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(Daily Mail)   SEAL Team Six member claims that contrary to reports, Bin Laden put up no fight. "In all of my deployments, we routinely saw this phenomenon. The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 55
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2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM  
11 votes:
Dear SEAL Team 6 members:
Please kindly go back to doing your awesome job and STFU.
2012-08-29 09:45:26 AM  
8 votes:

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him
2012-08-29 09:56:41 AM  
7 votes:
A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.
2012-08-29 09:10:43 AM  
6 votes:
Mr. SEAL guy, you probably didn't give him much of an opportunity to fight back. One can get a bit confused and discombobulated when a couple of helicopters come dashing in at night like that, unleashing a couple dozen heavily trained and very well armed warriors who start murdering everyone with a hint of threat to them.

But then, that's the point, isn't it? Not a good plan if you give your enemy much time to think and react.
2012-08-29 09:50:42 AM  
5 votes:
I'd assume that the old dude with a bunch of medical problems wouldn't put up much of a fight. I'd also assume the SEALS had orders to kill OBL in cold blood if needed. If you take him prisoner you have the remains of al-Qaeda grabbing up every Westerner they can in an attempt to get hostages and force his release.

If anything the government might be lying about killing him onsite. Maybe he was taken alive, the CIA worked him over for info for a week or two and then they tossed him off the side of the Stennis. Although I'd tend to just assume they just shot the farker and figured they could get what they needed from his papers and computer.
2012-08-29 09:53:44 AM  
4 votes:
No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.
2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM  
4 votes:
Pussy or not, Osama is dead and fish food, which I'm okay with.
2012-08-29 09:48:46 AM  
4 votes:
Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?
2012-08-29 11:44:00 AM  
2 votes:
What's amusing to me is how, according to some people, if a leader (the president, for example) authorizes a military action and it fails, he gets almost all the blame (like the failed hostage rescue mission Jimmy Carter got the blame for in 1980), but if it succeeds, he's not supposed to get any credit for it.

Unless, of course, he dresses up in a flight suit and struts onto an aircraft carrier in front of a gigantic banner that says "Mission Accomplished." Then he's cool.

If the Bin Laden mission had failed, we'd still be hearing about how Obama farked it up and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Congress probably would have initiated treason charges against him or some ridiculous shiat like that.

I bet they hate him more for the success than they ever would have if it had failed. A failed mission they would have been able to use in their PR for decades. But a success? Worthless to them, politically.

Not that any of them has the balls to admit it.
2012-08-29 11:42:01 AM  
2 votes:
The difference between Obama and Dubya is that Dubya would have hosted the press conference in a SEAL uniform and would have constantly dropped (false) hints that he'd shot the guy himself.

As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.

I am disturbed at how many military people seem to be striking out at their CinC this election season. I wonder what's coloring their judgment this time around.
2012-08-29 11:17:53 AM  
2 votes:

rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?


Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.
2012-08-29 11:12:06 AM  
2 votes:
So, murderers murdered murderer.

Murder
2012-08-29 10:28:16 AM  
2 votes:
farkityfarker

Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


Yes.
2012-08-29 10:26:07 AM  
2 votes:

Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Why do either of you find those things puzzling?

A large portion of "the right" and "the left" in the USA are neither right nor left but Republicans and Democrats playing a game.
2012-08-29 10:21:33 AM  
2 votes:

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.
2012-08-29 10:16:43 AM  
2 votes:

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.
2012-08-29 10:14:25 AM  
2 votes:

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.
2012-08-29 10:05:00 AM  
2 votes:

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
2012-08-29 10:02:03 AM  
2 votes:
Dear Seal Team Six,
If you ever find yourself in a fair fight,
Your Intel SUCKS!
2012-08-29 09:56:49 AM  
2 votes:
Zero Dark Thirty,' directed by Oscar-winner Kathryn Bigelow will open December 19

After watching her fundamental lack of understanding just about anything related to military operations on display in The Hurt Locker, I think I'll pass. I can already see the SEAL team jumping out of a News Channel 4 helicopter armed with AKs chasing Bin Laden through a crowded market.
2012-08-29 09:56:44 AM  
2 votes:
The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?
2012-08-29 09:49:19 AM  
2 votes:

Icetech3: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him


We were also secretly within a sovereign Islamic nation at the time. I would give them a pass for being a little squishy on the details of his death.
2012-08-29 09:47:07 AM  
2 votes:
Great Daily Fail article. I could barely make sense of it.
2012-08-29 09:29:52 AM  
2 votes:
So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'


And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?
2012-08-29 09:41:06 PM  
1 votes:
What the fark is the fascination and circle jerk surrounding special ops? They're well trained gorillas who are armed to the teeth and taught to obey direction and carry out objectives that were determined by political and corporate boardmembers that were graduating Harvard and Yale when these spec-ops guys were still in diapers. I feel sorry for them. Stooges in the game of war. The epitome of a non-thinking job.
2012-08-29 03:23:45 PM  
1 votes:

clevershark: I am disturbed at how many military people seem to be striking out at their CinC this election season. I wonder what's coloring their judgment this time around.


SpectroBoy: (so screw the country and screw the rules, you want to cash in and take a few cheap shots at the BLAH person in the whitehouse, right?)


King Something: It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.


Yes, all criticism of our current President is only due to racism. You guys are so oppressed. Wait, that's the wrong word. Pathetic, that's what I was looking for. You guys are pathetic.
2012-08-29 01:58:16 PM  
1 votes:
Am I the only one that doesn't find the author credible? The Seal Team members are disciplined to enough to do the job they have to do in one of the most elite organizations in the world, but not disciplined to keep their yaps shut about it like you know they were told to do?
2012-08-29 01:45:29 PM  
1 votes:

900RR:

Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.


So being ready to send troops into harms way even in the face of manufactured evidence, keeping them from rotating out and destroying the civilian careers or reservists and national gaurd members to make up for slow recruitement numbers is the proper conservative way to show respect to military service members?

Oh right, you need to put a magentic ribbon your car.
2012-08-29 12:39:01 PM  
1 votes:

spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


FTA: The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was

Or, the FARK corollary:
i243.photobucket.com
2012-08-29 12:36:24 PM  
1 votes:

farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


No you are not. I presume the worship of them as superhuman beings comes from people whose Tom Clancy collections are unreadable because dried semen has stuck the pages together.
2012-08-29 12:21:35 PM  
1 votes:

granulorhoek: Way to put country first, douche.


Exactly. This jack-hole is going against the Navy SEAL tradition of keeping you farkin mouth shut.

Furthermore, he is OBVIOUSLY a partisan who is trying to help the Republicans.

* Bissonnette writes disparagingly that none of the SEALs were fans of President Barack Obama and knew that his administration would take credit for ordering the May 2011 raid

(way to respect the commander in chief there skippy. )

* He says Biden told 'lame jokes' no one understood, reminding him of 'someone's drunken uncle at Christmas dinner.'

(sounds relevant to the Bin Laden raid and politically impartial to me, asshat)

* the book did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees

(so screw the country and screw the rules, you want to cash in and take a few cheap shots at the BLAH person in the whitehouse, right?)

Yeah, this guy sounds like a real American Hero to me. I bet the other SEALS on the team would like to kick his ass right about now.
2012-08-29 12:16:51 PM  
1 votes:

soy_bomb: calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.

You are welcome to try to shut it for him.


Speak when spoken to, douchenozzle.
2012-08-29 12:02:02 PM  
1 votes:

spacelord321: Also, could they do what you did? Without you they would be dead in those situations.


Could they? Depends which job we're talking about. My seagoing job was on a sub - every SEAL I've met has stated unequivocally that they would go crazy stuck in a metal tube underwater for that length of time. My shore tours have, in one fashion or another, been behind a computer in a support role, sometimes for them. Could they do that job? Yeah, we even had a retired SEAL working with us. He'd have much preferred being back in the field, though.

And I don't know that I have the hubris to say that they'd have been dead without me. In the earlier days of SpecWar, they didn't have nearly the support structure they do now, and they still got the job done. Now they just do it more efficiently, more quickly, and with cooler toys.
2012-08-29 11:54:48 AM  
1 votes:

soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk


Sorry he doesn't match up with your "White House jet-pilot war hero" image of W. now He was a hero.
2012-08-29 11:51:25 AM  
1 votes:

clyph: Obama ran as a progressive; as president he's been a moderate conservative. That hasn't escaped people's notice. They'll still vote for him the second time around because a moderate conservative is better than a reactionary one most people have the political acumen of lemmings and are easily manipulated by simplistic rhetoric and empty promises.


FTFY.

/Applies equally to (R) and (D) voters
2012-08-29 11:48:53 AM  
1 votes:
I'm also amused that anybody thinks that anybody in America who doesn't hate Obama gives a shiat what Bin Laden was doing when he was killed.

As far as most people are concerned, Bin Laden was killed 10 years too late. And that's it.

If anybody has a reason to be mad about the mission, it's the Pakistani government, because it made them look like the corrupt, incompetent, unreliable "allies" that they really are.
2012-08-29 11:33:39 AM  
1 votes:
Way to put country first, douche.
2012-08-29 11:27:36 AM  
1 votes:
First rule of Seal Team Six is you don't talk about Seal Team Six.
Now a member of the actual team has a book coming out on 9/11/12.
Something is not kosher here.
Also, a bunch of Seals were trying to "Swiftboat" Obama recently for taking too much credit for the raid, but they can write books about it and milk it for all it's worth?
2012-08-29 11:16:28 AM  
1 votes:
Clever? No. T

uber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.


Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.
2012-08-29 11:10:43 AM  
1 votes:

calm like a bomb: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


Ha. Take a look at soy_bomb's post a few up. And thanks for proving my point, retard.
2012-08-29 11:06:20 AM  
1 votes:

Headso: right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics.




Ha. You have to admit that is a two way street. Hell, what do left wingers not make into a political statement? From fashion, to food, to modes of transportation, it seems that how one votes effects every facet of a person's personality.

You would think that these over-political people have not had any experiences in life -- to develop their develop their character organically. What they like an don't like is determined my the canned personality they buy into when they choose a political party to follow.
2012-08-29 11:01:05 AM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: FTA: "Beyond such embarrassing observations, U.S. officials fear the book may include classified information, as it did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees."

This is how I know this book is a propaganda ploy.
If national security were at risk or a law had been broken, the FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly. This alleged retired SEAL agreed to be tossed in prison if he EVER did something like this.
But folks here just want particulars to argue about, never mind the legitimacy of the premise to begin with.


I call B.S.


I came here to say something similar - it's obvious that this story is just fantasy dreamed up at the GOP Derp Factory in order to "swift boat" Obama just before the election. (I doubt this will even help Richboy and Robbing)

Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

The only part that leaves me no doubt is the crack about Joe Biden's lame jokes.
2012-08-29 10:50:43 AM  
1 votes:
About the only thing I'd add is that the timeline of the raid shows it took around 15 minutes from the time the raid started to the time they installed a new hole in OBL's brain bucket. Fifteen minutes is a long time when you're thinking that it's your last 15 minutes.

In that amount of time, OBL might have considered donning a suicide vest and try to take some of his attackers out with him (a scenario senior AQ folk had alluded to on quite a few occasions previously). The Seals may or may not have received a directive from the White House to zap OBL but regardless, they certainly weren't going to be bringing him out alive. With his wives there, there would have been no way they'd be able to capture him alive and hustle his ass on board a helicopter without such word getting out...so no, it would never have even been contemplated as a capture mission even if he'd come out buck nekkid with his hands held high. Just think of the number of Americans suddenly seized hostage worldwide when word leaked (as it tends to do in both the current White House much less a pissed off Pakistan) that we had OBL as a prisoner. No, when they popped him peeking around the door and he's still moving on the floor, they put extra rounds into him in the event he was booby trapped. It's simply common sense.

And as for the discrepancy of the account: who effing cares. That asshole deserved to die. I only hope in his last moments he was shiatting his pants in abject terror of his upcoming appointment with Iblis.
2012-08-29 10:50:32 AM  
1 votes:
Lumpmoose,

Sorry, I think you've missed the point of my original response to you comment. I was not (and am not) interested in debating the fine points re: the raid, Bin Laden's death and who said what happened and when.

I was simply trying to point out that the probable reason you saw no discrepancy between what you read on the Wikipedia page and this morning's news stories revising earlier reports about the raid is because the Wikipedia entry has already been edited to reflect this morning's new narrative.

That's it. Nothing more.
2012-08-29 10:47:06 AM  
1 votes:
Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction


Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.
2012-08-29 10:42:59 AM  
1 votes:
This seal team 6 member seems like a partisan douchebag... right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics. It's always the worst when you go golfing and you are put with one of these ass faces to round out your foursome or you sit down at the bar and...uh great blowhardy McGee wants to tell you how Obama is a seekrit muslim from Kenya.
2012-08-29 10:31:42 AM  
1 votes:

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


So BillCo: what are the "facts"? since you apparently know them well enough to make a judgment.
2012-08-29 10:31:14 AM  
1 votes:
The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was

So this SEAL does not look down on leaders that are gung-ho to send young soldiers into battle while shying away from it them selves?

Will his team be ready to go to Iran for this pistol slinging stud?

extras.mnginteractive.com
2012-08-29 10:17:24 AM  
1 votes:

kim jong-un: The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.


I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.
2012-08-29 10:09:33 AM  
1 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


To quote Marcus Luttrell, the SEAL who wrote Lone Survivor, "If you're in the government, you do everything you can; you talk, you negotiate, you debate, you do everything you can to keep me from going over there. But once I'm over there, turn your back and cover your eyes because I'm going to farking wreck shop."
2012-08-29 10:09:28 AM  
1 votes:

Boudica's War Tampon: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


That's not actually what Bush said.

"And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
is what it was.
2012-08-29 10:04:59 AM  
1 votes:
Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
www.contraweb.org

It was not always true in others:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-08-29 10:01:58 AM  
1 votes:

greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.


QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.
2012-08-29 09:57:59 AM  
1 votes:
Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?
2012-08-29 09:54:47 AM  
1 votes:

farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


I'd like to hear more from the Brown SEALS.

yhsbiology.wikispaces.com

They don't think their enemies are pussies.
 
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