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2012-08-29 12:59:39 PM  
And if you include the aid of actually having a stable nation in which to accumulate anything beyond what you can carry... 99.999% of us do.

What - you have the money, at millions of dollars per mile, depending on the width of the road and the landscape it's to go through, to build the roads you use every year? Hell, the Tampa Bay Times Forum arena (location the Republican Party chose to host a convention with the "We Built This" theme) was built with taxpayer funds which accounted for $86 million (or 62%) of the total money needed to finance the construction of the stadium. For starters.

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It's like listening to a child screaming about how they do everything in the house and they should get to have what they want.
 
2012-08-29 12:59:50 PM  

Irving Maimway: So, if we kick all those seniors and venterans off the dole, that will fix everything!


exactly, the biggest problem with our economy right now is that too many people have means with which to feed themselves.
 
2012-08-29 01:00:14 PM  
Isn't that a good thing? So why do I pay taxes? So they can give it away in the form of subsidies and monopsonistic contracts to billionaires?
 
2012-08-29 01:02:21 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.

Not entirely. Certain expenses are deducted from income before taxes, such as mortgage interest.
impaler: Other than mortgage interest deduction, studen loan interest deduction

I wouldn't consider a deduction as receiving assistance from the government. Otherwise you could consider everyone with an income who takes any deductions or receives any credits as receiving assistance. Which would include the entire population. I think we're talking about transfers here, so Pell grants and SBIRs would count.


Tomato. Tomato.
I wouldn't consider letting the Bush-era tax cuts expire to be a tax increase, but some of our politicians do.
The fact is that most people (and lenders) consider the mortgage interest tax deduction when deciding how big a mortgage they can afford. It affects how houses are priced and it effectively becomes a subsidy to the seller.
 
2012-08-29 01:02:27 PM  
I knew Santorum would be all over that convention. Republicans just can't get enough Santorum, no matter what they try to tell their wives and children.
 
2012-08-29 01:02:46 PM  

bulldg4life: How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?


Speaking as a former Republican...

Logic's got nothing to do with it. It's all about machismo. Being Republican makes their dick hard with pride. Being an ignorant jackass is a good thing.
 
2012-08-29 01:03:33 PM  
100% of Americans receive government aid...when you factor in police, military, emergency response, disaster relief, interstate highway construction and maintenance, state highway construction and maintenance, postal services, power and communications infrastructure construction and maintenance...

End the welfare state! Abolish the military!
 
2012-08-29 01:03:37 PM  

Garet Garrett: Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.

Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months. Then you can tell me whether they think the government had been assisting them.

/Fact checkers should be fact checkers, and 49% is pretty damned near half. Want to biatch about the significance of a fact? Get an opinion page or a Fark account.


Are you dense?

Santorum is intentionally being dishonest, a stretch for him I know, by including things that were never ever included before when you had a discussion on people receiving federal aid. When ever legislators have this discussion they are only referring to "means-tested" benefits, not social security, veterans benefits, federal pensions, Pell Grants or student loans. People like Santorum, and apparently you, want to throw that stuff in with the number of people on means tested benefits to try to lie and claim that half of America can't take care of itself because of Obama, which isn't true.
 
2012-08-29 01:03:49 PM  
The stated goal of Fartbama is for 100% unemployment and 100% reliance on government aid. If you can't see The Truth™ of this, you're as stupid as a Liberal. Saul Alinsky. And you smell bad too.
 
2012-08-29 01:04:05 PM  

pippi longstocking: Isn't that a good thing? So why do I pay taxes? So they can give it away in the form of subsidies and monopsonistic contracts to billionaires?


You mean "job creators"?
 
2012-08-29 01:04:08 PM  

Graffito: It affects how houses are priced and it effectively becomes a subsidy to the seller.


And the buyer. The surplus is to both parties. But it is a transfer payment from people who don't own homes to those who do. It's redistribution of wealth.
 
2012-08-29 01:04:23 PM  

qorkfiend: Rick Santorum has received a government check every month for 28 out of the 32 years since he earned his bachelor's degree (1980).


But it's not a handout as he supplies valuable hot air and vast quantities of fertilizer in exchange.
 
2012-08-29 01:04:48 PM  
The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so.

I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted.

They seem to mistake the Point.

Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it.

All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition.

He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

-- Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris. Christmas Day, 1783. Seeing as Gov. Christie was so kind to remind us how much they honor what our Founding Fathers were for.
 
2012-08-29 01:04:55 PM  
"the dream of freedom and opportunity has become a nightmare of dependence, with almost half of America receiving some sort of government assistance."

I wonder how many of that "almost half" are people like him who are scamming the system.
 
2012-08-29 01:04:58 PM  
Why did Santorum stop at 49%?

Do you depend on some local water department for clean H2O? Then you're a dependent of Uncle Sam.
That'd get you at least into the 90's.
 
2012-08-29 01:05:22 PM  

impaler:
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Federal programs and the percentage of people polled who received aid from those programs yet told the poll taker that they had not received any government aid.


Let me just run down that list for you:

- I earned it
- I paid it
- I was owed it
- I deserved it
- I was owed it
- I earned it
- I paid into it
- I deserved it
- I paid into it, and earned it
- I deserved it
- I earned it
- I deserve it even though I'm opposed to everyone else having it
- I don't know what that is so it doesn't really count
- I deserve, earned, and paid for it
- That's a waste of tax money (except for mine.)
- See: Medicare
- I hate people getting this but see, I'm different, I have a real reason
- Ditto.
- Ditto again.

There. Your chart is invalid.
 
2012-08-29 01:05:49 PM  
It's a bullshiat talking point because they don't have a plan to change it and won't acknowledge their role in creating the problem.

So, enjoy the dog and pony show, kids. Nothing will change.
 
2012-08-29 01:06:13 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Speaking as a former Republican...
Logic's got nothing to do with it. It's all about machismo. Being Republican makes their dick hard with pride. Being an ignorant jackass is a good thing.


I've known a few Republicans now, and thinking has nothing to do with their politics.
 
2012-08-29 01:06:35 PM  

ongbok: Santorum is intentionally being dishonest


How can you tell the difference? Sometimes he's just accidentally dishonest. The real question is he an asshole or a retard? Assuming he's not both.
 
2012-08-29 01:06:55 PM  
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2012-08-29 01:07:20 PM  
and if us normal folk went around bashing our employer like these guys do....we would be FIRED!

Go Team Republican!

pukes


/fired up today....lunchtime
 
2012-08-29 01:08:24 PM  

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


Does that apply to businesses who receive checks from the government as well?
 
2012-08-29 01:09:13 PM  
Can we just cut to the chase and brush this off because Rick Santorum is a f*cking idiot?
 
2012-08-29 01:09:25 PM  

Karac: Why did Santorum stop at 49%?

Do you depend on some local water department for clean H2O? Then you're a dependent of Uncle Sam.
That'd get you at least into the 90's.


Are you kidding me? What about the U.S. Mint? In order to pay for anything, the government had to print money so you could pay for it.
 
2012-08-29 01:10:13 PM  
They guy that takes his dead baby home is giving a speech at a convention where they want a guy who straps a dog to the roof of his car to be President.

Jesus Christ.
 
2012-08-29 01:10:45 PM  
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2012-08-29 01:10:46 PM  

Muta: Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").

Does that apply to businesses who receive checks from the government as well?


O hai wat's going on in this thread?

thedailybanter.com
 
2012-08-29 01:11:05 PM  
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/554666_4565713429320_15185 40552_n.jpg

...FAT-man?

/too easy
 
2012-08-29 01:11:56 PM  

Garet Garrett: Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.

Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months. Then you can tell me whether they think the government had been assisting them.

/Fact checkers should be fact checkers, and 49% is pretty damned near half. Want to biatch about the significance of a fact? Get an opinion page or a Fark account.


If it is something you earned though service, or a benefit program you paid in to all of your life, I would hardly call it "assistance."
 
2012-08-29 01:12:10 PM  
Conservatives are real thinkerers, aren't they

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2012-08-29 01:12:20 PM  
This is one of those technically correct things. In GOP idiot voter minds, "some kind of government assistance" = they are on welfare. So you get to say something that is "factually correct" (50% of Americans receive some form of government air or assistance) while illiciting a response commiserate with telling a blatant lie (Obama put half of America on Welfare to buy their votes)
 
2012-08-29 01:12:59 PM  

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


Most intelligent people can discern assistance from welfare. Welfare is one type of assistance. Only liberals pertain to be too dumb to understand.
 
2012-08-29 01:13:46 PM  

keylock71: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 299x251]


I have a hard time believing that Chris Christies mother ever said no to him.

and just after Ms. Romney spoke about love, Christie goes on to tell us to chose truth over love. I thought that was kinda silly. don't they coordinate with one another?
 
2012-08-29 01:13:51 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Hell, I paid my taxes, then I bought something at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart paid it's worker with my money, then he had to pay taxes on that! It's double taxation! Plus, I totally own that worker because he was paid with my money, just like those dirty union state workers that are paid with my taxpayer money.


I bet you own some Walmart stock in one of the mutual funds in your 401K account. So you're paying those Walmart workers twice plus paying his taxes 3 times.
 
2012-08-29 01:13:54 PM  

CPennypacker: This is one of those technically correct things. In GOP idiot voter minds, "some kind of government assistance" = they are on welfare. So you get to say something that is "factually correct" (50% of Americans receive some form of government air or assistance) while illiciting a response commiserate with telling a blatant lie (Obama put half of America on Welfare to buy their votes)


That's actually exactly my interpretation as well. Well said.
 
2012-08-29 01:14:30 PM  

Jackpot777: The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so.

I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted.

They seem to mistake the Point.

Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it.

All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition.

He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

-- Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris. Christmas Day, 1783. Seeing as Gov. Christie was so kind to remind us how much they honor what our Founding Fathers were for.


"For my own part, I am not so well satisfied of the goodness of this thing. I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. -- I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. There is no country in the world where so many provisions are established for them; so many hospitals to receive them when they are sick or lame, founded and maintained by voluntary charities; so many alms-houses for the aged of both sexes, together with a solemn general law made by the rich to subject their estates to a heavy tax for the support of the poor. Under all these obligations, are our poor modest, humble, and thankful; and do they use their best endeavours to maintain themselves, and lighten our shoulders of this burthen? -- On the contrary, I affirm that there is no country in the world in which the poor are more idle, dissolute, drunken, and insolent. The day you passed that act, you took away from before their eyes the greatest of all inducements to industry, frugality, and sobriety, by giving them a dependance on somewhat else than a careful accumulation during youth and health, for support in age or sickness. In short, you offered a premium for the encouragement of idleness, and you should not now wonder that it has had its effect in the increase of poverty. Repeal that law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. St. Monday, and St. Tuesday, will cease to be holidays. SIX days shalt thou labour, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them. "

- Ben Franklin, Conservative Monster
 
2012-08-29 01:14:36 PM  

Irving Maimway: So, if we kick all those seniors and venterans off the dole, that will fix everything!


Look Gramps, you've had 65 years to sort things out -- you're on your own now!
 
2012-08-29 01:15:13 PM  
Subtardmitter, reading is hard huh?

FTA:Misleading. The "nearly half" Santorum cited includes most seniors who receive Medicare and Social Security benefits, while a large portion of the increase in poverty-assistance programs is a result of the lingering effects of the 2007-2009 recession.

They didn't say it was untrue. they said it was misleading which it was.
 
2012-08-29 01:15:31 PM  
Let me guess.... anybody receiving any government check from any government program counts as "aid" by Mr. Santorum's standard and by "aid" he means "dogwhistle for welfare".

Click link.... read article... huh, look at that. Exactly what it is.

Your dishonesty is far too transparent, guys. You need to ratchet the derp back about 100-fold.
 
2012-08-29 01:16:50 PM  

DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.


Do you not understand how utterly retarded taxing revenue would be? The average profit margin is well under 10% likewise individuals to pay a similar "profit" tax, as they are allowed deductions on taxable income. You do know what agi is correct?
 
2012-08-29 01:18:29 PM  

MyRandomName: DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.

Do you not understand how utterly retarded taxing revenue would be? The average profit margin is well under 10% likewise individuals to pay a similar "profit" tax, as they are allowed deductions on taxable income. You do know what agi is correct?


I don't believe I ever advocated paying taxes on revenue. And the deductions to gross income have very little relation to "expenses" in the sense that corporations get to write off. If it were, people would be able to write off food, clothing and shelter.
 
d3
2012-08-29 01:19:24 PM  
Isn't this proof that the safety net is working as intended? Lots of unemployed people need assistance right now. Let me know what the numbers look like when/if the economy gets going and people are hired again. I'm betting the percentages will shrink and not because of anything Congress does.
 
2012-08-29 01:19:45 PM  

Isitoveryet: keylock71: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 299x251]

I have a hard time believing that Chris Christies mother ever said no to him.

and just after Ms. Romney spoke about love, Christie goes on to tell us to chose truth over love. I thought that was kinda silly. don't they coordinate with one another?


She said "No" to him once... and then he ate her.

Yeah, 'cause if there's one word I think of when I think of Republicans, it's "Truth".
 
2012-08-29 01:22:58 PM  
 
2012-08-29 01:23:28 PM  
What's the percentage when you take out SSI and Medicare?

Those aren't welfare programs in any traditional, means-tested sense. Its a social agreement that todays workers take care of tomorrow's retirees, and tomorrow's workers take care of tomorrow's retirees.
 
2012-08-29 01:28:37 PM  

bulldg4life: How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?


potato?
 
2012-08-29 01:32:03 PM  

MyRandomName: Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").

Most intelligent people can discern assistance from welfare. Welfare is one type of assistance. Only liberals pertain to be too dumb to understand.


The biggest partisan douchebag on Fark thinks he is intelligent.
 
2012-08-29 01:33:48 PM  

d3: Isn't this proof that the safety net is working as intended? Lots of unemployed people need assistance right now. Let me know what the numbers look like when/if the economy gets going and people are hired again. I'm betting the percentages will shrink and not because of anything Congress does.


No. Nothing the government touches ever works as intended. Haven't you been paying attention?
 
2012-08-29 01:42:09 PM  
And by herpty derp Subby, I mean you're a low brow retard.
 
2012-08-29 01:45:02 PM  

Graffito: d3: Isn't this proof that the safety net is working as intended? Lots of unemployed people need assistance right now. Let me know what the numbers look like when/if the economy gets going and people are hired again. I'm betting the percentages will shrink and not because of anything Congress does.

No. Nothing the government touches ever works as intended. Haven't you been paying attention?


Nonsense, the government built the roads the mail man uses to bring me my welfare check. It works great!
 
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