soap.
 
2012-08-29 07:20:44 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.


It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:
[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.


More like naming your business after Hirohito, he is more recent, but yeah.
 
2012-08-29 07:24:24 PM  

Ghastly: I always find it weird that people will get outraged over wearing one mass murderer's image on a T-shirt

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 341x450]


But think it's cool and trendy to wear another mass murderer's image on a T-shirt.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 443x599]


What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?


It's the berret.
 
2012-08-29 07:25:14 PM  

Ghastly: What's the criteria for determining which mass murderers are fashion safe and which ones aren't?


The mustache
 
2012-08-29 07:27:31 PM  
Um,

I think I read this guy "didn't realize" he was ripping off the most reviled regime in history to date...

I call bullshiat.

He knew exactly what he was doing, e-peeps.

;)
 
2012-08-29 07:30:00 PM  

HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!


And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.
 
2012-08-29 07:31:20 PM  

peterthx: /now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.


Isn't that every empire that existed anywhere on the planet?
 
2012-08-29 07:33:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.



The teeth...

I can hear them gnashing from here.
 
2012-08-29 07:36:05 PM  
I know a guy whose last name is Hittler. His family was very clever by adding the extra 'T' so nobody would confuse them with HItler.
 
2012-08-29 07:39:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Branbot: Isn't the backwards swastika a sign of peace and prosperity in India?

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 520x549]


and the chinese symbol for "expensive" and "respected" is an asshole wearing a hat, buttoned shirt, sash, clean pants and shoes.
 
2012-08-29 07:47:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.


The teeth...

I can hear them gnashing from here.


Let them gnash. As long as I don't use any mean names, I'm safe.
 
2012-08-29 07:53:11 PM  
I usually shop at Himmlers anyways.
 
2012-08-29 07:58:24 PM  
So if he would change his business model from selling clothing to building highways it would be ok, right?

Or maybe he could open a Tata dealership. It's India's Volkswagen.
 
2012-08-29 08:01:21 PM  

give me doughnuts: peterthx: /now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.

Isn't that every empire that existed anywhere on the planet?


Yes.

P.S. Wow, it's you, the mythical gmd...*agape*
 
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