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(ESPN)   NFLPA to NFL: "Why haven't you agreed to a deal with the referees? This is just absurd and we are not afraid to strike if a deal is not reached"   (espn.go.com ) divider line 118
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2012-08-29 01:10:30 PM  
Haha... would be funny if this year turned out to be the year we lost NFL games, as opposed to last year when everyone was expecting it.
 
2012-08-29 01:46:55 PM  
I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s. 
 
2012-08-29 01:57:35 PM  
If the players strike and fark up my fantasy draft I'm going to be pissed!
 
2012-08-29 02:22:42 PM  

I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.


They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.
 
2012-08-29 02:51:16 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.

They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.


at least we may not have to listen to Joe Buck as much then...
 
2012-08-29 02:51:22 PM  
It could be a really cold winter if the NFL strikes and the NHL gets locked out.
 
2012-08-29 02:57:08 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: It could be a really cold winter if the NFL strikes and the NHL gets locked out.


You have two choices:

www.puertoricodaytrips.com

~ or ~

rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-29 02:57:52 PM  

I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.


They may have an out for player safety. These replacement referees have been downright terrible.
 
2012-08-29 02:59:11 PM  
Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".
 
2012-08-29 03:00:11 PM  
The NFL must think the extensive replay review system now in place somewhat mitigates the need for experienced pros in the striped shirts. Recently seeing more than one DB tagged for 15 yards on a grounded shoulder hit to he chest indicates otherwise.

NFL has just announced that the regular season will begin with the replacements.
 
2012-08-29 03:01:04 PM  
Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.
 
2012-08-29 03:02:09 PM  
fark them.

Seriously, fark them. Make some money for yourselves, if you gamble. Take Vanderbilt and take them now. Trust me.
 
2012-08-29 03:04:58 PM  
Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.
 
2012-08-29 03:09:01 PM  

Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


Know how I know you don't watch any football on TV?
 
2012-08-29 03:09:37 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


I'd like to know this also now that Yahoo has joined in on this nonsense.
 
2012-08-29 03:10:32 PM  

Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.
 
2012-08-29 03:12:08 PM  

IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.


And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.
 
2012-08-29 03:12:16 PM  

Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement


Do you have some sort of expanded package thru DirecTV specially made for sh*t early-season games? "Cupcake Saturday Ticket" or something?
 
2012-08-29 03:12:48 PM  

lecavalier: CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.

I'd like to know this also now that Yahoo has joined in on this nonsense.


If you pause the video you should see an option to turn Autoplay off on the bottom of the video player.
 
2012-08-29 03:13:01 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


I imagine they use a browser cookie to save your preference,. If you are refusing them from ESPN, that could be the issue.
 
2012-08-29 03:14:02 PM  
it is absurd. the nfl is a multibillion dollar industry with growing revenues everywhere. the fact that they can't settle a dispute with the officials who call the games is absurd. it's a drop in the bucket.

/of course i don't really care as i don't watch the nfl that much.
 
2012-08-29 03:14:27 PM  

Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college the CFL is better anyway".


/YMMV
//Thinks four-down football is dull
///Go Stamps!
 
2012-08-29 03:16:31 PM  

A Fark Handle: it is absurd. the nfl is a multibillion dollar industry with growing revenues everywhere. the fact that they can't settle a dispute with the officials who call the games is absurd. it's a drop in the bucket.

/of course i don't really care as i don't watch the nfl that much.


Yep.

Is it possible to love professional (and college) football but hate the NFL? I guess it is like marriage. "Deal with it for the kids!" I deal with the NFL's nonsense for the football.
 
2012-08-29 03:16:38 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


The Flashblock extension for Firefox cured me of all autoplaying videos everywhere.
 
2012-08-29 03:16:51 PM  

IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.


Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless. If I wanted to watch no defense played at all, I'd watch basketball...or the AFL :P
 
2012-08-29 03:19:44 PM  

Lou Cypher: The NFL must think the extensive replay review system now in place somewhat mitigates the need for experienced pros in the striped shirts. Recently seeing more than one DB tagged for 15 yards on a grounded shoulder hit to he chest indicates otherwise.

NFL has just announced that the regular season will begin with the replacements.


This and more - the number of miscalls because the ref is confused between the college and pro games is ridiculous. And if there are too many replays (there already are in the new rules) it will kill the game by destroying the flow. I'm already wearing out the 30 second fast forward button on my remote. The professional refs have a hard enough job to do with the new replay abilities. Pay them you greedy ownerbastards.
 
2012-08-29 03:20:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.


So are many NFL games. I agree with the idea that close doesn't mean good. But when you have the opportunity to watch dozens of games and you're not wanting to watch it because of the blowouts...well, there are dozens of games that are close. So no, the reason you don't watch college football isn't because of the blowouts.

/every game the Giants play is f*cking boring, but guess who is going to get them crammed down his throat by regional NFL programming all year?
 
2012-08-29 03:20:12 PM  

lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.


Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......
 
2012-08-29 03:26:02 PM  

IAmRight: AdmirableSnackbar: Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.

So are many NFL games. I agree with the idea that close doesn't mean good. But when you have the opportunity to watch dozens of games and you're not wanting to watch it because of the blowouts...well, there are dozens of games that are close. So no, the reason you don't watch college football isn't because of the blowouts.

/every game the Giants play is f*cking boring, but guess who is going to get them crammed down his throat by regional NFL programming all year?


I don't get to watch much college football because Saturday is a rugby day. Otherwise I'd watch every weekend. But there is a TON of bad college football and only around 10-16 teams worth a damn.

I don't need to see a defensive struggle - although I thought LSU-Bama I and II last year were both enjoyable in their own ways - but I do love watching quality defensive play. So I realize that our definitions of "boring" are different, but there are much worse NFL teams you could be forced to watch - although do you not know about first row sports?
 
2012-08-29 03:28:23 PM  

Leeds37: lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.

Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......


I will always remember that game because I was laughed at for taking West Virginia. HA on them!
 
2012-08-29 03:35:51 PM  
So there are seven officials on the field at any given time. I heard the booth replay guys are actual league employees and not part of this CBA so with sixteen max games a week you are looking at 112 officials.

How much money could they be haggling over? Doesn't seem like it could be much in the grand scheme of the NFL payroll.
 
2012-08-29 03:38:54 PM  

eagles95: antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.

They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.

at least we may not have to listen to Joe Buck as much then...


"Brees takes the snap from center, takes his five step drop, he holds it...holds it...holds it...rolls right, looking for an open receiver...holds it...holds it...rolls back to his left..."

JC
 
2012-08-29 03:39:48 PM  

Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


There is always a good game on for college ball. Michigan and Alabama is going to be good, and watching Georgia Tech stomp on another over rated VA Tech team is also a delight.
 
2012-08-29 03:41:47 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.


Not to rail too far off topic, but what especially annoys me with those kind of games in the mid-majors is that they're painfully predictable. Due to the emergence of the spread offenses (I'm mostly talking about the pass-happy ones here, so forget the Oregons of the world for now), defensive coordinators working with at best average talent just surrender to play soft zones and 10-yard cushions if they DARE try man-to-man coverage, which means: Few big, "exciting" plays because the defense is in a horrendously deep soft shell, and the entire game plays out like "death by 10,000 10 yard slant routes" up and down the damn field. 

Watching a random NFL team do a simple 7 on 7 drill during practice is probably just as entertaining.
 
2012-08-29 03:42:24 PM  

lecavalier: Leeds37: lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.

Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......

I will always remember that game because I was laughed at for taking West Virginia. HA on them!


Good for you. Screw Clemson.
 
2012-08-29 03:42:24 PM  
For the half of you who are really here because you are jonesing for football to start...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286445/jr-moehringer-120-reasons-w h y-football-last-forever-espn-magazine

That was a really fun article and nicely written I must say. Warning: Long
 
2012-08-29 03:46:26 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s. 

They may have an out for player safety. These replacement referees have been downright terrible.


How many suspensions have been handed out for illegal hits during the preseason? Any fines? How many quarerbacks or wide receivers have gone out with concussions (you know, the only players who have rules in place to protect them)? How about injuries as a result of clipping or other illegal play?
 
2012-08-29 03:46:59 PM  
Fark the refs. The new guys are learning.
 
2012-08-29 03:48:23 PM  

Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".


In that the players aren't as skilled, the game isn't as fast, and vastly fewer competitive games are played, sure.
 
2012-08-29 03:49:02 PM  
I might be getting Ravens v Steelers tickets this year, so they better not eff this up!
 
2012-08-29 03:49:29 PM  
 
2012-08-29 04:01:19 PM  

bojon: Fark the refs. The new guys are learning.


Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!
Of course the owners won't give an inch. Why should they? Unless people stop watching or buying merch in large enough numbers they still make obscene profits.
 
2012-08-29 04:05:02 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I don't need to see a defensive struggle - although I thought LSU-Bama I and II last year were both enjoyable in their own ways - but I do love watching quality defensive play. So I realize that our definitions of "boring" are different, but there are much worse NFL teams you could be forced to watch - although do you not know about first row sports?


I know about it - streaming quality is not quite HD quality, especially if I want to watch it on TV. Figures that the Seahawks finally get entertaining when I'm out of their broadcast zone.

As for the Giants, I don't know what it is about them, I just don't care about them one way or another. Hell, even in their Super Bowls, I couldn't be upset because hey, they beat the Patriots. But I couldn't be happy, because f*ck Eli Manning (though he does a good job of proving how completely irrelevant playoffs render the regular season). I just feel nothing about any of the NY teams. They're all "meh".

I dunno, the NFL is largely a 6-10 to 10-6 league, so it's just a case of "hey, who's going to catch the breaks today" in most cases.

/I kinda enjoy both, but college is way more fun, especially to go to a game
 
2012-08-29 04:05:56 PM  

cendojr: Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!


Why do they merit more pay? The regular refs suck as bad as the replacement refs.
 
2012-08-29 04:10:36 PM  

Killer Cars: AdmirableSnackbar: A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.

Not to rail too far off topic, but what especially annoys me with those kind of games in the mid-majors is that they're painfully predictable. Due to the emergence of the spread offenses (I'm mostly talking about the pass-happy ones here, so forget the Oregons of the world for now), defensive coordinators working with at best average talent just surrender to play soft zones and 10-yard cushions if they DARE try man-to-man coverage, which means: Few big, "exciting" plays because the defense is in a horrendously deep soft shell, and the entire game plays out like "death by 10,000 10 yard slant routes" up and down the damn field. 

Watching a random NFL team do a simple 7 on 7 drill during practice is probably just as entertaining.


To each their own, I guess, but I love my midweek MACtion. That NIU 63, Toledo 60 game was awesome, and that's coming from a Bama fan who will defend to the death last year's Game of the Century I against LSU. The thing that's great about college football is the randomness of it all. I remember getting wasted on a random Friday night last year after Iowa State shocked Oklahoma State. There was a fantastic MAC game a few years ago that got so inundated with fog that ESPN had to stop using their press box cameras and start shooting every play from field level. Sure, you get the occasional 70-3 game but pretty much every other game provides something interesting to watch.
 
2012-08-29 04:12:07 PM  

meanmutton: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

In that the players aren't as skilled, the game isn't as fast, and vastly fewer competitive games are played, sure.


I was going to ask what you mean till I checked your profile and see you are in Eastern MI country. You have my sympathy.
 
2012-08-29 04:12:27 PM  
I never watched the CFL until last year. I don't get as emotionally involved as I do for NFL play, but the CFL is pretty cool.
 
2012-08-29 04:13:37 PM  

IAmRight:
I know about it - streaming quality is not quite HD quality, especially if I want to watch it on TV. Figures that the Seahawks finally get entertaining when I'm out of their broadcast zone.


The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie. They've got WR problems to the degree they were looking at Terrell farking Owens. They've got an offensive line that is just and old and busted as it was last year (and the year before that.) They've still got no consistent pass rush on the left side. They have fast corners that can't tackle, and a safety that is going to get suspended because he can't seem to get the new tackling rules into his brain.

On paper, they look OK. In reality, they'll be lucky to be .500.
 
2012-08-29 04:13:47 PM  

IAmRight: cendojr: Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!

Why do they merit more pay? The regular refs suck as bad as the replacement refs.


It's more my general distaste for the Circuit City model of employment. "You're experienced and more productive now, awesome. What's that? You want to be paid more based on your improved production? Take a hike, we'll get this new guy instead." At high levels of anything you need experienced personnel and this would make that experience valueless.
 
2012-08-29 04:16:53 PM  

Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie.


I happen to think you are incorrect.

But that was pretty funny.
 
2012-08-29 04:20:02 PM  

Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie. They've got WR problems to the degree they were looking at Terrell farking Owens. They've got an offensive line that is just and old and busted as it was last year (and the year before that.) They've still got no consistent pass rush on the left side. They have fast corners that can't tackle, and a safety that is going to get suspended because he can't seem to get the new tackling rules into his brain.


Yawn. Alternatively, they've been the breakout team of the preseason, their "dwarf rookie" has outperformed EVERY other QB in the NFL over that span (not to mention the fact that the "career backup" was backup to the best QB in the NFL for the past couple of years). Their WRs are solid coontil they get injured again) - Rice and Edwards are upgrades over Mike Williams (and they have everyone else that they had before). Their line is old? You sound like you haven't paid attention with anything. (they do always get injured though). They have the best secondary in the NFL, and the pass rush will improve. Thus far, they've gotten Matt Hasselbeck benched, made Peyton Manning look dumb, and clowned Cassel.

See, they look great on the field, not so much on paper.

/the problem is that the schedule is f*cking brutal
 
2012-08-29 04:20:44 PM  
The players weren't going to strike when it was in their own self-interest. You think they're going to do it for the refs?
 
2012-08-29 04:21:59 PM  

MensRea: The players weren't going to strike when it was in their own self-interest. You think they're going to do it for the refs?


The stakes are smaller. The increase in official pay would be a pittance to the owners. It is probably a bluff.
 
2012-08-29 04:22:23 PM  

JohnBigBootay: For the half of you who are really here because you are jonesing for football to start...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286445/jr-moehringer-120-reasons-w h y-football-last-forever-espn-magazine

That was a really fun article and nicely written I must say. Warning: Long


Holy crap, 120 reasons?
 
2012-08-29 04:22:23 PM  

Resolute: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college the CFL is better anyway".

/YMMV
//Thinks four-down football is dull
///Go Stamps!


You're Canadian, so it goes without saying that no cares on your views of American Football. Now, if you've got some insightful information on hockey... you've got my attention. Because as someone who hasn't seen a lot of the sport, I still find it a total farking mystery.
 
2012-08-29 04:26:21 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie.

I happen to think you are incorrect.



Well, that's why they play the games, I guess. We will know for sure in a few weeks.

But that was pretty funny.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little farked up maybe, but I'm funny how? I mean funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to farkin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
 
2012-08-29 04:26:35 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: So there are seven officials on the field at any given time. I heard the booth replay guys are actual league employees and not part of this CBA so with sixteen max games a week you are looking at 112 officials.

How much money could they be haggling over? Doesn't seem like it could be much in the grand scheme of the NFL payroll.


I could be wrong, but I thought the largest hurdle was that NFL wanted full time ref's... ya know, claiming to "better their product".
 
2012-08-29 04:26:36 PM  

Resolute: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college the CFL is better anyway".

/YMMV
//Thinks four-down football is dull
///Go Stamps!


Aren't you afraid some players will get lost in the big expanse called an end zone and starve before they can find their way back to the bench?
 
2012-08-29 04:27:32 PM  

dletter: Haha... would be funny if this year turned out to be the year we lost NFL games, as opposed to last year when everyone was expecting it.


A second term for Obama, a year without football - I'm not sure what to ask the genie for my third wish...
 
2012-08-29 04:30:23 PM  

IAmRight: cendojr: Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!

Why do they merit more pay? The regular refs suck as bad as the replacement refs.


No the replacements are worse. And it's not just an issue of bad calls - it's flow of the game, ensuring player safety, and, above all, keeping shiat under control (really the main reason the refs exist). You're not going to control really really really big adults if you look (and, in many cases, are) confused and out of your depth.

The NFL is being cheap and shortsighted. So I guess they are following the 21st century business model.
 
2012-08-29 04:30:34 PM  
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2012-08-29 04:32:18 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Holy crap, 120 reasons?


I only need one myself, but still a fun article.
 
2012-08-29 04:35:37 PM  

Rent Party: Well, that's why they play the games, I guess. We will know for sure in a few weeks.

But that was pretty funny.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little farked up maybe, but I'm funny how? I mean funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to farkin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?



Nothing to worry about. I just got a chuckle out of the competition between career backup and dwarf rookie quip. I shouldn't laugh. And it's 'little people' anyway. I think. Sometimes it gets changed and no one tells me.
 
2012-08-29 04:36:43 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: How much money could they be haggling over? Doesn't seem like it could be much in the grand scheme of the NFL payroll.


it's not. the nfl is just being a bigger bunch of dicks than usual.
 
2012-08-29 04:39:35 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.

They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.


With how bad these refs are, that might be preferable to them playing. I have to wonder why the NFL doesn't have full time paid refs like the major college leagues do.
 
2012-08-29 04:42:14 PM  
Well like most of the things DeMaurice Smith says, I am sure this is an empty threat. The strike would hurt not just themselves, but everything and everybody else around them.
 
2012-08-29 04:42:46 PM  

ha-ha-guy: With how bad these refs are, that might be preferable to them playing. I have to wonder why the NFL doesn't have full time paid refs like the major college leagues do.


i would assume that it is because the owners are cheap ass douchecanoes.
 
2012-08-29 04:43:03 PM  

Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".


Sure, if you like amateur sports that create weird, cult-like environments.
 
2012-08-29 04:47:34 PM  

ha-ha-guy: antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener:

With how bad these refs are, that might be preferable to them playing. I have to wonder why the NFL doesn't have full time paid refs like the major college leagues do.


uh, I think that is what they were trying to accomplish... they actually want full time refs.
 
2012-08-29 04:49:12 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie. They've got WR problems to the degree they were looking at Terrell farking Owens. They've got an offensive line that is just and old and busted as it was last year (and the year before that.) They've still got no consistent pass rush on the left side. They have fast corners that can't tackle, and a safety that is going to get suspended because he can't seem to get the new tackling rules into his brain.

Yawn. Alternatively, they've been the breakout team of the preseason,


Oh, you're one of those that thinks preseason actually means anything. They were the "breakout" preseason team in 2009, too, and finished the regular season 7-9.

their "dwarf rookie" has outperformed EVERY other QB in the NFL over that span

In his one start against first team defenses? In the preseason? Yeah, that's an accomplishment.

Do you know what they call highly touted rookies? "Someone that hasn't done shiat in the NFL."

(not to mention the fact that the "career backup" was backup to the best QB in the NFL for the past couple of years).


Backup. Exactly. With exactly 2 starts to his name, with one of the best offenses in the league in front of him.

Their WRs are solid coontil they get injured again) - Rice and Edwards are upgrades over Mike Williams (and they have everyone else that they had before).

Their WRs are a bunch of #2 and slot guys. There isn't a single guy on the squad that can break coverage. Hence the interest in a basket case like TO.


Their line is old? You sound like you haven't paid attention with anything. (they do always get injured though).


I sound like a guy that knows football, and not just some "we're #1!!!lolz" homer. Here's some more facts. That offensive line was ranked 29th out of 32 teams last year. They gave up more sacks than all but three teams and allowed more QB hits than any other team in the league. They were absolutely horrible. To address that need, the Sadhawks drafted exactly 1 lineman (in the 7th round, woo!) that they're asking to convert from tackle to guard. Since then, they added an undrafted free agent at guard, a dude that was waived outright from the Bears, and a bunch of tight ends. And they're going to need them, because they're going to have to block because this pack can't, and hasn't, and isn't likely to start. It's the same group of people that was one of the worst OL's in football last year.

They have the best secondary in the NFL,

Well, they're fast, and can't tackle, or they're aggressive, and are going to get suspended. It's a bright spot, but two guys aren't going to win games for you on D.

and the pass rush will improve.

On what, exactly, do you base this? Clemons had 11 sacks last year. The next closest dude was a LB at 4. Did they bring in some stud to shore up the left side? No? Oh, OK then.


Thus far, they've gotten Matt Hasselbeck benched, made Peyton Manning look dumb, and clowned Cassel.


See my previous comments on preseason games. They are meaningless.

the problem is that the schedule is f*cking brutal

For mediocre football teams, any NFL schedule is brutal.
 
2012-08-29 04:49:23 PM  
They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.

I don't know how you got ahold of the Browns offensive playbook, but you better give it back or you're in a heap of trouble, mister!
 
2012-08-29 04:49:38 PM  

muck4doo: Threadjack here. Fark UFIA league for fantasy football has 3 non-returning people this season, which is surprising considering they were there for the 3 previous seasons, if you'd like to join e-mail me at yahoo mail. muck4doo at yahoo dot com. The draft is taking place at 4:45 PM central time on Sunday the 2nd. End threadjack.


Yeah, I need some fresh meat!!!!

/Two-time Fark league champion
 
2012-08-29 04:51:07 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: Well, that's why they play the games, I guess. We will know for sure in a few weeks.

But that was pretty funny.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little farked up maybe, but I'm funny how? I mean funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to farkin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?


Nothing to worry about. I just got a chuckle out of the competition between career backup and dwarf rookie quip. I shouldn't laugh. And it's 'little people' anyway. I think. Sometimes it gets changed and no one tells me.


I just like Goodfellas, so I try to take advantage of my opportunities.
 
2012-08-29 04:52:06 PM  
In the second video tat auto-played, John Clayton said that there are two points that need to be worked out and neither is money. First is the pension plan that the NFL doesn't want to fund but the officials do and second is the number of crews. The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.
 
2012-08-29 04:55:27 PM  

Rent Party: That offensive line was ranked 29th out of 32 teams last year.


Not due to age; due to injuries. Why didn't they draft any more? Because they drafted two last year, who were injured all last year, and were expected to play this season. Now, if you want to go with busted because they keep getting f*cking injured all the time, then fine. But "old" is silly (unless you're talking about the desperation signings after they get hurt).

Rent Party: Oh, you're one of those that thinks preseason actually means anything.


It doesn't mean a lot, but yes, it does mean something. If it didn't mean ANYthing, they wouldn't have it.
 
2012-08-29 04:55:41 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie.

I happen to think you are incorrect.

But that was pretty funny.


Thing about Wilson is, so many teams -- CLE, MIA, WAS, IND, etc. -- all went into this draft looking for their next starting QB. Many more -- OAK, NE, JAX, AZ, MIN, etc. -- could sorely use the next big thing in-house ASAP. Yet Wilson wasn't on anyone's radar, nobody was talking him up pre-draft, and he ended up going at #75.

Yeah yeah yeah, Brady was a 7th rounder, but aside from him and Kurt Warner when's the last time a QB came outta nowhere and actually surprised anyone? Hell, Brady and Andy Dalton (and whoever sucks the least in AZ) might be the only Week 1 starters that weren't first rounders.

Plus, I'm taller and heavier than Wilson, and I've been around a bunch of NFL players and man, they make you feel like a child. He's going to break once a real DT or even a decent DE gets a hold of him.

But, best of luck. I'd like to see a good year out of SEA. God knows the fans have earned it.
 
2012-08-29 04:57:38 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Sure, if you like amateur sports that create weird, cult-like environments.


ideaelevator.co

Ok
 
2012-08-29 04:58:19 PM  

INeedAName: I might be getting Ravens v Steelers tickets this year, so they better not eff this up!


How you doin'?
 
2012-08-29 04:59:31 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Yeah yeah yeah, Brady was a 7th rounder, but aside from him and Kurt Warner when's the last time a QB came outta nowhere and actually surprised anyone? Hell, Brady and Andy Dalton (and whoever sucks the least in AZ) might be the only Week 1 starters that weren't first rounders.


Top 6 QBs:

Aaron Rodgers (1st round, but late)
Tom Brady (6th round)
Drew Brees (2nd round)
Tony Romo (undrafted)
Matt Stafford (No. 1 overall)
Matt Schaub (3rd round)

Well, clearly no one succeeds after the first round.
 
2012-08-29 05:00:04 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.


That's a money issue right there. Unless the refs work on a yearly salary then the NFL is saying "work the same non-game hours but get paid less".
 
2012-08-29 05:00:17 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: That offensive line was ranked 29th out of 32 teams last year.

Not due to age; due to injuries. Why didn't they draft any more? Because they drafted two last year, who were injured all last year, and were expected to play this season. Now, if you want to go with busted because they keep getting f*cking injured all the time, then fine. But "old" is silly (unless you're talking about the desperation signings after they get hurt).


Well, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped. The fact still remains that this line is the same old line (see how that works) that we had last year that sucked, and things don't look much better now. They've done nothing to improve it. And if that's because they're fragile and injured all the time is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that Mr. Career Backup or Shorty the Rookie are going to spend a lot of time on their backs.


Rent Party: Oh, you're one of those that thinks preseason actually means anything.

It doesn't mean a lot, but yes, it does mean something. If it didn't mean ANYthing, they wouldn't have it.


It is meaningful to the coaches that have to trim rosters and bubble players looking for a contract. From a team standpoint, it means nothing.
 
2012-08-29 05:05:21 PM  

cendojr: GreatGlavinsGhost: The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.

That's a money issue right there. Unless the refs work on a yearly salary then the NFL is saying "work the same non-game hours but get paid less".


Well, I meant there were no salary issues. But, yeah it looks like the NFL really doesn't like union protections. The players are all now in an "association" and well, fark the refs. If Reagan can disband air traffic controllers, the NFL can dump on-field refs and just have everybody tweet what they think the call should be.
 
2012-08-29 05:09:48 PM  
Locking out the players was bad enough. But hey, it's millionaires vs. billionaires.

Locking out the refs is just awful. I'm not sure if I'll bother watching the NFL this year - between the owners' disgusting greed and their willingness to put out a substandard product by abandoning competent officiating, I don't want to give them better ratings.
 
2012-08-29 05:16:58 PM  

Rent Party: They were the "breakout" preseason team in 2009, too, and finished the regular season 7-9.


No, they weren't. They won games but no one was impressed by their first-team work. The first-team offense scored more in that KC game than they did all 2009's preseason.
 
2012-08-29 05:18:05 PM  

Resolute: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college the CFL is better anyway".

/YMMV
//Thinks four-down football is dull
///Go Stamps!


you know, i find CFL football pretty damn good. definitely more wide open. love those long endzones, and 120 yard field. i wish we had more access to it down here in the lower 48. i'd love to go to one in person.
 
2012-08-29 05:26:51 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: They were the "breakout" preseason team in 2009, too, and finished the regular season 7-9.

No, they weren't. They won games but no one was impressed by their first-team work. The first-team offense scored more in that KC game than they did all 2009's preseason.


Well then since they have identical pre-season records, why don't you go into detail on why this year's 3-0 "breakouts" is differentiated from the 2009 "sub 500" squad.
 
2012-08-29 05:28:35 PM  

JohnBigBootay: antidisestablishmentarianism: Holy crap, 120 reasons?

I only need one myself, but still a fun article.


Nearly done, good read. Thanks.
 
2012-08-29 05:40:38 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: In the second video tat auto-played, John Clayton said that there are two points that need to be worked out and neither is money. First is the pension plan that the NFL doesn't want to fund but the officials do and second is the number of crews. The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.


Don't pensions involve money since the league would have to fund it?
 
2012-08-29 05:41:24 PM  

stir22: you know, i find CFL football pretty damn good. definitely more wide open. love those long endzones, and 120 yard field. i wish we had more access to it down here in the lower 48. i'd love to go to one in person.


CFL is a ton of fun. Hell, I'll even watch Edmonton play Saskatchewan. You yanks had your chance though, we expanded into the US, but no one watched.

That being said, it wasn't marketed properly. It really is a different kind of football. Speed over size. Passing over running. High scoring (but usually close) games. Plus the Grey Cup game is usually very entertaining and contested right down to the final minutes. In a way it's kind of the same difference in feel between the NHL and International Hockey.
 
2012-08-29 05:41:48 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Rent Party: They were the "breakout" preseason team in 2009, too, and finished the regular season 7-9.

No, they weren't. They won games but no one was impressed by their first-team work. The first-team offense scored more in that KC game than they did all 2009's preseason.

Well then since they have identical pre-season records, why don't you go into detail on why this year's 3-0 "breakouts" is differentiated from the 2009 "sub 500" squad.


jasonscottrussell.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-29 05:45:49 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Nearly done, good read. Thanks.


Cool. Never heard of the guy but he has a nice way with words. Especially if you ever played football for even five minutes or are really excited it's about to be back.
 
2012-08-29 05:47:10 PM  

Mercutio74: That being said, it wasn't marketed properly. It really is a different kind of football. Speed over size. Passing over running. High scoring (but usually close) games. Plus the Grey Cup game is usually very entertaining and contested right down to the final minutes. In a way it's kind of the same difference in feel between the NHL and International Hockey.


I used to watch it but lost touch over the years. As I recall it was pretty damn fun to watch. And let's face it, great team names.
 
2012-08-29 05:54:11 PM  

kdawg7736: GreatGlavinsGhost: In the second video tat auto-played, John Clayton said that there are two points that need to be worked out and neither is money. First is the pension plan that the NFL doesn't want to fund but the officials do and second is the number of crews. The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.

Don't pensions involve money since the league would have to fund it?


I meant salaries. Sorry.
 
2012-08-29 05:56:08 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: kdawg7736: GreatGlavinsGhost: In the second video tat auto-played, John Clayton said that there are two points that need to be worked out and neither is money. First is the pension plan that the NFL doesn't want to fund but the officials do and second is the number of crews. The NFL wants more crews, which means officials would work fewer games.

Don't pensions involve money since the league would have to fund it?

I meant salaries. Sorry.


That's OK, I will let you go THIS time...Ha! ha! Ha!
 
2012-08-29 06:04:00 PM  

muck4doo: Threadjack here. Fark UFIA league for fantasy football has 3 non-returning people this season, which is surprising considering they were there for the 3 previous seasons, if you'd like to join e-mail me at yahoo mail. muck4doo at yahoo dot com. The draft is taking place at 4:45 PM central time on Sunday the 2nd. End threadjack.


I can't get gmail to recognize your e-mail address, but if there are any spots left I'd love to hop in. EIP.
 
2012-08-29 06:23:34 PM  

Mercutio74: stir22: you know, i find CFL football pretty damn good. definitely more wide open. love those long endzones, and 120 yard field. i wish we had more access to it down here in the lower 48. i'd love to go to one in person.

CFL is a ton of fun. Hell, I'll even watch Edmonton play Saskatchewan. You yanks had your chance though, we expanded into the US, but no one watched.

That being said, it wasn't marketed properly. It really is a different kind of football. Speed over size. Passing over running. High scoring (but usually close) games. Plus the Grey Cup game is usually very entertaining and contested right down to the final minutes. In a way it's kind of the same difference in feel between the NHL and International Hockey.


Under the current scenario, the CFL will never rival the NFL. As it was mentioned before, it's 2 very different sports. Only when and if the CFL could ever be able to contract some high talent draft type players, would it be able to compete (yes run on...) The Canadian beer league of football is littered with NFL rejects, has beens, and never coulds. If broadcasted here in the states, you know... where all those advertising dollars are generated... the sport would still be little sister of the NCAA. 

And don't fool yourself about the beer league being improperly marketed. We already got a novelty football sport here... it's called Arena League.
 
2012-08-29 06:29:27 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: muck4doo: Threadjack here. Fark UFIA league for fantasy football has 3 non-returning people this season, which is surprising considering they were there for the 3 previous seasons, if you'd like to join e-mail me at yahoo mail. muck4doo at yahoo dot com. The draft is taking place at 4:45 PM central time on Sunday the 2nd. End threadjack.

I can't get gmail to recognize your e-mail address, but if there are any spots left I'd love to hop in. EIP.


Try typing it in manually
 
2012-08-29 06:34:40 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Yet Wilson wasn't on anyone's radar, nobody was talking him up pre-draft, and he ended up going at #75.


I'm not a pundit, but I (and a few others) were COMPLETELY miffed by the fact that he was so far under the radar. The guy had talent, and proved himself in two systems (and that he's an incredibly quick learner).

Yes, height seemed to be the issue. Had he been two inches taller, Wilson would have been drafted in Drew Brees territory. Had he been five inches taller, he'd have been competing with RG3 for the #2 spot in the draft.
 
2012-08-29 06:36:30 PM  

Babboonrash: Under the current scenario, the CFL will never rival the NFL.


Who cares? It's a sport, and frankly I think it's fun to watch. I just don't have cable anymore. I wouldn't watch it at the expense of the NFL but it's fun just the same. Then again I'm extremely content going to semi-pro baseball when I'm in Mexico on vacation.
 
2012-08-29 06:41:09 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Plus, I'm taller and heavier than Wilson, and I've been around a bunch of NFL players and man, they make you feel like a child. He's going to break once a real DT or even a decent DE gets a hold of him.


Russell Wilson is a career multi-sport athlete. I have a feeling that being part of an NFL squad is going to facilitate the ability for him to increase muscle mass. Of course, there are and have been QBs in the league that aren't that big, and generally the injury problems arise only when they are morons like Michael Vick. He's going to get hit, but he's NOT a running back.

Rent Party: Well then since they have identical pre-season records, why don't you go into detail on why this year's 3-0 "breakouts" is differentiated from the 2009 "sub 500" squad.


It seems like you QUOTED A DETAIL FROM HIM that would substantiate his point.

I'm not expecting Seattle to win the NFC West or anything, but I'd say they will be improved over last year.
 
2012-08-29 06:45:12 PM  

JohnBigBootay: antidisestablishmentarianism: Nearly done, good read. Thanks.

Cool. Never heard of the guy but he has a nice way with words. Especially if you ever played football for even five minutes or are really excited it's about to be back.


Yes, that was a great read. I got so engrossed in it when my ESPN Mag came my legs fell asleep on the toilet...perhaps I've said too much.

Other things:

-I like the CFL. The NFL should definitely go to the CFL dimensions field and allow motion towards the line like the CFL. No need to half ass this offense centric NFL, might as well go all the way. Keep the 4 downs though.

-the NFL is playing hardball with these refs and they should get the real refs back before the season starts...but...I heard Peter King say the refs are looking for a 20% pay increase AND they want to keep the retirement packages they had in the previous deal even though no other NFL employees still have that plan. The refs need to bend a little...personally I don't think the regular refs are that much better then the scabs. Better yeah, but not by so much.

--I like Russel Wilson. I liked him when he played here at NC State. But the Seahawks aren't going to win that division and I think the NFC is too tough for them to be a Wild Card. That means they're in that clump of the NFL that exists between 6-10 and 10-6. Not good enough for a real shot at the SB and not bad enough for high draft picks. Not a good place to be.
 
2012-08-29 06:58:27 PM  

Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


Agreed. One thing I'm hoping for from a playoff eventually is that, if you only need to win your conference to get in, teams won't be as afraid to play big opponents. There's still the injury issue, but no more major penalty for losing a solid game to a great out-of-conference opponent would certainly help.
 
2012-08-29 07:15:11 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

Agreed. One thing I'm hoping for from a playoff eventually is that, if you only need to win your conference to get in, teams won't be as afraid to play big opponents. There's still the injury issue, but no more major penalty for losing a solid game to a great out-of-conference opponent would certainly help.


Michigan playing Alabama is a good step in this direction. I would like to see an SEC team come play in the north in November, you know where football was invented.
 
2012-08-29 07:18:24 PM  

JohnBigBootay: antidisestablishmentarianism: Holy crap, 120 reasons?

I only need one myself, but still a fun article.


That was a well-written article. Thanks. And he didn't trash baseball, just contrasted them. Nicely done.
 
2012-08-29 07:57:48 PM  
Don't just strike, retire. Don't come back.
 
2012-08-29 07:59:28 PM  
Normally I am very anti union. Offer them a pension, get this taken care of and bring back the half tards.

You never go full retard.
 
2012-08-29 08:03:31 PM  
Tillman is going to lose it, and it's going to be sad. Poor guy has been called unjustly for PI more than a few times this preseason, and he's been vocal about his dislike for the refs...
 
2012-08-29 08:13:35 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-08-29 08:16:31 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: RickyWilliams'sBong: Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

Agreed. One thing I'm hoping for from a playoff eventually is that, if you only need to win your conference to get in, teams won't be as afraid to play big opponents. There's still the injury issue, but no more major penalty for losing a solid game to a great out-of-conference opponent would certainly help.

Michigan playing Alabama is a good step in this direction. I would like to see an SEC team come play in the north in November, you know where football was invented.


I think the crappiness of FBS teams' schedules is often overrated. Alabama hasn't only played Michigan. They played Penn State each of the last two years and had opening week games against Clemson and Virginia Tech before that. Florida gets a lot of crap for never playing outside of the state, but when you're playing Florida State every year (and let's not forget that the Seminoles finished in the Top 5 every year from 1987-2000) that's pretty forgivable. Ohio State and Texas played a home-and-home in 2005 and 2006 when they were #1 and #2. Oregon played Boise twice a few years later. Oklahoma scheduled TCU and BYU in back-to-back years. The top teams have been playing good teams pretty regularly, it's the lower tier BCS teams (your Minnesotas, Indianas, and Mississippi States) that have the crap schedules.
 
2012-08-29 08:43:15 PM  
Tax Boy:

I figure he'll start writing once the Jets' season is in the toilet.

/so Week 5?
 
2012-08-29 09:07:41 PM  

FormlessOne: dletter: Haha... would be funny if this year turned out to be the year we lost NFL games, as opposed to last year when everyone was expecting it.

A second term for Obama, a year without football - I'm not sure what to ask the genie for my third wish...


a Coke?
 
2012-08-29 09:32:20 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


Eh, I just use Flash Block in Chrome. That way, if I want to watch it, I'll just click on the blocking shield. I know there are similar apps for other browsers.
 
2012-08-29 10:56:34 PM  

The Muthaship: Don't just strike, retire. Don't come back.

 

Yea, look how well that worked for Bert, and Junior, and...

(Protip: Until 'retired' means "CANNOT" come back in, it is meaningless)
 
2012-08-30 01:31:53 AM  

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


Quit clicking on their Links and rell everyone else to quit clicking on their links until they quit being retarded with autoplay. ESPN no longer has an ombudsman on staff to ignore so you cant contact the ompudsman any longer about ESPMs media crimes. But they have hired The Poynter Review Project to ignore instead of an ombudsman.
According to ESPN...
If you have comments or questions regarding ESPN's coverage of news, issues or events, please send them directly to the Poynter Review Project using the form at this link
 
2012-08-30 04:53:08 AM  
At the snap of the ball, the offensive and defensive lines ought to drop to their backs and engage in leg-wrestling until the whistle blows. The Receivers and DBs could take a casual stroll around the field for a bit, and the Quarterback and Running Back could play catch for a few moments before the QB takes a knee.

Rinse and repeat for four quarters plus OT, each game ends in a tie.
 
2012-08-30 09:40:43 AM  

Rent Party: Well then since they have identical pre-season records, why don't you go into detail on why this year's 3-0 "breakouts" is differentiated from the 2009 "sub 500" squad.


The things you look for in preseason are not wins/losses (as you said before, only an idiot would look at that and say it's important). You're looking to see how the first team plays against other teams. Teams like the Browns have gotten some of their preseason wins when they're keeping their starters in against backups. This year, it's been a case where they've been beating everyone throughout the game.

Other differences: 2009 was an old, veteran team - we already knew their ceiling, and they were coming off a 5-win season. This year, they're coming off a 7-9 season with an injured Tarvaris Jackson at QB most of the season. They were roughly .500 with INJURED TARVARIS JACKSON. Now they have two QBs who look better than Jackson when he's healthy. They haven't taken any steps back and they've taken steps forward at QB, on the line, and in the WR corps. So there's another reason for optimism. Have you actually WATCHED the games? You can't tell anything from the box score, but if you've watched the games, they've been completely ragdolling other teams.

If you go back into Wilson's history, he looks like a great prospect - All-Conference in two different conferences (reason he switched conferences: his coach told him he didn't want him back if he tried playing baseball, not any negative reason), already has his Master's degree, known for making good decisions and not turning the ball over, wants to pass but is more than capable of making huge plays with his feet, learned two different offenses in college (the second one in three weeks) - he clearly already has command of the offense. We already know, based on everyone's comments before the draft, that he would have graded as comparable to Luck/Griffin if he'd been 3-4 inches taller. After seeing Drew Brees' performance, only a retard would agree that short guys can't succeed in the NFL. Wilson set the NCAA record for passing efficiency and was second in Big 10 history in passing TDs in a season. You know the only guy with more? Drew Brees.

Other things to look at: 2009 offense was led by injured Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace, with Julius Jones (who was a horrible signing from the second he was signed - the only team he ever was good against was the Seahawks) and Deion Branch as their top WR. They've upgraded at every position since that team.

Most of the preseason scores were from guys who didn't make the team in 2009. This year, Wilson (starter) has been posting all of 'em. The defense is a hell of a lot better than the 2009 squad.

Furthermore, statistics have shown that teams don't tend to consistently have bad luck in close games. Last year the 49ers and Cardinals were abnormally good in 1 TD-or-less games. The Seahawks were 1-7 in similar games. In 2008, the Seahawks scored 98 fewer points than their opponents. In 2009? 110 fewer. Their defense sucked.

In 2010? The Seahawks outscored their opponents for the first time since the Shaun Alexander era.

There are myriad reasons to be excited about the 2012 Seahawks. The only reasons to not be excited are a) the schedule, and b) they're the Seahawks, so they'll probably all get crippled.
 
2012-08-30 09:52:43 AM  

Babboonrash: Mercutio74: stir22: you know, i find CFL football pretty damn good. definitely more wide open. love those long endzones, and 120 yard field. i wish we had more access to it down here in the lower 48. i'd love to go to one in person.

CFL is a ton of fun. Hell, I'll even watch Edmonton play Saskatchewan. You yanks had your chance though, we expanded into the US, but no one watched.

That being said, it wasn't marketed properly. It really is a different kind of football. Speed over size. Passing over running. High scoring (but usually close) games. Plus the Grey Cup game is usually very entertaining and contested right down to the final minutes. In a way it's kind of the same difference in feel between the NHL and International Hockey.

Under the current scenario, the CFL will never rival the NFL. As it was mentioned before, it's 2 very different sports. Only when and if the CFL could ever be able to contract some high talent draft type players, would it be able to compete (yes run on...) The Canadian beer league of football is littered with NFL rejects, has beens, and never coulds. If broadcasted here in the states, you know... where all those advertising dollars are generated... the sport would still be little sister of the NCAA. 

And don't fool yourself about the beer league being improperly marketed. We already got a novelty football sport here... it's called Arena League.


Yup, that was the CFL's problem in the US... it was viewed as a novelty, and that wasn't going to change. It only really worked in Baltimore, and probably then mostly as a giant middle finger to the NFL, which very quickly fixed that mistake.

Fun fact though: In 1991, the Toronto Argonauts signed Rocket Ismael to what was at the time the richest football contract in history. He won the 1991 Grey Cup MVP, then flamed out of the league the following year when he jump-stomped an opposing player's head during a scuffle.
 
2012-08-30 02:40:20 PM  

birdboy2000: Locking out the players was bad enough. But hey, it's millionaires vs. billionaires.

Locking out the refs is just awful. I'm not sure if I'll bother watching the NFL this year - between the owners' disgusting greed and their willingness to put out a substandard product by abandoning competent officiating, I don't want to give them better ratings.


Since when has NFL officiating been "competent"?
 
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