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(Daily Mail)   SEAL Team Six member claims that contrary to reports, Bin Laden put up no fight. "In all of my deployments, we routinely saw this phenomenon. The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 266
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2012-08-29 08:26:17 AM  
It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?
 
2012-08-29 09:10:43 AM  
Mr. SEAL guy, you probably didn't give him much of an opportunity to fight back. One can get a bit confused and discombobulated when a couple of helicopters come dashing in at night like that, unleashing a couple dozen heavily trained and very well armed warriors who start murdering everyone with a hint of threat to them.

But then, that's the point, isn't it? Not a good plan if you give your enemy much time to think and react.
 
2012-08-29 09:29:52 AM  
So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'


And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?
 
2012-08-29 09:45:26 AM  

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him
 
2012-08-29 09:47:07 AM  
Great Daily Fail article. I could barely make sense of it.
 
2012-08-29 09:48:46 AM  
Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?
 
2012-08-29 09:49:19 AM  

Icetech3: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him


We were also secretly within a sovereign Islamic nation at the time. I would give them a pass for being a little squishy on the details of his death.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM  
Dear SEAL Team 6 members:
Please kindly go back to doing your awesome job and STFU.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM  
Pussy or not, Osama is dead and fish food, which I'm okay with.
 
2012-08-29 09:50:42 AM  
I'd assume that the old dude with a bunch of medical problems wouldn't put up much of a fight. I'd also assume the SEALS had orders to kill OBL in cold blood if needed. If you take him prisoner you have the remains of al-Qaeda grabbing up every Westerner they can in an attempt to get hostages and force his release.

If anything the government might be lying about killing him onsite. Maybe he was taken alive, the CIA worked him over for info for a week or two and then they tossed him off the side of the Stennis. Although I'd tend to just assume they just shot the farker and figured they could get what they needed from his papers and computer.
 
2012-08-29 09:53:44 AM  
No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.
 
2012-08-29 09:54:47 AM  

farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


I'd like to hear more from the Brown SEALS.

yhsbiology.wikispaces.com

They don't think their enemies are pussies.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:03 AM  
That article was obviously written by a non-english speaking 4th grader, and then run through google translater.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:05 AM  
FTFA: "Biden was like 'someone's drunken uncle at a Christmas party'."

So, he told racist jokes and tried to start a fight after he got soused? And his sister had to calm him down before Dad punched his lights out?

Good times . . .
 
2012-08-29 09:56:41 AM  
A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:44 AM  
The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?
 
2012-08-29 09:56:49 AM  
Zero Dark Thirty,' directed by Oscar-winner Kathryn Bigelow will open December 19

After watching her fundamental lack of understanding just about anything related to military operations on display in The Hurt Locker, I think I'll pass. I can already see the SEAL team jumping out of a News Channel 4 helicopter armed with AKs chasing Bin Laden through a crowded market.
 
2012-08-29 09:57:59 AM  
Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?
 
2012-08-29 10:00:26 AM  

Lumpmoose: So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'

And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?


The only argument I've heard that it is significantly different is that the official report says the SEALs shot Osama when they saw he was alive because they believed he may have been attempting to reach for a weapon, and it ultimately turned out he was unarmed but had 2 guns hidden near the doorway. That's not conflicting though; the SEALs believing he was potentially armed could turn out to mean he was unarmed but believed to still be hostile, and haven't heard clarification if they believed he was trying to draw a weapon out of his clothes or trying to shift towards a certain area of the room where a weapon might be hidden. If this story was something like "Obama lied; we secured bin Laden alive and then placed two bullets in his head" or "one of the SEALs actually was shot and critically wounded on the mission, but he pulled through ok" it would be a big deal, but this all sounds fairly in line with the report.

BillCo, I'm curious: how would the Obama story differ from this ex-SEALs account to make for a better story? I would think "bin Laden was a scared little wussy boy like all terrorists are; we got him before he even saw it coming" would make for a much better PR story than "bin Laden tried to resist, but was no match for our boys on the ground"? Both accounts suggest he was likely mortally wounded by the initial headshot but was still alive afterwards, at which point the SEALs delivered the "double tap" as it were.

Just glad this isn't the "I'm a Hollywood screenwriter, but I was in the Navy during the Gulf War so I know the true story of the bin Laden raid" that came out earlier this year. This guy may be legit.
 
2012-08-29 10:00:49 AM  
Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.

"Bring it on!", says the man looking for work.
 
2012-08-29 10:01:58 AM  

greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.


QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.
 
2012-08-29 10:02:03 AM  
Dear Seal Team Six,
If you ever find yourself in a fair fight,
Your Intel SUCKS!
 
2012-08-29 10:02:15 AM  
Ehhh....I tried editing and still my post above came out wrong. I shouldn't try to have deep thoughts before lunchtime.
 
2012-08-29 10:03:16 AM  
"When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment,"

English or GTFO!
 
2012-08-29 10:04:24 AM  
Vice President Joe Biden is painted in a less flattering light. When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, he writes, Biden told 'lame jokes' no one understood, reminding him of 'someone's drunken uncle at Christmas dinner'.

How YOU doin?
 
2012-08-29 10:04:59 AM  
Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
www.contraweb.org

It was not always true in others:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-29 10:05:00 AM  

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
 
2012-08-29 10:06:07 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.


Oh dear, we'd better not offend fundamentalist maniacs.

Anyway back on topic: I never actually heard about the White House retracting the account of the "armed bin Laden with a human shield" story. What's that quote again? "A lie can go halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on."

Also, you were an idiot if you believed the original account. Remember Saddam and his "spider hole"?
 
2012-08-29 10:07:01 AM  
I find it very difficult to believe that the government didn't know that this was coming out.

I also wonder, given the previous, how much of the reason for this book's release is to tarnish some of the martyr "shine" OBL has garnered.

// glad the crazy fark is dead, nevertheless
 
2012-08-29 10:07:05 AM  

Professczar: Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?


As you yourself pointed out, that intial assertion was corrected within a few days of the operation. The official government report of the incident is in line with the book. Someone might have gotten it wrong coming out the gate, but the administration's account is the same as what this SEAL is alleging.
 
2012-08-29 10:07:25 AM  

lunchinlewis: "When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment,"

English or GTFO!


It sounds kinky.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:28 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


That's not actually what Bush said.

"And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
is what it was.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:33 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


To quote Marcus Luttrell, the SEAL who wrote Lone Survivor, "If you're in the government, you do everything you can; you talk, you negotiate, you debate, you do everything you can to keep me from going over there. But once I'm over there, turn your back and cover your eyes because I'm going to farking wreck shop."
 
2012-08-29 10:10:41 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]


Holy shiat! Is that NARC?
 
2012-08-29 10:14:13 AM  
This means that Jesse Ventura is automatically President and Obama has to clean the latrines on the USS Nimitz with a toothbrush,.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:25 AM  

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:59 AM  
I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world
 
2012-08-29 10:15:56 AM  
The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:05 AM  

ha-ha-guy: I'd also assume the SEALS had orders to kill OBL in cold blood if needed


I read somewhere (can't remember where - I'm on the Internet all damn day) that their orders for that raid weren't couched in the usual "neutralize the target" type euphemisms. Instead, they said "Shoot him twice in the head at point-blank range."

No idea if this is true or not, but it is the kind of situation where you really don't want any ambiguity.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:43 AM  

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.
 
2012-08-29 10:17:24 AM  

kim jong-un: The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.


I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:06 AM  

Bleyo: Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]

Holy shiat! Is that NARC?


Yes. Loved the violence in that game when it came out. The problem was that you needed a shiatload of lives to get past the final boss.

I also loved the 80s approach to drugs: the drug problem will be solved once we kill all the drug users.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:09 AM  

calm like a bomb: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.


Hey I'm adding that to the list....

Currently we have......

"President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter", Hopey McChangeypants, Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Barackabeedoobeedoobeedo, Hussein-In-The-Membrane, Black Thunder, Dr. Utopia, Rainbow King, Obamarambo, Fartbongo, II"

AND

Presidential Canduhdate Mitt "The Shiat" Romney, Romneyhood, Ritz Cracka, Willard the Republitard, El Jefe Acartonado, Mitt-Hit-The-Fan, Milli Vanilli Romni, Papaya Vagina, Romman & Roybin, R-Money, Bain in the Ass, Weather Vane, Mitt and the Magic Tones, Nacho Romney, Fancy Cheesebag, Mighty Mormon Power Ranger, Romneygeddon, Oven Mitt, Mitt-Or-Get-Off-The-Pot, MITTLER!, Retch-A-Sketch, Counterfeit Bits, Willardo "Mitones" Romniguez, Comrade Romnev, MegaRom, Mitt-Outta-Luck, The Knights Who Say Rom NE, White Lightning, Mittriffic, Robama Obamney, Multiple Choice Mitt, Roof Doggy Dog, The Job Cremator, Dim Mitt, Rich "Uncle" Pennybags, Romnobongo



/and we're trolling for new submissions.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:52 AM  
People who send other people to die for their cause while they stay at home are pussies!? You don't say. I always figured members of Congress who have never served in the military were way more badass than those pussy Marines.
 
2012-08-29 10:19:01 AM  

Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world


Whoever leaked his actual name is the bigger dumbass. My friend was in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a unique last name, so they made him wear fake name tags to prevent his family from being targetted. The military takes this kind of thing seriously.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:17 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I read somewhere (can't remember where - I'm on the Internet all damn day) that their orders for that raid weren't couched in the usual "neutralize the target" type euphemisms. Instead, they said "Shoot him twice in the head at point-blank range."


God, it must be confusing to be a Republican (and not saying you are). You have to believe simultaneously that the president is a wimpy, enemy appeasing apologizer who ordered the Seals to put two in Bin Laden's hat, and that both of these are bad. I don't think I could deal with that much brain whiplash.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:24 AM  

Professczar: Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?


May 3, 2011? The raid happened on May 2. So the book and/or subby is trying to milk a 24-hour discrepancy that occurred 15 months ago? That's fine: political points are political points. I just want to make sure that's what we're seeing here.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:33 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Bleyo: Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]

Holy shiat! Is that NARC?

Yes. Loved the violence in that game when it came out. The problem was that you needed a shiatload of lives to get past the final boss.

I also loved the 80s approach to drugs: the drug problem will be solved once we kill all the drug users.


Yeah, I remember that was the first game I saw that had "gibs". Mr. Big was one of the toughest NES bosses ever.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:34 AM  

Bleyo: Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world

Whoever leaked his actual name is the bigger dumbass. My friend was in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a unique last name, so they made him wear fake name tags to prevent his family from being targetted. The military takes this kind of thing seriously.


Was this him?? (Had to be done)
www.gamerdna.com
 
2012-08-29 10:21:33 AM  

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.
 
2012-08-29 10:22:08 AM  

Lumpmoose: Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.


I thought it was officialy a 'kill or capture' mission. Doesn't sound like much effort was put into the 'capture' part. Not that I care, but why don't we just say we went in to take his ass out? Why sugar coat it in BS?
 
2012-08-29 10:22:57 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: No idea if this is true or not, but it is the kind of situation where you really don't want any ambiguity.


I would assume that there would be a formal set of orders for the record and a more informal set of instructions. There is a legend about the raid on Entebbe that there was a preliminary briefing to the effect of "try to not kill a lot of unnecessary people because we don't know who is who and the political situation is in the toilet and this won't help one bit". After that, the briefing officer left, and the mission commander then told the group "shoot every black face you see". You just can't have stuff like that floating around the archives.
 
2012-08-29 10:23:05 AM  
It's rather stupid for any member of an organisation, particularly one financed by the government, to undercut the opposition. It reduces the view of the necessity of having you on the payroll, and can lead to budget and manpower cuts.
/read a lot of Le Carre.
 
2012-08-29 10:23:13 AM  
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-08-29 10:24:04 AM  
SEAL ≠ soldier
SEAL = sailor

FFS
 
2012-08-29 10:24:05 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02



While you are correct about the attitude, George Bush never said this.
 
2012-08-29 10:25:13 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.


Couldn't do the job without intel and logistics. It's not as much fun, but it can be pretty damned fascinating.
 
2012-08-29 10:26:07 AM  

Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Why do either of you find those things puzzling?

A large portion of "the right" and "the left" in the USA are neither right nor left but Republicans and Democrats playing a game.
 
2012-08-29 10:26:08 AM  

Farnn: What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Go find out what "murder" means, then come back and we'll talk.
 
2012-08-29 10:26:18 AM  

pennyrave: how much of the reason for this book's release is to tarnish some of the martyr "shine" OBL has garnered.


800%
 
2012-08-29 10:28:16 AM  
farkityfarker

Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


Yes.
 
2012-08-29 10:28:16 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: While you are correct about the attitude, George Bush never said this.


It does make a certain amount of sense. By that point, Bin Laden wasn't a major force anymore. Al Queida had ceased to be a centralized group funded largely by Bin Laden to a group of franchises. Bin Laden had become a penniless (his family had cut him off a few years back) figurehead living . . . . . somewhere. Knowing who the new guys were would have been FAR more relevant and urgent. Sooner or later Bin Laden would turn up and he could be dealt with then. Which is pretty much what happened.
 
2012-08-29 10:28:26 AM  

fireclown: Fuggin Bizzy: I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.

Couldn't do the job without intel and logistics. It's not as much fun, but it can be pretty damned fascinating.


You're absolutely right, and of course there were a shiat-ton of people that worked on making that raid successful that will never get any recognition. A handful of SEALs put the exclamation point on the sentence, but the whole reason they could do that was the level of support they had.

I just really like saying "gigantic brass balls" whenever possible.
 
2012-08-29 10:30:45 AM  

Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world


If that guy ever comes up to me and asks if he can join Fight Club, I'm just going to look at him and not say anything.

/but I've already said too much
//or have I?

First question; how do we know he is or was even a SEAL?

Second, if he was, is he someone you want to trust with your life?
 
2012-08-29 10:31:14 AM  
The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was

So this SEAL does not look down on leaders that are gung-ho to send young soldiers into battle while shying away from it them selves?

Will his team be ready to go to Iran for this pistol slinging stud?

extras.mnginteractive.com
 
2012-08-29 10:31:18 AM  

mekki: A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.


Hey, swiftboating worked last time. Stick with a winning strategy. Uneducated mouthbreathers (regardless of party) will eat up any lie, no matter how preposterous or transparent, as long as it reinforces their prejudices.
 
2012-08-29 10:31:42 AM  

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


So BillCo: what are the "facts"? since you apparently know them well enough to make a judgment.
 
2012-08-29 10:31:59 AM  
Where's the obvious tag?

I'm sure the excuse would be made that they wouldn't want to sully their hands with the blood of an infidel.

They're all merely cowards, paying others in either material or spiritual wealth to carry out their hatred against others in Gods name - which they ultimately equate with themselves.

The Republican party has been this way for a long time now, you'd think we'd be used to it.

/oh yeah those terrorist guys too
 
2012-08-29 10:32:51 AM  
The interpretation I read this morning contends that there was *another* man in the house, and the *he* offed Bin Laden (and then somehow magically disappeared in the bowels of the house, never to be seen or heard from again).
 
2012-08-29 10:33:25 AM  

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


I love how you're in a pretty blue with the title Modmin Sock puppet.
 
2012-08-29 10:33:41 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I just really like saying "gigantic brass balls" whenever possible.


BY all means carry on then. There aren't a lot of places where it's more appropriate.
 
2012-08-29 10:34:40 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?




Whuh?

Are you somehow suggesting that an elite military unit that follows orders instead of saying "oh, what color is the target's skin?" and deciding whether or not to carry out those orders equals "no self-awareness?"

Not sure I understand that.
 
2012-08-29 10:36:10 AM  
Farnn

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


I don't know anyone on the right that isn't happy that OBL is dead. I'd like to see examples, sources, etc.

I don't know anyone on the left that is okay with straight up murder. OBL and the American cleric were classified as enemy combatants. That nifty distinction comes from the the authority of the President of the US and a target to paste on their foreheads along with a set of steak knives. The President has that legal authority to hand out those distinctions. Get over it.

Two partisan statements with no desire to relate the facts to their politics. I'll TRY to get over that.
 
2012-08-29 10:36:53 AM  

Lumpmoose: Professczar: Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?

May 3, 2011? The raid happened on May 2. So the book and/or subby is trying to milk a 24-hour discrepancy that occurred 15 months ago? That's fine: political points are political points. I just want to make sure that's what we're seeing here.


I just read up on it a bit more. On Monday (the 2nd of May) John Brennan said there were reports that one of Osama bin Laden's wives was essentially caught in the crossfire and that it betrayed what kind of coward bin Laden was to use her as a human shield. However the next day the White House clarified that Brennan had mixed up the account of bin Laden's death with that of Abrar al-Kuwaiti (the courier's brother) and Abrar's wife Bushara who was killed in the crossfire with the SEALs. Have not found any clarification if the official account says al-Kuwaiti attempted to use Bushara to avoid shots or if she was simply in the way.

As far as any reports that bin Laden rushed the SEALs, that was his 23 year old son Khalid bin Laden. Does that make it clear?
 
2012-08-29 10:37:07 AM  

Flaming Yawn: First question; how do we know he is or was even a SEAL?


Because the SEALs are very good at maintaining a list of all active and former SEALs, and any prominent fakers get pretty quickly outed.

Second, if he was, is he someone you want to trust with your life?

With my life? Absolutely, those guys are tough as nails. With my secrets? Eh, maybe not.
 
2012-08-29 10:37:26 AM  

Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world


What Team member would write a book like this unless it was the plan all along?
Control the message, control the battle space.
 
2012-08-29 10:37:54 AM  

Heraclitus: Dear Seal Team Six,
If you ever find yourself in a fair fight,
Your Intel SUCKS!


battleblue1.files.wordpress.comi.ytimg.com 

When the gunboats opened up with the GAU-17/As is probably one of the best parts.
 
2012-08-29 10:40:00 AM  

fireclown: Ctrl-Alt-Del: While you are correct about the attitude, George Bush never said this.

It does make a certain amount of sense. By that point, Bin Laden wasn't a major force anymore. Al Queida had ceased to be a centralized group funded largely by Bin Laden to a group of franchises. Bin Laden had become a penniless (his family had cut him off a few years back) figurehead living . . . . . somewhere. Knowing who the new guys were would have been FAR more relevant and urgent. Sooner or later Bin Laden would turn up and he could be dealt with then. Which is pretty much what happened.


I'm not arguing that he didn't feel that way, I'm simply pointing out that particular quotation is fake. There are plenty of other actual, verifiable quotations from Bush that make the same point, but that one is completely fabricated

It's more a case of me saying "The evidence you have presented to support your opinion is not factual, " not "I disagree with your opinion". Call it nitpicking or semantics if you like, but quotation marks mean something, and it's just as easy to come up with real quotes instead of fake ones
 
2012-08-29 10:41:37 AM  

Farnn: What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Apples and oranges.

OBL was a legitimate military target. Anwar al-Awlaki, not so much.

I personally don't know any democrats who are happy with Obama over the killing of the latter, and more than a few who are seriously pissed about it (and many other things, including his 180 on whistleblowers and his defense of the NDAA).

Obama ran as a progressive; as president he's been a moderate conservative. That hasn't escaped people's notice. They'll still vote for him the second time around because a moderate conservative is better than a reactionary one.
 
2012-08-29 10:42:35 AM  

Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


War is legal massmurder. Accept that. When Admiral Yamamoto, who was stripped of command authority and a political figurehead at the time, was defeated with a headshot from an American fighter it was a political assassination. The only military value in that act was the damage it would do to Japanese moral, and under the executive orders that are in effect now would be illegal.

Osama bin Laden chose armed conflict with the United States but he himself was not protected from American assassination as a head of state, and even if he'd had a state to call his own, he was involved with operational planning. He's a casualty of war. US might have been within its rights to level that compound with a B-52 strike, just to make sure. Who's going to successfully make the case that other equally effective options were available in the abscense of proof? Same shiat with American Taliban Anwar al-Aulaqi, he was part of a military organization in open conflict with American forces. An organization without a state. That last part is extremely important as it puts them outside of some elements of the Geneva conventions ratified by the states. They chose to be men alone in a wilderness of nations. Then they chose to take up arms against the most powerful nation that ever existed. They chose to live without the protection of laws, and that is how they died. That nation chose to invent flying robots loaded with guided missles and no preset kill limit.
 
2012-08-29 10:42:59 AM  
This seal team 6 member seems like a partisan douchebag... right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics. It's always the worst when you go golfing and you are put with one of these ass faces to round out your foursome or you sit down at the bar and...uh great blowhardy McGee wants to tell you how Obama is a seekrit muslim from Kenya.
 
2012-08-29 10:46:35 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I'm not arguing that he didn't feel that way, I'm simply pointing out that particular quotation is fake. There are plenty of other actual, verifiable quotations from Bush that make the same point, but that one is completely fabricated

It's more a case of me saying "The evidence you have presented to support your opinion is not factual, " not "I disagree with your opinion". Call it nitpicking or semantics if you like, but quotation marks mean something, and it's just as easy to come up with real quotes instead of fake ones



Agreed. And that isn't nit picking.
 
2012-08-29 10:47:06 AM  
Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction


Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.
 
2012-08-29 10:50:32 AM  
Lumpmoose,

Sorry, I think you've missed the point of my original response to you comment. I was not (and am not) interested in debating the fine points re: the raid, Bin Laden's death and who said what happened and when.

I was simply trying to point out that the probable reason you saw no discrepancy between what you read on the Wikipedia page and this morning's news stories revising earlier reports about the raid is because the Wikipedia entry has already been edited to reflect this morning's new narrative.

That's it. Nothing more.
 
2012-08-29 10:50:43 AM  
About the only thing I'd add is that the timeline of the raid shows it took around 15 minutes from the time the raid started to the time they installed a new hole in OBL's brain bucket. Fifteen minutes is a long time when you're thinking that it's your last 15 minutes.

In that amount of time, OBL might have considered donning a suicide vest and try to take some of his attackers out with him (a scenario senior AQ folk had alluded to on quite a few occasions previously). The Seals may or may not have received a directive from the White House to zap OBL but regardless, they certainly weren't going to be bringing him out alive. With his wives there, there would have been no way they'd be able to capture him alive and hustle his ass on board a helicopter without such word getting out...so no, it would never have even been contemplated as a capture mission even if he'd come out buck nekkid with his hands held high. Just think of the number of Americans suddenly seized hostage worldwide when word leaked (as it tends to do in both the current White House much less a pissed off Pakistan) that we had OBL as a prisoner. No, when they popped him peeking around the door and he's still moving on the floor, they put extra rounds into him in the event he was booby trapped. It's simply common sense.

And as for the discrepancy of the account: who effing cares. That asshole deserved to die. I only hope in his last moments he was shiatting his pants in abject terror of his upcoming appointment with Iblis.
 
2012-08-29 10:52:00 AM  

BigNumber12: Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction

Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.


Yeah - their marksmanship is breathtaking. Even vanilla non-DEVGRU SEALs are jaw droppingly accurate and quick.
 
2012-08-29 10:53:14 AM  

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


He was their goose that laid the golden eggs, they got a lot of fear mongering, political actions and scratch for their corp. masters because of the OBL boogie man.
 
2012-08-29 10:53:39 AM  

clyph: Farnn: What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.

Apples and oranges.

OBL was a legitimate military target. Anwar al-Awlaki, not so much.

I personally don't know any democrats who are happy with Obama over the killing of the latter, and more than a few who are seriously pissed about it (and many other things, including his 180 on whistleblowers and his defense of the NDAA).


Get to know me! There are no special rights to life confered by American citizenship. The rights enumerated in the Constitution and elsewhere are described as inate, and granted to anyone who lives under the umbrella of American law. Guess what? Aulaqi chose otherwise. He chose to be an officer in a stateless army.

Obama ran as a progressive; as president he's been a moderate conservative. That hasn't escaped people's notice. They'll still vote for him the second time around because a moderate conservative is better than a reactionary one.

He ran as right of Reagan. He campaigned on smaller government doing smarter things for a high ROI, on good ideas that should have been explored 30 years ago. He didn't run on a $20/hr minimum wage, on a 90% upper tax bracket, on decoupling from and outlawing doing business with tax havens. Maybe that's a necessary compromise given the times. I voted for him because McCain and Palin scared the fark outta me.
 
2012-08-29 10:53:44 AM  
I am just sad that they did not have enough time to shove his mouth full of raw bacon and lard, gag him with an american flag, and then shoot him in the head as he choked to death...
 
2012-08-29 10:53:47 AM  
FTA: "Beyond such embarrassing observations, U.S. officials fear the book may include classified information, as it did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees."

This is how I know this book is a propaganda ploy.
If national security were at risk or a law had been broken, the FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly. This alleged retired SEAL agreed to be tossed in prison if he EVER did something like this.
But folks here just want particulars to argue about, never mind the legitimacy of the premise to begin with.

I call B.S.
 
2012-08-29 10:55:39 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur


Ok, you're not the only one to use that term, but it's wrong and annoying. The word "genocide" should be preceded by the victims being genocided. For example, it wasn't the Turkish genocide in circa WWI, it was the Armenian genocide. The "Serbian genocide" would be what happened when Serbs were being killed en masse during WWII. You're referring to what's called the Bosnian genocide, which is a little more confusing because there isn't one ethnicity represented.

And your argument is wrong anyway since we did in fact intervene in Bosnia. We tend to ignore terrorism/genocide when the victims and perpetrators don't look like they belong on a golf course, e.g. Rwanda, Sudan, Indonesia.
 
2012-08-29 10:56:37 AM  
Question: How can jokes be lame as well as "nobody understood them"? If nobody got the jokes, how do they know they're lame?
 
2012-08-29 10:56:42 AM  

BillCo: beep beep bloop bloop


Mission Accomplished.
 
2012-08-29 10:57:41 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?




Oh good, racism. I was getting worried.
 
2012-08-29 10:58:11 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly


Close - the DoD would just buy all the copies.
 
2012-08-29 10:58:16 AM  

Professczar: I was simply trying to point out that the probable reason you saw no discrepancy between what you read on the Wikipedia page and this morning's news stories revising earlier reports about the raid is because the Wikipedia entry has already been edited to reflect this morning's new narrative.

That's it. Nothing more.


Who write history?
Uncle Sugar writes history, that's who.
 
2012-08-29 11:00:01 AM  
Did he peer around the corner with his empty hands visibly in the air too?

It was a kill only mission. I'm OK with it, just stop pulling my leg on this one too Obama.
 
2012-08-29 11:00:03 AM  

Bleyo: Whoever leaked his actual name is the bigger dumbass. My friend was in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a unique last name, so they made him wear fake name tags to prevent his family from being targetted. The military takes this kind of thing seriously.


That would be Fox News. Fair and Balanced.
 
2012-08-29 11:00:25 AM  

Uisce Beatha: HotIgneous Intruder: FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly

Close - the DoD would just buy all the copies.


And toss the Very Special Operator Novelist so far into prison that he'd never be heard from again.
 
2012-08-29 11:01:05 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: FTA: "Beyond such embarrassing observations, U.S. officials fear the book may include classified information, as it did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees."

This is how I know this book is a propaganda ploy.
If national security were at risk or a law had been broken, the FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly. This alleged retired SEAL agreed to be tossed in prison if he EVER did something like this.
But folks here just want particulars to argue about, never mind the legitimacy of the premise to begin with.


I call B.S.


I came here to say something similar - it's obvious that this story is just fantasy dreamed up at the GOP Derp Factory in order to "swift boat" Obama just before the election. (I doubt this will even help Richboy and Robbing)

Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

The only part that leaves me no doubt is the crack about Joe Biden's lame jokes.
 
2012-08-29 11:03:29 AM  
One thing that has come up over and over is the idea that the mission was to capture OBL if they could because. "Americans wouldn't like the idea of assassinations." However, we regularly fling missiles at terrorists from drones with the intent to kill, not capture.
 
2012-08-29 11:04:23 AM  

Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Al-walaki got every right provided for him in the Constitution. He A) was a member and active particpant of a foreign military force engaged in active hostilites against the US B) had formally renounced his American citizenship several times C) was actively planning an attack ont he US with Al-qaeda's chief bomb-maker in Africa when a Hellfire missle vaporized them both.

Unless you are suggesting that the US needed to arrest and try uniformed Wermacht soliders who happene to have been born in America (and there was a signifanct number of them) rather than fighting them on the battlefield during WWII, then the Al-Awlaki case is no different.
 
2012-08-29 11:05:56 AM  

starsrift: Question: How can jokes be lame as well as "nobody understood them"? If nobody got the jokes, how do they know they're lame?


Virtually all jokes (puns included) follow a kind of general mathmatical formula, where there is a discontinuity and there's a lag in resolving the discontinuity. If is surprising but not threatening, it's generally funny generally in proportion to how surprising it is. Puns tend to less surprising so they tend to less funny/kinda annoying, often this can evolve into a meta-funny game where the idea is to as a community exhaust the space of possible puns. In anycase, if one can infer at attempt at humor via this algorithm, one can also deduce where the attempt at humor fell short. Instead of funny, the attempt might be threatening, not surprising, etc.
 
2012-08-29 11:06:20 AM  

Headso: right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics.




Ha. You have to admit that is a two way street. Hell, what do left wingers not make into a political statement? From fashion, to food, to modes of transportation, it seems that how one votes effects every facet of a person's personality.

You would think that these over-political people have not had any experiences in life -- to develop their develop their character organically. What they like an don't like is determined my the canned personality they buy into when they choose a political party to follow.
 
2012-08-29 11:06:45 AM  
www.pjmedia.com
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk
 
2012-08-29 11:06:55 AM  

clyph: mekki: A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.

Hey, swiftboating the facts worked last time. Stick with a winning strategy. Uneducated mouthbreathers (regardless of party) will eat up any lie, no matter how preposterous or transparent, as long as it reinforces their prejudices

now, now. just because some people believe 0bama campaign's lies about Romney's taxes, killing a woman and committing a felony, does not mean they are uneducated mouthbreathers. Be nice.

 
2012-08-29 11:08:15 AM  

jaybeezey: One thing that has come up over and over is the idea that the mission was to capture OBL if they could because. "Americans wouldn't like the idea of assassinations." However, we regularly fling missiles at terrorists from drones with the intent to kill, not capture.


American Citizen terrorists, at that.
 
2012-08-29 11:08:50 AM  

BigNumber12: Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction


Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.


Everyone already agrees that the second his head peeked out shots were fired. The most significant detail disputed is whether the bullet fired then had hit him; according to the military the initial fire missed. Both accounts agree the SEALs arrived in the room to still be moving and at that point fired upon him, actually killing him. I can't figure out a significant difference between either account that would affect anyone's opinion of how the raid was conducted. Osama bin Laden was discovered partially hidden and attempting to evade the SEALs ducking back into the room, shots were fired that were either nigh-fatal or missed completely, and Osama bin Laden was ultimated kill when the SEALs arrived in the room.

If Osama attempted to surrender or something like that I could understand the concern, but this is "how many of the shots actually made contact".
 
2012-08-29 11:08:58 AM  

special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.


Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.
 
2012-08-29 11:09:07 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Uisce Beatha: HotIgneous Intruder: FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly

Close - the DoD would just buy all the copies.

And toss the Very Special Operator Novelist so far into prison that he'd never be heard from again.


While I would be ok with that outcome, I don't know if they've ever prosecuted a guy for writing a book. Sure, Bradley Manning continues to rot in a cell, but even Dick Marcinko, who had already been tossed into jail once, didn't get charged for his book, which I am willing to bet didn't get vetted either.
 
2012-08-29 11:10:43 AM  

calm like a bomb: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


Ha. Take a look at soy_bomb's post a few up. And thanks for proving my point, retard.
 
2012-08-29 11:10:49 AM  

Tickle Mittens: starsrift: Question: How can jokes be lame as well as "nobody understood them"? If nobody got the jokes, how do they know they're lame?

Virtually all jokes (puns included) follow a kind of general mathmatical formula, where there is a discontinuity and there's a lag in resolving the discontinuity. If is surprising but not threatening, it's generally funny generally in proportion to how surprising it is...


That's pretty much exactly my point.
 
2012-08-29 11:12:06 AM  
So, murderers murdered murderer.

Murder
 
2012-08-29 11:13:08 AM  

calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.
 
2012-08-29 11:15:16 AM  
Isn't the headline true for all leaders?

You didn't see Bush or Obama out on the frontlines, they're holed up in their war rooms.

The rule for all "leaders" is that the higher up command you are, the further away from the battle you are because you send the little guys to do the dirty work.
 
2012-08-29 11:16:28 AM  
Clever? No. T

uber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.


Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.
 
rpl
2012-08-29 11:17:04 AM  
Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?
 
2012-08-29 11:17:34 AM  

fireclown: Ctrl-Alt-Del: While you are correct about the attitude, George Bush never said this.

It does make a certain amount of sense. By that point, Bin Laden wasn't a major force anymore. Al Queida had ceased to be a centralized group funded largely by Bin Laden to a group of franchises. Bin Laden had become a penniless (his family had cut him off a few years back) figurehead living . . . . . somewhere. Knowing who the new guys were would have been FAR more relevant and urgent. Sooner or later Bin Laden would turn up and he could be dealt with then. Which is pretty much what happened.


This. Zawahiri would've actually been more of a blow. He was running it anyway.

That said, I am very glad they got Bin Laden and am not voting Republican
 
2012-08-29 11:17:53 AM  

rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?


Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.
 
2012-08-29 11:19:03 AM  

calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.


LOL
 
2012-08-29 11:19:09 AM  

Undo Redo: Isn't the headline true for all leaders?

You didn't see Bush or Obama out on the frontlines, they're holed up in their war rooms.

The rule for all "leaders" is that the higher up command you are, the further away from the battle you are because you send the little guys to do the dirty work.


You're right they do take a little too much credit. Mission Accomplished, and all of that, was bull shiat.

What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.
 
2012-08-29 11:20:12 AM  

calm like a bomb: Clever? No. Tuber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.

Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.


Sorry, pal.

/you the real bomb
 
2012-08-29 11:20:40 AM  

calm like a bomb: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


Also, while he hasn't said it explicitly, White House and Pentagon officials said that he was big on doing simulated runs and training on the compound rather than going in the second the intelligence came through and demanded additional hardware was available in case things went tits up.

This has lead to accusations that Obama was delaying the mission in the hopes Osama would escape first, and he just lucked out that the demand for an extra helicopter stopped an assload of SEALs from being stranded there after the raid. Yes, some people actually believe this.
 
2012-08-29 11:20:42 AM  

uber humper: What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.


Holy Frijoles. Do you have a credible link for that?
 
2012-08-29 11:21:29 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama


HAHA

It's funny because you're implying that Obama is a ZERO!!1!

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Did you come up with that yourself?
 
2012-08-29 11:21:52 AM  

AmazinTim: Zero Dark Thirty,' directed by Oscar-winner Kathryn Bigelow will open December 19

After watching her fundamental lack of understanding just about anything related to military operations on display in The Hurt Locker, I think I'll pass. I can already see the SEAL team jumping out of a News Channel 4 helicopter armed with AKs chasing Bin Laden through a crowded market.


They're making another movie about Mogadishu?
 
2012-08-29 11:22:13 AM  

spamdog: Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.

Oh dear, we'd better not offend fundamentalist maniacs.

Anyway back on topic: I never actually heard about the White House retracting the account of the "armed bin Laden with a human shield" story. What's that quote again? "A lie can go halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on."

Also, you were an idiot if you believed the original account. Remember Saddam and his "spider hole"?


Just as you are an idiot if you believe this account. Not you, personally, just saying.
 
2012-08-29 11:22:17 AM  

BigNumber12: Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.


Naw, man. More like ninjas. Super ninjas with ghost powers and time travel that can lift a Volkswagen using their mind from outer space and...uh...oh
i141.photobucket.com

/j/k
 
2012-08-29 11:22:42 AM  

uber humper: calm like a bomb: Clever? No. Tuber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.

Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.

Sorry, pal.

/you the real bomb


I'm not entirely clear- is this a genuine apology or am I too dumb to see I'm being insulted?
 
2012-08-29 11:24:13 AM  
Armed unarmed, Who gives a shiat. that asshole needed to die.
 
2012-08-29 11:24:17 AM  

calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.


You are welcome to try to shut it for him.
 
2012-08-29 11:27:36 AM  
First rule of Seal Team Six is you don't talk about Seal Team Six.
Now a member of the actual team has a book coming out on 9/11/12.
Something is not kosher here.
Also, a bunch of Seals were trying to "Swiftboat" Obama recently for taking too much credit for the raid, but they can write books about it and milk it for all it's worth?
 
2012-08-29 11:28:12 AM  

uber humper: Headso: right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics.



Ha. You have to admit that is a two way street. Hell, what do left wingers not make into a political statement? From fashion, to food, to modes of transportation, it seems that how one votes effects every facet of a person's personality.

You would think that these over-political people have not had any experiences in life -- to develop their develop their character organically. What they like an don't like is determined my the canned personality they buy into when they choose a political party to follow.


Maybe it's because I live in the north east and they are overcompensating but in my experience I don't run into people that get all preachy using left wing talking points, it's always with.out.a.doubt some right wing douche.
 
2012-08-29 11:32:54 AM  

soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk


He doesn't have nearly enough pouches.
img13.imageshack.us
This is what a superhero looks like
 
2012-08-29 11:33:19 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


It's not a SEAL's job to have self-awareness.

It's his job to go in, shoot anybody not wearing the same uniform he is, and accomplish the objective he was given.
 
2012-08-29 11:33:39 AM  
Way to put country first, douche.
 
2012-08-29 11:34:52 AM  

AmazinTim: Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?

To quote Marcus Luttrell, the SEAL who wrote Lone Survivor, "If you're in the government, you do everything you can; you talk, you negotiate, you debate, you do everything you can to keep me from going over there. But once I'm over there, turn your back and cover your eyes because I'm going to farking wreck shop."


I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is. I hope he also understands that if the enemy had the same advantages he would have come away from that fight with a lot less buddies and a lot humbler, if at all. Doesn't sound like he does. This is why we fail. The advantage will not always be ours.
 
2012-08-29 11:35:54 AM  

uber humper: What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.


(March 6th, 2010) Music power couple Beyonce & Jay-Z got inside White House tour
(May 2, 2011) Bin Laden dead: Front pages of newspapers declare victory

You're a moran. or a troll
 
2012-08-29 11:36:17 AM  
Ironic thought: if he's telling the honest truth on stuff related to the mission that undercuts Obama (and it doesn't sound like anything mentioned yet really does other than just saying he and his buddies didn't really care for the President and thought he was going to ride this thing to reelection which isn't really mission related) he could be found guilty of leaking state secrets. If he's making up anything inflamatory in the book about the details of the raid there really isn't anything the government can do in response.

Again: still haven't seen where anything in the book is a bombshell other than if the initial shot hit bin Laden or not and him giving his personal opinion of the President which we might dispute but has no real significance as it pertains to the raid.

But really: if the book HAD said something explosive like "Obama attempted to call it off at the last minute because he said he didn't want a fellow Muslim but we went through with it anyway", what could the government do? As I understand it the dude is already discharged and Obama is a public figure which gives this guy virtual immunity on libel and slander.
 
2012-08-29 11:36:26 AM  
First off, I also concur with calling BS on this, and secondly, he's just looking for his bucket
 
2012-08-29 11:40:44 AM  
What's that word I'm looking for? Oh yea, "DUHHHHHHH"
 
2012-08-29 11:42:01 AM  
The difference between Obama and Dubya is that Dubya would have hosted the press conference in a SEAL uniform and would have constantly dropped (false) hints that he'd shot the guy himself.

As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.

I am disturbed at how many military people seem to be striking out at their CinC this election season. I wonder what's coloring their judgment this time around.
 
2012-08-29 11:42:13 AM  

angry_scientist: First off, I also concur with calling BS on this, and secondly, he's just looking for his bucket


Dude, he's a Seal, not a walrus
 
2012-08-29 11:42:29 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)


Who knows the extent to why public comments were said like this. Possibly it was to keep it quiet that in fact Osama was in the process of being hunted down. If you blab that you are in fact hunting for someone and they hear about it, they'll be more cautious and then it'll be harder to catch them.
 
2012-08-29 11:43:31 AM  

spacelord321: I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.


Have you ever met one of these guys? They aren't badass because of the service they joined - plenty of us joined the same service, and aren't nearly as hard core as they are. They are bad ass because they have an unbelievable willpower, ability to take the harshest of punishments and environments and still keep moving forward, and incredibly disciplined minds. If SF didn't exist, they'd likely be badass at something else.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is.

I've been behind those computers. I am proud of my service. We weren't nearly as badass as the operators on the ground.
 
2012-08-29 11:44:00 AM  
What's amusing to me is how, according to some people, if a leader (the president, for example) authorizes a military action and it fails, he gets almost all the blame (like the failed hostage rescue mission Jimmy Carter got the blame for in 1980), but if it succeeds, he's not supposed to get any credit for it.

Unless, of course, he dresses up in a flight suit and struts onto an aircraft carrier in front of a gigantic banner that says "Mission Accomplished." Then he's cool.

If the Bin Laden mission had failed, we'd still be hearing about how Obama farked it up and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Congress probably would have initiated treason charges against him or some ridiculous shiat like that.

I bet they hate him more for the success than they ever would have if it had failed. A failed mission they would have been able to use in their PR for decades. But a success? Worthless to them, politically.

Not that any of them has the balls to admit it.
 
2012-08-29 11:44:23 AM  

Uisce Beatha: SEAL ≠ soldier
SEAL = sailor

FFS


SEAL= just another human
 
2012-08-29 11:44:47 AM  

MythDragon: soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk

He doesn't have nearly enough pouches.
[img13.imageshack.us image 600x607]
This is what a superhero looks like


the feet are too big. too much definition in the toes.
 
2012-08-29 11:45:10 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: fireclown:

I'm not arguing that he didn't feel that way, I'm simply pointing out that particular quotation is fake. There are plenty of other actual, verifiable quotations from Bush that make the same point, but that one is completely fabricated


Agreed. As a regular submitter who gets stuff rejected all the time, it really frosts me to see fiction get a green light. That's setting a bad example.
 
2012-08-29 11:46:11 AM  

Maul555: I am just sad that they did not have enough time to shove his mouth full of raw bacon and lard, gag him with an american flag, and then shoot him in the head as he choked to death...


Don't forget the forced sodomy. A SEAL-raped enemy is a truly vanquished enemy.
 
2012-08-29 11:46:45 AM  

Uisce Beatha: SEAL ≠ soldier
SEAL = sailor

FFS


yeah, that pisses me off too. I also hate it when people use "soldier" when talking about a member of the Marine Core
 
2012-08-29 11:46:55 AM  

Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world


If anything I'd imagine this is a plan of some propaganda department. He's probably just following their orders.
 
2012-08-29 11:48:53 AM  
I'm also amused that anybody thinks that anybody in America who doesn't hate Obama gives a shiat what Bin Laden was doing when he was killed.

As far as most people are concerned, Bin Laden was killed 10 years too late. And that's it.

If anybody has a reason to be mad about the mission, it's the Pakistani government, because it made them look like the corrupt, incompetent, unreliable "allies" that they really are.
 
2012-08-29 11:49:06 AM  
The Republicans are really grasping at straws when they try to portray Obama as having taken credit for killing OBL, denying credit to the Seals who were actually there. What was he supposed to do, exactly? Book a timeslot on television to give a speech along the lines of "Osama bin Laden has been killed by brave Navy Seals. Although I authorized it, I am a terrible president and a coward, and all credit should go to the Seals and the previous president, George W. Bush. I humbly resign in disgrace. Also John Kerry faked injuries to win his Purple Hearts, because he knew he would run for president some day. In fact, there have never been any war heroes who were Democrats, ever."

Because if that's what they're waiting for, you might almost think they were irrational people.
 
2012-08-29 11:51:25 AM  

clyph: Obama ran as a progressive; as president he's been a moderate conservative. That hasn't escaped people's notice. They'll still vote for him the second time around because a moderate conservative is better than a reactionary one most people have the political acumen of lemmings and are easily manipulated by simplistic rhetoric and empty promises.


FTFY.

/Applies equally to (R) and (D) voters
 
2012-08-29 11:52:15 AM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.

Have you ever met one of these guys? They aren't badass because of the service they joined - plenty of us joined the same service, and aren't nearly as hard core as they are. They are bad ass because they have an unbelievable willpower, ability to take the harshest of punishments and environments and still keep moving forward, and incredibly disciplined minds. If SF didn't exist, they'd likely be badass at something else.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is.

I've been behind those computers. I am proud of my service. We weren't nearly as badass as the operators on the ground.


I've known several (retired). Without the full military might behind them, they are just like you and me.
 
2012-08-29 11:54:48 AM  

soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk


Sorry he doesn't match up with your "White House jet-pilot war hero" image of W. now He was a hero.
 
2012-08-29 11:55:31 AM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.

Have you ever met one of these guys? They aren't badass because of the service they joined - plenty of us joined the same service, and aren't nearly as hard core as they are. They are bad ass because they have an unbelievable willpower, ability to take the harshest of punishments and environments and still keep moving forward, and incredibly disciplined minds. If SF didn't exist, they'd likely be badass at something else.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is.

I've been behind those computers. I am proud of my service. We weren't nearly as badass as the operators on the ground.


Also, could they do what you did? Without you they would be dead in those situations.
 
2012-08-29 11:55:46 AM  

Shadune: Dear SEAL Team 6 members:
Please kindly go back to doing your awesome job and STFU.


+1. I choked.
 
2012-08-29 11:56:52 AM  

spacelord321: I've known several (retired). Without the full military might behind them, they are just like you and me.


We're going to have to agree to disagree. Everyone has more or less of various traits, and the SEALs I've met and/or worked with all seem to be on the high end of the bell curve when it comes to physical prowess, metal toughness, and willpower. Are they human? Absolutely. Are they better at the requirements of their job than 99% of the rest of humanity would be if they attempted it? Absolutely.
 
2012-08-29 12:00:51 PM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: I've known several (retired). Without the full military might behind them, they are just like you and me.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Everyone has more or less of various traits, and the SEALs I've met and/or worked with all seem to be on the high end of the bell curve when it comes to physical prowess, metal toughness, and willpower. Are they human? Absolutely. Are they better at the requirements of their job than 99% of the rest of humanity would be if they attempted it? Absolutely.


You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.
 
2012-08-29 12:02:02 PM  

spacelord321: Also, could they do what you did? Without you they would be dead in those situations.


Could they? Depends which job we're talking about. My seagoing job was on a sub - every SEAL I've met has stated unequivocally that they would go crazy stuck in a metal tube underwater for that length of time. My shore tours have, in one fashion or another, been behind a computer in a support role, sometimes for them. Could they do that job? Yeah, we even had a retired SEAL working with us. He'd have much preferred being back in the field, though.

And I don't know that I have the hubris to say that they'd have been dead without me. In the earlier days of SpecWar, they didn't have nearly the support structure they do now, and they still got the job done. Now they just do it more efficiently, more quickly, and with cooler toys.
 
2012-08-29 12:02:53 PM  

clevershark: As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.


Yeah, but you say that like it's wrong or something
 
2012-08-29 12:05:02 PM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: Also, could they do what you did? Without you they would be dead in those situations.

Could they? Depends which job we're talking about. My seagoing job was on a sub - every SEAL I've met has stated unequivocally that they would go crazy stuck in a metal tube underwater for that length of time. My shore tours have, in one fashion or another, been behind a computer in a support role, sometimes for them. Could they do that job? Yeah, we even had a retired SEAL working with us. He'd have much preferred being back in the field, though.

And I don't know that I have the hubris to say that they'd have been dead without me. In the earlier days of SpecWar, they didn't have nearly the support structure they do now, and they still got the job done. Now they just do it more efficiently, more quickly, and with cooler toys.


They didn't always get the job done. I would bet that many of times they died. Whole team.
 
2012-08-29 12:06:05 PM  

spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.


I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.
 
2012-08-29 12:07:14 PM  
I have an acquaintance who's a SEAL and this is nothing new. He was telling me last year (well before this story out) that all of the higher-ups in Al-Qaida in the Taliban that he's had to "deal with" have shiated and pissed themselves silly and rolled up into a ball when cornered.
 
2012-08-29 12:07:48 PM  

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


thepoliticalcarnival.net
 
2012-08-29 12:10:04 PM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: Also, could they do what you did? Without you they would be dead in those situations.

Could they? Depends which job we're talking about. My seagoing job was on a sub - every SEAL I've met has stated unequivocally that they would go crazy stuck in a metal tube underwater for that length of time. My shore tours have, in one fashion or another, been behind a computer in a support role, sometimes for them. Could they do that job? Yeah, we even had a retired SEAL working with us. He'd have much preferred being back in the field, though.

And I don't know that I have the hubris to say that they'd have been dead without me. In the earlier days of SpecWar, they didn't have nearly the support structure they do now, and they still got the job done. Now they just do it more efficiently, more quickly, and with cooler toys.


Didn't you know cloud computing killed bin laden? eleventy!
 
2012-08-29 12:10:25 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: What's amusing to me is how, according to some people, if a leader (the president, for example) authorizes a military action and it fails, he gets almost all the blame (like the failed hostage rescue mission Jimmy Carter got the blame for in 1980), but if it succeeds, he's not supposed to get any credit for it.

Unless, of course, he dresses up in a flight suit and struts onto an aircraft carrier in front of a gigantic banner that says "Mission Accomplished." Then he's cool.

If the Bin Laden mission had failed, we'd still be hearing about how Obama farked it up and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Congress probably would have initiated treason charges against him or some ridiculous shiat like that.

I bet they hate him more for the success than they ever would have if it had failed. A failed mission they would have been able to use in their PR for decades. But a success? Worthless to them, politically.

Not that any of them has the balls to admit it.


The problem is that national security is the one thing Republicans used to be able to trust they could win support on and it's just not happening anymore. As of CNN's polling on Sunday Obama has a 7 point lead over Romney on both who they trust more on matters of national security (51-44) and who they trust more to fight terrorism (50-43). The only issues with a bigger gap were gay/lesbian rights (59-33 Obama), illegal immigration (52-42 Romney), abortion (53-40 Obama), and the budget deficit (52-42 Romney). All the other big stuff was in the margin of error (welfare, energy, health care, Medicare, and taxes lean Obama; the economy in general leans Romney).

This election will not be won or lost on defense issues, but they need to nip this in the bud. If people start thinking a Democratic president may not be inherently terrible at foreign policy future election cycles may be at stake.
 
2012-08-29 12:11:48 PM  

calm like a bomb: Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.


My question is this.

Is BillCo just a deeply demented right wing dittohead with enough free time to Weeners in any thread where he has even a chance of sniping at Obama? Or is he just the worst and least funny troll on teh intrawebs??
 
2012-08-29 12:14:38 PM  

trappedspirit: clevershark: As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.
Yeah, but you say that like it's wrong or something


I'd never heard a story that OBL "fought back" or anything of that stripe. I always thought it was pretty much a slam dunk operation: They came in, found him upstairs, and blew him away before he had time to react.

And who farking cares if Biden told lame jokes? Are you not entertained, Seal Team Six? Who cares?
 
2012-08-29 12:15:19 PM  

Shadune: Dear SEAL Team 6 members:
Please kindly go back to doing your awesome job and STFU.


Exactly... It wasn't Bush's policies that led them there to kill him.
 
2012-08-29 12:16:21 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Uisce Beatha: SEAL ≠ soldier
SEAL = sailor

FFS

yeah, that pisses me off too. I also hate it when people use "soldier" when talking about a member of the Marine Core


I was soldering on my marine core mercruiser battery the other day at the harbour. Some sailer came up from under the boat, said his scube tank was out and asked for some air, man.
 
2012-08-29 12:16:51 PM  

soy_bomb: calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.

You are welcome to try to shut it for him.


Speak when spoken to, douchenozzle.
 
2012-08-29 12:18:52 PM  
Magnus: "I don't know anyone on the right that isn't happy that OBL is dead"

Yes, they're fine with him being dead. They just never want to talk about it, or give Obama credit for following through with what the previous administration gave up on, or talk about how this whole situation was basically proof that at least some portion of Pakistan's military or intelligence agency was sitting on the guy and thus McCain's policies would have also failed to bring him down, even if he found the motivation to pursue OBL again.

They just want to talk about the propriety of "politicizing" such a thing. As if there's a politician alive who didn't or wouldn't politicize any popular military action, regardless of propriety. It's the old partisan two-step: where you give a pass to your team and hold the other guys to a higher standard.

There aren't many things that "both sides do" in objective reality. But this is definitely one of them.
 
2012-08-29 12:20:35 PM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.


Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.
 
2012-08-29 12:21:35 PM  

granulorhoek: Way to put country first, douche.


Exactly. This jack-hole is going against the Navy SEAL tradition of keeping you farkin mouth shut.

Furthermore, he is OBVIOUSLY a partisan who is trying to help the Republicans.

* Bissonnette writes disparagingly that none of the SEALs were fans of President Barack Obama and knew that his administration would take credit for ordering the May 2011 raid

(way to respect the commander in chief there skippy. )

* He says Biden told 'lame jokes' no one understood, reminding him of 'someone's drunken uncle at Christmas dinner.'

(sounds relevant to the Bin Laden raid and politically impartial to me, asshat)

* the book did not undergo the formal review required by the Pentagon for works published by former or current Defense Department employees

(so screw the country and screw the rules, you want to cash in and take a few cheap shots at the BLAH person in the whitehouse, right?)

Yeah, this guy sounds like a real American Hero to me. I bet the other SEALS on the team would like to kick his ass right about now.
 
2012-08-29 12:23:34 PM  

greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.


Yeah. Hooray for death squads.
 
2012-08-29 12:26:31 PM  

mekki: A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.


Didn't GW start this whole thing? How is it Obama gets credit? Kinda like the hostages in Iran, Reagan takes credit for all of Carters ground work.

I thought going to Aardvarkistan was bad when GW was prez, but is ok now with Barry O?

Is orange purple now too?
 
2012-08-29 12:27:25 PM  
Shut the hell up. It was very brave of Obama to go into a terrorist compound and kill the leader. He's a goddamn war hero!
 
2012-08-29 12:28:26 PM  

greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.


Good and evil don't really exist. Those are man made notions to justify emotional and or idiolized wants and needs.
 
2012-08-29 12:28:26 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


Good points all around, to answer your question- who knows? Not part of a SEAL's job, questioning why.

And bullies are always pussies.
They try to build up a hierarchy of syncophants to do their dirty work.
Some bullies just have more money/more power than others.
 
2012-08-29 12:29:38 PM  

spacelord321: They didn't always get the job done. I would bet that many of times they died. Whole team.


[Citation needed] - oh, wait, I can do that for you:

Vietnam- SEAL involvement from 1963 to 1973 (cite). Total casualties, 46 (cite)

Afghanistan- 2001 to 2012. Total casualties, 50 (cite - set service to U.S. Navy - oddly, there are two entries for the Navy, so some addition is required)

Pretty equivalent. Granted, it isn't an apples to apples comparison, warfare has evolved, and so has their mission and how we employ them. But to say they died more frequently in the past isn't really true

/Sorry that took so long
//Connection speed here sucks
 
2012-08-29 12:31:32 PM  

calm like a bomb: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.


Like a boss.
 
2012-08-29 12:33:00 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del:
yeah, that pisses me off too. I also hate it when people use "soldier" when talking about a member of the Marine Core


A marine is a soldier who serves in the navy. There is nothing to say that everyone in a navy is a sailor. Ours has a lot of pilots as well.
 
2012-08-29 12:35:44 PM  

Lumpmoose: So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'

And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?


What you just quoted comes directly from the book in question, not the original report.
 
2012-08-29 12:35:52 PM  

trappedspirit: clevershark: As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.

Yeah, but you say that like it's wrong or something


What happens when the assassins accuse the assassins?
 
2012-08-29 12:35:59 PM  

torusXL: Boudica's War Tampon: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Who knows the extent to why public comments were said like this. Possibly it was to keep it quiet that in fact Osama was in the process of being hunted down. If you blab that you are in fact hunting for someone and they hear about it, they'll be more cautious and then it'll be harder to catch them.


Actually, that was my opinion all along. I was willing to give the Bushies the benefit of the doubt about being smart enough to say you weren't hunting for him anymore. I'm not sure when OBL moved into his compound in Pakistan but I like to think he got sloppy because he felt he wasn't being hunted by the Bush team. Then when Obama came in, he was kind of stuck.
 
2012-08-29 12:36:24 PM  

farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


No you are not. I presume the worship of them as superhuman beings comes from people whose Tom Clancy collections are unreadable because dried semen has stuck the pages together.
 
2012-08-29 12:39:01 PM  

spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


FTA: The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was

Or, the FARK corollary:
i243.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-29 12:41:04 PM  
Propaganda works, when you repeat it enough.
 
2012-08-29 12:41:38 PM  

spacelord321: Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight.


I'm a redneck hunter, and a decent shot, and my job before this one was testing weapons and things we put on weapons for SF, so I like to think I am decent with a rifle at least. Every time I have gone head to head with an SF guy, though, they have beaten me. (The last time it was with an Army SFC, and he only beat me by one shot. So close, dammit)

The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill

Eh, their relationship with authority is complicated - if their respect is earned, they will follow authority to hell and back. If it isn't, they could give a shiat about someone who thinks they are in charge. I'll agree with their ability to accept their requirement to take life. It just doesn't seem to bother them. I will still say that there is more to it than just those traits, though.
 
2012-08-29 12:42:21 PM  

special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden?


Um... yes.
 
2012-08-29 12:44:01 PM  
 
2012-08-29 12:44:17 PM  

spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.
 
2012-08-29 12:45:46 PM  

Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: They didn't always get the job done. I would bet that many of times they died. Whole team.

[Citation needed] - oh, wait, I can do that for you:

Vietnam- SEAL involvement from 1963 to 1973 (cite). Total casualties, 46 (cite)

Afghanistan- 2001 to 2012. Total casualties, 50 (cite - set service to U.S. Navy - oddly, there are two entries for the Navy, so some addition is required)

Pretty equivalent. Granted, it isn't an apples to apples comparison, warfare has evolved, and so has their mission and how we employ them. But to say they died more frequently in the past isn't really true

/Sorry that took so long
//Connection speed here sucks


Ok. Good points all around. But now we are talkinG casualties inflicted and using that as a basis of individual toughness. I will counter that with the casualty infliction rate of afghani army/police turncoats against NATO troops.

I am discussing the individual toughness of said "sailors", not their toughness as a group, which is dependent on the teams behind/over/under the lines.
 
2012-08-29 12:47:22 PM  
I was way happier with our spec operators when they weren't so goddamned mouthy. These bastards should be made to sign lifetime NDA's.
 
2012-08-29 12:51:08 PM  

900RR: spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.


well, yeah, because no SEAL ever accomplished a mission without a room full of intel geeks and a gigantic mainframe computer system...
 
2012-08-29 12:54:43 PM  

spacelord321: I will counter that with the casualty infliction rate of afghani army/police turncoats against NATO troops.

I am discussing the individual toughness of said "sailors", not their toughness as a group, which is dependent on the teams behind/over/under the lines.


You are going to have to expand on that, because I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't know how you would compare their "toughness" to others without a metric of some sort. Oh, and most blue-on-green (afghan army or police vs NATO troops) have not been directed at SEALs. A few against army SF, most against regular troops or NATO allies (which is a different issue, and for reasons not pertinent to this thread)

And, I think we've already gone over their toughness, or at least effectiveness with and without us REMFs - they get the job done with or without us, their effectiveness is helped by their support, but not dependent on it.
 
2012-08-29 12:55:27 PM  

spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


assets.diylol.com

/I bet you wear one.
 
2012-08-29 12:57:55 PM  

Wittenberg Dropout: I was way happier with our spec operators when they weren't so goddamned mouthy. These bastards should be made to sign lifetime NDA's.


Anyone with a TS clearance signs an NDA when getting out. Whether it is enforced is another matter.

/It might just be guys with SCI
//One or the other - either way, it would apply to SOCOM guys
///Those things can be pages and pages long, I don't remember hardly anything that was in mine
 
2012-08-29 12:58:21 PM  
I believe OBL is dead. I won't believe another leaked detail of that mission until they come clean about the helicopter that was shot down and the soldiers that died on that mission, and why the US reported their deaths in a "different" helicopter crash weeks later.
 
2012-08-29 01:01:22 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I believe OBL is dead. I won't believe another leaked detail of that mission until they come clean about the helicopter that was shot down and the soldiers that died on that mission, and why the US reported their deaths in a "different" helicopter crash weeks later.

 

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-08-29 01:12:55 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: I believe OBL is dead. I won't believe another leaked detail of that mission until they come clean about the helicopter that was shot down and the soldiers that died on that mission, and why the US reported their deaths in a "different" helicopter crash weeks later. 

[citation needed.jpg]


Links to the event:

Fox

Huffington Post

I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but c'mon. A helicopter crash at Bin Laden's compound? No deaths? Then the same guys die a couple of weeks later?
 
2012-08-29 01:14:15 PM  

Uisce Beatha: ///Those things can be pages and pages long, I don't remember hardly anything that was in mine


what was in it was "keep yo mouth shut". I'm pretty sure that the rest was pretty much boilerplate.
 
2012-08-29 01:15:38 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.


Wow, half the world's population loved bin Laden? I thought he was hated, but I guess he was a real Elvis.
 
2012-08-29 01:18:09 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Then the same guys die a couple of weeks later?


Same team, different guys, FWIW.
 
2012-08-29 01:22:37 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but c'mon. A helicopter crash at Bin Laden's compound? No deaths? Then the same guys die a couple of weeks later?


1. The crash was caused when a rotor clipped a wall when the copter was probably 10ft off the ground, so the crash was survivable.
2. Seal Team Six has an estimated 200 members, and they get shot at a lot
3. None of the operators involved in the Bin Laden raid were involved in the second crash.

I'll grab the Reynolds Wrap. What's your hat size?
 
2012-08-29 01:32:04 PM  

flynn80: Propaganda works, when you repeat it enough.

 
2012-08-29 01:32:24 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but c'mon. A helicopter crash at Bin Laden's compound? No deaths? Then the same guys die a couple of weeks later?

1. The crash was caused when a rotor clipped a wall when the copter was probably 10ft off the ground, so the crash was survivable.
2. Seal Team Six has an estimated 200 members, and they get shot at a lot
3. None of the operators involved in the Bin Laden raid were involved in the second crash.

I'll grab the Reynolds Wrap. What's your hat size?


If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.
And don't mistake my distrust of government information and propaganda. Regardless of how or where those soldiers died, I in no way am slighting their sacrifice.
 
2012-08-29 01:35:15 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.


Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.
 
2012-08-29 01:35:53 PM  

orbister: farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?

No you are not. I presume the worship of them as superhuman beings comes from people whose Tom Clancy collections are unreadable because dried semen has stuck the pages together.


is that what that smell is in here?
 
2012-08-29 01:37:10 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.

War is legal massmurder. Accept that. When Admiral Yamamoto, who was stripped of command authority and a political figurehead at the time, was defeated with a headshot from an American fighter it was a political assassination. The only military value in that act was the damage it would do to Japanese moral, and under the executive orders that are in effect now would be illegal.





Your account of Yamamoto's death is wrong. Not certain if you are intentionally wrong, or maybe just confused Yamamoto with someone else. Here is a link that shows Yamamoto's transport plane ws shot down by Americans. Yes it is Wiki, but there are dozens and dozens of books that cover the ambush. Yamamoto was killed in the crash.
 
2012-08-29 01:45:29 PM  

900RR:

Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.


So being ready to send troops into harms way even in the face of manufactured evidence, keeping them from rotating out and destroying the civilian careers or reservists and national gaurd members to make up for slow recruitement numbers is the proper conservative way to show respect to military service members?

Oh right, you need to put a magentic ribbon your car.
 
2012-08-29 01:45:59 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.


Sticking a whole woman up your ass is extremely unhygenic, calmbomb.

Tell her to use a strapon.
 
2012-08-29 01:50:02 PM  

starsrift: calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.

Sticking a whole woman up your ass is extremely unhygenic, calmbomb.

Tell her to use a strapon.


She's very small.
 
2012-08-29 01:50:51 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.


I was chain jerking, too. Harsh isn't always funny, but on meth and in the Northeast US it is. I really don't even want to know how anyone would be a valid replacement for a star spangled buttplug. Maybe fist people while singing patriotic songs? And twist it when you get to "rockets red GLARE!"
 
2012-08-29 01:51:51 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.


GIS for Elder Pussy:
www.warehouse23.com
 
2012-08-29 01:53:07 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.


His mother sticks things in your ass?
 
2012-08-29 01:57:15 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: And twist it when you get to "rockets red GLARE!"


I'll admit it, I laffed.
 
2012-08-29 01:58:16 PM  
Am I the only one that doesn't find the author credible? The Seal Team members are disciplined to enough to do the job they have to do in one of the most elite organizations in the world, but not disciplined to keep their yaps shut about it like you know they were told to do?
 
2012-08-29 02:00:16 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


Then why did we capture Saddam alive?
 
2012-08-29 02:02:21 PM  

manimal2878: Am I the only one that doesn't find the author credible? The Seal Team members are disciplined to enough to do the job they have to do in one of the most elite organizations in the world, but not disciplined to keep their yaps shut about it like you know they were told to do?


Have you searched "SEAL" on Amazon lately? There's dozens of books by former/retired SEALs who talk about their careers.
 
2012-08-29 02:16:05 PM  

spacelord321:
That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


And I am sure that the martial artists, badass criminals, and redneck hunters have the exact merit, training, courage, and mental toughness as the SEALs do. My money, every time, will be on a SEAL. Book it.

"You're either trained or untrained. Which one are you?"
www.cineastentreff.de
 
2012-08-29 02:17:24 PM  
Funny thing, but aside form the rights to all things "Seal team 6" getting sold off to Disney shortly afterwards, wasn't this entire Seal team killed in a helicopter downing soon afterwards in Afghanistan?
 
2012-08-29 02:22:30 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


You racist fark. The double standard isn't race, it's ELECTIONS. Try and remember that next time.
 
2012-08-29 02:22:43 PM  

omnipotent_speck: Funny thing, but aside form the rights to all things "Seal team 6" getting sold off to Disney shortly afterwards, wasn't this entire Seal team killed in a helicopter downing soon afterwards in Afghanistan?


No - see above. A helicopter crash did kill a bunch of guys from six, but they weren't the same ones that were on the OBL raid.
 
2012-08-29 02:24:08 PM  
Didn't Bin Laden die over a decade ago?
 
2012-08-29 02:35:36 PM  
Could you Farkwads stop calling it SEAL team 6? It's been DevGru for a few years now...

I seriously question anyone calling themselves a member of SEAL Team 6 unless they either A) Retired from the Navy when ST6 was still its official name, or B someone who watches too many movies and reads too many internet boards...
 
2012-08-29 02:47:14 PM  

King Something: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.


The fact is...the following two quotes are what got OBL 'whacked' not "a black democrat" Just sayin'

kim jong-un:
The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.

Fuggin Bizzy: kim jong-un: The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.

I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.

 
2012-08-29 02:55:00 PM  

Arn_Dee: Didn't Bin Laden die over a decade ago?


You mean after meeting with CIA officers in a Dubai hospital in Summer 2001 where he was undergoing dialysis treatment for Marfans disease, which is degenerative and always ends in complete renal system failure? Which by itself would be amazing but then there doesn't appear to have been any medical equipment at all in the house that was raided. Also there have been various reports of different Bin Ladens in some of those videos released over the years.

Th situation brings to mind something Bill Hicks used to say about his visit to Dealey Plaza:

"It's called "The Sniper's Nest"...boxes are set up...It's glassed in, you can't actually get to the window...and the reason they did that is because... they didn't want thousands of tourists each year coming through to the window goin'...'NO farking WAY.' Yeah, that would've started this TRUTH INERTIA happening... You can get to the window next to it and say "I can't even see the ROAD from here...there's a TREE right here... but it's very accurate 'cuz Oswalt's not in it! Painstaking in their accuracy."
 
2012-08-29 02:56:08 PM  
Nice to see all the Republican bin Laden supporters in this thread.

Lot of crocodile tears about his civil rights from the Party of Torture.
 
2012-08-29 03:04:04 PM  

gretzkyscores: clyph: Obama ran as a progressive; as president he's been a moderate conservative. That hasn't escaped people's notice. They'll still vote for him the second time around because a moderate conservative is better than a reactionary one most people have the political acumen of lemmings and are easily manipulated by simplistic rhetoric and empty promises.

FTFY.

/Applies equally to (R) and (D) voters


Welcome to insta-fave...
 
2012-08-29 03:12:10 PM  

spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.


Your redneck hunters rarely have elk shooting back at them.
 
2012-08-29 03:23:45 PM  

clevershark: I am disturbed at how many military people seem to be striking out at their CinC this election season. I wonder what's coloring their judgment this time around.


SpectroBoy: (so screw the country and screw the rules, you want to cash in and take a few cheap shots at the BLAH person in the whitehouse, right?)


King Something: It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.


Yes, all criticism of our current President is only due to racism. You guys are so oppressed. Wait, that's the wrong word. Pathetic, that's what I was looking for. You guys are pathetic.
 
2012-08-29 03:25:29 PM  
First Question -

Why believe anything that comes out of Washington? Washington exists on a mile thick layer of lies and deceit so it doesn't sink into the bog it was built on.

First Rule

Never believe anything until it's officially denied.
 
2012-08-29 04:26:33 PM  

abhorrent1: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

[assets.diylol.com image 510x507]

/I bet you wear one.


Not at all. I feel the same wy towards people that do.
 
2012-08-29 04:28:47 PM  

900RR: spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.


Nope. I don't despise them. I just don't worship them.
 
2012-08-29 04:30:43 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: 900RR: spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

Yep, SEALS are only as good as the helicopter gunships or artillery supporting them, LOL. It's funny how a Fark libtard will never, ever, EVER show any respect for ANYONE in the military. If it's one thing that cowards despise, it's anyone with balls.

well, yeah, because no SEAL ever accomplished a mission without a room full of intel geeks and a gigantic mainframe computer system...


Or the military industrial complex that supplied them.?.
 
2012-08-29 04:37:20 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.

His mother sticks things in your ass?


Yes, but only when yours is busy.
 
2012-08-29 04:40:18 PM  
This guy was a classmate of mine in college, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread,

That's all I got. I don't remember him.
 
2012-08-29 04:40:36 PM  

sid244: spacelord321:
That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

And I am sure that the martial artists, badass criminals, and redneck hunters have the exact merit, training, courage, and mental toughness as the SEALs do. My money, every time, will be on a SEAL. Book it.

"You're either trained or untrained. Which one are you?"
[www.cineastentreff.de image 680x449]


Ok. Some people have that devotion to training without the military, however. Obviously I am not one of them or I would not be wasting time on fark.
 
2012-08-29 04:43:55 PM  

Beeblebrox: spacelord321: Uisce Beatha: spacelord321: You need to get out more, and meet more of humanity. But, as you said, we will agree to disagree.

I've met plenty, thanks. I've also spent the last 6 years or so doing support work for various SF groups, so I've met a lot of them. I am a pretty proud person, but they are definitely a breed apart.

Ok. No offense intended. Got a little carried away with the common vernacular.

That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference seems to be the disdain for authoritarianism or the lack of obligation to kill, and the absence of the most heavily funded backup support known to man.

Your redneck hunters rarely have elk shooting back at them.


Good point. Quite a few were vietnam vets, so they may have an idea what it's like though.
 
2012-08-29 04:50:46 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: uber humper: What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.

(March 6th, 2010) Music power couple Beyonce & Jay-Z got inside White House tour
(May 2, 2011) Bin Laden dead: Front pages of newspapers declare victory


Damn, so Beyonce and Jay-Zed got a tour of the White House AND a ride in the time machine?!

/Luxury!
 
2012-08-29 04:54:10 PM  

umad: Yes, all criticism of our current President is only due to racism. You guys are so oppressed. Wait, that's the wrong word. Pathetic, that's what I was looking for. You guys are pathetic.


So what's the criticism here? That Obama didn't pull the trigger himself?
 
2012-08-29 05:13:20 PM  

chuggernaught: Tickle Mittens: Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.

War is legal massmurder. Accept that. When Admiral Yamamoto, who was stripped of command authority and a political figurehead at the time, was defeated with a headshot from an American fighter it was a political assassination. The only military value in that act was the damage it would do to Japanese moral, and under the executive orders that are in effect now would be illegal.

Your account of Yamamoto's death is wrong. Not certain if you are intentionally wrong, or maybe just confused Yamamoto with someone else. Here is a link that shows Yamamoto's transport plane ws shot down by Americans. Yes it is Wiki, but there are dozens and dozens of books that cover the ambush. Yamamoto was killed in the crash.


This book says otherwise.

Large calibur bullet holes mean one thing, boom headshot. In the abscense of any better evidence I'll go with the consistant version of events which is more awesome.
 
2012-08-29 05:39:22 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: This guy was a classmate of mine in college, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread,

That's all I got. I don't remember him.


They are in stealth modes at all time. Be glad you didn't know him, because then he'd have had to kill you.
 
2012-08-29 05:41:07 PM  

Ilmarinen: umad: Yes, all criticism of our current President is only due to racism. You guys are so oppressed. Wait, that's the wrong word. Pathetic, that's what I was looking for. You guys are pathetic.

So what's the criticism here? That Obama didn't pull the trigger himself?


Hell if I know how you guys read criticism of Obama from "Bin Laden was a pussy." My knee-jerk-always-the-victim reflex is defective though.
 
2012-08-29 05:52:43 PM  

Ilmarinen: umad: Yes, all criticism of our current President is only due to racism. You guys are so oppressed. Wait, that's the wrong word. Pathetic, that's what I was looking for. You guys are pathetic.

So what's the criticism here? That Obama didn't pull the trigger himself?


Well, Bush 43 was right down in the shiat in Iraq disabling IEDs, wasn't he? That's how a CinC is supposed to lead.
 
2012-08-29 06:19:25 PM  

spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...


omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.
 
2012-08-29 06:32:20 PM  

spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.


I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.
 
2012-08-29 06:46:22 PM  

Kahabut: Bennie Crabtree: The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?

You racist fark. The double standard isn't race, it's ELECTIONS. Try and remember that next time.


Typical Americans, bombing white people to defend Muslims.
 
2012-08-29 07:16:18 PM  
Washington really does change people for the worse. Isn't this the type of thing candidate-Obama campaigned against? He's no different than Giuliani, in my opinion.
 
2012-08-29 08:03:53 PM  

clyph: mekki: A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.

Hey, swiftboating worked last time. Stick with a winning strategy. Uneducated mouthbreathers (regardless of party) will eat up any lie, no matter how preposterous or transparent, as long as it reinforces their prejudices.


Given the timing and the way it's so slanted, the word swiftboat immediately comes to mind. Also, doesn't a real SEAL care about violating his security oath by revealing classified information? I won't be surprised at all if this guy turns out to be fake.
 
2012-08-29 08:15:20 PM  
Next thing you know, they'll be filling us with lies about him autopenning letters to fallen soldiers. Too late!!!

Link
 
2012-08-29 08:21:27 PM  

torusXL: spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.

I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.


I'm not like that at all, but whatever. I'm just not a jingoist. Go back to watching war movies.
 
2012-08-29 08:32:42 PM  

spacelord321: torusXL: spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.

I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.

I'm not like that at all, but whatever. I'm just not a jingoist. Go back to watching war movies.


If you throw something like that out there, especially since you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you have to expect you are going to get made fun of.
 
2012-08-29 08:53:15 PM  

MythDragon: soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk

He doesn't have nearly enough pouches.
[img13.imageshack.us image 600x607]
This is what a superhero looks like


That can't be a Liefeld piece. It has fingers.
 
2012-08-29 09:07:18 PM  

spacelord321: torusXL: spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.

I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.

I'm not like that at all, but whatever. I'm just not a jingoist. Go back to watching war movies.


My dad could beat up your dad!!!!!1one
 
2012-08-29 09:41:06 PM  
What the fark is the fascination and circle jerk surrounding special ops? They're well trained gorillas who are armed to the teeth and taught to obey direction and carry out objectives that were determined by political and corporate boardmembers that were graduating Harvard and Yale when these spec-ops guys were still in diapers. I feel sorry for them. Stooges in the game of war. The epitome of a non-thinking job.
 
2012-08-29 11:23:30 PM  

calm like a bomb: spacelord321: torusXL: spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.

I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.

I'm not like that at all, but whatever. I'm just not a jingoist. Go back to watching war movies.

If you throw something like that out there, especially since you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you have to expect you are going to get made fun of.


I don't mind getting made fun of on fark. Plus I don't really consider the source very credible, considering they only hurl insults and don't really attempt to add anything to the discussion.
 
2012-08-29 11:26:56 PM  

torusXL: spacelord321: torusXL: spiderpaz: spacelord321: That said, I have spent time with many of martial artists who I'm certain would give any SEAL an even fight. I've also met many a straight up badass criminals that never back down, and never have to. Also, I've met many of "redneck" (my words) hunters that could match them in a firefight. The only difference ...

omfg, just stop talking. That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a long long time. Just go back to jacking off to Red Dawn, thinking it's a documentary.

I bet he thinks he could use his taekwondo black belt to take on some street thugs and save the maiden.

I'm not like that at all, but whatever. I'm just not a jingoist. Go back to watching war movies.

My dad could beat up your dad!!!!!1one


You have some selective hearing if that's how you interpreted what I said.
 
2012-08-29 11:51:48 PM  
Farnn 2012-08-29 10:21:33 AM

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office.

And this wasn't murder, I suppose.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-30 04:19:11 AM  

Kittypie070: Farnn 2012-08-29 10:21:33 AM

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office.

And this wasn't murder, I suppose.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 492x550]


Yes and I bet if we murder more people everything will be super awsome!
My wish of the authorities is that they try to make the world a kinder and safer place for its populace, and blood feuds isn't exactly the way to go.
it would've been better if they shot him with a gel-round and hauled him back to the U.S.
 
2012-08-30 03:48:30 PM  

calm like a bomb: Nana's Vibrator: If it's like that, fine. The only problem I have is with helicopter crashes. I'm not a truther, birther, moon stage studio whatever. Skip the brand name foil stuff and buy the wholesale generic foil. Spend the money you save for that US flag-painted buttplug you've had your eyes on lately.

Settle down, Francis. I was just jerking your chain a little. And I don't need a buttplug; that's what I've got your mother for.


No, his mother is much too fat to use as a butt plug. It would be very uncomfortable. I used a skinny asian girl for a butt plug once, and only got as far as her forearm. I could imagine using his entire fat-ass mom
 
2012-08-31 12:05:58 PM  

SharkTrager: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden?

Um... yes.


It's "real" to you, huh? How is giving an order to go "taking credit", you ineffectual troll?
Here's a quote from your master:
"Every American was relieved the day President Obama gave the order, and Seal Team 6 took out Osama bin Laden."

Look it up.

static.thehollywoodgossip.com
 
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