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(Yahoo)   Remember all the mismanagement of the 9/11 donations? If so, you're a step ahead of the Aurora movie theater shooting charities   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 42
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2012-08-29 01:15:26 PM  
Most of the victims are dead, they won't miss the money that much.
 
2012-08-29 01:16:44 PM  
It's the NRA's biggest fundraising event so far this year.
 
2012-08-29 01:16:56 PM  
What mismanagement? I pocketed huge chunks of the money while distributing token amounts to various other groups just like originally planned. Don't tell me it was "mismanaged".
 
2012-08-29 01:17:46 PM  
I'm sure there is a school for cons where the business plan of setting up a scam from web sites to donation buckets and it's very profitable.
 
2012-08-29 01:18:57 PM  
Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...
 
2012-08-29 01:21:07 PM  
Disaster capitalism at its finest. I wonder how much was donated to the RNC?
 
2012-08-29 01:21:48 PM  

GnuUzir: Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...


The 9/11 gold coins you bought are not going to increase in value.
 
2012-08-29 01:21:56 PM  

GnuUzir: Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...


But the towers! THEY RISE MAJESTICALLY!
 
2012-08-29 01:22:26 PM  

super_grass: Most A relatively small numberof the victims are dead, they won't miss the money that much.


58 wounded > 12 dead
 
2012-08-29 01:24:00 PM  
.....and the Haiti earthquake donations and all donations in the history of donations.
 
2012-08-29 01:24:13 PM  

super_grass: Most of the victims are dead, they won't miss the money that much.


11 out of 80 people are dead. That's not most by any account. Plus, lets take one of the dead ones for example. She was 6. 6 year olds usually don't have full insurance that cover funerals. So now they're paying for a full funeral that wasn't expected. Her mom is also paralized and still in the hospital and will require lifetime rehabilitation and therapy. That's just two out of 80.
 
2012-08-29 01:24:34 PM  
I'm just gonna say it - I think it's weird to give and/or receive crazy terrorist aftermath contributions. I mean a single car accident can wipe out an entire family and leave the remaining clan destitute. happens nearly every day. I can totally see contributing to drought or famine or cholera or whatever when you can actually help some people stay alive. I just don't see how the hell you'd ever divide this money up between the rich and poor, those with life insurance and without, the employed and unemployed, those who lost three people vs someone only injured, a wife vs a cousin or a sister or a friend. here's what I think - the next time a plane crashes into a building or a nut shoots up the post office, just take that money and give it to the food bank.
 
2012-08-29 01:27:14 PM  

sirgrim: super_grass: Most of the victims are dead, they won't miss the money that much.

11 out of 80 people are dead. That's not most by any account. Plus, lets take one of the dead ones for example. She was 6. 6 year olds usually don't have full insurance that cover funerals. So now they're paying for a full funeral that wasn't expected. Her mom is also paralized and still in the hospital and will require lifetime rehabilitation and therapy. That's just two out of 80.


Facts? You're clouding this very serious issue with facts?!?!? Why you little.....

www.toptenz.net
 
2012-08-29 01:28:05 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm just gonna say it - I think it's weird to give and/or receive crazy terrorist aftermath contributions. I mean a single car accident can wipe out an entire family and leave the remaining clan destitute. happens nearly every day. I can totally see contributing to drought or famine or cholera or whatever when you can actually help some people stay alive. I just don't see how the hell you'd ever divide this money up between the rich and poor, those with life insurance and without, the employed and unemployed, those who lost three people vs someone only injured, a wife vs a cousin or a sister or a friend. here's what I think - the next time a plane crashes into a building or a nut shoots up the post office, just take that money and give it to the food bank.


Sorry to quote myself but I wanted to add...

because what's gonna happen is entirely too predictable. Someone will misappropriate some money. There will be some fraudulent claims. There will be people with rightful claims who are left out entirely. Someone who is already extremely wealthy and had plenty of insurance (see 9/11) will get a chunk. But basically it will just be endlessly contested. It always is when there's 'free' money up for grabs.
 
2012-08-29 01:29:31 PM  
The funds should all go into an account for James Holmes, to be made available upon his release from prison, if it occurrs before 2025.

Then he can just sit in prison and think about all the money he technically has, but that he can't spend, and will never get a chance to spend.

Otherwise it seems like that peice of dirt has nothing to lose.
 
2012-08-29 01:32:00 PM  
Wow. Way to fark up "disperse" and "disburse" within the space of the first two paragraphs.

Copy editors. Who needs 'em?
 
2012-08-29 01:36:18 PM  
Down with BIG CHARITY! I'm going to go Occupy something...
 
2012-08-29 01:37:59 PM  

Deathfrogg: Disaster capitalism at its finest. I wonder how much was donated to the RNC?



Disaster politics at its finest. Never let a good tragedy go to waste when you could be sticking it to the other team!
 
2012-08-29 01:38:30 PM  
digitaljournal.com
 
2012-08-29 01:40:05 PM  
80% of all charitable donations are kept for administering the charity...it is a scam of HUGE proportions...
 
2012-08-29 01:41:18 PM  
You're a fool if you give to charities, especially ones that you've never heard off. The richest person I know is the founder of a local charity that "helps" the poor, there are basically no rules on expenditures so pretty much everything they take in goes towards "business expenses" and "administrative services".
 
2012-08-29 01:44:16 PM  
Where's George Clooney? On the scale, of course, the 9/11 donations were huge, and he battled the Red Cross because even if it's a "nonprofit", a disproportionate sum of those funds are used to pay for people to carry files around and not to actually help victims. Techincally not fraud, but it's
The 80 victims and givers in this case should be more aware of fraud - fraudulent recipients of mass donations and fraudulent claim requests from people who weren't within 100 miles of the incident at the time.
 
2012-08-29 01:45:07 PM  
They were people sitting in building lobbies in lower Manhattan writing checks for pretty much whatever amount a resident asked for within reason. Lots of Tribecca lofts got new kitchens that year.
 
2012-08-29 01:45:15 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Where's George Clooney? On the scale, of course, the 9/11 donations were huge, and he battled the Red Cross because even if it's a "nonprofit", a disproportionate sum of those funds are used to pay for people to carry files around and not to actually help victims. Techincally not fraud, but it's fraud-like
The 80 victims and givers in this case should be more aware of fraud - fraudulent recipients of mass donations and fraudulent claim requests from people who weren't within 100 miles of the incident at the time.


I accidentally the post
 
2012-08-29 01:47:26 PM  

Albert911emt: GnuUzir: Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...

The 9/11 gold coins you bought are not going to increase in value.


Damn you, why do you hate America?

Flakeloaf: But the towers! THEY RISE MAJESTICALLY!


See this is a true American, you all can learn from his message and then sue him if it turns out he was lying...
 
2012-08-29 01:48:39 PM  
A couple of options:

Follow the Columbine example: Give the families of the dead the same dollar amount. Yes, some of the families won't be happy with the dollar amount, but no amount of money will bring their loved one back. Cut the check and be done with it.

For the wounded, chose amounts based on their medical bills and level of disability. If donors are concerned that the money will be pocketed and not used "properly", then have them submit their medical bills for payment.

The girl hit with buckshot and released the following day won't need the money as much the guy shot in the head who is still in the hospital.

Personally, when I donate to a cause like this, I want the money to go to the victim, not cover administration costs of non-profits. If they chose to blow the cash rather than pay a medical bill, I don't care. They had a traumatic experience and need the distractions.
 
2012-08-29 01:50:52 PM  

beakerxf: A couple of options:


I decided the second option sucked, but forgot to remove the header
 
2012-08-29 01:59:06 PM  

Flakeloaf: GnuUzir: Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...

But the towers! THEY RISE MAJESTICALLY!


Yeah; also, those "coins" are gold clad, not gold. They say something like 8 milligrams of actual gold is on the coin; that works out to be right around 8 dollars in gold.

/ call now, because we can't guarantee these prices for long
 
2012-08-29 01:59:36 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm just gonna say it - I think it's weird to give and/or receive crazy terrorist aftermath contributions. I mean a single car accident can wipe out an entire family and leave the remaining clan destitute. happens nearly every day. I can totally see contributing to drought or famine or cholera or whatever when you can actually help some people stay alive. I just don't see how the hell you'd ever divide this money up between the rich and poor, those with life insurance and without, the employed and unemployed, those who lost three people vs someone only injured, a wife vs a cousin or a sister or a friend. here's what I think - the next time a plane crashes into a building or a nut shoots up the post office, just take that money and give it to the food bank.


So I take it you're one of those "life is precious, how can we put a dollar amount on it?" people.
Simple: take the value of all the donations that haven't been stolen, use established insurance payouts to create proportions, then upscale/downscale them as needed.
 
2012-08-29 02:03:01 PM  

Flakeloaf: GnuUzir: Next you are going to tell me that the 9/11 gold coins I bought are not going to increase in value...

But the towers! THEY RISE MAJESTICALLY!


("snap" - cheap tinny snapping sound)
Well, they used to rise majestically. 

/ don't worry, I'm sure the Franklin Mint probably has a repair department, at a very reasonable cost.
 
2012-08-29 02:05:11 PM  

priapic_abandon: [digitaljournal.com image 850x637]


Your posting reminded me of Youtube user VenomFangX, whose mention is actually tangentially relevant to the current discussion.

/obscure?
 
2012-08-29 02:05:13 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Where's George Clooney? On the scale, of course, the 9/11 donations were huge, and he battled the Red Cross because even if it's a "nonprofit", a disproportionate sum of those funds are used to pay for people to carry files around and not to actually help victims. Techincally not fraud, but it's
The 80 victims and givers in this case should be more aware of fraud - fraudulent recipients of mass donations and fraudulent claim requests from people who weren't within 100 miles of the incident at the time.


9/11 isn't a great comparison. That dealt with thousands of people in a high profile tourist attraction. It's tougher to prove who was there and who wasn't.

The theater held fewer people and most were interviewed by police afterward. It wouldn't be hard to find witnesses to vouch that a person went to that theater. I suspect quite a few kept their ticket stub or used plastic to buy their ticket. Plus, if they were anything like me (and a gazillion other people) they made a Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook post that's timestamped and says "Movie is about to start! Woohoo!"

I do like the idea of Community First. There were dozens of charities pop up overnight and there were definitely fraudulent ones. I belong to a sports team in Aurora and we wanted to make a game a fund-raiser. How do you choose which victim to give to? Which fund is real? One victim's family even set up competing charities. We didn't want to be bothered with all that. Community First simply stumbled out of the gate by not including a family representative earlier in the process. Since they still have most of the cash, it's not too late to sort it out.

$350,000 went to families of the deceased and to teh wounded ($5,000 each). $100,000 went to 9 non-profits each. I want to know more about those non-profits. If they are the "community education" types, then I'll be irked. If they are the type to retrofit homes for the disabled or to help with direct physical and emotional therapy, then that's approproiate.

(I gotta go. Posting now. Typos be damned)
 
2012-08-29 02:07:40 PM  
www.ordershowtime.com
Knows a thing or two about running a charity.
 
2012-08-29 02:13:30 PM  
Sorry, I give all my donation money to the poor NBA players. After the last strike, they really lost a lot of well deserved money.
 
2012-08-29 02:21:46 PM  

Deathfrogg: Disaster capitalism at its finest. I wonder how much was donated to the RNC?


Probably as much as the DNC saved using non-union labor in a right to work state.
 
2012-08-29 02:22:25 PM  
I only donate to the Human Fund.
 
2012-08-29 03:55:45 PM  

Oliver Twisted: What mismanagement? I pocketed huge chunks of the money while distributing token amounts to various other groups just like originally planned. Don't tell me it was "mismanaged".


Yup. That's how most "charity" works.
 
2012-08-29 03:58:11 PM  
Dear kind, generous folks.

Here's how you give to victims and the needy.

Get their name and address. Mail them a check.

Organized charities are mostly about expenses for the organization. That means they're f*cking vultures cutting a hole in the cup you just put a quarter in. Avoid them.
 
2012-08-29 04:17:08 PM  
Figures...
 
2012-08-29 06:10:49 PM  
Think of all charities like these as the Vito and Rocco's Disaster Memorial Fund; they go chop your dollah.
 
2012-08-29 08:04:19 PM  

pippi longstocking: You're a fool if you give to charities, especially ones that you've never heard off. The richest person I know is the founder of a local charity that "helps" the poor, there are basically no rules on expenditures so pretty much everything they take in goes towards "business expenses" and "administrative services".



The IKEA method of not having to pay taxes.
 
2012-08-29 08:05:48 PM  
You raised 5 Million dollars for a shooting? You guys need to have shootings every week!

/oh wait
 
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