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2012-08-29 09:15:29 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: How did Luke's continued presence lead the droids there? R2D2 was in search of Obi Wan, not Luke. That it landed C-3PO in a family reunion at his old house was coincidental. Even if Obi Wan had followed Luke to whatever planet the academy is on, to keep an eye on him, the Organa family and thus R2D2 would not know that he left.


Owen may have already procured droids to replace Luke and thus, may not have needed the extra ones to help out since the ones that would've replaced Luke wouldn't have been as lazy as Luke. That's not too far fetched, since TESB has Yoda stating Luke has always focused on the future and never on the tasks at hand. With no need for droids, Owen wouldn't have been at the Sandcrawler purchasing the droids that ultimately led to his demise.

Also, if Luke was gone, Owen may not have opted for R2D2 as the replacement for the R2 unit with the bad motivator.

Question though: Was the Academy the training institution for Imperial officers? Had Luke gone, he would have started working his way up the ranks and eventually caught the eye of Vader and/or the Emperor? I presume the two of them had the foresight to have their IT guys flag the name "Skywalker" to watch for any of Shmee's & Vader's relatives who might be carrying large quantities of the Force virus.

Honestly, that's a question for someone who has more knowledge of the expanded universe canon.
 
2012-08-29 09:24:41 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: HopScotchNSoda: How did Luke's continued presence lead the droids there? R2D2 was in search of Obi Wan, not Luke. That it landed C-3PO in a family reunion at his old house was coincidental. Even if Obi Wan had followed Luke to whatever planet the academy is on, to keep an eye on him, the Organa family and thus R2D2 would not know that he left.

Owen may have already procured droids to replace Luke and thus, may not have needed the extra ones to help out since the ones that would've replaced Luke wouldn't have been as lazy as Luke. That's not too far fetched, since TESB has Yoda stating Luke has always focused on the future and never on the tasks at hand. With no need for droids, Owen wouldn't have been at the Sandcrawler purchasing the droids that ultimately led to his demise.


OK, I can see your point there.


Also, if Luke was gone, Owen may not have opted for R2D2 as the replacement for the R2 unit with the bad motivator.

The only reason it was Luke who noticed the problem was because it was Luke who was escorting the droids. Were it not for Luke, then Lars or Beru, or another droid or farmhand would have presumably done the same thing.


Question though: Was the Academy the training institution for Imperial officers? Had Luke gone, he would have started working his way up the ranks and eventually caught the eye of Vader and/or the Emperor? I presume the two of them had the foresight to have their IT guys flag the name "Skywalker" to watch for any of Shmee's & Vader's relatives who might be carrying large quantities of the Force virus.

Honestly, that's a question for someone who has more knowledge of the expanded universe canon.


I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.
 
2012-08-29 09:32:41 PM  
I got yer 'moisture farm' right here!
 
2012-08-29 09:34:27 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.


Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.
 
2012-08-29 09:41:57 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.


Tell me you're kidding.

Look man, I've been drinking Coronas, so the subtler touches may be missing, but it seems to me you're mixing fairy tales.
 
2012-08-29 09:45:23 PM  

HopScotchNSoda:
The only reason it was Luke who noticed the problem was because it was Luke who was escorting the droids. Were it not for Luke, then Lars or Beru, or another droid or farmhand would have presumably done the same thing.


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True, it was Luke who noticed the flaw but it was C3PO who suggested R2D2 as the replacement. Owen may have chosen to completely ignore C3PO's suggestion and gone with a different unit (there are other similar units available in the same scene, 0:31 in). Again, not too unrealistic as he doesn't seem to like C3PO too much and even tells him to shut up (0:18 in)

I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

As you stated, the Alliance wouldn't be advertising their training academy, so that leads me to believe it was an Empire offering. Now contrast that with Luke's stated hatred of the Empire...why would he want to go to their training academy? It could be an independent academy, I don't know. It's a strange situation. Of course, another option is that Lucas didn't fully flesh out the storylines. ;)
 
2012-08-29 09:47:47 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.

Tell me you're kidding.

Look man, I've been drinking Coronas, so the subtler touches may be missing, but it seems to me you're mixing fairy tales.


www.alicia-logic.com

Mathesar always gets the historical documents confused
 
2012-08-29 09:48:31 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.


He probably hated the dumb rock he lived on more than getting off planet and flying spaceships.
 
2012-08-29 10:00:19 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Owen may have chosen to completely ignore C3PO's suggestion and gone with a different unit (there are other similar units available in the same scene, 0:31 in). Again, not too unrealistic as he doesn't seem to like C3PO too much and even tells him to shut up (0:18 in)


I presume Owen had been more than happy to let C3PO leave with Leah years earlier.


Of course, another option is that Lucas didn't fully flesh out the storylines. ;)

Whhhhaaaaaaaaa? No, that's unpossible.

Which brings us back to the fact that Owen is suddenly facing an annoying-as-fark Tony Randal-esque droid with the same nomenclature, appearance, and voice, as the annoying-as-fark Tony Randal-esque droid with whom he lived for several years -- and doesn't question it in the slightest.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:43 PM  

dittybopper: Princess Leia: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash."

That sounds like Princess Leia, who would have been familiar with the workings of the Empire, understood that Vader was under Tarkin's control.

Governor Tarkin: "Are they away?"
Darth Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
Governor Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.

Plus, I don't buy the retconning of Vader releasing Motti just because hey, He's just delivering a message. The way Tarkin orders him to stop isn't that of equals, or of an ostensible subordinate, but of someone with higher rank and prestige telling a lesser personage to knock it off. It's not a request, it's an order: "Vader, release him!".


The leash comment could very well have been a way of saying "you think you are in charge but you aren't" in order to get a dig in on Vader.

I don't think of the Empire as a functional democracy with clear delineations of power as much as the 3rd Reich, where Hitler set up multiple parallel power structures (for example, Himmler, leading the SS and officially having no civilian rank at all, but de facto wielding immense influence) both for his own convenience and also probably to intentionally obscure who was "#2" to prevent a successor usurping power. On the other hand, it was a movie. I won't debate it with you, but think about my analogy.
 
2012-08-29 10:24:13 PM  

dittybopper: The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.


or possibly Tarkin spoke (incorrectly probably) to Vader as if he were a peer, not a direct rival.
 
2012-08-29 10:32:05 PM  

Fano: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.

He probably hated the dumb rock he lived on more than getting off planet and flying spaceships.


He was going to attend the New York Academy of Performing Arts. And live forever. And learn how to fly. High!
 
2012-08-29 10:50:38 PM  
Now we need to find a trinary star system like Trisol

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2012-08-29 11:27:18 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.


It was a respected institution of the old Republic that was made Imperial along with everything else but apparently remained a legitimate school. Palpatine didn't seem to have specifically anti-intellectual impulses, though obviously someone who blows up planets is going to cause a lot of collateral damage.
 
2012-08-30 03:53:54 AM  
I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.

Nothing more.

It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.

He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

He kept everyone alive so he could make a sequel if needed, but I don't think he ever meant to go beyond two films, tops.

That movie was expected to tank, really.
 
2012-08-30 05:49:29 AM  

ko_kyi: dittybopper: Princess Leia: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash."

That sounds like Princess Leia, who would have been familiar with the workings of the Empire, understood that Vader was under Tarkin's control.

Governor Tarkin: "Are they away?"
Darth Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
Governor Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.

Plus, I don't buy the retconning of Vader releasing Motti just because hey, He's just delivering a message. The way Tarkin orders him to stop isn't that of equals, or of an ostensible subordinate, but of someone with higher rank and prestige telling a lesser personage to knock it off. It's not a request, it's an order: "Vader, release him!".

The leash comment could very well have been a way of saying "you think you are in charge but you aren't" in order to get a dig in on Vader.

I don't think of the Empire as a functional democracy with clear delineations of power as much as the 3rd Reich, where Hitler set up multiple parallel power structures (for example, Himmler, leading the SS and officially having no civilian rank at all, but de facto wielding immense influence) both for his own convenience and also probably to intentionally obscure who was "#2" to prevent a successor usurping power. On the other hand, it was a movie. I won't debate it with you, but think about my analogy.


In A New Hope, Vader knows exactly what the score is and he's playing along. He knows that the Imperial senate is a sham and soon going to be disbanded, so he plays along with the charade that he's not in charge and GMT calls the shots, all the while knowing the truth. Every now and then, he likes to give a little reminder that he's not to be farked with, (picking people up, choking etc) but in the main, he's content to maintain the illusion - just as the Emperor wills it.

.
 
2012-08-30 08:54:38 AM  

studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.

Nothing more.

It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.

He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

He kept everyone alive so he could make a sequel if needed, but I don't think he ever meant to go beyond two films, tops.

That movie was expected to tank, really.


When it was released it wasn't called Episode IV. That wasn't in the text crawl until later.
 
2012-08-30 02:25:44 PM  

studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.
Nothing more.
It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.
He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".


Huh?

Episode IV: A New Hope, as it is now offiically known, was released as simply "Star Wars". There was no bloody "Episode IV" nor "A New Hope" nor jack diddly. Just "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away .... Star Wars It is a period of civil war. rebel baseships blah blah blah."

He started the episode numbering with The Empire Strikes Back which confused the hell out of everyone when they saw "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back"
 
2012-08-30 03:45:14 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.
Nothing more.
It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.
He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

Huh?

Episode IV: A New Hope, as it is now offiically known, was released as simply "Star Wars". There was no bloody "Episode IV" nor "A New Hope" nor jack diddly. Just "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away .... Star Wars It is a period of civil war. rebel baseships blah blah blah."

He started the episode numbering with The Empire Strikes Back which confused the hell out of everyone when they saw "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back"


I wanted to tell you were wrong, but you weren't. The rerelease with "Episode IV: A New Hope" wasn't released until 1981.

You really think they would have rereleased it in '79, to kill Star Trek: The Motion Picture, establish the Episode numbering, and refresh the story in people's minds before Empire came out.
 
2012-08-30 09:57:20 PM  
OK, I checked.

And you're right. No Episode IV in the original crawl.

I never saw the re-release. I must have picked it up on YouTube.

Replaying all those old classics, I guess some weren't so "classic", and were the rerocked crap GL was selling later.

/seeing that receding logo again, with those S's, made me a bit ill. I think I've had enough Star Wars.
 
2012-08-31 01:15:11 AM  

StrikitRich: Old_Chief_Scott: Anyone besides me reminded of Asimov's "Nightfall"?


No, Clarke's 2010. Couldn't find a picture of the 2 suns from the end of the movie, though.


encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
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