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(Sports Illustrated)   Butthurt ex-Penn State profs are butthurt   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 12
    More: Stupid, Penn State, NCAA, Tim Curley, Mike McQueary, NCAA sanctions, graduate assistant, Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky  
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2012-08-29 01:43:38 PM  
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'Perhaps you feel you're being treated unfairly?'
2012-08-29 04:45:18 PM  
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slykens1: Dr_luckyz: This isn't snarky, but what do you think is an appropriate punishment? I don't get why we never hear this complaint when schools lose scholarships for smaller violations, but i hear non-stop now how the players shouldn't be hurt for something they didn't do?

I don't have a problem with the vacated wins - it's an FU to Joe but so be it. He farked up.

I don't have a problem with the $60 million fine - on the basis some good comes of it.

I don't have a problem with probation - Penn State has never had a compliance problem in regards to athletics so I'm not concerned about future violations of NCAA bylaws.

I don't believe that I have a big problem with the scholarship reductions - this is the most punishing part. It certainly will hurt.

I do have a problem with the bowl ban - on the basis I would have required bowl money to go along with the fine - ie the school could not benefit financially from participating but the current players would have the opportunity to go.

I do have a problem with the immediate transfer offer - seems like a perversion of "amateur" athletics to have opposing schools coaches crawling all over town and campus trying to poach players. 

I do believe the NCAA should have conducted its own investigation even if they came to the same conclusions. I do believe the NCAA should have followed its established procedures in handing down sanctions. And I do believe that if I were negotiating and a four year death penalty was threatened I'd tell them to fark off and I'd see them in court. The last thing the NCAA wants is judicial review of its powers.


I don't understand how any of this makes any sense. You don't wan't the current players to be punished yet you're against the immediate transfer offer? You don't want the current players to be punished because they had nothing to do with it but you're okay with the past players having their victories and championships nullified even though they had nothing to do with it?

I don't think you get it, the football program is being punished. It is impossible to punish the football program at Penn State without also punishing the people who take part in the football program. So you punish the fark out of the football program and let players who had nothing to do with it leave if they want. That's how you achieve the goal you say you want. Instead, you're asking for the exact opposite. Force the players to stay, take away their scholarships and cut their playing budget by $12 million a year for 5 years. Man, you're kinda a dick.
2012-08-29 01:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Tough call. If I'd been a prof there for twenty years, didn't give two shiats about football (and let's face it, there's tons of profs like that at every school) and knew damn well I gave players no preferential treatment I would probably be pissed and want to say something about it. Then again if I were a prof I'd probably be pretty smart and realize that the public sentiment was against any kind of defense in this matter and I'd realize I was just pissing into the wind anyway.

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Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."


--some pedophile enabler
2012-08-29 01:30:19 PM  
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Coach_J: WTF Indeed: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

You do realize that the Freed Report did not show any on field violations, which is the only thing the NCAA can legislate.

Completely false.

ANYTHING (whether on the field or not) associated with Intercollegiate Athletics the NCAA has a charter agreed to by the NCAA member institutions to Legislate, Investigate, Enforce, etc. The Universities give the NCAA this power...not the other way around.

Recruitment violations, Educational eligibilty, Institutional control, improper student/athlete benefits, etc...these are all policed by the NCAA and are not "on field violations".

/Continue making up more stuff
//And being a jackass


Naw, let them run with that.

Forget that 4-year death penalty crap and boot PSU from the NCAA completely.

Justification: none of us want your sex offender school, facilities, students or faculty around our schools, facilities, students, and faculty.
2012-08-29 01:12:02 PM  
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

You do realize that the Freed Report did not show any on field violations, which is the only thing the NCAA can legislate.


Completely false.

ANYTHING (whether on the field or not) associated with Intercollegiate Athletics the NCAA has a charter agreed to by the NCAA member institutions to Legislate, Investigate, Enforce, etc. The Universities give the NCAA this power...not the other way around.

Recruitment violations, Educational eligibilty, Institutional control, improper student/athlete benefits, etc...these are all policed by the NCAA and are not "on field violations".

/Continue making up more stuff
//And being a jackass
2012-08-29 12:39:45 PM  
1 votes:
I bet Lasaga and Hiroshi Ohmoto sogned on to the complaint too.
2012-08-29 12:37:29 PM  
1 votes:
In other words, they are just starting to figure out what recent Penn State graduates are learning every day now - any mention of Penn State on your resume/CV is poison. Hiring managers, like your humble poster here, are seeing 20 to 30 resumes for good paying jobs in this economy. The cut from say 20 down to the 3 that we're actually going to interview is not a long process. Even trivial issues like a misspelled word can get your resume sent to the bottom of the pile. Associated with a discredited institution? Plonk. Bottom of the pile.
2012-08-29 12:15:49 PM  
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2012-08-29 11:39:58 AM  
1 votes:

lacrossestar83: Fark this "adjective noun is adjective" meme.

/and Penn State


Shiatty memes are shiatty.
2012-08-29 11:37:35 AM  
1 votes:
The faculty leaders took special issue with the NCAA, saying it jumped to conclusions in finding the school had a long history of putting football over academics. The former teachers said they had hundreds of years of collective experience at Penn State and had never been asked to change grades for athletes or approve of phantom courses or majors.


"Well yeah PSU covered up a child molester and let it continue for at least 10 years but probably a lot longer so the football program wouldn't look bad but WE DIDNT CHANGE ANY GRADES OKAY?!??!?"

Good argument you guys got goin on there. Shame if somethin happened to it.
2012-08-29 11:27:03 AM  
1 votes:
"Not only are these assertions about the Penn State culture unproven, but we declare them to be false," the statement said. The signers include former engineering professors Richard G. Cunningham, who led the faculty senate in 1967-68, and Jean Landa Pytel, who led the group in 2010-2011.

Oh really? And you declare that on the basis of your exhaustive investigation which involved knee-jerk reactions and pulling things out of your ass?

Sounds like a pack of quality educators right there.
2012-08-29 08:20:37 AM  
1 votes:
If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.
 
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