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(Daily Mail)   The real questions are why was a priest carrying around a vial of Pope John Paul II's blood in a backpack and how many other vials are still out there?   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-08-29 09:55:31 AM  
3 votes:
Because Catholics love relics of the saints (and JPII is going to be a saint once the requisite process plays out).

I mean, this isn't even all that macabre as far as Catholic tradition goes. There's severed heads of saints, bones of saints, and even entire preserved corpses of various saints all over the place (although a lot of the older ones are medieval forgeries).
2012-08-29 11:02:54 AM  
2 votes:
Relics are not specific to Catholicism; they play roles in Islam and certain sects of Buddhism, too.

The idea that parts of an admirable person's body contain power is as old as ritual cannibalism.

On the secular side, we have the original copies of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, bits of the 9/11 carnage, flags that flew over certain battlefields, etc.

Relics are merely focal points for prayer, meditation, inspiration. Saint Jerome declared, "We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are."

Since 787 A. D., every Catholic and Orthodox altar has contained a relic.
2012-08-29 10:27:41 AM  
2 votes:

mekki: Pathman: mekki: marius2: You religious folk are Farking weird.

Is it any odder than someone else carrying a locket of some beloved one's hair around? Or a parent keeping their kid's first fallen out baby tooth?

yes. yes it is.

How so?


Well - i don't do either of those things so i suppose i can't speak. but based on the baseline definition of what odd means i would have to answer because i imagine far less people are going to carry around a vial of blood than a lock of hair?
2012-08-29 10:11:05 AM  
2 votes:

Lumpmoose: Despite suppressing pagans for so many centuries, Catholics sure have some macabre tendencies.


Read "The Origin of Satan", by Elaine Pagels, among others like "Pagans and Christians", by the excellent Robin Lane Fox, or Ramsey MacMullan's "Christianity and Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries".

You'll learn all you need...or care...to know about how Christianity was a splinter Jewish sect that dropped or suppressed much of the specifically Hebraic playbook in order to appeal to the average Pagan in the greater Roman world. In doing so, it eventually went from persecuted minority to state religion in about 300 years. As a state religion, it deliberately took on the ranks of the Roman civic religion and adopted many of its notions, titles, holidays, and so on, because, like Scientology, it was all about keeping your newly acquired star donators happy.

Protestantism was a reaction against the known pagan tendencies (and the perceived corruption stemming from thereby) of the medieval/early modern Catholic hierarchy. Of course, evangelical leaders are now as known for gross materialism and ripping off the flock at least as much as any Renaissance Pope, so I have to blame the corrupting influence of religion itself. Bits of dead saints are perversions of the "idolatry" that Christianity supposedly despises, and are really no different from a "Goddess candle" or a plastic Thor on the dresser.

Notably, the extreme religious pluralism of the Roman Empire (pay taxes, light a candle or kill a chicken in the name of the deified Emperors, but otherwise dance with snakes or pray to Baal/Isis/Hera/Cernunnos, whatever) did not allow the concentration of funds or social power that centralized, bureaucratic, Roman Christianity did. Before the rise of the monotheisms, nobody had the sole franchise, and so nobody claimed their gods were very, very big or particularly effective in distant lands.

It took a mutated pair of once-Jewish faiths, Christianity and Islam, to pull that off.
2012-08-29 10:07:54 AM  
2 votes:

marius2: You religious folk are Farking weird.


Is it any odder than someone else carrying a locket of some beloved one's hair around? Or a parent keeping their kid's first fallen out baby tooth?
2012-08-29 10:03:00 AM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: Because Catholics love relics of the saints (and JPII is going to be a saint once the requisite process plays out).

I mean, this isn't even all that macabre as far as Catholic tradition goes. There's severed heads of saints, bones of saints, and even entire preserved corpses of various saints all over the place (although a lot of the older ones are medieval forgeries).


Hell, the entire mass centers around a cannibalism ritual.
2012-08-29 09:58:11 AM  
2 votes:
You religious folk are Farking weird.
2012-08-29 04:49:18 PM  
1 vote:

Langdon_777: I guess the blood of a pope who was a beneficiary of corruption and 'pope-acide' might be worht something in black magick rituals.

The guy was a stooge who at least knew of what went on before he gained the illustrious post.

MUCH MUCH more investigation is needed into what happened to John Paul I - that guy was actually a Saint, alas he was surrounded by Serpents - follow the money (and wow what a money & power trail it is, a country that shouldn't be and a head of state who was intelligent, wise and saintly, who was murdered just weeks into his popedom (FYI - look up the history of the Vatican Banks and cringe at the still untouched corruption - look for the P2 corpses, esp the one on the bridge....).

*Jesus Wept and the World joined Him*


Black Friar. That is all.
2012-08-29 03:24:43 PM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Relics are not specific to Catholicism; they play roles in Islam and certain sects of Buddhism, too.

The idea that parts of an admirable person's body contain power is as old as ritual cannibalism.

On the secular side, we have the original copies of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, bits of the 9/11 carnage, flags that flew over certain battlefields, etc.

Relics are merely focal points for prayer, meditation, inspiration. Saint Jerome declared, "We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are."

Since 787 A. D., every Catholic and Orthodox altar has contained a relic.


I seem to recall sumptin or other about worshiping false gods, etc. and no other image and like that.
Just sayin' that noticing where the Catholic Church has been lately, they seem to have lost track of their old God.
Claiming sainthood for any recent Popes, Cardinals, Bishops and whatever else you got in charge is ignoring reality.
But then they be good at that.
2012-08-29 01:51:42 PM  
1 vote:
I guess the blood of a pope who was a beneficiary of corruption and 'pope-acide' might be worht something in black magick rituals.

The guy was a stooge who at least knew of what went on before he gained the illustrious post.

MUCH MUCH more investigation is needed into what happened to John Paul I - that guy was actually a Saint, alas he was surrounded by Serpents - follow the money (and wow what a money & power trail it is, a country that shouldn't be and a head of state who was intelligent, wise and saintly, who was murdered just weeks into his popedom (FYI - look up the history of the Vatican Banks and cringe at the still untouched corruption - look for the P2 corpses, esp the one on the bridge....).

*Jesus Wept and the World joined Him*
2012-08-29 12:23:43 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, they made relics of John Paul? Gee, what a shock. They are gonna make him a saint, and bits and pieces associated with saints have always been in demand.
2012-08-29 12:01:41 PM  
1 vote:
I think they put one in each of the 16 chapels.
2012-08-29 11:28:41 AM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Relics are not specific to Catholicism; they play roles in Islam and certain sects of Buddhism, too.

The idea that parts of an admirable person's body contain power is as old as ritual cannibalism.

On the secular side, we have the original copies of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, bits of the 9/11 carnage, flags that flew over certain battlefields, etc.

Relics are merely focal points for prayer, meditation, inspiration. Saint Jerome declared, "We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are."

Since 787 A. D., every Catholic and Orthodox altar has contained a relic.


So they focus all of the prayer energy, kind of like a lightsaber crystal.
2012-08-29 10:41:32 AM  
1 vote:

marius2: mekki: Pathman: mekki: marius2: You religious folk are Farking weird.

Is it any odder than someone else carrying a locket of some beloved one's hair around? Or a parent keeping their kid's first fallen out baby tooth?

yes. yes it is.

How so?

I'll take a stab at it. As someone pointed out as well, those things are pretty odd as well. But this is even odder in my mind as at least a babies tooth, or a locket of a beloved person's hair has some connection with you. That's your baby, or that's your deceased wife, or whathaveyou. This is some guy you likely never met, who people have always told you was better than you, and he told you how to live your life. He's not related to you, he's not your friend, he's not your loved one, why would you want to see, touch, or have, his blood?


I'll support your stab with the logical fallacy, "Tu quoque", or appeal to hypocrisy. People keeping mementos of their loved one's DNA is pretty silly as well, and like this, isn't particularly harmful and should be primarily ignored. Whether or not other people do weird things doesn't make this non-weird.
2012-08-29 10:40:33 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: If you do a search for "Incorruptible" and "Saint", you'll probably get a bunch of pictures of entire preserved mummies. The Incorruptibles are said to be saints who are so pure that their corpses remain warm to the touch, free of rigor and appear to be still alive though the bodies are dead.

Of course, what the Catholics did was hang onto the corpses for 300 years and they just look like a mummified body.


Saw a few of them on my trip to Italy way back when. Catacombs everywhere, everywhere! Weird feeling.
2012-08-29 10:39:11 AM  
1 vote:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: So do you get magical powers or what from carrying around a relic? I could see the utility of +10% HP from a saint's knuckle bone or something.


Na, it got nerfed, last crusade.
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2012-08-29 10:37:56 AM  
1 vote:

mekki: Pathman: mekki: marius2: You religious folk are Farking weird.

Is it any odder than someone else carrying a locket of some beloved one's hair around? Or a parent keeping their kid's first fallen out baby tooth?

yes. yes it is.

How so?


Because hair doesn't go off like old meat.
2012-08-29 10:36:52 AM  
1 vote:

mhd: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD POPE!


SKULLS FOR THE SKULL CHURCH.

i.dailymail.co.uk
2012-08-29 10:31:09 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: Because Catholics love relics of the saints (and JPII is going to be a saint once the requisite process plays out).

I mean, this isn't even all that macabre as far as Catholic tradition goes. There's severed heads of saints, bones of saints, and even entire preserved corpses of various saints all over the place (although a lot of the older ones are medieval forgeries).


I figure he was hedging his bets on beatification.

We used to do a lot of church reno work and one priest was very happy to talk to us about the whole beatification process, as well as the church's fascination with relics. He even showed us the finger bone of his church's patron saint that was in the altar stone. He also talked about how they would likely freeze dry Mother Teresa's liver after she died and slice it up for relics....
2012-08-29 10:25:46 AM  
1 vote:

CygnusDarius: Also, you don't mix Roman Authoritarianism and monotheist religions, that only brings... The Modern Catholic Church.


If anything, the Mormon church is following the old Catholic model from Europe on how to takeover government. The problem they face in America is that you can't pay armies to wipe out the heathens anymore. The Baptist churches have the best shot of it, but their organization is fatally flawed because deep down inside they hate everyone that isn't a member of their own congregation.
2012-08-29 10:23:14 AM  
1 vote:
Seriously, who steals from a frikkin priest?
2012-08-29 10:16:12 AM  
1 vote:

WTF Indeed: Note to the "OMG PEDO!" clan in the thread:

The Catholic Church in Europe is very different than the Catholic Church in America. The European church still has very close ties to the pagan clans it converted centuries ago. In fact, learning the history of the Church in Europe is an excellent way to understand the dynamics of 1500 years of Western culture and science.


This. Also, you don't mix Roman Authoritarianism and monotheist religions, that only brings... The Modern Catholic Church.

And try the botargo, it's really good.
2012-08-29 10:13:59 AM  
1 vote:
Note to the "OMG PEDO!" clan in the thread:

The Catholic Church in Europe is very different than the Catholic Church in America. The European church still has very close ties to the pagan clans it converted centuries ago. In fact, learning the history of the Church in Europe is an excellent way to understand the dynamics of 1500 years of Western culture and science.
2012-08-29 10:13:05 AM  
1 vote:
encrypted-tbn3.google.com
2012-08-29 10:11:49 AM  
1 vote:

mekki: marius2: You religious folk are Farking weird.

Is it any odder than someone else carrying a locket of some beloved one's hair around? Or a parent keeping their kid's first fallen out baby tooth?


yes. yes it is.
2012-08-29 10:04:32 AM  
1 vote:
Because Benedict needs blood.

thedefeatists.typepad.com
2012-08-29 10:02:03 AM  
1 vote:
If you do a search for "Incorruptible" and "Saint", you'll probably get a bunch of pictures of entire preserved mummies. The Incorruptibles are said to be saints who are so pure that their corpses remain warm to the touch, free of rigor and appear to be still alive though the bodies are dead.

Of course, what the Catholics did was hang onto the corpses for 300 years and they just look like a mummified body.
2012-08-29 09:59:00 AM  
1 vote:
SICK.

Yet millions of breeders mindlessly follow this pedo.
2012-08-29 09:58:32 AM  
1 vote:
Duh, because he was a vampire and his blood sold for high dollar on the black market. Doesnt anyone watch True Blood so they know whats going on?
2012-08-29 09:42:30 AM  
1 vote:
Despite suppressing pagans for so many centuries, Catholics sure have some macabre tendencies.
 
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