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(Sports Illustrated)   Butthurt ex-Penn State profs are butthurt   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 25
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2012-08-29 12:01:44 PM  
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: qorkfiend: Maybe if they weren't screaming loudly about how the treatment of said pedophiles and the people who protected them is unfair, they wouldn't have that problem.

Again, the professors were complaining about the NCAA sanctions against the school. The NCAA's focus is solely on-field play and the violations of their rules about who can play. Even members of the Freeh group said their report had nothing in it that should lead the NCAA to levee sanctions against the program. What the NCAA did was play the PR game, they took an investigation that wasn't their own and did not investigate violations of their rules and used it to levee sanctions against a school.


Yup.

The whole "We're fining you $60 million but you cannot take it out of athletics" thing is BS and shows the NCAA doesn't care about academics at all (but we all knew that already).

That's what the profs are pissed about.
2012-08-29 11:06:06 AM  
3 votes:
Tough call. If I'd been a prof there for twenty years, didn't give two shiats about football (and let's face it, there's tons of profs like that at every school) and knew damn well I gave players no preferential treatment I would probably be pissed and want to say something about it. Then again if I were a prof I'd probably be pretty smart and realize that the public sentiment was against any kind of defense in this matter and I'd realize I was just pissing into the wind anyway.
2012-08-29 08:20:37 AM  
3 votes:
If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.
2012-08-29 01:12:02 PM  
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

You do realize that the Freed Report did not show any on field violations, which is the only thing the NCAA can legislate.


Completely false.

ANYTHING (whether on the field or not) associated with Intercollegiate Athletics the NCAA has a charter agreed to by the NCAA member institutions to Legislate, Investigate, Enforce, etc. The Universities give the NCAA this power...not the other way around.

Recruitment violations, Educational eligibilty, Institutional control, improper student/athlete benefits, etc...these are all policed by the NCAA and are not "on field violations".

/Continue making up more stuff
//And being a jackass
2012-08-29 11:51:38 AM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: Maybe if they weren't screaming loudly about how the treatment of said pedophiles and the people who protected them is unfair, they wouldn't have that problem.


Again, the professors were complaining about the NCAA sanctions against the school. The NCAA's focus is solely on-field play and the violations of their rules about who can play. Even members of the Freeh group said their report had nothing in it that should lead the NCAA to levee sanctions against the program. What the NCAA did was play the PR game, they took an investigation that wasn't their own and did not investigate violations of their rules and used it to levee sanctions against a school.

A proper NCAA investigation that results in sanctions takes months to years. The NCAA took a calculated risk that if they did a proper investigation as ordered by their bylaws they could spend months and find no NCAA violations that merited the sanctions the public demanded. Instead it chose a path that gave the public what it wanted, but left it open to the stories like the one here.

Basically, the NCAA reenacted the scene in Blazing Saddles where the governor is told of the bombing of Rock Ridge.

"We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!"
2012-08-29 11:36:15 AM  
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: they are also insulted at the insinuation that the entire PSU school is filled with people who support pedophiles.


Maybe if they weren't screaming loudly about how the treatment of said pedophiles and the people who protected them is unfair, they wouldn't have that problem.
2012-08-29 11:23:39 AM  
2 votes:

JohnBigBootay: Tough call. If I'd been a prof there for twenty years, didn't give two shiats about football (and let's face it, there's tons of profs like that at every school) and knew damn well I gave players no preferential treatment I would probably be pissed and want to say something about it. Then again if I were a prof I'd probably be pretty smart and realize that the public sentiment was against any kind of defense in this matter and I'd realize I was just pissing into the wind anyway.


If I was an innocent professor, I'd want sanctions that didn't affect academics. I'm not a sympathizer; I think Sanduskey should rot in jail along with anyone else who knew about his actions. I think that basing sanctions off the Freeh report which didn't interview key witnesses at the request of the prosecution is shady as hell. I know it's not a trial, but the defense should get to say their part, or the NCAA should at least make their evidence available.

Elfich: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

and we are done here.


No, we aren't. Any true PSU supporter would want all the facts to come out so that the guilty can be punished but the innocent can continue educating how they are supposed to. Only a PSU football program supporter should be against a deeper investigation.
2012-08-29 04:48:39 PM  
1 votes:

IAmRight: beta_plus: Tell that to the guys who used to work here:

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I'm supposed to tell them that in a large organization, there are many different facets of the business with many different jobs? Or were you meaning to quote another post?

In any case, no agency forced AA to close their doors. The people lost their jobs because no one wanted to hire the organization, which meant there was no money to pay anyone. People still want to go to PSU, so your comparison is completely irrelevant.

/not that relevancy or thought really has anything to do with most of the "punish MOAR" crowd


Their clients "voluntarily" left because AA had their legal ability to audit revoked, but let's not let troubling things like "facts" get in the way.

The simple fact is that if a corporation had done what PSU did in multiple departments you would be screaming for its destruction. You're only giving it a pass because it's a university.
2012-08-29 04:24:15 PM  
1 votes:
Holy crap. Dr. Pytel was the Dean of the College of Engineering back when I was at PSU. Nice lady, too. She helped me through a lot of administrative issues. I can't believe she signed on to this nonsense. For one thing, the Freeh Report doesn't accuse Penn State of putting football above academics, just above the university's normal rules and, of course, the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the United States. For another, it looks like the fine won't hit Penn State's academic side. They're using the athletics reserve fund and capital maintenance budget to pay for it. So they'll have to hold off on some building renovations; boo friggin' hoo.
2012-08-29 02:24:59 PM  
1 votes:

slykens1: I don't have a problem with the $60 million fine - on the basis some good comes of it.


The problem with the $60m fine is the mandate that it can't come from the Athletic department. Which is basically the NCAA saying, "You need to pay money to satisfy us, but it can't hurt anything that helps keep our own payroll going."
2012-08-29 02:10:37 PM  
1 votes:

slykens1: Another thread that's great for farkying dipshiats.

I admittedly live in State College. I want to see the total truth come out even if it is sickening. I believe the administrators who failed to act should be prosecuted. I believe that Joe did what was legally required but completely whiffed on his moral obligations - even if, as claimed, he didn't really understand what he was being told he should have demanded someone look into the issue completely because he had the power to do that. (I find that excuse thin - he was planning to become an attorney before coming to work for Rip Engle so he was not an idiot)

What I do not agree with is punishing the current players as there was NO competitive advantage gained. Don't give me the "damaged reputation" argument. Had Sandusky been kicked off campus entirely and investigated (and prosecuted) in 2001 no one would have thought anything more about it even though there were apparently properly investigated allegations from 1998 because those allegations *were* investigated by law enforcement. It is almost as though the dipshiats in charge didn't learn anything from Watergate OR the Catholic Church. (And further lacked the moral fiber to protect children above all else)


How can you punish a program without punishing the student-athletes? You can't. How can you punish the athletic department and insulate the academic programs from financial liability? You can't. This is what you sign up to when you create an academic institution that contains an athletic program so big that it becomes the focal point of the university. In the Freeh report it even states that they didn't report Sandusky because of a culture that wanted to protect the reputation of the program and university as a whole no matter the cost. It's nice to see that these professors and yourself are proving that report to be true.
2012-08-29 01:57:03 PM  
1 votes:
Another thread that's great for farkying dipshiats.

I admittedly live in State College. I want to see the total truth come out even if it is sickening. I believe the administrators who failed to act should be prosecuted. I believe that Joe did what was legally required but completely whiffed on his moral obligations - even if, as claimed, he didn't really understand what he was being told he should have demanded someone look into the issue completely because he had the power to do that. (I find that excuse thin - he was planning to become an attorney before coming to work for Rip Engle so he was not an idiot)

What I do not agree with is punishing the current players as there was NO competitive advantage gained. Don't give me the "damaged reputation" argument. Had Sandusky been kicked off campus entirely and investigated (and prosecuted) in 2001 no one would have thought anything more about it even though there were apparently properly investigated allegations from 1998 because those allegations *were* investigated by law enforcement. It is almost as though the dipshiats in charge didn't learn anything from Watergate OR the Catholic Church. (And further lacked the moral fiber to protect children above all else)
2012-08-29 01:43:38 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-08-29 01:37:35 PM  
1 votes:

crazytrain: In other words, they are just starting to figure out what recent Penn State graduates are learning every day now - any mention of Penn State on your resume/CV is poison. Hiring managers, like your humble poster here, are seeing 20 to 30 resumes for good paying jobs in this economy. The cut from say 20 down to the 3 that we're actually going to interview is not a long process. Even trivial issues like a misspelled word can get your resume sent to the bottom of the pile. Associated with a discredited institution? Plonk. Bottom of the pile.


That's a win/win. Who would want to work for a company with hiring practices that capricious anyway? The management & HR are most likely totally incompetent through and through.
2012-08-29 01:37:23 PM  
1 votes:
From the comments

Let's be clear....it's not Sandusky;'s acts that caused the sanctions...it's the Penn State administrative organization that didn't stop it. Sandusky had his day. He's in jail (hopefully becoming an all-star wide receiver) for the rest of his life. The next issue is the way the entire Penn State community handled the problem. And that was wrong. And if you support their actions, you fall into that catagory, too. Please look at the facts.

One of the most rational comments on the subject I have heard, except for the prison rape part.

WTF Indeed: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

You do realize that the Freed Report did not show any on field violations, which is the only thing the NCAA can legislate. It also didn't take into account the charity where a the majority of crimes were have rumored to take place. You also can't seem to grasp the idea that while those connected to Penn State are outraged at the actions profiled in the Freed Report, they are also insulted at the insinuation that the entire PSU school is filled with people who support pedophiles.

It's almost as if guilt by association is the hallmark of ignorant people who feed off the outrage such associations infer.


Actually the NCAA can legislate lack of institutional control. I think turning a blind eye to a member of your football program raping little boys, or a person who acted as an emissary for your to your program and used the facilities to rape little boys and lure victims, to protect the program constitutes a lack of institutional control. Don't you think so? 

And another thing, nobody is claiming that PSU is a school filled with people that support child rape. People can support the sanctions against the school and not think that everybody that ever attended or worked for PSU supports child rape. That is something that you PSU apologist that don't think anything should happen to the school even though the administration was complacent in covering up the rape can't understand.
2012-08-29 01:01:36 PM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.

Also considering the NCAA had the votes needed to drop a 4 year death sentence on PSU football, trying to pick a fight with the NCAA seems ill advised.


The NCAA would not only lose the ensuing lawsuit, that kind of thing may well break them entirely.

Meatschool: You are, of course, aware that judging an applicant's ability based upon how a few people (not directly involved in the kid's education) handled Sandusky, not the quality of the academic program from which they graduated, doesn't make you a good hiring manager, right? It just makes you an asshole.


This is true, but most people, including most Farkers, just want to see the PSU football program go down. They don't give a rat's ass about actually punishing those responsible.
2012-08-29 12:57:02 PM  
1 votes:

crazytrain: In other words, they are just starting to figure out what recent Penn State graduates are learning every day now - any mention of Penn State on your resume/CV is poison. Hiring managers, like your humble poster here, are seeing 20 to 30 resumes for good paying jobs in this economy. The cut from say 20 down to the 3 that we're actually going to interview is not a long process. Even trivial issues like a misspelled word can get your resume sent to the bottom of the pile. Associated with a discredited institution? Plonk. Bottom of the pile.


You are, of course, aware that judging an applicant's ability based upon how a few people (not directly involved in the kid's education) handled Sandusky, not the quality of the academic program from which they graduated, doesn't make you a good hiring manager, right? It just makes you an asshole.
2012-08-29 12:39:45 PM  
1 votes:
I bet Lasaga and Hiroshi Ohmoto sogned on to the complaint too.
2012-08-29 12:15:49 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-08-29 11:41:59 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: Freeh defended his work Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press. Addressing specific criticism that his team did not interview Mike McQueary and other key witnesses, Freeh said his team respected requests by state prosecutors to rely on their grand jury testimony. McQueary is the graduate assistant who saw Sandusky, a former assistant football coach, in the shower with a boy in 2001.
"We did not interview him; that was at the request of the attorney general," Freeh said. "Some of the people we normally would have interviewed, we were asked by the prosecutors not to do so."

Weren't some of the early issues from the state AG office? Like they had evidence and didn't pursue prosecution? So we want to fully rely on a report wherein the scope of the investigation is limited by a party that was involved in the scandal? It doesn't seem odd that people with state power had ties to Second Mile and may have influenced the decision. Nope, it's all about football.
2012-08-29 11:37:35 AM  
1 votes:
The faculty leaders took special issue with the NCAA, saying it jumped to conclusions in finding the school had a long history of putting football over academics. The former teachers said they had hundreds of years of collective experience at Penn State and had never been asked to change grades for athletes or approve of phantom courses or majors.


"Well yeah PSU covered up a child molester and let it continue for at least 10 years but probably a lot longer so the football program wouldn't look bad but WE DIDNT CHANGE ANY GRADES OKAY?!??!?"

Good argument you guys got goin on there. Shame if somethin happened to it.
2012-08-29 11:27:03 AM  
1 votes:
"Not only are these assertions about the Penn State culture unproven, but we declare them to be false," the statement said. The signers include former engineering professors Richard G. Cunningham, who led the faculty senate in 1967-68, and Jean Landa Pytel, who led the group in 2010-2011.

Oh really? And you declare that on the basis of your exhaustive investigation which involved knee-jerk reactions and pulling things out of your ass?

Sounds like a pack of quality educators right there.
2012-08-29 11:25:13 AM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.


You do realize that the Freed Report did not show any on field violations, which is the only thing the NCAA can legislate. It also didn't take into account the charity where a the majority of crimes were have rumored to take place. You also can't seem to grasp the idea that while those connected to Penn State are outraged at the actions profiled in the Freed Report, they are also insulted at the insinuation that the entire PSU school is filled with people who support pedophiles.

It's almost as if guilt by association is the hallmark of ignorant people who feed off the outrage such associations infer.
2012-08-29 11:20:53 AM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: If I were a PSU supporter, the last thing I'd want is a deeper investigation into the Sandusky mess.


Also considering the NCAA had the votes needed to drop a 4 year death sentence on PSU football, trying to pick a fight with the NCAA seems ill advised.
2012-08-29 10:11:03 AM  
1 votes:
Thats funny, I bet the 10 year old boys Sandusky was raping in the ass were kind of "butt hurt" too.
And Penn State's senior administration knew about it and covered it up for 15 years.
 
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