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(Deadspin)   You know a collision at home plate is huge when the catcher's mask goes flying off twenty feet away. (w/video)   (deadspin.com) divider line 73
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2012-08-29 10:07:58 AM  
They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:12 AM  

Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.


Man up. 

/outfielder does not throw like a girl, either
// helluva throw
 
2012-08-29 10:37:43 AM  

Richard Saunders: Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.

Man up. 

/outfielder does not throw like a girl, either
// helluva throw


I figured this would be the response and I dont have any grand manifesto about why I think it should change. I just think it is bullshiat.

/whatever
 
2012-08-29 10:56:22 AM  

Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.


Why don't we all give them nerf bats and let them beat eachother like eight year old girls?

Motherf*cking Buster Pussy was out of position, it's HIS fault he was injured.

Oh, but let's change a fundamental competitive part of a game because one whiny pretty boy gets hurt.

Molina won't complain, because he's an adult, not some whiny little child.
 
2012-08-29 11:04:21 AM  

generalDisdain: Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.

Why don't we all give them nerf bats and let them beat eachother like eight year old girls?

Motherf*cking Buster Pussy was out of position, it's HIS fault he was injured.

Oh, but let's change a fundamental competitive part of a game because one whiny pretty boy gets hurt.

Molina won't complain, because he's an adult, not some whiny little child.


Guys coming in an delivering forearm shots to guys necks/heads while they are looking the other way is bush.

Did this ever happen before Rose laid out Fosse for no reason?
 
2012-08-29 11:12:54 AM  

Gunny Highway: Guys coming in an delivering forearm shots to guys necks/heads while they are looking the other way is bush.

Did this ever happen before Rose laid out Fosse for no reason?


Agreed. That is not what happened in either the Pussy collision last season, or Molina last night.
Pussy was out of position, and didn't clear his spikes (which is a fundamental part of blocking the plate so you don't break an ankle or lower leg). Molina just leaned in and happened to connect with the runner's shoulder. I saw no malice by the base runner on either play.

I am not sure what you are asking in your second statement. Please clarify. Did what happen before Rose ruined Ray Fosse's career?
 
2012-08-29 11:21:03 AM  

generalDisdain: Agreed. That is not what happened in either the Pussy collision last season, or Molina last night.
Pussy was out of position, and didn't clear his spikes (which is a fundamental part of blocking the plate so you don't break an ankle or lower leg). Molina just leaned in and happened to connect with the runner's shoulder. I saw no malice by the base runner on either play.


I dont think there needs to be malice for a play to be dirty. I suppose I can back off my initial statement and say there has to be something done about dangerous plays at the plate.

generalDisdain: I am not sure what you are asking in your second statement. Please clarify. Did what happen before Rose ruined Ray Fosse's career?


Was is common for base runners to collide with the catcher in a effort to dislodge the ball in a play at the plate? Did it happen at all?
 
2012-08-29 11:23:30 AM  

generalDisdain: Molina just leaned in and happened to connect with the runner's shoulder.


Leaned in? He was picking the ball out of the dirt.

Agreed on the great throw and play by Molina.
 
2012-08-29 11:29:57 AM  

Gunny Highway: I dont think there needs to be malice for a play to be dirty. I suppose I can back off my initial statement and say there has to be something done about dangerous plays at the plate.


Why? These players make ridiculous amounts of money playing a contact sport. This isn't tennis.
Malice (to me) would be hitting the fielder (doesn't have to be the catcher) with the intent to injure. I think that is different than legally (see below) hitting the fielder to be safe on the play and help your team win.

Was is common for base runners to collide with the catcher in a effort to dislodge the ball in a play at the plate? Did it happen at all?

All the time, and it still does. I watch a lot of MLB and have for decades. You might consider watching plays at the plate that are close, but not huge collisions. The smarter runners will deliberately target the catcher's mitt with their hands, elbows, etc. to dislodge the ball. Now, that is TECHNICALLY illegal, to reach into the fielder's mitt and dislodge the ball, but if the ump doesn't call it, it's not illegal, right?

One of the reasons Ty Cobb is so summarily reviled in baseball circles is because he sharpened his spikes and deliberately injured other players to intimidate them without remorse.

Ken Burns' Baseball is a reasonable documentary with a lot of good history, if you are interested.
 
2012-08-29 11:49:07 AM  
I like the outrage of saying he held onto the ball "Like a man." I've seen "A League of Their Own," biatches be dropping balls at the plate.
 
2012-08-29 11:52:25 AM  

Gunny Highway: generalDisdain: I am not sure what you are asking in your second statement. Please clarify. Did what happen before Rose ruined Ray Fosse's career?

Was is common for base runners to collide with the catcher in a effort to dislodge the ball in a play at the plate? Did it happen at all?


As was said, that happens all of the time. Did then, does now, will in the future (barring some stupid rule put into place). The Rose-Fosse thing was more of a "Why the heck would this happen in an All-Star Game?", as opposed to it happening at all. (And the answer to that is, depending on which side you take, either "Players actually took the ASG seriously back then" or "Rose is an idiot who never knew when to slow down".)
 
2012-08-29 11:53:02 AM  

Gunny Highway: generalDisdain: Molina just leaned in and happened to connect with the runner's shoulder.

Leaned in? He was picking the ball out of the dirt.

Agreed on the great throw and play by Molina.


Yes, he was going with the play on the short-hop to tag the runner. Do you think it was a dirty play by the Pirate player?
 
2012-08-29 11:54:11 AM  
I liked it. It would have been better if he would have gotten up and kicked Molina, but I liked it.
 
2012-08-29 11:55:11 AM  

generalDisdain: Do you think it was a dirty play by the Pirate player?


Pittsburgh players named Harrison do not take cheap shots on people.
 
2012-08-29 11:57:53 AM  
Twenty feet? TWENTY FEET?
 
2012-08-29 11:57:54 AM  
Does anyone have a GIF? It's like porn for Reds fans.
 
2012-08-29 12:00:03 PM  

generalDisdain: Gunny Highway: generalDisdain: Molina just leaned in and happened to connect with the runner's shoulder.

Leaned in? He was picking the ball out of the dirt.

Agreed on the great throw and play by Molina.

Yes, he was going with the play on the short-hop to tag the runner. Do you think it was a dirty play by the Pirate player?


I think he had the clear intention lighting him up on the play. Molina getting hit high is a result of the throw. Was the play dirty? No. Will the rules change to protect the catcher from collisions like this? Probably not. Do I like plays like this? No.

I would like to see some rule changes so catchers arent sitting ducks but I understand why the arent changed.
 
2012-08-29 12:02:07 PM  

Gunny Highway: Was is common for base runners to collide with the catcher in a effort to dislodge the ball in a play at the plate? Did it happen at all?


Pete Rose's actions in that all-star game were nothing new at all. It has been around since the beginning of baseball. It may have been a shock that it happened in the all-start game, but people just thought it was a great baseball play.

Running in to the catcher is on the tame end of what used to happen in baseball games. Some Ty Cobb guy used to go in to second base with his spikes in the air hoping to grab the shortstop/second baseman in the knee, leg, or face...
 
2012-08-29 12:02:28 PM  

Gunny Highway: I would like to see some rule changes so catchers arent sitting ducks but I understand why the arent changed.


It's not a rule, but here's something that might help.....Don't block the plate. If you want to stand where the runner has the right of way, good luck to you.

/SF has instructed Posey not to.
 
2012-08-29 12:03:56 PM  

Gunny Highway: I would like to see some rule changes so catchers arent sitting ducks but I understand why the arent changed.


No one makes the catcher a sitting duck other than himself
 
2012-08-29 12:04:36 PM  

Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.


Or STFU and leave in one of the more exciting parts of a semi-boring game.

/catcher through college
//got run over plenty of times
 
2012-08-29 12:04:43 PM  

Gunny Highway: I would like to see some rule changes so catchers arent sitting ducks


Catchers getting hung out to dry are usually the result of a bad or late throw. There isn't really anything else to do about it.

The alternative is to have catchers set up in front of or behind the plate and go for a tag (many teams are now instructing their catchers to do that). Then, if they still get run-over, you could blast the runner for being dirty.
 
2012-08-29 12:15:12 PM  
Lighten up, feminists.

Like a man.

As opposed to a boy, not a woman.
 
2012-08-29 12:18:25 PM  

bulldg4life: Gunny Highway: I would like to see some rule changes so catchers arent sitting ducks

Catchers getting hung out to dry are usually the result of a bad or late throw. There isn't really anything else to do about it.

The alternative is to have catchers set up in front of or behind the plate and go for a tag (many teams are now instructing their catchers to do that). Then, if they still get run-over, you could blast the runner for being dirty.


Fair enough to everyone above.
 
2012-08-29 12:33:15 PM  
Jesus, that was a gigantic hit. It reminded me of Thor vs. Hulk in the Avengers.
 
2012-08-29 12:38:49 PM  
The other guy's a dickhead for not at least checking on him, saying "hey,good work holding the ball", pat him on the leg to be like "hey no hard feelings"... SOMETHING. Besides that play looked fine.

Besides, the last time I saw a shoulder block like that was on Monday...

cdn.bleacherreport.net

/you bet your ass the catcher drops the ball if one of THESE bad boys comes flying in
 
2012-08-29 12:41:07 PM  
So, uh, the Steelers could use some more depth at safety. Just sayin'
 
2012-08-29 12:45:02 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: /you bet your ass the catcher drops the ball if one of THESE bad boys comes flying in


What is the wrestler going to do when he realizes the catcher is not going to help sell the move by falling at the same time in a coordinated move?
 
2012-08-29 12:45:50 PM  

Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.


Easier than that: You take out my catcher, the next pitch you see will be at eye level and as hard as I can throw it.
 
2012-08-29 12:48:27 PM  
That brings back memories of high school ball... [shudder] A catcher's best bet is to get low and hold on tight. I'm just glad I never had to play against dudes that big and fast.

/Still have scars on the side of both knees from getting spiked just off the shinguards.
 
2012-08-29 12:50:33 PM  

calm like a bomb: Gunny Highway: They need to do something about catchers being open targets at the plate.

Make it illegal for the to block the plate, make it illegal to tackle the catcher, both.

Easier than that: You take out my catcher, the next pitch you see will be at eye level and as hard as I can throw it.


Yeah, there's really nothing to be addressed. Leave it alone. Catchers wear as much protection as hockey goalies, and players will police themselves. Plus the runner takes a chance of messing themselves up colliding with the mask or shinguards.
 
2012-08-29 12:55:04 PM  
pissing off women in less than 140 characters isn't all that great of an accomplishment. I've done it in 4 or 5 on multiple occasions
 
2012-08-29 01:00:11 PM  
Catchers are fair game, if they're gonna block the plate like that.

It's happened in the past and will continue to happen. The only thing they need to be taught is proper positioning, so when they get hit, they don't get launched backwards.
 
2012-08-29 01:05:08 PM  

professorkowalski: The only thing they need to be taught is proper positioning, so when they get hit, they don't get launched backwards.


Hell, if they were smart, they could just go for headshots on the runner (since they're more heavily protected) then tag the guy when he's KTFO.
 
2012-08-29 01:07:26 PM  
Me, before RTFA: "Please be A.J. Pierzynski... Please be A.J. Pierzynski... DAMMIT."

/still fun
 
2012-08-29 01:08:17 PM  

IAmRight: Hell, if they were smart, they could just go for headshots on the runner (since they're more heavily protected) then tag the guy when he's KTFO.


Wouldn't work.

Catchers are supposed to be taught to brace for a hit, like the one in the video.

When done correctly, a catcher will be able to catch and turn, and be in a position, semi crouched, where if you get hit, you won't move.
 
2012-08-29 01:14:44 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: The other guy's a dickhead for not at least checking on him, saying "hey,good work holding the ball", pat him on the leg to be like "hey no hard feelings"... SOMETHING. Besides that play looked fine.


What's kinda funny is that during the infamous Cousins - Posey collision, Cousins DID stand right over Posey for several seconds asking if he was okay, and yet he still got death threats.

I wonder how bad the outrage would've been had "Buck McCareerMinorLeaguer" been the catcher that night instead. I'm guessing "little".
 
2012-08-29 01:15:53 PM  

Killer Cars: Cousins DID stand right over Posey for several seconds asking if he was okay, and yet he still got death threats.


Dude, Sandusky's victims are getting them. Sports are a cancer.
 
2012-08-29 01:17:29 PM  

professorkowalski: Wouldn't work.

Catchers are supposed to be taught to brace for a hit, like the one in the video.


Yeah, so why not explode into the runner, put your shoulder up into his chin? It's really no different than throwing at someone for running the catcher, except that the person being hit actually poses a threat. I'd think that would cut down on people trying to run you over, if you consistently knocked 'em out.

/it'd take MLB at least three years to figure out what a punishment should be
 
2012-08-29 01:19:41 PM  

NashMcNash: Twenty feet? TWENTY FEET?


Not sure if there's a joke in there, but either way, I'm not sure the mask went twenty INCHES on the first bounce. After the first bounce distance doesn't count in my book on things like this.
 
2012-08-29 01:21:43 PM  

IAmRight: professorkowalski: Wouldn't work.

Catchers are supposed to be taught to brace for a hit, like the one in the video.

Yeah, so why not explode into the runner, put your shoulder up into his chin? It's really no different than throwing at someone for running the catcher, except that the person being hit actually poses a threat. I'd think that would cut down on people trying to run you over, if you consistently knocked 'em out.

/it'd take MLB at least three years to figure out what a punishment should be


The way the rules are writte, that would be impeding progress. Same as standing in the middle of the baseline, and waiting for a runner, and getting in his way. Can't do that.

Now, standing on top of the plate, you're not impeding progress. If you watch a catcher, generally they're standing over the plate, not up the third base line. That minor difference is the difference between a clean play and impeding progress.
 
2012-08-29 01:23:51 PM  
These are great strategies for all those times when catchers receive a perfect throw, with plenty of time to make the play. Happens all the time.

/except Sportroll's idea which denies physics.
 
2012-08-29 01:28:14 PM  

professorkowalski: The way the rules are writte, that would be impeding progress. Same as standing in the middle of the baseline, and waiting for a runner, and getting in his way. Can't do that.


I'm thinking more of if you don't already have the ball, so the guy's probably going to be safe anyway. So why not pop 'em? They're fine with trying to run you over, so why shouldn't you get to drill 'em?
 
2012-08-29 01:31:38 PM  
That's baseball. The play at the plate is one of the most exciting in sports. I can understand outlawing blocking the plate at the youth baseball level, but in the big leagues it comes down to who wants it more. With all that gear, if the catcher properly executes, the runner takes the brunt of the collision. That's why the catcher wears armor.

/I've been knocked out twice, fielding bad throws in the baseline, at first base 
//grit your teeth
 
2012-08-29 01:31:51 PM  

IAmRight: I'm thinking more of if you don't already have the ball, so the guy's probably going to be safe anyway. So why not pop 'em? They're fine with trying to run you over, so why shouldn't you get to drill 'em?


Hell, if the runner needs to be wary of being "popped" at any time by the catcher crossing home plate, they should just take their bats with them once they reach base as a weapon to defend themselves, and then....
 
2012-08-29 01:36:50 PM  

Killer Cars: Hell, if the runner needs to be wary of being "popped" at any time by the catcher crossing home plate, they should just take their bats with them once they reach base as a weapon to defend themselves, and then....


...baseball would be entertaining!

/I like that it's acceptable strategy to intentionally run down a catcher who has the ball in the hope of knocking it out of his hands, but not acceptable for the catcher to anticipate this and hit the runner pre-emptively
//like being the catcher wasn't already the sh*ttiest position in baseball to get stuck playing
 
2012-08-29 01:41:26 PM  

The Muthaship:
Dude, Sandusky's victims are getting them. Sports are a cancer.


sports are great.

would you rather have the drunk idiotic fans talking about important things that may have an impact on our lives someday, or worry more about who the greatest quarterback to never throw a td on opening day the year after losing the super bowl in the AFC from 1975-1991. If Jim Bubba Watkins has nothing to do on a sunday, he could be dangerous. many ignorant things have not been said because ole Jimmy was too busy and can't decide who he should draft in the 4th round..
 
2012-08-29 01:43:48 PM  

IAmRight: Killer Cars: Hell, if the runner needs to be wary of being "popped" at any time by the catcher crossing home plate, they should just take their bats with them once they reach base as a weapon to defend themselves, and then....

...baseball would be entertaining!

/I like that it's acceptable strategy to intentionally run down a catcher who has the ball in the hope of knocking it out of his hands, but not acceptable for the catcher to anticipate this and hit the runner pre-emptively
//like being the catcher wasn't already the sh*ttiest position in baseball to get stuck playing


Impeding progress. Interference. That's all that matters.
 
2012-08-29 01:44:41 PM  

bart2puck: The Muthaship:
Dude, Sandusky's victims are getting them. Sports are a cancer.

sports are great.

would you rather have the drunk idiotic fans talking about important things that may have an impact on our lives someday, or worry more about who the greatest quarterback to never throw a td on opening day the year after losing the super bowl in the AFC from 1975-1991. If Jim Bubba Watkins has nothing to do on a sunday, he could be dangerous. many ignorant things have not been said because ole Jimmy was too busy and can't decide who he should draft in the 4th round..


Fair point
 
2012-08-29 01:55:21 PM  

professorkowalski: Impeding progress. Interference. That's all that matters.


If you're giving up the run anyway, then it doesn't matter. One run usually doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot.
 
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