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2012-08-29 12:34:49 PM
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2012-08-29 12:40:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]


*shakes fist*

Well played
 
2012-08-29 12:47:04 PM
Bo shuda!
 
2012-08-29 12:49:01 PM
Et tu taka bu Jabba now
 
2012-08-29 01:04:40 PM
Probably a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
 
2012-08-29 01:15:36 PM
Is it bad that the first fictional character I thought of was Superman?
 
2012-08-29 01:16:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Is it bad that the first fictional character I thought of was Superman?


Yes.

Krypton had a red sun, not twin suns.
 
2012-08-29 01:47:23 PM
Two suns in the sunset?

Could mean the human race is run.

/sax solo
 
2012-08-29 01:53:08 PM
Star Wars Headline reference trifecta in play.
 
2012-08-29 01:57:23 PM
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All these worlds are yours, except Europa.
 
2012-08-29 01:58:10 PM

Uzzah: Two suns in the sunset?

Could mean the human race is run.

/sax solo


Well played.
 
2012-08-29 02:09:24 PM

Makh: Probably a wretched hive of scum and villainy.


Don't get cocky, kid.
 
2012-08-29 02:09:50 PM
Anyone besides me reminded of Asimov's "Nightfall"?

Poor Aunt Beru. Owen? That farkwad had it coming if you ask me (which you didn't).
 
2012-08-29 02:16:36 PM
Old_Chief_Scott:
Poor Aunt Beru. Owen? That farkwad had it coming if you ask me (which you didn't).

Humble farmer on a dull, hardscrabble planet.
Shelters an innocent boy, for decades, from literally the most powerful and evil men in the galaxy.
Pays for it with his life.
What a jerk.

/do you feel bad now?
 
2012-08-29 02:22:01 PM
So...Leia is a dude?

Does that make the kiss between her him and Luke more awkward?
 
2012-08-29 02:40:17 PM
FirstNationalBastard:

Brilliant. Exactly the post I was hoping to find.
 
2012-08-29 02:47:14 PM

No Such Agency: Old_Chief_Scott:
Poor Aunt Beru. Owen? That farkwad had it coming if you ask me (which you didn't).

Humble farmer on a dull, hardscrabble planet.
Shelters an innocent boy, for decades, from literally the most powerful and evil men in the galaxy.
Pays for it with his life.
What a jerk.

/do you feel bad now?


Since the prequels established Vader knew the address there, I suppose it's been retconned that he personally ordered the Lars' execution over the radio or something. It makes more sense that it was just the stormtroopers being ruthless and that Vader didn't know till later, if ever. Even though it was sort of luck that the droids ended up at the farm, from Vader's point of view it would seem like a pretty big coincidence and, not knowing about the Jawas' involvement, he's wonder why Leia had sent the droids there, and think she knew something about him.
 
2012-08-29 02:48:22 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Anyone besides me reminded of Asimov's "Nightfall"?


Not until you said something.

Good book, though.
 
2012-08-29 02:55:47 PM
Dam you know where that puts our solar system right? Beyond the ass end of the RIM and civilized space.
 
2012-08-29 02:56:04 PM
Be wary of mindworms, especially when Hercules reaches perihelion...

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2012-08-29 02:58:17 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Anyone besides me reminded of Asimov's "Nightfall"?


No, Clarke's 2010. Couldn't find a picture of the 2 suns from the end of the movie, though.
 
2012-08-29 03:11:21 PM
I don't always go to Fox News for science reporting, but when I do, I blame Obama.

i171.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-29 03:22:36 PM
My first thought was "Pitch Black", but that system had 3 suns.
 
2012-08-29 03:34:05 PM

Nem Wan: Since the prequels established Vader knew the address there, I suppose it's been retconned that he personally ordered the Lars' execution over the radio or something. It makes more sense that it was just the stormtroopers being ruthless and that Vader didn't know till later, if ever.


Yeah, I was always bothered by that. I just supposed lucas wanted to make the point that storm troopers are evil, but to have them consistently act in that fashion for the rest of the movies would have cut into his toy sales..
 
2012-08-29 03:36:34 PM
Nem Wan:

That would be the most bullshiat and needless retcon ever (so about par for Lucas). Blasting recalcitrant peasants is really just something Imperial Stormtroopers do, if they feel like it. They are basically supposed to be the Waffen-SS in non-blaster-proof space armour.
 
2012-08-29 03:37:03 PM

paswa17: So...Leia is a dude?

Does that make the kiss between her him and Luke more awkward?


Please ignore my dumbassery. I thought the headline implied both twins (Luke & Leia) were sons.

Have the astronomers found signs of a sarlacc or pod racing?
 
2012-08-29 03:47:52 PM

FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]


BFD, that's the re-release. I have the first edition:

www.unc.edu 

Hands down, one of my favorite internets gags.
 
2012-08-29 03:49:35 PM

Nem Wan: No Such Agency: Old_Chief_Scott:
Poor Aunt Beru. Owen? That farkwad had it coming if you ask me (which you didn't).

Humble farmer on a dull, hardscrabble planet.
Shelters an innocent boy, for decades, from literally the most powerful and evil men in the galaxy.
Pays for it with his life.
What a jerk.

/do you feel bad now?

Since the prequels established Vader knew the address there, I suppose it's been retconned that he personally ordered the Lars' execution over the radio or something. It makes more sense that it was just the stormtroopers being ruthless and that Vader didn't know till later, if ever. Even though it was sort of luck that the droids ended up at the farm, from Vader's point of view it would seem like a pretty big coincidence and, not knowing about the Jawas' involvement, he's wonder why Leia had sent the droids there, and think she knew something about him.


Actually, I don't believe Lucas when he said he had the whole story arc planned out (for the first 3 films), but couldn't film it because it was too large, so he went with the "first act" which became "Star Wars".

There are just too many damn inconsistencies.

First, we have the idea of Luke's father dying in the Clone Wars, killed by Darth Vader. This is retroactively "fixed" by pointing out that Obi Wan was a lying asshole.

Then we have the idea that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker can't sense his own son via The Force. At the end of Star Wars, he does comment that "The force is strong with this one", but there isn't any recognition of who he is.

Also, the idea that DV/AS can't sense his own daughter via the same mechanism, even when he is right next to her.

Vader is under Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars. Tarkin can order him to do things and expect that he will do them (witness the force-choking during the conference on the Death Star). He mentions to Vader that Vader's plan had better work, because he (Tarkin) is taking an awful risk. Also, Leia recognizes the nature of their relationship by commenting on Tarkin holding Vader's leash. But all the subsequent films, including the last of the "prequels", have DV/AS directly subordinate to Palpatine.
 
2012-08-29 03:57:10 PM

dittybopper: Vader is under Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars.


I'll preface my comment with the disclaimer that I have never read any of the books.

Vader was more like an Adjutant General. He was part of the Imperial staff, not the civilian or military government apparatus. His job was to see that the Emperor's wishes and image were represented and present as the goverment conducted affairs. He didn't release the choke because Tarkin ordered it, but rather delivered a reminder that the Emperor is watching everything. He was keeping the staff in the room in line.
 
2012-08-29 04:06:09 PM

FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]


Man that one never gets old. Of course once you realize Owen was an abused husband and Beru was farking psycho, you feel bad for him more than anything else.
 
2012-08-29 04:20:00 PM

Irving Maimway: FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]

Man that one never gets old. Of course once you realize Owen was an abused husband and Beru was farking psycho, you feel bad for him more than anything else.


♫♪ Bad boy, bad boy, what'cha gonna do? ♪♫
♪♫ What'cha gonna do when they come for you? ♫♪


(Something else that never gets old.)
 
2012-08-29 04:21:43 PM
The star and its planets, called Kepler-47b and Kepler-47c, dwell about 5,000 light-years away

That's neither a long time ago or far far away. You can stop now.
 
2012-08-29 04:21:53 PM

ko_kyi: dittybopper: Vader is under Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars.

I'll preface my comment with the disclaimer that I have never read any of the books.

Vader was more like an Adjutant General. He was part of the Imperial staff, not the civilian or military government apparatus. His job was to see that the Emperor's wishes and image were represented and present as the goverment conducted affairs. He didn't release the choke because Tarkin ordered it, but rather delivered a reminder that the Emperor is watching everything. He was keeping the staff in the room in line.


Princess Leia: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash."

That sounds like Princess Leia, who would have been familiar with the workings of the Empire, understood that Vader was under Tarkin's control.

Governor Tarkin: "Are they away?"
Darth Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
Governor Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.

Plus, I don't buy the retconning of Vader releasing Motti just because hey, He's just delivering a message. The way Tarkin orders him to stop isn't that of equals, or of an ostensible subordinate, but of someone with higher rank and prestige telling a lesser personage to knock it off. It's not a request, it's an order: "Vader, release him!".
 
2012-08-29 04:22:45 PM

FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]


I should lol b/c that was farked up; but I loled anyway.

+1.
 
2012-08-29 04:27:22 PM

OldManDownDRoad: FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]

BFD, that's the re-release. I have the first edition:

[www.unc.edu image 720x525] 

Hands down, one of my favorite internets gags.


Imagine the Fark thread about this one...holy...!
 
2012-08-29 04:31:35 PM

No Such Agency: Nem Wan:

That would be the most bullshiat and needless retcon ever (so about par for Lucas). Blasting recalcitrant peasants is really just something Imperial Stormtroopers do, if they feel like it. They are basically supposed to be the Waffen-SS in non-blaster-proof space armour.


I'm trying to think of one good retcon in Star Wars. All of them were needless, and every revelation had the Hermes in my head saying "that just raises MORE questions!"

As a kid, I remember thinking the Clone Wars were like a great game of double agents, spying, and assassinations.The clones would have just been copies of people on both sides. I miss thinking the Stormtroopers were just motivated guys from across the galaxy. The chronicle that came with TIE Fighter was great.
 
2012-08-29 04:34:13 PM

COMALite J: Irving Maimway: FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]

Man that one never gets old. Of course once you realize Owen was an abused husband and Beru was farking psycho, you feel bad for him more than anything else.

♫♪ Bad boy, bad boy, what'cha gonna do? ♪♫
♪♫ What'cha gonna do when they come for you? ♫♪

(Something else that never gets old.)


"Some people might call this the arse end of space..."
 
2012-08-29 04:43:03 PM

dittybopper: First, we have the idea of Luke's father dying in the Clone Wars, killed by Darth Vader. This is retroactively "fixed" by pointing out that Obi Wan was a lying asshole.


You should probably watch the scene where Obi Wan is telling luke what happened to his father. Clearly the acting is intended to show that he was giving a deceptive answer.

dittybopper: Then we have the idea that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker can't sense his own son via The Force. At the end of Star Wars, he does comment that "The force is strong with this one", but there isn't any recognition of who he is.


He never met Luke as an adult, so the force perception of his son shouldn't be something he'd recognize as he recognized Obi Wan.

dittybopper: Also, the idea that DV/AS can't sense his own daughter via the same mechanism, even when he is right next to her.


Pretty much the same answer, but in addition Luke at least had some minor training in the force, Leia had none.

dittybopper: Vader is under Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars. Tarkin can order him to do things and expect that he will do them (witness the force-choking during the conference on the Death Star). He mentions to Vader that Vader's plan had better work, because he (Tarkin) is taking an awful risk. Also, Leia recognizes the nature of their relationship by commenting on Tarkin holding Vader's leash. But all the subsequent films, including the last of the "prequels", have DV/AS directly subordinate to Palpatine.


I fully agree on this one.

/end nerd rant
 
2012-08-29 04:56:12 PM
Vader is under Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars. Tarkin can order him to do things and expect that he will do them (witness the force-choking during the conference on the Death Star). He mentions to Vader that Vader's plan had better work, because he (Tarkin) is taking an awful risk. Also, Leia recognizes the nature of their relationship by commenting on Tarkin holding Vader's leash. But all the subsequent films, including the last of the "prequels", have DV/AS directly subordinate to Palpatine.

Tarkin died in Star Wars. It would have been hard for him to keep giving Vader orders after that. And as the movies go on, the Emperor is taking more and more power for himself and dispensing with the pretense that it's still a repubilc. Vader doesn't even show up until the last couple minutes of the prequels so there wasn't any indication of where he stood in the Imperial hierarchy. Even as Evil Anakin, all he did was go murder the Jedi and then fight Obi-Wan.

There's lots of inconsistencies in the movies but this isn't one of them.
 
2012-08-29 05:08:49 PM
Unfortunately, it doesn't have the droids you're looking for.
 
2012-08-29 05:50:26 PM
Two inner suns would be totally meh as far as I'm concerned. The system described in TFA has two suns closer than our sun and Mercery, which we can almost never see. Such a setup would be almost indiscernible from what we have here. That said, if our Jupiter was a sun...now THAT would be cool.

Or better yet, if Earth was a moon of a Jovian planet, a la the planet in Predators. Holy cow!

3.bp.blogspot.com

/yeah, I know...radiation belt and all that...but still!!!
 
2012-08-29 06:07:50 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Two inner suns would be totally meh as far as I'm concerned. The system described in TFA has two suns closer than our sun and Mercery, which we can almost never see. Such a setup would be almost indiscernible from what we have here. That said, if our Jupiter was a sun...now THAT would be cool.


Try one of those Solar System simulators and see if you can make it work. I'd expect any object that occupied Jupiter's position and was massive enough to start fusion would make the orbits of the inner planets unstable, and eventually eject them. But a cool idea, worth playing with.

Or better yet, if Earth was a moon of a Jovian planet, a la the planet in Predators. Holy cow!

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 560x281]

/yeah, I know...radiation belt and all that...but still!!!


Too much radiation for us as we exist here on Earth, but if we did evolve on such a planet, presumably that would be the 'background' radiation that we were used to. Hypothetically. Another really interesting idea. Plus, the tidal forces would be totes amazeballs ... Hang ten, dude!
 
2012-08-29 06:28:34 PM
Having majored in political science, I feel I'd be a better science editor for the Fox News website.
 
2012-08-29 06:30:38 PM

StopLurkListen: StoneColdAtheist: That said, if our Jupiter was a sun...now THAT would be cool.

Try one of those Solar System simulators and see if you can make it work. I'd expect any object that occupied Jupiter's position and was massive enough to start fusion would make the orbits of the inner planets unstable, and eventually eject them. But a cool idea, worth playing with.


Yep, I'll have to give that a try. If Jupiter's orbit won't work, we can always kick it out to Netpune's. OTOH, I don't need to get too realistic...I'm just day dreaming.

Or better yet, if Earth was a moon of a Jovian planet, a la the planet in Predators. Holy cow!
/yeah, I know...radiation belt and all that...but still!!!

Too much radiation for us as we exist here on Earth, but if we did evolve on such a planet, presumably that would be the 'background' radiation that we were used to. Hypothetically. Another really interesting idea. Plus, the tidal forces would be totes amazeballs ... Hang ten, dude!


Yea, I know...just having fun day dreaming while monitoring the CNC slowly carving a 6'x3'x1' billet of tooling board.
 
2012-08-29 06:47:55 PM

Irving Maimway: COMALite J: Irving Maimway: FirstNationalBastard: [0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com image 600x465]

Man that one never gets old. Of course once you realize Owen was an abused husband and Beru was farking psycho, you feel bad for him more than anything else.

♫♪ Bad boy, bad boy, what'cha gonna do? ♪♫
♪♫ What'cha gonna do when they come for you? ♫♪

(Something else that never gets old.)

"Some people might call this the arse end of space..."


Funny how the Stormtroopers talk like they are from Minnesota.
 
2012-08-29 07:28:01 PM
Tarkin was a Grand Moff. The Grand Moff, having control over multiple sectors and lesser Moffs, reported ONLY to the Emperor. Vader, despite his power and position, was basically second-in-command when with either Palpatine or Tarkin. So Tarkin did have Vader's reins, but he also liked and respected Vader, so he did allow him to do his own thing as long as it didn't involve killing Tarkin's subordinates.
 
2012-08-29 07:41:48 PM
I can't see the picture without hearing the damn music...
 
2012-08-29 08:10:51 PM

No Such Agency: Old_Chief_Scott:
Poor Aunt Beru. Owen? That farkwad had it coming if you ask me (which you didn't).

Humble farmer on a dull, hardscrabble planet.
Shelters an innocent boy, for decades, from literally the most powerful and evil men in the galaxy.
Pays for it with his life.
What a jerk.

/do you feel bad now?


Well, if Uncle Owen wasn't a selfish bastard and hadn't insisted on Luke staying for "one more harvest" and instead had decided to let Luke go to the Academy earlier, the droids never would've ended up there. No droids, no Stormtroopers charbroiling Owen and Beru. IOW, Owen's asshat selfishness is directly responsible for his demise and that of his wife. I'd go as far as to say he's an accomplice to her murder, not only for holding Luke back, which brought the Empire to his doorstep, but also for not reporting Anakin's extermination of a Tusken Raider tribe to the authorities. His unwillingness to turn in Anakin ultimately paved the way for Anakin to become Darth Vader. If anything, Owen's death at the hands of Vader is ironic.

/Bastard got what he deserved
 
2012-08-29 08:34:46 PM
I just want to point out that Lucas ripped off Dune. The original script was much different and bore a greater resemblance to Dune.
 
2012-08-29 08:45:06 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Well, if Uncle Owen wasn't a selfish bastard and hadn't insisted on Luke staying for "one more harvest" and instead had decided to let Luke go to the Academy earlier, the droids never would've ended up there. No droids, no Stormtroopers charbroiling Owen and Beru. IOW, Owen's asshat selfishness is directly responsible for his demise and that of his wife. I'd go as far as to say he's an accomplice to her murder, not only for holding Luke back, which brought the Empire to his doorstep, but also for not reporting Anakin's extermination of a Tusken Raider tribe to the authorities. His unwillingness to turn in Anakin ultimately paved the way for Anakin to become Darth Vader. If anything, Owen's death at the hands of Vader is ironic.


How did Luke's continued presence lead the droids there? R2D2 was in search of Obi Wan, not Luke. That it landed C-3PO in a family reunion at his old house was coincidental. Even if Obi Wan had followed Luke to whatever planet the academy is on, to keep an eye on him, the Organa family and thus R2D2 would not know that he left.

Question though: Was the Academy the training institution for Imperial officers? Had Luke gone, he would have started working his way up the ranks and eventually caught the eye of Vader and/or the Emperor? I presume the two of them had the foresight to have their IT guys flag the name "Skywalker" to watch for any of Shmee's & Vader's relatives who might be carrying large quantities of the Force virus.
 
2012-08-29 09:15:29 PM

HopScotchNSoda: How did Luke's continued presence lead the droids there? R2D2 was in search of Obi Wan, not Luke. That it landed C-3PO in a family reunion at his old house was coincidental. Even if Obi Wan had followed Luke to whatever planet the academy is on, to keep an eye on him, the Organa family and thus R2D2 would not know that he left.


Owen may have already procured droids to replace Luke and thus, may not have needed the extra ones to help out since the ones that would've replaced Luke wouldn't have been as lazy as Luke. That's not too far fetched, since TESB has Yoda stating Luke has always focused on the future and never on the tasks at hand. With no need for droids, Owen wouldn't have been at the Sandcrawler purchasing the droids that ultimately led to his demise.

Also, if Luke was gone, Owen may not have opted for R2D2 as the replacement for the R2 unit with the bad motivator.

Question though: Was the Academy the training institution for Imperial officers? Had Luke gone, he would have started working his way up the ranks and eventually caught the eye of Vader and/or the Emperor? I presume the two of them had the foresight to have their IT guys flag the name "Skywalker" to watch for any of Shmee's & Vader's relatives who might be carrying large quantities of the Force virus.

Honestly, that's a question for someone who has more knowledge of the expanded universe canon.
 
2012-08-29 09:24:41 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: HopScotchNSoda: How did Luke's continued presence lead the droids there? R2D2 was in search of Obi Wan, not Luke. That it landed C-3PO in a family reunion at his old house was coincidental. Even if Obi Wan had followed Luke to whatever planet the academy is on, to keep an eye on him, the Organa family and thus R2D2 would not know that he left.

Owen may have already procured droids to replace Luke and thus, may not have needed the extra ones to help out since the ones that would've replaced Luke wouldn't have been as lazy as Luke. That's not too far fetched, since TESB has Yoda stating Luke has always focused on the future and never on the tasks at hand. With no need for droids, Owen wouldn't have been at the Sandcrawler purchasing the droids that ultimately led to his demise.


OK, I can see your point there.


Also, if Luke was gone, Owen may not have opted for R2D2 as the replacement for the R2 unit with the bad motivator.

The only reason it was Luke who noticed the problem was because it was Luke who was escorting the droids. Were it not for Luke, then Lars or Beru, or another droid or farmhand would have presumably done the same thing.


Question though: Was the Academy the training institution for Imperial officers? Had Luke gone, he would have started working his way up the ranks and eventually caught the eye of Vader and/or the Emperor? I presume the two of them had the foresight to have their IT guys flag the name "Skywalker" to watch for any of Shmee's & Vader's relatives who might be carrying large quantities of the Force virus.

Honestly, that's a question for someone who has more knowledge of the expanded universe canon.


I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.
 
2012-08-29 09:32:41 PM
I got yer 'moisture farm' right here!
 
2012-08-29 09:34:27 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.


Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.
 
2012-08-29 09:41:57 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.


Tell me you're kidding.

Look man, I've been drinking Coronas, so the subtler touches may be missing, but it seems to me you're mixing fairy tales.
 
2012-08-29 09:45:23 PM

HopScotchNSoda:
The only reason it was Luke who noticed the problem was because it was Luke who was escorting the droids. Were it not for Luke, then Lars or Beru, or another droid or farmhand would have presumably done the same thing.


Link

True, it was Luke who noticed the flaw but it was C3PO who suggested R2D2 as the replacement. Owen may have chosen to completely ignore C3PO's suggestion and gone with a different unit (there are other similar units available in the same scene, 0:31 in). Again, not too unrealistic as he doesn't seem to like C3PO too much and even tells him to shut up (0:18 in)

I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

As you stated, the Alliance wouldn't be advertising their training academy, so that leads me to believe it was an Empire offering. Now contrast that with Luke's stated hatred of the Empire...why would he want to go to their training academy? It could be an independent academy, I don't know. It's a strange situation. Of course, another option is that Lucas didn't fully flesh out the storylines. ;)
 
2012-08-29 09:47:47 PM

StoneColdAtheist: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.

Tell me you're kidding.

Look man, I've been drinking Coronas, so the subtler touches may be missing, but it seems to me you're mixing fairy tales.


www.alicia-logic.com

Mathesar always gets the historical documents confused
 
2012-08-29 09:48:31 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.


He probably hated the dumb rock he lived on more than getting off planet and flying spaceships.
 
2012-08-29 10:00:19 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Owen may have chosen to completely ignore C3PO's suggestion and gone with a different unit (there are other similar units available in the same scene, 0:31 in). Again, not too unrealistic as he doesn't seem to like C3PO too much and even tells him to shut up (0:18 in)


I presume Owen had been more than happy to let C3PO leave with Leah years earlier.


Of course, another option is that Lucas didn't fully flesh out the storylines. ;)

Whhhhaaaaaaaaa? No, that's unpossible.

Which brings us back to the fact that Owen is suddenly facing an annoying-as-fark Tony Randal-esque droid with the same nomenclature, appearance, and voice, as the annoying-as-fark Tony Randal-esque droid with whom he lived for several years -- and doesn't question it in the slightest.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:43 PM

dittybopper: Princess Leia: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash."

That sounds like Princess Leia, who would have been familiar with the workings of the Empire, understood that Vader was under Tarkin's control.

Governor Tarkin: "Are they away?"
Darth Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
Governor Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.

Plus, I don't buy the retconning of Vader releasing Motti just because hey, He's just delivering a message. The way Tarkin orders him to stop isn't that of equals, or of an ostensible subordinate, but of someone with higher rank and prestige telling a lesser personage to knock it off. It's not a request, it's an order: "Vader, release him!".


The leash comment could very well have been a way of saying "you think you are in charge but you aren't" in order to get a dig in on Vader.

I don't think of the Empire as a functional democracy with clear delineations of power as much as the 3rd Reich, where Hitler set up multiple parallel power structures (for example, Himmler, leading the SS and officially having no civilian rank at all, but de facto wielding immense influence) both for his own convenience and also probably to intentionally obscure who was "#2" to prevent a successor usurping power. On the other hand, it was a movie. I won't debate it with you, but think about my analogy.
 
2012-08-29 10:24:13 PM

dittybopper: The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.


or possibly Tarkin spoke (incorrectly probably) to Vader as if he were a peer, not a direct rival.
 
2012-08-29 10:32:05 PM

Fano: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.

Luke told Obi Wan that he hated the empire when he initially refused to escort him to Alderaan, so it would make sense that he wasn't talking about an imperial academy. He was most likely talking about joining starfleet academy.

He probably hated the dumb rock he lived on more than getting off planet and flying spaceships.


He was going to attend the New York Academy of Performing Arts. And live forever. And learn how to fly. High!
 
2012-08-29 10:50:38 PM
Now we need to find a trinary star system like Trisol

theinfosphere.org
 
2012-08-29 11:27:18 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I presume that the rebel alliance doesn't publicly advertise their training academy, and that the institution is an Imperial one. But maybe its like an independent maritime academy.


It was a respected institution of the old Republic that was made Imperial along with everything else but apparently remained a legitimate school. Palpatine didn't seem to have specifically anti-intellectual impulses, though obviously someone who blows up planets is going to cause a lot of collateral damage.
 
2012-08-30 03:53:54 AM
I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.

Nothing more.

It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.

He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

He kept everyone alive so he could make a sequel if needed, but I don't think he ever meant to go beyond two films, tops.

That movie was expected to tank, really.
 
2012-08-30 05:49:29 AM

ko_kyi: dittybopper: Princess Leia: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash."

That sounds like Princess Leia, who would have been familiar with the workings of the Empire, understood that Vader was under Tarkin's control.

Governor Tarkin: "Are they away?"
Darth Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace."
Governor Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

The implication is that if the plan fails the penalty for it failing would fall upon Tarkin, and that it was Vader's responsibility to implement it.

Plus, I don't buy the retconning of Vader releasing Motti just because hey, He's just delivering a message. The way Tarkin orders him to stop isn't that of equals, or of an ostensible subordinate, but of someone with higher rank and prestige telling a lesser personage to knock it off. It's not a request, it's an order: "Vader, release him!".

The leash comment could very well have been a way of saying "you think you are in charge but you aren't" in order to get a dig in on Vader.

I don't think of the Empire as a functional democracy with clear delineations of power as much as the 3rd Reich, where Hitler set up multiple parallel power structures (for example, Himmler, leading the SS and officially having no civilian rank at all, but de facto wielding immense influence) both for his own convenience and also probably to intentionally obscure who was "#2" to prevent a successor usurping power. On the other hand, it was a movie. I won't debate it with you, but think about my analogy.


In A New Hope, Vader knows exactly what the score is and he's playing along. He knows that the Imperial senate is a sham and soon going to be disbanded, so he plays along with the charade that he's not in charge and GMT calls the shots, all the while knowing the truth. Every now and then, he likes to give a little reminder that he's not to be farked with, (picking people up, choking etc) but in the main, he's content to maintain the illusion - just as the Emperor wills it.

.
 
2012-08-30 08:54:38 AM

studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.

Nothing more.

It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.

He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

He kept everyone alive so he could make a sequel if needed, but I don't think he ever meant to go beyond two films, tops.

That movie was expected to tank, really.


When it was released it wasn't called Episode IV. That wasn't in the text crawl until later.
 
2012-08-30 02:25:44 PM

studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.
Nothing more.
It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.
He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".


Huh?

Episode IV: A New Hope, as it is now offiically known, was released as simply "Star Wars". There was no bloody "Episode IV" nor "A New Hope" nor jack diddly. Just "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away .... Star Wars It is a period of civil war. rebel baseships blah blah blah."

He started the episode numbering with The Empire Strikes Back which confused the hell out of everyone when they saw "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back"
 
2012-08-30 03:45:14 PM

HopScotchNSoda: studebaker hoch: I think lucas used "Episode IV" as the title just to be different.
Nothing more.
It cost him zero, and added some interest to the text crawl scene.
He had NO way of knowing at that time that someday, he'd actuall have to make three goddamn films that go ahead of "Star Wars".

Huh?

Episode IV: A New Hope, as it is now offiically known, was released as simply "Star Wars". There was no bloody "Episode IV" nor "A New Hope" nor jack diddly. Just "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away .... Star Wars It is a period of civil war. rebel baseships blah blah blah."

He started the episode numbering with The Empire Strikes Back which confused the hell out of everyone when they saw "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back"


I wanted to tell you were wrong, but you weren't. The rerelease with "Episode IV: A New Hope" wasn't released until 1981.

You really think they would have rereleased it in '79, to kill Star Trek: The Motion Picture, establish the Episode numbering, and refresh the story in people's minds before Empire came out.
 
2012-08-30 09:57:20 PM
OK, I checked.

And you're right. No Episode IV in the original crawl.

I never saw the re-release. I must have picked it up on YouTube.

Replaying all those old classics, I guess some weren't so "classic", and were the rerocked crap GL was selling later.

/seeing that receding logo again, with those S's, made me a bit ill. I think I've had enough Star Wars.
 
2012-08-31 01:15:11 AM

StrikitRich: Old_Chief_Scott: Anyone besides me reminded of Asimov's "Nightfall"?


No, Clarke's 2010. Couldn't find a picture of the 2 suns from the end of the movie, though.


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