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(CNN)   Santorum: Almost half of all Americans are relying on government aid. CNN Fact Check: No. And by No, we mean Yes, But But Bush   (cnn.com) divider line 28
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2012-08-29 12:08:18 PM  
4 votes:

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


You mean like a Senator's salary?
2012-08-29 01:10:13 PM  
3 votes:
They guy that takes his dead baby home is giving a speech at a convention where they want a guy who straps a dog to the roof of his car to be President.

Jesus Christ.
2012-08-29 12:59:39 PM  
3 votes:
And if you include the aid of actually having a stable nation in which to accumulate anything beyond what you can carry... 99.999% of us do.

What - you have the money, at millions of dollars per mile, depending on the width of the road and the landscape it's to go through, to build the roads you use every year? Hell, the Tampa Bay Times Forum arena (location the Republican Party chose to host a convention with the "We Built This" theme) was built with taxpayer funds which accounted for $86 million (or 62%) of the total money needed to finance the construction of the stadium. For starters.

i301.photobucket.com 

It's like listening to a child screaming about how they do everything in the house and they should get to have what they want.
2012-08-29 12:23:09 PM  
3 votes:

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


Well of course they count them. They also count these people in their "49% of Americans pay no income tax" boondoggle. It's true, America. Retirees living off Social Security do not, in fact, pay income tax on that income. They already paid taxes on it when they were working. It was called the Social Security tax.
2012-08-29 12:00:52 PM  
3 votes:
Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").
2012-08-29 01:04:48 PM  
2 votes:
The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so.

I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted.

They seem to mistake the Point.

Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it.

All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition.

He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

-- Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris. Christmas Day, 1783. Seeing as Gov. Christie was so kind to remind us how much they honor what our Founding Fathers were for.
2012-08-29 12:55:31 PM  
2 votes:

bulldg4life: How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?


Not quite as badly as they suck at biology, history and human empathy, but still pretty badly.
2012-08-29 12:51:47 PM  
2 votes:
49% but the number includes more than just people receiving anti-poverty assistance. It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors -- programs that are funded by workers' payroll taxes and aren't typically associated with concerns about dependency. It also includes other benefits, such as worker's compensation or educational assistance for veterans.
2012-08-29 12:51:45 PM  
2 votes:

Garet Garrett: Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months.


Cut off roads and the electrical grid and see who survives then! It turns out 99% of Americans are on government assistance!
2012-08-29 12:46:17 PM  
2 votes:
This makes me sick. I've never had to use a government program. Other than mortgage interest deduction, studen loan interest deduction, student loans, pell grants and SBIRs.

voices.washingtonpost.com

Federal programs and the percentage of people polled who received aid from those programs yet told the poll taker that they had not received any government aid.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-29 12:07:46 PM  
2 votes:
And by "yes, but Bush" Subby means that the article didn't mention Bush once? Even indirectly?

Or is even mentioning the recession the same as blaming Bush?
2012-08-29 03:10:42 PM  
1 votes:
But the number includes more than just people receiving anti-poverty assistance. It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors -- programs that are funded by workers' payroll taxes and aren't typically associated with concerns about dependency. It also includes other benefits, such as worker's compensation or educational assistance for veterans.

Poor subby, must be scary when your world view is challenged daily.
2012-08-29 01:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

MyRandomName: Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").

Most intelligent people can discern assistance from welfare. Welfare is one type of assistance. Only liberals pertain to be too dumb to understand.


The biggest partisan douchebag on Fark thinks he is intelligent.
2012-08-29 01:15:13 PM  
1 votes:
Subtardmitter, reading is hard huh?

FTA:Misleading. The "nearly half" Santorum cited includes most seniors who receive Medicare and Social Security benefits, while a large portion of the increase in poverty-assistance programs is a result of the lingering effects of the 2007-2009 recession.

They didn't say it was untrue. they said it was misleading which it was.
2012-08-29 01:04:55 PM  
1 votes:
"the dream of freedom and opportunity has become a nightmare of dependence, with almost half of America receiving some sort of government assistance."

I wonder how many of that "almost half" are people like him who are scamming the system.
2012-08-29 01:03:33 PM  
1 votes:
100% of Americans receive government aid...when you factor in police, military, emergency response, disaster relief, interstate highway construction and maintenance, state highway construction and maintenance, postal services, power and communications infrastructure construction and maintenance...

End the welfare state! Abolish the military!
2012-08-29 01:02:27 PM  
1 votes:
I knew Santorum would be all over that convention. Republicans just can't get enough Santorum, no matter what they try to tell their wives and children.
2012-08-29 01:00:14 PM  
1 votes:
Isn't that a good thing? So why do I pay taxes? So they can give it away in the form of subsidies and monopsonistic contracts to billionaires?
2012-08-29 12:59:36 PM  
1 votes:
We should tear up every road and bridge and start over.

if you can't pave your own street and get around your town then you don't deserve anything America has to offer.

"American sucks and the government sucks and everything is completely broken. Elect me and I will prove it to you."

a tad derpy, but damn, they hate America. Well, they hate Americans. Wait, they hate poorer Americans.

/tilt
//restart
2012-08-29 12:56:40 PM  
1 votes:
I thought it was closer, ya know, to 100%. I mean everyone relies on the government. EVERYONE. No governmental aid means no roads, no police, no fire fighters, no national defense, no education, and no LAWS. Dumb argument is dumb
2012-08-29 12:49:57 PM  
1 votes:
How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?
2012-08-29 12:49:21 PM  
1 votes:
"It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors"


You run with that,GOP.
Shout it from the rooftops.
What could go wrong?
2012-08-29 12:48:57 PM  
1 votes:
Only half? His math is just wrong. See Job Creators need those low taxes and government subsidies to create those jobs, so the reality is 100% of all Americans depend on government aid.
2012-08-29 12:46:59 PM  
1 votes:

Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.


It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.
2012-08-29 12:24:22 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: Or is even mentioning the recession the same as blaming Bush?


I don't know about you, but it sure sounds like a guilty conscience to me.
2012-08-29 12:11:47 PM  
1 votes:

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


They both also seem to think that government is separate from the people it governs. But then, the people think that, as well, which is why most of them aren't really interested in fixing any problems within it.
2012-08-29 11:58:30 AM  
1 votes:
About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.
2012-08-29 11:50:39 AM  
1 votes:
And hey, whattaya know... when Mr. and Mrs. Santorum pass away, guess which one of their little tardlets is going to be completely dependent upon the state for her care and well-being? Assuming she doesn't die young, that is.
 
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