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(NPR)   Mitt Romney's Mormon spring: will it help him or hurt him in an age of The Book of Mormon?   (npr.org) divider line 85
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2012-08-29 08:49:49 AM
"On a personal level and a spiritual level, I might care a great deal about what somebody believed doctrinally. In the context of a presidential election, I don't care," DeMoss says.

As long as your side wins, right?

What a POS.
 
2012-08-29 08:58:02 AM
I don't f*cking care about him being a Mormon.

I care about him being an out of touch Plutocrat who literally cannot comprehend the lives of people who aren't obscenely wealthy, and his complete and utter lack of character and beliefs beyond solidifying the power of America's version of the aristocracy.
 
2012-08-29 09:16:43 AM
He should totally tell everyone the story about how he diligently protested in favor of the draft but then used his mormonism to get out of actually going himself.
 
2012-08-29 09:25:30 AM
encrypted-tbn2.google.com

Springtime for Romney and Utahhhh....
 
2012-08-29 09:40:43 AM
Romney could become the first Mormon president.

He's already the first Mormon who doesn't want to talk about his faith.
 
2012-08-29 09:41:34 AM

Aarontology: I don't f*cking care about him being a Mormon.

I care about him being an out of touch Plutocrat who literally cannot comprehend the lives of people who aren't obscenely wealthy, and his complete and utter lack of character and beliefs beyond solidifying the power of America's version of the aristocracy.


While he might also be a Plutocrat, Oligarchy is the technical term for "rule by the wealthy." Plutocrat would imply that Romney is conceivably one of the "few" who is capable of leading. As you intend, that is not friggin' possible. He certainly is out of touch in any event. And his Mormon God thingy is no different from any other the others down to the FSM.
 
2012-08-29 09:42:17 AM

quatchi: "On a personal level and a spiritual level, I might care a great deal about what somebody believed doctrinally. In the context of a presidential election, I don't care," DeMoss says.


He went on to say, "Besides, have you heard that Obama's a secret Muslim? We have to get that guy out of the White House before he forces Hillary into a burka and suicide bombs a tour group!"
 
2012-08-29 09:42:34 AM
I ask the same question about religion that I would ask to every candidate - "How does your religion inform and guide your policy decision?"
 
2012-08-29 09:42:44 AM
er, from any of the others . . . (I'm a dolt).
 
2012-08-29 09:43:23 AM
I know this one! Hurt!
Why hasn't a super PAC pulled a Jeremy Wright on Rmoney yet? Divining rods, the Adam/God Theory, black people and the mark of Cain, Joseph Smith's wives. There's a lot to work with, and Mitt's required to believe this stuff to be a member in good standing.
 
2012-08-29 09:43:56 AM
I have maggots in my scrooootum.
 
2012-08-29 09:45:21 AM

oh and once I saw a blimp: I know this one! Hurt!
Why hasn't a super PAC pulled a Jeremy Wright on Rmoney yet? Divining rods, the Adam/God Theory, black people and the mark of Cain, Joseph Smith's wives. There's a lot to work with, and Mitt's required to believe this stuff to be a member in good standing.


The 1870's were a harsh time for the non-white folks.
 
2012-08-29 09:45:57 AM
The numbers have been running roughly the same for well over a year.

Now that the election is just over 2 months away, they haven't changed significantly. Romney hasn't gotten the bounces he should have.

I think it's fairly obvious at this point that Romney doesn't have much of a chance.

And why should he? He touts his business career as his biggest qualification, but doesn't want to discuss it at all.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:31 AM
Pollster Jones notes that Romney faces another hurdle as he tries to explain his faith. Most Americans don't know any Mormons because they're concentrated in Utah and the Mountain West.
 
2012-08-29 09:52:39 AM
It's time for him to man up all over himself
 
2012-08-29 09:59:16 AM

pregerstheHobo: It's time for him to man up all over himself


Hello!
 
2012-08-29 10:02:56 AM
Heard this on the commute to work this AM.
My wife didn't believe me about the Magic Mormon Underwear. And then they mentioned it.
 
2012-08-29 10:03:31 AM
Joseph Smith put rocks in a hat and looked into them to get revelations from 'god'.

Stones.

in a hat.
 
2012-08-29 10:05:59 AM

Tigger: He should totally tell everyone the story about how he diligently protested in favor of the draft but then used his mormonism to get out of actually going himself.


We get it, he's Mormon.
Stop with the religious hatred already.
 
2012-08-29 10:08:50 AM

canyoneer: Pollster Jones notes that Romney faces another hurdle as he tries to explain his faith. Most Americans don't know any Mormons because they're concentrated in Utah and the Mountain West.


They just have to mention that we have had a Mormon leading the Senate for a lot of years and somehow the dems are okay with that and you can still buy alcohol and soda in this country. (or insert whatever fear you have about Mormons)
 
2012-08-29 10:10:30 AM
I heard this on NPR today, it was an interesting story. The Mormon girl they had on made a good case for why Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.
 
2012-08-29 10:11:11 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Tigger: He should totally tell everyone the story about how he diligently protested in favor of the draft but then used his mormonism to get out of actually going himself.

We get it, he's Mormon.
Stop with the religious hatred already.


Pst...so's Harry Reid. And his religion is not much of an issue within his party.
 
2012-08-29 10:11:28 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Tigger: He should totally tell everyone the story about how he diligently protested in favor of the draft but then used his mormonism to get out of actually going himself.

We get it, he's Mormon.
Stop with the religious hatred already.


Hey look, it's 10 pounds of deliberate obtuseness is a 5 pound sack.

Morning, Cheesy! ^__^

The point there is that Mittens is a blatant hypocrite and a chickenhawk and not that there is anything wrong with being religious.

But you knew that, didn't you?
 
2012-08-29 10:11:44 AM

Headso: I heard this on NPR today, it was an interesting story. The Mormon girl they had on made a good case for why Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.


It won't work, Humanity is a quality that is actively despised by the base he so desperately needs to activate.
 
2012-08-29 10:11:45 AM

theknuckler_33: Joseph Smith put rocks in a hat and looked into them to get revelations from 'god'.

Stones.

in a hat.


catholics believe they turn bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus...then they take a bite and a sip.

Mormonism IS crazy messed up, but they have lots of company.

/Romney's the kind of guy who protests in favor of the Vietnam war, then goes to France to avoid fighting in it.
//A guy who claims he's been paying too much in taxes, insists he needs a tax cut, then refuses to show what he's been paying in taxes.
///basically a total dick, who is also a Mormon...so he's a dick in underwear he believes to be magic...
 
2012-08-29 10:11:57 AM

Headso: I heard this on NPR today, it was an interesting story. The Mormon girl they had on made a good case for why Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.


I don't think telling people that Jesus sailed a canoe across the ocean to give golden plates to the Indians that let Smith learn that black people were cursed by god is exactly what the GOP needs right now.
 
2012-08-29 10:12:36 AM

theknuckler_33: Joseph Smith put rocks in a hat and looked into them to get revelations from 'god'.

Stones.

in a hat.


www.i4m.com

Dumb da dumb dumb daaaaa...
 
2012-08-29 10:13:17 AM

farkityfarker: The numbers have been running roughly the same for well over a year.

Now that the election is just over 2 months away, they haven't changed significantly. Romney hasn't gotten the bounces he should have.



What about the convention bump?

Oh....

www.rasmussenreports.com
 
2012-08-29 10:13:28 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mormon.


more like M0rm0n...
 
2012-08-29 10:13:51 AM

Tigger: Headso: I heard this on NPR today, it was an interesting story. The Mormon girl they had on made a good case for why Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.

It won't work, Humanity is a quality that is actively despised by the base he so desperately needs to activate.


All his base cares about is getting the black guy out of office. His shiatty likability polling might improve among moderates by being more candid.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:21 AM

Headso: Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.


If his party was somewhat sane, this would make perfect sense. He needs the religious conservatives, and they don't even like people that pray to Jesus somewhat differently.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:38 AM
He should just throw this in his speech Thursday night.

Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life, and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, America, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:51 AM

farkityfarker: The numbers have been running roughly the same for well over a year.

Now that the election is just over 2 months away, they haven't changed significantly. Romney hasn't gotten the bounces he should have.
uhhh, you do know that back in January 0bama had a huge lead, right? Now it is well within the margin of error with 0bama only holding a 1 point lead.

I think it's fairly obvious at this point that Romney doesn't have much of a chance.

And why should he? He touts his business career as his biggest qualification, but doesn't want to discuss it at all.
no it is 0bama who doesn't want to discuss it. That is why he has to lie about Romney's taxes, killing a woman, committing a felony, etc.
0bama is not running on his record, because as he said 3 years ago, he should be a one term president based on where the economy is.

 
2012-08-29 10:15:43 AM
tenpoundsofcheese was sexually touched by a fact when he was a small boy. Since then he just can't stand to be around them. It's sad really.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:14 AM

sprawl15: Headso: I heard this on NPR today, it was an interesting story. The Mormon girl they had on made a good case for why Romney should talk more openly about his religion to humanize himself more.

I don't think telling people that Jesus sailed a canoe across the ocean to give golden plates to the Indians that let Smith learn that black people were cursed by god is exactly what the GOP needs right now.


Nobody talks about the retarded parts of their religion, why does Romney have to? He can talk about the volunteerism and charity work he has done and his family values.
 
2012-08-29 10:19:03 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama is not running on his record


Republicans are being told to parrot the can't run on his record line to poison the well because he actually can run on his record. He has an economy that has improved after a disaster of a republican president and he has foreign policy successes.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:48 AM

Headso: Nobody talks about the retarded parts of their religion, why does Romney have to? He can talk about the volunteerism and charity work he has done and his family values.


Because the way that the church is different is pretty much across the board. Were he capable of keeping the discussion purely superficial, and he could frame it in terms of charity work and donations, it might be useful but at that point bringing up the church is only risk. The 'concern' is that his religion isn't Real Christianity, and there's no way to really address that without starting to get into the details.

So unless he wants to seriously fight THAT battle, it's best to just keep his charity work, donations, whatever non-denominational.
 
2012-08-29 10:22:30 AM
Romney: I have a business experience that I will use to make this country great again

America: ok, you ran Bain...uh, looks like they made a lot of money shipping jobs overseas and shorting pension funds.

Romney: I retro-actively wasn't even there at that time.

America: ok?

Romney: People like me, the super-wealthy, have been paying too much in taxes.

America: alright, how much have you been paying in taxes?

Romney: I'm not going to tell you, you'll just be mad.

America: wtf?
 
2012-08-29 10:22:44 AM
I don't care about his life as a Mormon. I want to know about his service to Mammon.
 
2012-08-29 10:24:07 AM

Im_Gumby: pregerstheHobo: It's time for him to man up all over himself

Hello!


Ever since I saw that show, "All American Prophet" plays in my head any time I see Rmoney.
 
2012-08-29 10:24:44 AM
Romney looked us in the eye
And spouted out a bunch of lies
He's now the GOP's main guy
Hasa diga ebowai
 
2012-08-29 10:24:48 AM
And in other news, the Mormons in Mesa just terminated the guy who wrote Arizona Senate Bill 1070.

Worsley...was recruited by moderate Republicans...and picked up support from a wide swath of Mesa's old-guard Mormon political establishment."
 
2012-08-29 10:25:03 AM

sprawl15: The 'concern' is that his religion isn't Real Christianity, and there's no way to really address that without starting to get into the details.


That's only a concern among people who desperately want the black democrat out of office
 
2012-08-29 10:35:35 AM

Headso: sprawl15: The 'concern' is that his religion isn't Real Christianity, and there's no way to really address that without starting to get into the details.

That's only a concern among people who desperately want the black democrat out of office


Which is exactly the demographic he's catering to. He's not going to snatch the Green Party vote by letting people know he tithes to his church.

His biggest problem right now is getting his base fired up. He's relying almost entirely on the momentum of being Not Obama. There's no way at this point for him to net a gain in votes by shifting towards the center.
 
2012-08-29 10:42:51 AM
Pretty sure there's enough ammo against R.money without going after his religion. It looks like a low blow and it could pretty easily backfire against Democrats if it looks like they're picking on him for his Constitutional right to freedom of belief.

Stick to talking about tax returns, Bain, offshore accounts, outsourcing, flip-flopping, etc.
 
2012-08-29 10:45:07 AM

Snacktastrophe: Romney looked us in the eye
And spouted out a bunch of lies
He's now the GOP's main guy
Hasa diga ebowai


fc05.deviantart.net

Great. Now I've got that stuck in my head.
\thanks a bunch.
 
2012-08-29 10:54:34 AM

sprawl15: Headso: sprawl15: The 'concern' is that his religion isn't Real Christianity, and there's no way to really address that without starting to get into the details.

That's only a concern among people who desperately want the black democrat out of office

Which is exactly the demographic he's catering to. He's not going to snatch the Green Party vote by letting people know he tithes to his church.

His biggest problem right now is getting his base fired up. He's relying almost entirely on the momentum of being Not Obama. There's no way at this point for him to net a gain in votes by shifting towards the center.


I think there are votes to be gained by humanizing himself and raising his likability rating. His base is fired up because there is a black seekrit muslim usurper from kenya in office right now and he has to go at all costs.
 
2012-08-29 10:58:30 AM

Headso: I think there are votes to be gained by humanizing himself and raising his likability rating. His base is fired up because there is a black seekrit muslim usurper from kenya in office right now and he has to go at all costs.


Yeah, he can gain votes, but at what cost?

If he steps over a line and the teabaggers decide to revolt, he loses the election. If he turtles up and continues to spout bullshiat like the welfare work requirements, he has a decent chance of lying his way into office. The latter is a MUCH safer move.

I mean, you're talking about a very very small demographic of people who are either undecided or barely decided and can be swayed by knowing that Romney has spent money/time on charitable work. I couldn't imagine that's more than about a dozen people. Your average Freeper purge wipes out more votes than that.
 
2012-08-29 11:04:51 AM

soup: Pretty sure there's enough ammo against R.money without going after his religion. It looks like a low blow and it could pretty easily backfire against Democrats if it looks like they're picking on him for his Constitutional right to freedom of belief. Stick to talking about tax returns, Bain, offshore accounts, outsourcing, flip-flopping, etc.


You know what's funny about all of that? That's just what the rich do. The offshore bank accounts and offshoring stuff was enabled by "free trade" - that is, the opening of the economy and particularly the free flow of capital - that was championed and signed into U.S. law by...Bill Clinton.

As to the tax avoidance and parking money in offshore accounts and all of that, any wealthy person with a good accountant and tax man (all of them) does it. That's the way the laws are written, and all wealthy people take advantage of it...Hollywood movie stars, wealthy Democrats in Congress, the Kennedys, Ted Turner, Willard Romney, George Bush, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, the CEO of Apple Computers, all of them. Once Barack Obama leaves the White House, he will rapidly accumulate tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and he will do it, too.

So, we have a regulatory environment that allows or even compels the wealthy to do all of this, all the wealthy do it regardless of whatever superficial philosophy they espouse or party affilaition they claim, and this regulatory environment was created with the full participation of both parties. And we have a power elite in both parties that do these things.

Yet, it somehow seems to be an issue in this election, as if Willard Romney is somehow unusual or uniquely evil in this regard. I can only speculate that the American public is so stupid, so dim-witted, and comprised of such a rabble of out-of-it morons, that they simply don't realize this and have a tenuous grip on reality, and can be swayed by the argument that Willard Romney is a bad guy because he's a rich guy who does rich guy things. Maybe it's bad that things are arranged this way, but as long as the bankers own the two parties, there is no HOPE that it will CHANGE. It really has little or nothing to do with Willard Romney himself at all.
 
2012-08-29 11:05:37 AM
I don't care about his religion. I care that he doesn't have any real positions and that he seems mean-spirited.
 
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