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(ESPN)   NFLPA to NFL: "Why haven't you agreed to a deal with the referees? This is just absurd and we are not afraid to strike if a deal is not reached"   (espn.go.com) divider line 118
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2012-08-29 01:10:30 PM
Haha... would be funny if this year turned out to be the year we lost NFL games, as opposed to last year when everyone was expecting it.
 
2012-08-29 01:46:55 PM
I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s. 
 
2012-08-29 01:57:35 PM
If the players strike and fark up my fantasy draft I'm going to be pissed!
 
2012-08-29 02:22:42 PM

I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.


They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.
 
2012-08-29 02:51:16 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.

They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.


at least we may not have to listen to Joe Buck as much then...
 
2012-08-29 02:51:22 PM
It could be a really cold winter if the NFL strikes and the NHL gets locked out.
 
2012-08-29 02:57:08 PM

Slaves2Darkness: It could be a really cold winter if the NFL strikes and the NHL gets locked out.


You have two choices:

www.puertoricodaytrips.com

~ or ~

rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-29 02:57:52 PM

I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s. 


They may have an out for player safety. These replacement referees have been downright terrible.
 
2012-08-29 02:59:11 PM
Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".
 
2012-08-29 03:00:11 PM
The NFL must think the extensive replay review system now in place somewhat mitigates the need for experienced pros in the striped shirts. Recently seeing more than one DB tagged for 15 yards on a grounded shoulder hit to he chest indicates otherwise.

NFL has just announced that the regular season will begin with the replacements.
 
2012-08-29 03:01:04 PM
Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.
 
2012-08-29 03:02:09 PM
fark them.

Seriously, fark them. Make some money for yourselves, if you gamble. Take Vanderbilt and take them now. Trust me.
 
2012-08-29 03:04:58 PM
Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.
 
2012-08-29 03:09:01 PM

Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


Know how I know you don't watch any football on TV?
 
2012-08-29 03:09:37 PM

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


I'd like to know this also now that Yahoo has joined in on this nonsense.
 
2012-08-29 03:10:32 PM

Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.
 
2012-08-29 03:12:08 PM

IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.


And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.
 
2012-08-29 03:12:16 PM

Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement


Do you have some sort of expanded package thru DirecTV specially made for sh*t early-season games? "Cupcake Saturday Ticket" or something?
 
2012-08-29 03:12:48 PM

lecavalier: CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.

I'd like to know this also now that Yahoo has joined in on this nonsense.


If you pause the video you should see an option to turn Autoplay off on the bottom of the video player.
 
2012-08-29 03:13:01 PM

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


I imagine they use a browser cookie to save your preference,. If you are refusing them from ESPN, that could be the issue.
 
2012-08-29 03:14:02 PM
it is absurd. the nfl is a multibillion dollar industry with growing revenues everywhere. the fact that they can't settle a dispute with the officials who call the games is absurd. it's a drop in the bucket.

/of course i don't really care as i don't watch the nfl that much.
 
2012-08-29 03:14:27 PM

Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college the CFL is better anyway".


/YMMV
//Thinks four-down football is dull
///Go Stamps!
 
2012-08-29 03:16:31 PM

A Fark Handle: it is absurd. the nfl is a multibillion dollar industry with growing revenues everywhere. the fact that they can't settle a dispute with the officials who call the games is absurd. it's a drop in the bucket.

/of course i don't really care as i don't watch the nfl that much.


Yep.

Is it possible to love professional (and college) football but hate the NFL? I guess it is like marriage. "Deal with it for the kids!" I deal with the NFL's nonsense for the football.
 
2012-08-29 03:16:38 PM

CatfoodSpork: Does anyone know if there's a way to prevent autoplay on the ESPN website? It does it to me every single time, even though I always turn autoplay to off.


The Flashblock extension for Firefox cured me of all autoplaying videos everywhere.
 
2012-08-29 03:16:51 PM

IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.


Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless. If I wanted to watch no defense played at all, I'd watch basketball...or the AFL :P
 
2012-08-29 03:19:44 PM

Lou Cypher: The NFL must think the extensive replay review system now in place somewhat mitigates the need for experienced pros in the striped shirts. Recently seeing more than one DB tagged for 15 yards on a grounded shoulder hit to he chest indicates otherwise.

NFL has just announced that the regular season will begin with the replacements.


This and more - the number of miscalls because the ref is confused between the college and pro games is ridiculous. And if there are too many replays (there already are in the new rules) it will kill the game by destroying the flow. I'm already wearing out the 30 second fast forward button on my remote. The professional refs have a hard enough job to do with the new replay abilities. Pay them you greedy ownerbastards.
 
2012-08-29 03:20:04 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.


So are many NFL games. I agree with the idea that close doesn't mean good. But when you have the opportunity to watch dozens of games and you're not wanting to watch it because of the blowouts...well, there are dozens of games that are close. So no, the reason you don't watch college football isn't because of the blowouts.

/every game the Giants play is f*cking boring, but guess who is going to get them crammed down his throat by regional NFL programming all year?
 
2012-08-29 03:20:12 PM

lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.


Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......
 
2012-08-29 03:26:02 PM

IAmRight: AdmirableSnackbar: Close games doesn't necessarily mean good games, though. A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.

So are many NFL games. I agree with the idea that close doesn't mean good. But when you have the opportunity to watch dozens of games and you're not wanting to watch it because of the blowouts...well, there are dozens of games that are close. So no, the reason you don't watch college football isn't because of the blowouts.

/every game the Giants play is f*cking boring, but guess who is going to get them crammed down his throat by regional NFL programming all year?


I don't get to watch much college football because Saturday is a rugby day. Otherwise I'd watch every weekend. But there is a TON of bad college football and only around 10-16 teams worth a damn.

I don't need to see a defensive struggle - although I thought LSU-Bama I and II last year were both enjoyable in their own ways - but I do love watching quality defensive play. So I realize that our definitions of "boring" are different, but there are much worse NFL teams you could be forced to watch - although do you not know about first row sports?
 
2012-08-29 03:28:23 PM

Leeds37: lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.

Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......


I will always remember that game because I was laughed at for taking West Virginia. HA on them!
 
2012-08-29 03:35:51 PM
So there are seven officials on the field at any given time. I heard the booth replay guys are actual league employees and not part of this CBA so with sixteen max games a week you are looking at 112 officials.

How much money could they be haggling over? Doesn't seem like it could be much in the grand scheme of the NFL payroll.
 
2012-08-29 03:38:54 PM

eagles95: antidisestablishmentarianism: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s.

They could just go out on the field, snap the ball, and stand around chatting for 15 minutes at a time. I would pay to see something like that.

at least we may not have to listen to Joe Buck as much then...


"Brees takes the snap from center, takes his five step drop, he holds it...holds it...holds it...rolls right, looking for an open receiver...holds it...holds it...rolls back to his left..."

JC
 
2012-08-29 03:39:48 PM

Daniels: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.


There is always a good game on for college ball. Michigan and Alabama is going to be good, and watching Georgia Tech stomp on another over rated VA Tech team is also a delight.
 
2012-08-29 03:41:47 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.


Not to rail too far off topic, but what especially annoys me with those kind of games in the mid-majors is that they're painfully predictable. Due to the emergence of the spread offenses (I'm mostly talking about the pass-happy ones here, so forget the Oregons of the world for now), defensive coordinators working with at best average talent just surrender to play soft zones and 10-yard cushions if they DARE try man-to-man coverage, which means: Few big, "exciting" plays because the defense is in a horrendously deep soft shell, and the entire game plays out like "death by 10,000 10 yard slant routes" up and down the damn field. 

Watching a random NFL team do a simple 7 on 7 drill during practice is probably just as entertaining.
 
2012-08-29 03:42:24 PM

lecavalier: Leeds37: lecavalier: IAmRight: Daniels: Indeed. Full weekends of games that end 75-3 are the height of excitement.

With roughly 50 games going on at a given time, if you want to see close games, there will be more than the NFL provides on a weekly basis.

And moreover, the "75-3" games that happen SOOOO often ... are not televised, at least not nationally.

Well, Clemson wishes they weren't......

I will always remember that game because I was laughed at for taking West Virginia. HA on them!


Good for you. Screw Clemson.
 
2012-08-29 03:42:24 PM
For the half of you who are really here because you are jonesing for football to start...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8286445/jr-moehringer-120-reasons-w h y-football-last-forever-espn-magazine

That was a really fun article and nicely written I must say. Warning: Long
 
2012-08-29 03:46:26 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: I_C_Weener: I would think that striking for another organization's treatment might void their CBA and then you lose all the stuff they won last year like better pay, lifetime medical, a pileof money to pay for traumatic brain injury stuff for players back to the 1950s. 

They may have an out for player safety. These replacement referees have been downright terrible.


How many suspensions have been handed out for illegal hits during the preseason? Any fines? How many quarerbacks or wide receivers have gone out with concussions (you know, the only players who have rules in place to protect them)? How about injuries as a result of clipping or other illegal play?
 
2012-08-29 03:46:59 PM
Fark the refs. The new guys are learning.
 
2012-08-29 03:48:23 PM

Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".


In that the players aren't as skilled, the game isn't as fast, and vastly fewer competitive games are played, sure.
 
2012-08-29 03:49:02 PM
I might be getting Ravens v Steelers tickets this year, so they better not eff this up!
 
2012-08-29 03:49:29 PM
 
2012-08-29 04:01:19 PM

bojon: Fark the refs. The new guys are learning.


Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!
Of course the owners won't give an inch. Why should they? Unless people stop watching or buying merch in large enough numbers they still make obscene profits.
 
2012-08-29 04:05:02 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: I don't need to see a defensive struggle - although I thought LSU-Bama I and II last year were both enjoyable in their own ways - but I do love watching quality defensive play. So I realize that our definitions of "boring" are different, but there are much worse NFL teams you could be forced to watch - although do you not know about first row sports?


I know about it - streaming quality is not quite HD quality, especially if I want to watch it on TV. Figures that the Seahawks finally get entertaining when I'm out of their broadcast zone.

As for the Giants, I don't know what it is about them, I just don't care about them one way or another. Hell, even in their Super Bowls, I couldn't be upset because hey, they beat the Patriots. But I couldn't be happy, because f*ck Eli Manning (though he does a good job of proving how completely irrelevant playoffs render the regular season). I just feel nothing about any of the NY teams. They're all "meh".

I dunno, the NFL is largely a 6-10 to 10-6 league, so it's just a case of "hey, who's going to catch the breaks today" in most cases.

/I kinda enjoy both, but college is way more fun, especially to go to a game
 
2012-08-29 04:05:56 PM

cendojr: Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!


Why do they merit more pay? The regular refs suck as bad as the replacement refs.
 
2012-08-29 04:10:36 PM

Killer Cars: AdmirableSnackbar: A typical MAC 63-60 affair is farking pointless.

Not to rail too far off topic, but what especially annoys me with those kind of games in the mid-majors is that they're painfully predictable. Due to the emergence of the spread offenses (I'm mostly talking about the pass-happy ones here, so forget the Oregons of the world for now), defensive coordinators working with at best average talent just surrender to play soft zones and 10-yard cushions if they DARE try man-to-man coverage, which means: Few big, "exciting" plays because the defense is in a horrendously deep soft shell, and the entire game plays out like "death by 10,000 10 yard slant routes" up and down the damn field. 

Watching a random NFL team do a simple 7 on 7 drill during practice is probably just as entertaining.


To each their own, I guess, but I love my midweek MACtion. That NIU 63, Toledo 60 game was awesome, and that's coming from a Bama fan who will defend to the death last year's Game of the Century I against LSU. The thing that's great about college football is the randomness of it all. I remember getting wasted on a random Friday night last year after Iowa State shocked Oklahoma State. There was a fantastic MAC game a few years ago that got so inundated with fog that ESPN had to stop using their press box cameras and start shooting every play from field level. Sure, you get the occasional 70-3 game but pretty much every other game provides something interesting to watch.
 
2012-08-29 04:12:07 PM

meanmutton: Oliver Twisted: Me to the NFLPA: "Meh, college is better anyway".

In that the players aren't as skilled, the game isn't as fast, and vastly fewer competitive games are played, sure.


I was going to ask what you mean till I checked your profile and see you are in Eastern MI country. You have my sympathy.
 
2012-08-29 04:12:27 PM
I never watched the CFL until last year. I don't get as emotionally involved as I do for NFL play, but the CFL is pretty cool.
 
2012-08-29 04:13:37 PM

IAmRight:
I know about it - streaming quality is not quite HD quality, especially if I want to watch it on TV. Figures that the Seahawks finally get entertaining when I'm out of their broadcast zone.


The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie. They've got WR problems to the degree they were looking at Terrell farking Owens. They've got an offensive line that is just and old and busted as it was last year (and the year before that.) They've still got no consistent pass rush on the left side. They have fast corners that can't tackle, and a safety that is going to get suspended because he can't seem to get the new tackling rules into his brain.

On paper, they look OK. In reality, they'll be lucky to be .500.
 
2012-08-29 04:13:47 PM

IAmRight: cendojr: Yeah! Set the precedent that "you're farked" if you get good enough to merit more pay!

Why do they merit more pay? The regular refs suck as bad as the replacement refs.


It's more my general distaste for the Circuit City model of employment. "You're experienced and more productive now, awesome. What's that? You want to be paid more based on your improved production? Take a hike, we'll get this new guy instead." At high levels of anything you need experienced personnel and this would make that experience valueless.
 
2012-08-29 04:16:53 PM

Rent Party: The Seahawks are only entertaining in that "Oh look, a pretty train about to wreck" way. They've got QB controversy between a career backup and a dwarf rookie.


I happen to think you are incorrect.

But that was pretty funny.
 
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