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2012-08-29 02:18:46 PM
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And not a moment too soon. Link
 
2012-08-29 02:32:50 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x332]

And not a moment too soon. Link


Hopefully not too late..
 
2012-08-29 04:35:53 PM
Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!
 
2012-08-29 04:48:02 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!



It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.
 
2012-08-29 04:49:48 PM

xynix: Hopefully not too late..


That's my problem with this. They filed in December and we finally get a ruling. Hopefully the League of Women Voters and the rest can get back up and running after being shuttered in Florida for so long.
 
2012-08-29 04:49:57 PM
Is there ANYTHING Rick Scott has done that hasn't been challenged in court? Does he have relatives who make a living off suing the State or something? Is he heavily invested in the ACLU?
 
2012-08-29 04:50:30 PM

mr.Curmudgeon: Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.


Funny ha ha or funny peculiar

or funny 'totally farking disgusting, how do we ever talk to anyone in the world using the word freedom with a straight face' ha ha, peculiar?
 
2012-08-29 04:51:51 PM
Hmmm... I wonder if Pennsylvania has any of these "federal judges"...
 
2012-08-29 04:52:04 PM

Tigger: mr.Curmudgeon: Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.

Funny ha ha or funny peculiar

or funny 'totally farking disgusting, how do we ever talk to anyone in the world using the word freedom with a straight face' ha ha, peculiar?


There's certainly no more freedom in America these days than in any other civilized country.
 
2012-08-29 04:53:37 PM
That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.
 
2012-08-29 04:53:51 PM
Stupid federal judges always supporting those damn beaners. They don't have the right to fark up my country!
 
2012-08-29 04:54:53 PM

Vindibudd: That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.



Ahh, the over-50-white-male-with-no-college-degree demographic pipes up!
 
2012-08-29 04:55:38 PM
It isn't about voter fraud it is about voter suppression.
 
2012-08-29 04:56:06 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


That should have been the headline.

I submit we change the headline. Anyone second? anyone

k
 
2012-08-29 04:56:22 PM

ghare: Is there ANYTHING Rick Scott has done that hasn't been challenged in court? Does he have relatives who make a living off suing the State or something? Is he heavily invested in the ACLU?


If Romney wins and stacks the supreme court with republicans you'll really see a shiat show about the abuse of the powers to check other branches.
 
2012-08-29 04:56:44 PM

ghare: Tigger: mr.Curmudgeon: Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.

Funny ha ha or funny peculiar

or funny 'totally farking disgusting, how do we ever talk to anyone in the world using the word freedom with a straight face' ha ha, peculiar?

There's certainly no more freedom in America these days than in any other civilized country.


Gini coefficient + percentage of incarcerated citizens - restrictions on money in politics = arguably less freedom
 
2012-08-29 04:56:53 PM

Vindibudd: That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.


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2012-08-29 04:56:58 PM
Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.
 
2012-08-29 04:57:02 PM
Nothing like those who are stupid enough to not have a valid ID being allowed to participate in the most important election of the era. Awesome.
 
2012-08-29 04:57:51 PM

Vindibudd: That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.


Do you happen to have anything of substance to contribute?
 
2012-08-29 04:57:57 PM
Republicans know that they can't win the Presidential election without Florida, so they are going to do anything they can to win there.
 
2012-08-29 04:59:25 PM

stewmadness: Nothing like those who are stupid enough to not have a valid ID being allowed to participate in the most important election of the era. Awesome.


What are your views on people who are too stupid to read the article before commenting?
 
2012-08-29 04:59:39 PM
encrypted-tbn1.google.com

WTF is this nut's problem?
 
2012-08-29 05:00:02 PM

vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.


Depends on state laws, but only a few have an outright ban on convicted felons. You can usually apply to have your voting privileges reinstated after a certain amount of time.

This doesn't stop Republican Secretaries of State in Florida from purging all felons, or people with the same name, or people with similar names, or people who live at similar addresses, from the voter rolls.
 
2012-08-29 05:00:16 PM

stewmadness: Nothing like those who are stupid enough to not have a valid ID being allowed to participate in the most important election of the era. Awesome.


I didn't realize you were the arbiter of voting rights. Oh wait, you're just another traitor who wants to stop people from voting because you disagree with them.
 
2012-08-29 05:00:58 PM

vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.


no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.
 
2012-08-29 05:04:17 PM

ghare: Vindibudd: That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.


Ahh, the over-50-white-male-with-no-college-degree demographic pipes up!


Vindibudd is probably fat as well.
 
2012-08-29 05:05:02 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


Sauce for the gander.
 
2012-08-29 05:05:23 PM

Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.


You think because they were convicted of a felony they should be removed of their constitutional right to vote? Even if they were busted for, say, felony drug distribution?

See how that works?

/is the img1.fark.net smoking cohibas in Miami?
 
2012-08-29 05:06:19 PM

stewmadness: Nothing like those who are stupid enough to not have a valid ID being allowed to participate in the most important election of the era. Awesome.


You are a disgusting human being.
 
2012-08-29 05:07:04 PM

Vindibudd: That article almost rises to Yahoo!'s standard of journalism, which to say, it is totally useless.


I'm sure you can spot 'useless' a mile away. What's "useless" about it, anyway? The restrictions were lifted, the story reported it, What more could you ask??
 
2012-08-29 05:08:25 PM

Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.


That's good. I thought they were banned for life, too, which has always botherd me since there are some stupid things that rank as "felonies". Besides, I see no real world justification for that right being taken away.
 
2012-08-29 05:08:36 PM
Also looks like Vermont lets you vote while you are locked up...
 
2012-08-29 05:10:25 PM
On to the other 4 or so swing states the Republicans have been pulling this shiat in...
 
2012-08-29 05:10:36 PM

Mikey1969: Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.

That's good. I thought they were banned for life, too, which has always botherd me since there are some stupid things that rank as "felonies". Besides, I see no real world justification for that right being taken away.


I don't see how it is even possible that you can take someones ability to vote away even while they are locked up, anyone know the supposed logic behind it?
 
2012-08-29 05:10:56 PM

odinsposse: stewmadness: Nothing like those who are stupid enough to not have a valid ID being allowed to participate in the most important election of the era. Awesome.

I didn't realize you were the arbiter of voting rights. Oh wait, you're just another traitor who wants to stop people from voting because you disagree with them.


I think the official dogwhistle/catchphrase is "mob rule", and how terrible it is that "the mob" is going to potentially sway an election. I wish they'd just go ahead and run "they don't value human life like we do" out there and have done with it.
 
2012-08-29 05:11:13 PM

Tigger: mr.Curmudgeon: Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.

Funny ha ha or funny peculiar

or funny 'totally farking disgusting, how do we ever talk to anyone in the world using the word freedom with a straight face' ha ha, peculiar?


More "Ha ha we're going to hell in a handbasket" funny.
 
2012-08-29 05:11:20 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


Katherine Harris will be installed as Secretary of State again to make sure that Florida voting is fair Obama loses Florida, no matter what.

Man, will Bugs Bunny hurry up and finish sawing Florida off of the rest of the US so we can get on with a semi normal existence?
 
2012-08-29 05:12:32 PM

mr.Curmudgeon: Lionel Mandrake: Removing voter restrictions which will allow Obama to win Florida?

DONE!


It's funny that we all pretty much know if everyone voted, we'd never see a Republican in elected office ever again, hence their intense focus on suppression.


Funny thing - if the electoral college apportioned by population only - I.e. didn't apportion a minimum of 3 votes to small states - Bush would have lost convincingly both times. Republicans have a huge systemic advantage due to the fact that their base is loosely spread over mid-west and west in multiple states with a fraction of the population of the larger states.
 
2012-08-29 05:14:33 PM

vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.


States determine that. MD allows non-violent felons to vote once they've served their time.
 
2012-08-29 05:15:05 PM
How will Republicans cheat their way into office now?

/rhetorical, I'm sure they'll find a way.
 
2012-08-29 05:15:21 PM
One state down, plenty more to go.
 
2012-08-29 05:18:14 PM
Voter registration suppression, vote suppression, unlimited money with which to buy elections, a campaign that is, by their own admission, not in any way limited to the truth....

And they're still, at best, break even. The republicans have literally launched a direct assault on the very foundation of American democracy in an attempt to literally usurp power from the people and with all that cheating they still have at best a 50/50 shot at the white house while running against an average incumbent president that they've actively hamstrung from the day he took office.

Amazing.
 
2012-08-29 05:22:05 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Voter registration suppression, vote suppression, unlimited money with which to buy elections, a campaign that is, by their own admission, not in any way limited to the truth....

And they're still, at best, break even. The republicans have literally launched a direct assault on the very foundation of American democracy in an attempt to literally usurp power from the people and with all that cheating they still have at best a 50/50 shot at the white house while running against an average incumbent president that they've actively hamstrung from the day he took office.

Amazing.


In a weird way, it almost gives hope for the future.
 
2012-08-29 05:23:12 PM

Headso: Mikey1969: Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.

That's good. I thought they were banned for life, too, which has always botherd me since there are some stupid things that rank as "felonies". Besides, I see no real world justification for that right being taken away.

I don't see how it is even possible that you can take someones ability to vote away even while they are locked up, anyone know the supposed logic behind it?


Well, it was part of the penalty for a felony as far as I know, but I'm betting it was back in the day when a penalty was a serious thing that affected the security of the country in some way? I'm thinking it's an archaic holdover,
 
2012-08-29 05:23:22 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Voter registration suppression, vote suppression, unlimited money with which to buy elections, a campaign that is, by their own admission, not in any way limited to the truth....

And they're still, at best, break even. The republicans have literally launched a direct assault on the very foundation of American democracy in an attempt to literally usurp power from the people and with all that cheating they still have at best a 50/50 shot at the white house while running against an average incumbent president that they've actively hamstrung from the day he took office.

Amazing.

 

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2012-08-29 05:23:43 PM

Headso: Mikey1969: Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.

That's good. I thought they were banned for life, too, which has always botherd me since there are some stupid things that rank as "felonies". Besides, I see no real world justification for that right being taken away.

I don't see how it is even possible that you can take someones ability to vote away even while they are locked up, anyone know the supposed logic behind it?


Sadly, the Constitution has no provision that specifies an explicit, affirmative right to vote. The pertinent clauses and amendments say you can't be denied it due to certain reasons (race, sex, poll tax, etc.) but they're all phrased negatively; instead of saying "everyone can vote, regardless of whether or not they've paid their taxes", the amendment says "states can't deny the right to vote because you haven't paid your taxes". Felon tax criminals notwithstanding, of course.

As long as the reason you're denied can't plausibly be linked to one of the proscribed reasons, it's all good.

As for the logic behind it, it's punishment; a convicted felon should not have the privilege of having a say in the laws. It's the whole "debt to society" thing.
 
2012-08-29 05:24:49 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And they're still, at best, break even. The republicans have literally launched a direct assault on the very foundation of American democracy in an attempt to literally usurp power from the people and with all that cheating they still have at best a 50/50 shot at the white house while running against an average incumbent president that they've actively hamstrung from the day he took office.


they also cheat counts: http://rangevoting.org/OhioConvictns.html -->

/Jacqueline Maiden, center, stands with Rosie Grier, left, and Kathleen Dreamer, during court proceedings, Thursday, Jan. 18, 2007, in Cleveland. Maiden, who was the elections board's third-highest ranking employee, faces six counts of misconduct over how ballots were reviewed in Cuyahoga County in the 2004 presidential election. Grier, manager of the board's ballot department, and Kathleen Dreamer, an assistant manager, face the same charges. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak) (Tony Dejak)
 
2012-08-29 05:26:32 PM

qorkfiend: As for the logic behind it, it's punishment; a convicted felon should not have the privilege of having a say in the laws. It's the whole "debt to society" thing.


That's bullshiat. The very nature of such a law is antithetical to democracy and freedom - especially in a nation with such a rampant and bloated prison industry.
 
2012-08-29 05:28:47 PM

qorkfiend: Headso: Mikey1969: Headso: vudukungfu: Someone told me they allow felons to vote in Fla.
This cannot be true.
I didn't think any convicted felon was able to vote. Period.

no, most states allow you to vote after either your time in the clink or that plus your probation, Maine lets you even vote while you are locked up.

That's good. I thought they were banned for life, too, which has always botherd me since there are some stupid things that rank as "felonies". Besides, I see no real world justification for that right being taken away.

I don't see how it is even possible that you can take someones ability to vote away even while they are locked up, anyone know the supposed logic behind it?

Sadly, the Constitution has no provision that specifies an explicit, affirmative right to vote for your state's electors for president. The pertinent clauses and amendments say you can't be denied it due to certain reasons (race, sex, poll tax, etc.) but they're all phrased negatively; instead of saying "everyone can vote, regardless of whether or not they've paid their taxes", the amendment says "states can't deny the right to vote because you haven't paid your taxes". Felon tax criminals notwithstanding, of course.

As long as the reason you're denied can't plausibly be linked to one of the proscribed reasons, it's all good.

As for the logic behind it, it's punishment; a convicted felon should not have the privilege of having a say in the laws. It's the whole "debt to society" thing.


There was a SCOTUS case, McPherson v. Blacker, awhile back that ruled the state's had plenary power to choose their electors. In short, states don't actually have to have a vote for president. If an arbitrary state wanted to create a constitutional amendment automatically granting their electoral votes to the Democratic Party candidate, they legally can do that.

As for House and Senate elections, you really do have the right to vote in those elections based on the 17th Amendment and Article I, Section 2, Clause 1. But you can still restrict the right to voting outside of the prohibited restrictions laid out in the amendments as long as it passes strict scrutiny.
 
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