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(CNN)   Santorum: Almost half of all Americans are relying on government aid. CNN Fact Check: No. And by No, we mean Yes, But But Bush   (cnn.com) divider line 129
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2012-08-29 11:50:39 AM  
And hey, whattaya know... when Mr. and Mrs. Santorum pass away, guess which one of their little tardlets is going to be completely dependent upon the state for her care and well-being? Assuming she doesn't die young, that is.
 
2012-08-29 11:58:30 AM  
About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.
 
2012-08-29 12:00:52 PM  
Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-29 12:07:46 PM  
And by "yes, but Bush" Subby means that the article didn't mention Bush once? Even indirectly?

Or is even mentioning the recession the same as blaming Bush?
 
2012-08-29 12:08:18 PM  

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


You mean like a Senator's salary?
 
2012-08-29 12:11:47 PM  

Bladel: Santorum (and subby?) seem to think that a check from the government of any kind is some sort of "assistance" (read: "welfare").


They both also seem to think that government is separate from the people it governs. But then, the people think that, as well, which is why most of them aren't really interested in fixing any problems within it.
 
2012-08-29 12:23:09 PM  

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


Well of course they count them. They also count these people in their "49% of Americans pay no income tax" boondoggle. It's true, America. Retirees living off Social Security do not, in fact, pay income tax on that income. They already paid taxes on it when they were working. It was called the Social Security tax.
 
2012-08-29 12:24:22 PM  

vpb: Or is even mentioning the recession the same as blaming Bush?


I don't know about you, but it sure sounds like a guilty conscience to me.
 
2012-08-29 12:25:59 PM  

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


Just part of the fark veterans and the elderly as much as possible platform.
 
2012-08-29 12:30:49 PM  
Boy, let me tell you I had it rough growing up.

I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

I was so ugly my mother used to feed me with a sling shot.

I came from a real tough neighborhood. Why, every time I shut the window I hurt somebody's fingers.
 
2012-08-29 12:37:32 PM  
So it just counts all old people.
 
2012-08-29 12:41:56 PM  
even if he took the best argument his has on the economy - that means-tested government aid has gone up since the economy tanked, how does an agenda of attacking gay people and women solve that problem?
 
2012-08-29 12:45:53 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.

Well of course they count them. They also count these people in their "49% of Americans pay no income tax" boondoggle. It's true, America. Retirees living off Social Security do not, in fact, pay income tax on that income. They already paid taxes on it when they were working. It was called the Social Security tax.


If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

If you recieve an income, you pay social security taxes on it. Then, after you hit 65, you recieve some of that money back as social security. Conservatives believe that because you do not again pay taxes on that original income, you are a teat-sucking freeloader, even though actually already have paid the IRS that money.
 
2012-08-29 12:46:17 PM  
This makes me sick. I've never had to use a government program. Other than mortgage interest deduction, studen loan interest deduction, student loans, pell grants and SBIRs.

voices.washingtonpost.com

Federal programs and the percentage of people polled who received aid from those programs yet told the poll taker that they had not received any government aid.
 
2012-08-29 12:46:59 PM  

Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.


It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.
 
2012-08-29 12:47:31 PM  
Never let facts interfere with what you want to believe.
 
2012-08-29 12:48:57 PM  
Only half? His math is just wrong. See Job Creators need those low taxes and government subsidies to create those jobs, so the reality is 100% of all Americans depend on government aid.
 
2012-08-29 12:49:16 PM  
Misleading. The "nearly half" Santorum cited includes most seniors who receive Medicare and Social Security benefits, while a large portion of the increase in poverty-assistance programs is a result of the lingering effects of the 2007-2009 recession.

That's right folks, citing Medicare, Social Security, and 2008/2009 is also known as "but but Bush!"

Hey you know what, we should be nice to subby. Let him keep criticizing Medicare and Social security, see how far that gets him.
 
2012-08-29 12:49:21 PM  
"It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors"


You run with that,GOP.
Shout it from the rooftops.
What could go wrong?
 
2012-08-29 12:49:33 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.

Well of course they count them. They also count these people in their "49% of Americans pay no income tax" boondoggle. It's true, America. Retirees living off Social Security do not, in fact, pay income tax on that income. They already paid taxes on it when they were working. It was called the Social Security tax.


I don't think it works that way.

If you overpay your estimated taxes and get a refund, you have to report that amount next year as income. Those on SS probably earn so little money and have other deductions that they wind up owing nothing. That part is likely true.
 
2012-08-29 12:49:57 PM  
How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?
 
2012-08-29 12:50:05 PM  

lennavan: Misleading. The "nearly half" Santorum cited includes most seniors who receive Medicare and Social Security benefits, while a large portion of the increase in poverty-assistance programs is a result of the lingering effects of the 2007-2009 recession.

That's right folks, citing Medicare, Social Security, and 2008/2009 is also known as "but but Bush!"

Hey you know what, we should be nice to subby. Let him keep criticizing Medicare and Social security, see how far that gets him.


FTFM
 
2012-08-29 12:50:21 PM  

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months. Then you can tell me whether they think the government had been assisting them.

/Fact checkers should be fact checkers, and 49% is pretty damned near half. Want to biatch about the significance of a fact? Get an opinion page or a Fark account.
 
2012-08-29 12:50:23 PM  
Do we include politicians salaries?
 
2012-08-29 12:50:45 PM  

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


That's gooooood number fudgin'!

/Kadath
 
2012-08-29 12:51:09 PM  
Maybe the problem is that too many jobs don't pay a living wage?
 
2012-08-29 12:51:45 PM  

Garet Garrett: Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months.


Cut off roads and the electrical grid and see who survives then! It turns out 99% of Americans are on government assistance!
 
2012-08-29 12:51:47 PM  
49% but the number includes more than just people receiving anti-poverty assistance. It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors -- programs that are funded by workers' payroll taxes and aren't typically associated with concerns about dependency. It also includes other benefits, such as worker's compensation or educational assistance for veterans.
 
2012-08-29 12:52:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.


Not entirely. Certain expenses are deducted from income before taxes, such as mortgage interest.

impaler: Other than mortgage interest deduction, studen loan interest deduction


I wouldn't consider a deduction as receiving assistance from the government. Otherwise you could consider everyone with an income who takes any deductions or receives any credits as receiving assistance. Which would include the entire population. I think we're talking about transfers here, so Pell grants and SBIRs would count.
 
2012-08-29 12:52:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.


Hell, I paid my taxes, then I bought something at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart paid it's worker with my money, then he had to pay taxes on that! It's double taxation! Plus, I totally own that worker because he was paid with my money, just like those dirty union state workers that are paid with my taxpayer money.
 
2012-08-29 12:52:22 PM  
Y KANT SUBBI READ
 
2012-08-29 12:52:29 PM  

Garet Garrett: Let's do an experiment: cut off Social Security and Medicare for a couple months. Then you can tell me whether they think the government had been assisting them.


Yes, let's do that.

But, let's make sure to point out that the GOP hates the idea of all those people getting that dependence. Can't wait for that experiment to start.
 
2012-08-29 12:52:30 PM  
Not so much B-b-but Bush as B-b-but Roosevelt
 
2012-08-29 12:52:59 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Not entirely. Certain expenses are deducted from income before taxes, such as mortgage interest.


Yes, those things we have specifically carved out in order to promote those activities. Hardly the same thing.
 
2012-08-29 12:53:17 PM  

DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.


And if an individual collects UI, that counts as "income" and is taxed. Did AIG/Goldman pay taxes on their bailout money?
 
2012-08-29 12:53:28 PM  

impaler: This makes me sick. I've never had to use a government program. Other than mortgage interest deduction, studen loan interest deduction, student loans, pell grants and SBIRs.

[voices.washingtonpost.com image 611x374]

Federal programs and the percentage of people polled who received aid from those programs yet told the poll taker that they had not received any government aid.


Let's see, students, veterans, mortgage owners, children, and people who paid into social security and unemployment. These people are clearly all worthless leeches on society and should just go get a damned job instead of taking money out of my pocket!
 
2012-08-29 12:53:45 PM  
Rick Santorum has received a government check every month for 28 out of the 32 years since he earned his bachelor's degree (1980).
 
2012-08-29 12:53:52 PM  

Gwendolyn: Just part of the fark veterans and the elderly as much as possible platform.


Naturally. Since the veterans are no longer fighting in some god forsaken hellhole to make some government official money, they don't care about them anymore.
 
2012-08-29 12:54:15 PM  

Dr Dreidel: DamnYankees: Karac: If your corporation recieves income, it pays a tax. If it then pays you your salary, you pay tax. This is the hellish double taxation of job creators that conservatives swear will destroy our nation, despite the fact that it was two different people that were paying those taxes.

It's even worse than that - corporations pay income tax on profit, not revenue. They get to write of expenses. Individuals don't.

And if an individual collects UI, that counts as "income" and is taxed. Did AIG/Goldman pay taxes on their bailout money?


You don't pay taxes on loans, to be fair. Either corporate or individual.
 
2012-08-29 12:54:31 PM  

Bladel: About half--but only if you count Medicare & Social Security recipients, and veterans benefits.

Gotcha.


I'm curious about these numbers. Specifically before the war started to now. But hey, war is good for business right?
 
2012-08-29 12:55:31 PM  

bulldg4life: How bad must you suck at math and logic to be a republican?


Not quite as badly as they suck at biology, history and human empathy, but still pretty badly.
 
2012-08-29 12:56:17 PM  
He was addressing the convention attendees and was kind enough not to name names.
 
2012-08-29 12:56:30 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: I'm curious about these numbers. Specifically before the war started to now. But hey, war is good for business right?


It is for Halliburton.
 
2012-08-29 12:56:40 PM  
I thought it was closer, ya know, to 100%. I mean everyone relies on the government. EVERYONE. No governmental aid means no roads, no police, no fire fighters, no national defense, no education, and no LAWS. Dumb argument is dumb
 
2012-08-29 12:56:59 PM  

Isitoveryet: He was addressing the convention attendees and was kind enough not to name names.


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-08-29 12:57:21 PM  
Truthiness, taking on a whole new form at the GOP convention.
 
2012-08-29 12:57:28 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: 49% but the number includes more than just people receiving anti-poverty assistance. It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors -- programs that are funded by workers' payroll taxes and aren't typically associated with concerns about dependency. It also includes other benefits, such as worker's compensation or educational assistance for veterans.


I BLAME OBAMA FOR KEEPING GRANDMA ALIVE AND FOR HELPING VETERANS RECEIVE A DEGREE

SLACKERS
 
2012-08-29 12:58:45 PM  
So, if we kick all those seniors and venterans off the dole, that will fix everything!
 
2012-08-29 12:58:54 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: 49% but the number includes more than just people receiving anti-poverty assistance. It also includes Social Security and Medicare, the federal pension and health care programs for seniors -- programs that are funded by workers' payroll taxes and aren't typically associated with concerns about dependency. It also includes other benefits, such as worker's compensation or educational assistance for veterans.


All of which the Republicans want to eliminate. Yes, even veteran's benefits.
 
2012-08-29 12:59:36 PM  
We should tear up every road and bridge and start over.

if you can't pave your own street and get around your town then you don't deserve anything America has to offer.

"American sucks and the government sucks and everything is completely broken. Elect me and I will prove it to you."

a tad derpy, but damn, they hate America. Well, they hate Americans. Wait, they hate poorer Americans.

/tilt
//restart
 
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