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(Daily Mail)   SEAL Team Six member claims that contrary to reports, Bin Laden put up no fight. "In all of my deployments, we routinely saw this phenomenon. The higher up the food chain the targeted individual was, the bigger a pussy he was"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 266
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2012-08-29 08:26:17 AM
It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?
 
2012-08-29 09:10:43 AM
Mr. SEAL guy, you probably didn't give him much of an opportunity to fight back. One can get a bit confused and discombobulated when a couple of helicopters come dashing in at night like that, unleashing a couple dozen heavily trained and very well armed warriors who start murdering everyone with a hint of threat to them.

But then, that's the point, isn't it? Not a good plan if you give your enemy much time to think and react.
 
2012-08-29 09:29:52 AM
So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'


And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?
 
2012-08-29 09:45:26 AM

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him
 
2012-08-29 09:47:07 AM
Great Daily Fail article. I could barely make sense of it.
 
2012-08-29 09:48:46 AM
Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?
 
2012-08-29 09:49:19 AM

Icetech3: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

you mean like mission accomplished? yeah...

Anyway, i wouldn't care if he was holding a farking peace sign and 3 kittens in each arm... they did the right thing when they killed him


We were also secretly within a sovereign Islamic nation at the time. I would give them a pass for being a little squishy on the details of his death.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM
Dear SEAL Team 6 members:
Please kindly go back to doing your awesome job and STFU.
 
2012-08-29 09:49:50 AM
Pussy or not, Osama is dead and fish food, which I'm okay with.
 
2012-08-29 09:50:42 AM
I'd assume that the old dude with a bunch of medical problems wouldn't put up much of a fight. I'd also assume the SEALS had orders to kill OBL in cold blood if needed. If you take him prisoner you have the remains of al-Qaeda grabbing up every Westerner they can in an attempt to get hostages and force his release.

If anything the government might be lying about killing him onsite. Maybe he was taken alive, the CIA worked him over for info for a week or two and then they tossed him off the side of the Stennis. Although I'd tend to just assume they just shot the farker and figured they could get what they needed from his papers and computer.
 
2012-08-29 09:53:44 AM
No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.
 
2012-08-29 09:54:47 AM

farkityfarker: Am I the only one who's getting sick and tired of hearing about the Navy SEALs?


I'd like to hear more from the Brown SEALS.

yhsbiology.wikispaces.com

They don't think their enemies are pussies.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:03 AM
That article was obviously written by a non-english speaking 4th grader, and then run through google translater.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:05 AM
FTFA: "Biden was like 'someone's drunken uncle at a Christmas party'."

So, he told racist jokes and tried to start a fight after he got soused? And his sister had to calm him down before Dad punched his lights out?

Good times . . .
 
2012-08-29 09:56:41 AM
A book that is coming out just in time during a major election to discredit Obama on one of his biggest achievements as a leader? No, this doesn't smell at all. I am sure the book is 100% unbiased fact.
 
2012-08-29 09:56:44 AM
The SEAL doesn't seem realistic to me. It is not that leaders are pussies. it is that leaders expect to be treated like leaders or statesmen. You see, if Bin Laden was white and leading white people, the leaders of the enemy would be treated as respected politicians (like Slobodan Milosevic, or other white politicians have been treated by the USA in the past, when they promote genocide and terrorism).

I bet that what the SEAL member saw was the leadership of the other side, being surprised at the extent of racism. Bin Laden expected to be captured and treated like a military or political leader. Instead he was treated like non-whites throughout the history of European imperialism. Just another bunch of Hottentots and Aboriginees to be pacified.

I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?
 
2012-08-29 09:56:49 AM
Zero Dark Thirty,' directed by Oscar-winner Kathryn Bigelow will open December 19

After watching her fundamental lack of understanding just about anything related to military operations on display in The Hurt Locker, I think I'll pass. I can already see the SEAL team jumping out of a News Channel 4 helicopter armed with AKs chasing Bin Laden through a crowded market.
 
2012-08-29 09:57:59 AM
Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?
 
2012-08-29 10:00:26 AM

Lumpmoose: So this is the article:

Bin Laden apparently was hit in the head when he looked out of his bedroom door into the top-floor hallway of his compound as SEALs rushed up a narrow stairwell in his direction.
...
He said: 'We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots. BOP. BOP. I couldn't tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.'
...
Owen writes that as bin Laden lay dying, he and another commando 'trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless.'

And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to:

Bin Laden peered over the third floor ledge at the Americans advancing up the stairs, as a SEAL shot him once in the head. Bin Laden ducked back into his bedroom and the SEALs followed, only to find him crumpled on the floor in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head and two women wailing over his body. One of them, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, screamed at the SEALs in Arabic and motioned as if she were about to charge. One of the SEALs shot her in the leg, then grabbed both women and shoved them aside. The other SEALS shot bin Laden's still twitching body several times until he lay motionless.

Where's the discrepancy?


The only argument I've heard that it is significantly different is that the official report says the SEALs shot Osama when they saw he was alive because they believed he may have been attempting to reach for a weapon, and it ultimately turned out he was unarmed but had 2 guns hidden near the doorway. That's not conflicting though; the SEALs believing he was potentially armed could turn out to mean he was unarmed but believed to still be hostile, and haven't heard clarification if they believed he was trying to draw a weapon out of his clothes or trying to shift towards a certain area of the room where a weapon might be hidden. If this story was something like "Obama lied; we secured bin Laden alive and then placed two bullets in his head" or "one of the SEALs actually was shot and critically wounded on the mission, but he pulled through ok" it would be a big deal, but this all sounds fairly in line with the report.

BillCo, I'm curious: how would the Obama story differ from this ex-SEALs account to make for a better story? I would think "bin Laden was a scared little wussy boy like all terrorists are; we got him before he even saw it coming" would make for a much better PR story than "bin Laden tried to resist, but was no match for our boys on the ground"? Both accounts suggest he was likely mortally wounded by the initial headshot but was still alive afterwards, at which point the SEALs delivered the "double tap" as it were.

Just glad this isn't the "I'm a Hollywood screenwriter, but I was in the Navy during the Gulf War so I know the true story of the bin Laden raid" that came out earlier this year. This guy may be legit.
 
2012-08-29 10:00:49 AM
Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.

"Bring it on!", says the man looking for work.
 
2012-08-29 10:01:58 AM

greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.


QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.
 
2012-08-29 10:02:03 AM
Dear Seal Team Six,
If you ever find yourself in a fair fight,
Your Intel SUCKS!
 
2012-08-29 10:02:15 AM
Ehhh....I tried editing and still my post above came out wrong. I shouldn't try to have deep thoughts before lunchtime.
 
2012-08-29 10:03:16 AM
"When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment,"

English or GTFO!
 
2012-08-29 10:04:24 AM
Vice President Joe Biden is painted in a less flattering light. When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, he writes, Biden told 'lame jokes' no one understood, reminding him of 'someone's drunken uncle at Christmas dinner'.

How YOU doin?
 
2012-08-29 10:04:59 AM
Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
www.contraweb.org

It was not always true in others:
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-29 10:05:00 AM

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


That attitude comes directly from their leaders:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
 
2012-08-29 10:06:07 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Ah, yes, let's enrage half the world's population by calling their elders pussies.


Oh dear, we'd better not offend fundamentalist maniacs.

Anyway back on topic: I never actually heard about the White House retracting the account of the "armed bin Laden with a human shield" story. What's that quote again? "A lie can go halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on."

Also, you were an idiot if you believed the original account. Remember Saddam and his "spider hole"?
 
2012-08-29 10:07:01 AM
I find it very difficult to believe that the government didn't know that this was coming out.

I also wonder, given the previous, how much of the reason for this book's release is to tarnish some of the martyr "shine" OBL has garnered.

// glad the crazy fark is dead, nevertheless
 
2012-08-29 10:07:05 AM

Professczar: Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?


As you yourself pointed out, that intial assertion was corrected within a few days of the operation. The official government report of the incident is in line with the book. Someone might have gotten it wrong coming out the gate, but the administration's account is the same as what this SEAL is alleging.
 
2012-08-29 10:07:25 AM

lunchinlewis: "When they SEAL team him and Obama at the headquarters of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment,"

English or GTFO!


It sounds kinky.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:28 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02


That's not actually what Bush said.

"And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
is what it was.
 
2012-08-29 10:09:33 AM

Bennie Crabtree: I actually am very glad that the SEAL team killed Bin Laden. What I am annoyed with is the traditional double standard of the American State Department, that allows stuff like the Serbian genocide to occur because they coddle maniacs who have white enough skin, while they treat non-white terrorists appropriately. Doesn't the SEAL in this article have any self-awareness at all?


To quote Marcus Luttrell, the SEAL who wrote Lone Survivor, "If you're in the government, you do everything you can; you talk, you negotiate, you debate, you do everything you can to keep me from going over there. But once I'm over there, turn your back and cover your eyes because I'm going to farking wreck shop."
 
2012-08-29 10:10:41 AM

Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]


Holy shiat! Is that NARC?
 
2012-08-29 10:14:13 AM
This means that Jesse Ventura is automatically President and Obama has to clean the latrines on the USS Nimitz with a toothbrush,.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:25 AM

BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?


Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.
 
2012-08-29 10:14:59 AM
I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world
 
2012-08-29 10:15:56 AM
The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:05 AM

ha-ha-guy: I'd also assume the SEALS had orders to kill OBL in cold blood if needed


I read somewhere (can't remember where - I'm on the Internet all damn day) that their orders for that raid weren't couched in the usual "neutralize the target" type euphemisms. Instead, they said "Shoot him twice in the head at point-blank range."

No idea if this is true or not, but it is the kind of situation where you really don't want any ambiguity.
 
2012-08-29 10:16:43 AM

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


It's the fact that OBL was whacked by a black democrat which has got their knickers in a knot.
 
2012-08-29 10:17:24 AM

kim jong-un: The amazing thing about SEALs is the logistical and intelligence system that supports them.


I'd have gone with their gigantic brass balls, but logistics and intel are cool too I guess.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:06 AM

Bleyo: Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]

Holy shiat! Is that NARC?


Yes. Loved the violence in that game when it came out. The problem was that you needed a shiatload of lives to get past the final boss.

I also loved the 80s approach to drugs: the drug problem will be solved once we kill all the drug users.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:09 AM

calm like a bomb: BillCo: It's good to know that the White House didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. 

Obamarambo?

Oh, just farking go away. Nobody respects anything you have to say. Personally I think you're a sock puppet for a modmin, since you always post once at the beginning of a thread and then pussy out.


Hey I'm adding that to the list....

Currently we have......

"President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter", Hopey McChangeypants, Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Barackabeedoobeedoobeedo, Hussein-In-The-Membrane, Black Thunder, Dr. Utopia, Rainbow King, Obamarambo, Fartbongo, II"

AND

Presidential Canduhdate Mitt "The Shiat" Romney, Romneyhood, Ritz Cracka, Willard the Republitard, El Jefe Acartonado, Mitt-Hit-The-Fan, Milli Vanilli Romni, Papaya Vagina, Romman & Roybin, R-Money, Bain in the Ass, Weather Vane, Mitt and the Magic Tones, Nacho Romney, Fancy Cheesebag, Mighty Mormon Power Ranger, Romneygeddon, Oven Mitt, Mitt-Or-Get-Off-The-Pot, MITTLER!, Retch-A-Sketch, Counterfeit Bits, Willardo "Mitones" Romniguez, Comrade Romnev, MegaRom, Mitt-Outta-Luck, The Knights Who Say Rom NE, White Lightning, Mittriffic, Robama Obamney, Multiple Choice Mitt, Roof Doggy Dog, The Job Cremator, Dim Mitt, Rich "Uncle" Pennybags, Romnobongo



/and we're trolling for new submissions.
 
2012-08-29 10:18:52 AM
People who send other people to die for their cause while they stay at home are pussies!? You don't say. I always figured members of Congress who have never served in the military were way more badass than those pussy Marines.
 
2012-08-29 10:19:01 AM

Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world


Whoever leaked his actual name is the bigger dumbass. My friend was in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a unique last name, so they made him wear fake name tags to prevent his family from being targetted. The military takes this kind of thing seriously.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:17 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: I read somewhere (can't remember where - I'm on the Internet all damn day) that their orders for that raid weren't couched in the usual "neutralize the target" type euphemisms. Instead, they said "Shoot him twice in the head at point-blank range."


God, it must be confusing to be a Republican (and not saying you are). You have to believe simultaneously that the president is a wimpy, enemy appeasing apologizer who ordered the Seals to put two in Bin Laden's hat, and that both of these are bad. I don't think I could deal with that much brain whiplash.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:24 AM

Professczar: Lumpmoose: And this is Wikipedia, which would presumably be a pretty standard summary of the "reports" that subby is referring to: ...Where's the discrepancy?

Washington Post (May 3, 2011):

"The White House retreated Tuesday from its most provocative assertions about the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, acknowledging that the al-Qaeda leader was neither armed nor hiding behind a female "human shield" when U.S. commandos fatally shot him during a predawn raid."

...

"Carney made major changes to that account, saying that bin Laden's wife had "rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."


Do you understand how Wikipedia works?


May 3, 2011? The raid happened on May 2. So the book and/or subby is trying to milk a 24-hour discrepancy that occurred 15 months ago? That's fine: political points are political points. I just want to make sure that's what we're seeing here.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:33 AM

Rapmaster2000: Bleyo: Rapmaster2000: Speak for yourself. While that was the case in some deployments, like this one:
[www.contraweb.org image 400x350]

It was not always true in others:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x400]

Holy shiat! Is that NARC?

Yes. Loved the violence in that game when it came out. The problem was that you needed a shiatload of lives to get past the final boss.

I also loved the 80s approach to drugs: the drug problem will be solved once we kill all the drug users.


Yeah, I remember that was the first game I saw that had "gibs". Mr. Big was one of the toughest NES bosses ever.
 
2012-08-29 10:20:34 AM

Bleyo: Magorn: I'd take anything this guy says with a serious grain of salt. He's good enough to be on the elite SEAL team six, but too stupid to understand the documents he signed when getting his security clearance about anything he writes needing to be cleared in a pre-publication review? Though I dobt OBama would allow the DOJ to prosecute this guy, he basically just committed a federal felony that can get you up to ten years in jail, but, much more unforigvably may have risked exposing the other members of his "boat" to make a buck. Putting yourself before your team is an unforgiveable sin in the SEAL world

Whoever leaked his actual name is the bigger dumbass. My friend was in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a unique last name, so they made him wear fake name tags to prevent his family from being targetted. The military takes this kind of thing seriously.


Was this him?? (Had to be done)
www.gamerdna.com
 
2012-08-29 10:21:33 AM

hugram: greggm59: No matter how it happened, I'm just glad that the evil bastard got what he deserved. It's good knowing that his last moments were spent looking at the muzzle of a SEAL's weapon.

QFT...

What I still find puzzling is why certain people from the Right don't seem too happy that OBL is in fact dead.


What I find puzzling is how so many on the left seem to be okay with straight up murder when their guy is in office. And I don't just mean Osama but also the American cleric in Yemen who was given none of the rights provided for in the constitution.
 
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