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(Daily Mail)   SEAL Team Six member claims that contrary to reports, Bin Laden put up no fight. "In all of my deployments, we routinely saw this phenomenon. The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 266
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2012-08-29 11:03:29 AM  
One thing that has come up over and over is the idea that the mission was to capture OBL if they could because. "Americans wouldn't like the idea of assassinations." However, we regularly fling missiles at terrorists from drones with the intent to kill, not capture.
 
2012-08-29 11:04:23 AM  

Farnn: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.


Al-walaki got every right provided for him in the Constitution. He A) was a member and active particpant of a foreign military force engaged in active hostilites against the US B) had formally renounced his American citizenship several times C) was actively planning an attack ont he US with Al-qaeda's chief bomb-maker in Africa when a Hellfire missle vaporized them both.

Unless you are suggesting that the US needed to arrest and try uniformed Wermacht soliders who happene to have been born in America (and there was a signifanct number of them) rather than fighting them on the battlefield during WWII, then the Al-Awlaki case is no different.
 
2012-08-29 11:05:56 AM  

starsrift: Question: How can jokes be lame as well as "nobody understood them"? If nobody got the jokes, how do they know they're lame?


Virtually all jokes (puns included) follow a kind of general mathmatical formula, where there is a discontinuity and there's a lag in resolving the discontinuity. If is surprising but not threatening, it's generally funny generally in proportion to how surprising it is. Puns tend to less surprising so they tend to less funny/kinda annoying, often this can evolve into a meta-funny game where the idea is to as a community exhaust the space of possible puns. In anycase, if one can infer at attempt at humor via this algorithm, one can also deduce where the attempt at humor fell short. Instead of funny, the attempt might be threatening, not surprising, etc.
 
2012-08-29 11:06:20 AM  

Headso: right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics.




Ha. You have to admit that is a two way street. Hell, what do left wingers not make into a political statement? From fashion, to food, to modes of transportation, it seems that how one votes effects every facet of a person's personality.

You would think that these over-political people have not had any experiences in life -- to develop their develop their character organically. What they like an don't like is determined my the canned personality they buy into when they choose a political party to follow.
 
2012-08-29 11:06:45 AM  
www.pjmedia.com
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk
 
2012-08-29 11:06:55 AM  

clyph: mekki: A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.

Hey, swiftboating the facts worked last time. Stick with a winning strategy. Uneducated mouthbreathers (regardless of party) will eat up any lie, no matter how preposterous or transparent, as long as it reinforces their prejudices

now, now. just because some people believe 0bama campaign's lies about Romney's taxes, killing a woman and committing a felony, does not mean they are uneducated mouthbreathers. Be nice.

 
2012-08-29 11:08:15 AM  

jaybeezey: One thing that has come up over and over is the idea that the mission was to capture OBL if they could because. "Americans wouldn't like the idea of assassinations." However, we regularly fling missiles at terrorists from drones with the intent to kill, not capture.


American Citizen terrorists, at that.
 
2012-08-29 11:08:50 AM  

BigNumber12: Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction


Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.


Everyone already agrees that the second his head peeked out shots were fired. The most significant detail disputed is whether the bullet fired then had hit him; according to the military the initial fire missed. Both accounts agree the SEALs arrived in the room to still be moving and at that point fired upon him, actually killing him. I can't figure out a significant difference between either account that would affect anyone's opinion of how the raid was conducted. Osama bin Laden was discovered partially hidden and attempting to evade the SEALs ducking back into the room, shots were fired that were either nigh-fatal or missed completely, and Osama bin Laden was ultimated kill when the SEALs arrived in the room.

If Osama attempted to surrender or something like that I could understand the concern, but this is "how many of the shots actually made contact".
 
2012-08-29 11:08:58 AM  

special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.


Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.
 
2012-08-29 11:09:07 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Uisce Beatha: HotIgneous Intruder: FBI would fall like sharks on that publisher and impound everything, instantly

Close - the DoD would just buy all the copies.

And toss the Very Special Operator Novelist so far into prison that he'd never be heard from again.


While I would be ok with that outcome, I don't know if they've ever prosecuted a guy for writing a book. Sure, Bradley Manning continues to rot in a cell, but even Dick Marcinko, who had already been tossed into jail once, didn't get charged for his book, which I am willing to bet didn't get vetted either.
 
2012-08-29 11:10:43 AM  

calm like a bomb: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


Ha. Take a look at soy_bomb's post a few up. And thanks for proving my point, retard.
 
2012-08-29 11:10:49 AM  

Tickle Mittens: starsrift: Question: How can jokes be lame as well as "nobody understood them"? If nobody got the jokes, how do they know they're lame?

Virtually all jokes (puns included) follow a kind of general mathmatical formula, where there is a discontinuity and there's a lag in resolving the discontinuity. If is surprising but not threatening, it's generally funny generally in proportion to how surprising it is...


That's pretty much exactly my point.
 
2012-08-29 11:12:06 AM  
So, murderers murdered murderer.

Murder
 
2012-08-29 11:13:08 AM  

calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.
 
2012-08-29 11:15:16 AM  
Isn't the headline true for all leaders?

You didn't see Bush or Obama out on the frontlines, they're holed up in their war rooms.

The rule for all "leaders" is that the higher up command you are, the further away from the battle you are because you send the little guys to do the dirty work.
 
2012-08-29 11:16:28 AM  
Clever? No. T

uber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.


Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.
 
rpl
2012-08-29 11:17:04 AM  
Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?
 
2012-08-29 11:17:34 AM  

fireclown: Ctrl-Alt-Del: While you are correct about the attitude, George Bush never said this.

It does make a certain amount of sense. By that point, Bin Laden wasn't a major force anymore. Al Queida had ceased to be a centralized group funded largely by Bin Laden to a group of franchises. Bin Laden had become a penniless (his family had cut him off a few years back) figurehead living . . . . . somewhere. Knowing who the new guys were would have been FAR more relevant and urgent. Sooner or later Bin Laden would turn up and he could be dealt with then. Which is pretty much what happened.


This. Zawahiri would've actually been more of a blow. He was running it anyway.

That said, I am very glad they got Bin Laden and am not voting Republican
 
2012-08-29 11:17:53 AM  

rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?


Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.
 
2012-08-29 11:19:03 AM  

calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.


LOL
 
2012-08-29 11:19:09 AM  

Undo Redo: Isn't the headline true for all leaders?

You didn't see Bush or Obama out on the frontlines, they're holed up in their war rooms.

The rule for all "leaders" is that the higher up command you are, the further away from the battle you are because you send the little guys to do the dirty work.


You're right they do take a little too much credit. Mission Accomplished, and all of that, was bull shiat.

What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.
 
2012-08-29 11:20:12 AM  

calm like a bomb: Clever? No. Tuber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.

Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.


Sorry, pal.

/you the real bomb
 
2012-08-29 11:20:40 AM  

calm like a bomb: special20: Did Obama take credit - explicitly take credit - for the action taken against Bin Laden? The whole story smells like right wing hater-aid. I ain't gonna drink it.

Yes, he did. He said that he was given intelligence, he ordered it developed, and based on that ordered the Seals in and they did the job. Which is exactly what happened. For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.


Also, while he hasn't said it explicitly, White House and Pentagon officials said that he was big on doing simulated runs and training on the compound rather than going in the second the intelligence came through and demanded additional hardware was available in case things went tits up.

This has lead to accusations that Obama was delaying the mission in the hopes Osama would escape first, and he just lucked out that the demand for an extra helicopter stopped an assload of SEALs from being stranded there after the raid. Yes, some people actually believe this.
 
2012-08-29 11:20:42 AM  

uber humper: What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.


Holy Frijoles. Do you have a credible link for that?
 
2012-08-29 11:21:29 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama


HAHA

It's funny because you're implying that Obama is a ZERO!!1!

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Did you come up with that yourself?
 
2012-08-29 11:21:52 AM  

AmazinTim: Zero Dark Thirty,' directed by Oscar-winner Kathryn Bigelow will open December 19

After watching her fundamental lack of understanding just about anything related to military operations on display in The Hurt Locker, I think I'll pass. I can already see the SEAL team jumping out of a News Channel 4 helicopter armed with AKs chasing Bin Laden through a crowded market.


They're making another movie about Mogadishu?
 
2012-08-29 11:22:13 AM  

spamdog: Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.

Oh dear, we'd better not offend fundamentalist maniacs.

Anyway back on topic: I never actually heard about the White House retracting the account of the "armed bin Laden with a human shield" story. What's that quote again? "A lie can go halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on."

Also, you were an idiot if you believed the original account. Remember Saddam and his "spider hole"?


Just as you are an idiot if you believe this account. Not you, personally, just saying.
 
2012-08-29 11:22:17 AM  

BigNumber12: Jeebus... those guys do not fark around. They're like Medusa, if you even catch a glimpse of them, you're probably already dead.


Naw, man. More like ninjas. Super ninjas with ghost powers and time travel that can lift a Volkswagen using their mind from outer space and...uh...oh
i141.photobucket.com

/j/k
 
2012-08-29 11:22:42 AM  

uber humper: calm like a bomb: Clever? No. Tuber humper: calm like a bomb: For some reason, the relaying of facts got turned into "ZOMG! FARTBONGO SEZ HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!" over in Freeperland.

If you think that's clever, you're the farking idiot.

Clever? No. True. Yes. Ref. soy_bomb's post four above my original.

Sorry, pal.

/you the real bomb


I'm not entirely clear- is this a genuine apology or am I too dumb to see I'm being insulted?
 
2012-08-29 11:24:13 AM  
Armed unarmed, Who gives a shiat. that asshole needed to die.
 
2012-08-29 11:24:17 AM  

calm like a bomb: rpl: Wow. SEAL member, writer, session bass player. Is there anything Matt Bissonette can't do?

Keep his farking mouth shut, evidently.


You are welcome to try to shut it for him.
 
2012-08-29 11:27:36 AM  
First rule of Seal Team Six is you don't talk about Seal Team Six.
Now a member of the actual team has a book coming out on 9/11/12.
Something is not kosher here.
Also, a bunch of Seals were trying to "Swiftboat" Obama recently for taking too much credit for the raid, but they can write books about it and milk it for all it's worth?
 
2012-08-29 11:28:12 AM  

uber humper: Headso: right wing blowhards always have to let you know what they are thinking regarding politics.



Ha. You have to admit that is a two way street. Hell, what do left wingers not make into a political statement? From fashion, to food, to modes of transportation, it seems that how one votes effects every facet of a person's personality.

You would think that these over-political people have not had any experiences in life -- to develop their develop their character organically. What they like an don't like is determined my the canned personality they buy into when they choose a political party to follow.


Maybe it's because I live in the north east and they are overcompensating but in my experience I don't run into people that get all preachy using left wing talking points, it's always with.out.a.doubt some right wing douche.
 
2012-08-29 11:32:54 AM  

soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk


He doesn't have nearly enough pouches.
img13.imageshack.us
This is what a superhero looks like
 
2012-08-29 11:33:19 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


It's not a SEAL's job to have self-awareness.

It's his job to go in, shoot anybody not wearing the same uniform he is, and accomplish the objective he was given.
 
2012-08-29 11:33:39 AM  
Way to put country first, douche.
 
2012-08-29 11:34:52 AM  

AmazinTim: Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?

To quote Marcus Luttrell, the SEAL who wrote Lone Survivor, "If you're in the government, you do everything you can; you talk, you negotiate, you debate, you do everything you can to keep me from going over there. But once I'm over there, turn your back and cover your eyes because I'm going to farking wreck shop."


I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is. I hope he also understands that if the enemy had the same advantages he would have come away from that fight with a lot less buddies and a lot humbler, if at all. Doesn't sound like he does. This is why we fail. The advantage will not always be ours.
 
2012-08-29 11:35:54 AM  

uber humper: What I thought was most disgusting about Obama's behavior was when he gave Jay-Z and Beyoncé tour of the situation room, right afterwards.


(March 6th, 2010) Music power couple Beyonce & Jay-Z got inside White House tour
(May 2, 2011) Bin Laden dead: Front pages of newspapers declare victory

You're a moran. or a troll
 
2012-08-29 11:36:17 AM  
Ironic thought: if he's telling the honest truth on stuff related to the mission that undercuts Obama (and it doesn't sound like anything mentioned yet really does other than just saying he and his buddies didn't really care for the President and thought he was going to ride this thing to reelection which isn't really mission related) he could be found guilty of leaking state secrets. If he's making up anything inflamatory in the book about the details of the raid there really isn't anything the government can do in response.

Again: still haven't seen where anything in the book is a bombshell other than if the initial shot hit bin Laden or not and him giving his personal opinion of the President which we might dispute but has no real significance as it pertains to the raid.

But really: if the book HAD said something explosive like "Obama attempted to call it off at the last minute because he said he didn't want a fellow Muslim but we went through with it anyway", what could the government do? As I understand it the dude is already discharged and Obama is a public figure which gives this guy virtual immunity on libel and slander.
 
2012-08-29 11:36:26 AM  
First off, I also concur with calling BS on this, and secondly, he's just looking for his bucket
 
2012-08-29 11:40:44 AM  
What's that word I'm looking for? Oh yea, "DUHHHHHHH"
 
2012-08-29 11:42:01 AM  
The difference between Obama and Dubya is that Dubya would have hosted the press conference in a SEAL uniform and would have constantly dropped (false) hints that he'd shot the guy himself.

As for Bin Laden, well, why would he even bother fighting back? He knew the guys in black were there to kill him, period. If the US "buried him at sea" just to get rid of the body, you can bet your ass that there were NO plans for OBL to be alive at the end of the operation. This was an assassination from the start.

I am disturbed at how many military people seem to be striking out at their CinC this election season. I wonder what's coloring their judgment this time around.
 
2012-08-29 11:42:13 AM  

angry_scientist: First off, I also concur with calling BS on this, and secondly, he's just looking for his bucket


Dude, he's a Seal, not a walrus
 
2012-08-29 11:42:29 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.

That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)


Who knows the extent to why public comments were said like this. Possibly it was to keep it quiet that in fact Osama was in the process of being hunted down. If you blab that you are in fact hunting for someone and they hear about it, they'll be more cautious and then it'll be harder to catch them.
 
2012-08-29 11:43:31 AM  

spacelord321: I joined the biggest, most heavily funded, technologically efficient, fighting force in the world. Obviously that means I'm a badass.


Have you ever met one of these guys? They aren't badass because of the service they joined - plenty of us joined the same service, and aren't nearly as hard core as they are. They are bad ass because they have an unbelievable willpower, ability to take the harshest of punishments and environments and still keep moving forward, and incredibly disciplined minds. If SF didn't exist, they'd likely be badass at something else.

I hope he understands the guys behind computers that set the whole thing up and made sure he knew the situation are just as bad ass as he is.

I've been behind those computers. I am proud of my service. We weren't nearly as badass as the operators on the ground.
 
2012-08-29 11:44:00 AM  
What's amusing to me is how, according to some people, if a leader (the president, for example) authorizes a military action and it fails, he gets almost all the blame (like the failed hostage rescue mission Jimmy Carter got the blame for in 1980), but if it succeeds, he's not supposed to get any credit for it.

Unless, of course, he dresses up in a flight suit and struts onto an aircraft carrier in front of a gigantic banner that says "Mission Accomplished." Then he's cool.

If the Bin Laden mission had failed, we'd still be hearing about how Obama farked it up and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Congress probably would have initiated treason charges against him or some ridiculous shiat like that.

I bet they hate him more for the success than they ever would have if it had failed. A failed mission they would have been able to use in their PR for decades. But a success? Worthless to them, politically.

Not that any of them has the balls to admit it.
 
2012-08-29 11:44:23 AM  

Uisce Beatha: SEAL ≠ soldier
SEAL = sailor

FFS


SEAL= just another human
 
2012-08-29 11:44:47 AM  

MythDragon: soy_bomb: [www.pjmedia.com image 500x729]
Obama killed Osama. Seal Team 6 was there just to observe and learn.

/Biden was piloting the stealth blackhawk

He doesn't have nearly enough pouches.
[img13.imageshack.us image 600x607]
This is what a superhero looks like


the feet are too big. too much definition in the toes.
 
2012-08-29 11:45:10 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: fireclown:

I'm not arguing that he didn't feel that way, I'm simply pointing out that particular quotation is fake. There are plenty of other actual, verifiable quotations from Bush that make the same point, but that one is completely fabricated


Agreed. As a regular submitter who gets stuff rejected all the time, it really frosts me to see fiction get a green light. That's setting a bad example.
 
2012-08-29 11:46:11 AM  

Maul555: I am just sad that they did not have enough time to shove his mouth full of raw bacon and lard, gag him with an american flag, and then shoot him in the head as he choked to death...


Don't forget the forced sodomy. A SEAL-raped enemy is a truly vanquished enemy.
 
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